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  1. Fin Fine then, i will go where my opinion is respected. Yes I will continue smashing my head on the stone floors of Durga, and it's none of your business either.
  2. Fin Fine then, i will go where my opinion is respected. Yes I will continue smashing my head on the stone floors of Durga, and it's none of your business either.
  3. I guess Guru Arjun Dev Ji was also influenced by the RSS when he wrote the following, let's just blame the RSS unanimously without doing vichar of bani and trying to understand it, seems like a good idea. Guru Arjun Dev is calling Sri Ram Chander and Sri Krishna as roop of Akal Purakh and both were avtar of Maha Vishnu as well. Better remove that Dev from Guru Ji's name too, it seems too RSS inspired. Ang 1082 Awpy sUrw Amru clwieAw ] (1082-1, mwrU, mÚ 5) aapay sooraa amar chalaa-i-aa. You Yourself are the hero, exerting Your regal power. Awpy isv vrqweIAnu AMqir Awpy sIqlu Twru gVw ]13] (1082-1, mwrU, mÚ 5) aapay siv //taa-ee-an antar aapay seetal thaar garhaa. ||13|| You Yourself spread peace within; You are cool and icy calm. ||13|| ijsih invwjy gurmuiK swjy ] (1082-2, mwrU, mÚ 5) jisahi nivaajay gurmukh saajay. One whom You bless and make Gurmukh nwmu vsY iqsu Anhd vwjy ] (1082-2, mwrU, mÚ 5) naam vasai tis anhad vaajay. - the Naam abides within him, and the unstruck sound current vibrates for him. iqs hI suKu iqs hI TkurweI iqsih n AwvY jmu nyVw ]14] (1082-2, mwrU, mÚ 5) tis hee sukh tis hee thakuraa-ee tiseh na aavai jam nayrhaa. ||14|| He is peaceful, and he is the master of all; the Messenger of Death does not even approach him. ||14|| kImiq kwgd khI n jweI ] (1082-3, mwrU, mÚ 5) keemat kaagad kahee na jaa-ee. His value cannot be described on paper. khu nwnk byAMq gusweI ] (1082-3, mwrU, mÚ 5) kaho naanak bay-ant gusaa-ee. Says Nanak, the Lord of the world is infinite. Awid miD AMiq pRBu soeI hwiQ iqsY kY nybyVw ]15] (1082-3, mwrU, mÚ 5) aad maDh ant parabh so-ee haath tisai kai naybayrhaa. ||15|| In the beginning, in the middle and in the end, God exists. Judgement is in His Hands alone. ||15|| iqsih srIku nwhI ry koeI ] (1082-4, mwrU, mÚ 5) tiseh sareek naahee ray ko-ee. No one is equal to Him. iks hI buqY jbwbu n hoeI ] (1082-4, mwrU, mÚ 5) kis hee butai jabaab na ho-ee. No one can stand up against Him by any means. nwnk kw pRBu Awpy Awpy kir kir vyKY coj KVw ]16]1]10] (1082-5, mwrU, mÚ 5) naanak kaa parabh aapay aapay kar kar vaykhai choj kharhaa. ||16||1||10|| Nanak's God is Himself all-in-all. He creates and stages and watches His wondrous plays. ||16||1||10|| mwrU mhlw 5 ] (1082-5) maaroo mehlaa 5. Maaroo, Fifth Mehl: Acuq pwrbRhm prmysur AMqrjwmI ] (1082-6, mwrU, mÚ 5) achut paarbarahm parmaysur antarjaamee. The Supreme Lord God is imperishable, the Transcendent Lord, the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts. mDusUdn dwmodr suAwmI ] (1082-6, mwrU, mÚ 5) maDhusoodan daamodar su-aamee. He is the Slayer of demons, our Supreme Lord and Master. irKIkys govrDn DwrI murlI mnohr hir rMgw ]1] (1082-6, mwrU, mÚ 5) rikheekays govarDhan Dhaaree murlee manohar har rangaa. ||1|| The Supreme Rishi, the Master of the sensory organs, the uplifter of mountains, the joyful Lord playing His enticing flute. ||1|| mohn mwDv ik®s˜ murwry ] (1082-7, mwrU, mÚ 5) mohan maaDhav krisan muraaray. The Enticer of Hearts, the Lord of wealth, Krishna, the Enemy of ego. jgdIsur hir jIau Asur sMGwry ] (1082-7, mwrU, mÚ 5) jagdeesur har jee-o asur sanghaaray. The Lord of the Universe, the Dear Lord, the Destroyer of demons. jgjIvn AibnwsI Twkur Gt Gt vwsI hY sMgw ]2] (1082-7, mwrU, mÚ 5) jagjeevan abhinaasee thaakur ghat ghat vaasee hai sangaa. ||2|| The Life of the World, our eternal and ever-stable Lord and Master dwells within each and every heart, and is always with us. ||2|| DrxIDr eIs nrisMG nwrwiex ] (1082-8, mwrU, mÚ 5) DharneeDhar ees narsingh naaraa-in. The Support of the Earth, the man-lion, the Supreme Lord God. dwVw AgRy ipRQim Drwiex ] (1082-8, mwrU, mÚ 5) daarhaa agray paritham Dharaa-in. The Protector who tears apart demons with His teeth, the Upholder of the earth. bwvn rUpu kIAw quDu krqy sB hI syqI hY cMgw ]3] (1082-9, mwrU, mÚ 5) baavan roop kee-aa tuDh kartay sabh hee saytee hai changa. ||3|| O Creator, You assumed the form of the pygmy to humble the demons; You are the Lord God of all. ||3|| sRI rwmcMd ijsu rUpu n ryiKAw ] (1082-9, mwrU, mÚ 5) saree raamchand jis roop na raykh-i-aa. You are the Great Raam Chand, who has no form or feature. bnvwlI ck®pwix dris AnUipAw ] (1082-10, mwrU, mÚ 5) banvaalee chakarpaan daras anoopi-aa. Adorned with flowers, holding the chakra in Your hand, Your form is incomparably beautiful. shs nyqR mUriq hY shsw ieku dwqw sB hY mMgw ]4] (1082-10, mwrU, mÚ 5) sahas naytar moorat hai sahsaa ik daataa sabh hai mangaa. ||4|| You have thousands of eyes, and thousands of forms. You alone are the Giver, and all are beggars of You. ||4|| Bgiq vClu AnwQh nwQy ] (1082-11, mwrU, mÚ 5) bhagat vachhal anaathah naathay. You are the Lover of Your devotees, the Master of the masterless. gopI nwQu sgl hY swQy ] (1082-11, mwrU, mÚ 5) gopee naath sagal hai saathay. The Lord and Master of the milk-maids, You are the companion of all. bwsudyv inrMjn dwqy brin n swkau gux AMgw ]5] (1082-11, mwrU, mÚ 5) baasudayv niranjan daatay baran na saaka-o gun angaa. ||5|| O Lord, Immacuate Great Giver, I cannot describe even an iota of Your Glorious Virtues. ||5|| mukMd mnohr lKmI nwrwiex ] (1082-12, mwrU, mÚ 5) mukand manohar lakhmee naaraa-in. Liberator, Enticing Lord, Lord of Lakshmi, Supreme Lord God. dRopqI ljw invwir auDwrx ] (1082-12, mwrU, mÚ 5) daropatee lajaa nivaar uDhaaran. Savior of Dropadi's honor. kmlwkMq krih kMqUhl And ibnodI inhsMgw ]6] (1082-12, mwrU, mÚ 5) kamlaakant karahi kantoohal anad binodee nihsangaa. ||6|| Lord of Maya, miracle-worker, absorbed in delightful play, unattached. ||6|| AmoG drsn AwjUnI sMBau ] (1082-13, mwrU, mÚ 5) amogh darsan aajoonee sambha-o. The Blessed Vision of His Darshan is fruitful and rewarding; He is not born, He is self-existent. Akwl mUriq ijsu kdy nwhI Kau ] (1082-13, mwrU, mÚ 5) akaal moorat jis kaday naahee kha-o. His form is undying; it is never destroyed. AibnwsI Aibgq Agocr sBu ikCu quJ hI hY lgw ]7] (1082-14, mwrU, mÚ 5) abhinaasee abigat agochar sabh kichh tujh hee hai lagaa. ||7|| O imperishable, eternal, unfathomable Lord, everything is attached to You. ||7|| sRIrMg bYkuMT ky vwsI ] (1082-14, mwrU, mÚ 5) sareerang baikunth kay vaasee. The Lover of greatness, who dwells in heaven. mCu kCu kUrmu AwigAw AauqrwsI ] (1082-15, mwrU, mÚ 5) machh kachh kooram aagi-aa a-utraasee. By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise. kysv clq krih inrwly kIqw loVih so hoiegw ]8] (1082-15, mwrU, mÚ 5) kaysav chalat karahi niraalay keetaa lorheh so ho-igaa. ||8|| The Lord of beauteous hair, the Worker of miraculous deeds, whatever He wishes, comes to pass. ||8|| inrwhwrI inrvYru smwieAw ] (1082-16, mwrU, mÚ 5) niraahaaree nirvair samaa-i-aa. He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading. Dwir Kylu cqurBuju khwieAw ] (1082-16, mwrU, mÚ 5) Dhaar khayl chaturbhuj kahaa-i-aa. He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord. swvl suMdr rUp bxwvih byxu sunq sB mohYgw ]9] (1082-16, mwrU, mÚ 5) saaval sundar roop banaaveh bayn sunat sabh mohaigaa. ||9|| He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. ||9|| bnmwlw ibBUKn kml nYn ] (1082-17, mwrU, mÚ 5) banmaalaa bibhookhan kamal nain. He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes. suMdr kuMfl mukt bYn ] (1082-17, mwrU, mÚ 5) sundar kundal mukat bain. His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful. sMK ck® gdw hY DwrI mhw swrQI sqsMgw ]10] (1082-17, mwrU, mÚ 5) sankh chakar gadaa hai Dhaaree mahaa saarthee satsangaa. ||10|| He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10|| pIq pIqMbr iqRBvx DxI ] (1082-18, mwrU, mÚ 5) peet peetambar taribhavan Dhanee. The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds. jgMnwQu gopwlu muiK BxI ] (1082-18, mwrU, mÚ 5) jagannaath gopaal mukh bhanee. The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name. swirMgDr Bgvwn bITulw mY gxq n AwvY srbMgw ]11] (1082-18, mwrU, mÚ 5) saaringDhar bhagvaan beethulaa mai ganat na aavai sarbangaa. ||11|| The Archer who draws the bow, the Beloved Lord God; I cannot count all His limbs. ||11|| inhkMtku inhkyvlu khIAY ] (1082-19, mwrU, mÚ 5) nihkantak nihkayval kahee-ai. He is said to be free of anguish, and absolutely immaculate. DnµjY jil Qil hY mhIAY ] (1082-19, mwrU, mÚ 5) Dhananjai jal thal hai mahee-ai. The Lord of prosperity, pervading the water, the land and the sky.
  4. Oh my God now I'm an "RSS agent." Wow what a great way to completely defuse someone's argument when they have been providing proof straight from the Gurbani as well. You guys are pathetic. I guess Bhat Kal Ji must have been "paid" by the RSS when he wrote these lines in Guru Granth Sahib: "Nanak enjoyed the Rajyog as in -his heart dwelt the Peerless Lord. He saved the whole world, dwelling upon His Name alone. Sanak and Janak sung his praises, coyntless did alike, throughout ages, Blessed is Guru Nanak, who took Avtar in human form, and came to earth. Says Kal the poet, "His victory was hailed all over the earth" And it echoed in the underworld as well. O, Guru Nanak! You are blessed by the Lord, as He lovingly, dwells in you.(6) During Satyug, you enjoyed the state of Rajyog, When you overpowered Bali by becoming a dwarf, During Treta Yug you were named Rama the king of Raghu clan During Duapar Yug you were known as Krishna who liberated Kansa You granted the kingdom to Ugrasena and blest your lovers with fearlessness. During Kalyug you were called Nanak, Angad and Amardas, Everlasting and static is your rule, As this is the will of the Eternal Lord. Adi Granth p.1390"
  5. That is incorrect, When Akal first created anything, it was Ad Shakti Durga, and the 3 chale that are 'parvaan' aka Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. Akal himself is Nirankar, meaning no form at all, or Formless, when he projected Shakti forward Durga and the 3 Dev emerged, Durga took avtar in 3 forms as Shakti to become Saraswati, Laxmi, and Parvati. Akal Purakh himself has no Form, which is also discussed in Jaap Sahib, at best this formlessness is described as "prakash" or a Light. Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, along with Durga are Akal Purakhs arms in sargun form that manages Akal's Creation: Brahma creates as per hukum, Shiva destroys as per hukum, and Vishnu sustains and cares for as per Akali hukum. They were born with haumai but were also the first in existence to transcend Haumai and become Brahm Gyani, that is why they are the "tin chalay parvaan" or approved 3 Sikhs of Akal. Shiva was the first one to transcend EGO, which is why he is also called MahaDev, like when a human aka purash becomes Brahm Gyan, that purash is called a Maha-Purash, when the Dev became as such they eventually became Maha-Devs. Vishnu, Brahma, and Shiva through their own bhagti on Akal became Akali and act in Akal's Hukum. Maya is defined as that which distracts one from inner spirituality, Maya is defined as Kam, Krodh, Moh, Lobh, and Hankar; not Brahma Vishnu and Shiva who are creating, sustaining, and destroying the Universe as per hukum, they are not involved in increasing anyone's Kam krodh, that is your own Karma, your own self created Maya. The Dev have always done their best to help humanity realize what they themselves realized long ago, which is Akal Purakh. The opposite to Devta is Daint, or Demon, or those with demon like mindsets, minds who rather spend time in Kam, Krodh rather than spiritual enlightenment and who encourage others in to controversy and the same. This is one of the reasons why we call Guru Nanak as Guru Nanak DEV, and not Guru Nanak DAINT. Guru Nanak's true identity is also written in Guru Granth Sahib by Bhat Kalsar (Bhat Kal), Guru Nanak has been taking avtar in various forms throughout the Yugs to help humanity, you just did not recognize who he was behind the disguise or avtar. That is why we say that the Guru is "Yugo Yugo Atal," ie present in all Yugs: Sat, Treta, Dwapr, and Kal.
  6. No, you are very closed minded. You have this interpretation of Sikhism which you think is the only right one and are unwilling to accept anything different although the proof is presented right in the Granth Sahib to which you bow to. Today's Sikh is no Sikh, they are self-proclaimed Gurus who already know everything.
  7. The Skandinavian Book of Edda states that the Jutes/Geats/Gots were Jatts of North India, as stated and translated by James Todd, not me.
  8. I am having an honest debate here, I have provided a rebuttal to their points at the end of page 2, it would be nice if they can try and refute it with some sort of concrete logic or proof. I have done my best to provide a logical reason as to why Jeona Maur was a devotee of Naina Devi.
  9. The SGPC has been feeding you their version of Sikhism since the 1920s, that's almost a 100 years of populace brainwashing, their lies seem like Truth now since they have been repeated for the past 100 years. So the SIkh Gurus were created by Akal Purakh just as Durga was, why do you bow down to them and not Durga? Be consistent then, stop bowing to a "creation of the Creator" and bow only to the Creator? This stand against Durga is not from our Guru, it is from parchariks, preachers with an agenda to divide thecommunity so that they remain in control and in power, it is no wonder that the SGPC still exists today. What did your Badals do when Guru Granth Sahib was being desecrated in the streets? Their institution is the same one that sends out preachers to preach against Durga and Devtas, Sikhism today has become more about maligning them than anything else. Why do you accept the interpretations of secondary and tertiary sources like these preachers? secondary and tertiary accounts can be twisted and misinterpreted, why not go straight to the Source, the Primary Source, Guru Granth Sahib and the Dharam Granths? Quote: "Gur Isar Gur Gorakh Brahma Gur Parvati Mai" Direct Translation: The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Gorakh Nath, Brahma is the Guru, Parvati Mother (aka Durga) is Guru. Quote: "Eka Mai Jugat Vai tin chele Parvaan Ik sansari ik bhandari ik lai diban." Translation: Eka Mai=Durga; jugat Vai=married to the Universe, tin chale parvaan=to the three approved sikhs or chaylas; ik sansari=Brahma the cosmic creator; ik Bhandari=Vishnu the sustainer, ik lai diban=Shiva the destroyer. Durga manifested as Mata Saraswati, Mata Laxmi, and Mata Parvati and married the 3 approved chayla of Akal who manage the universe under Akal's command. They carry the jot of Akal, and are the same as him, just like we say for the Sikh Gurus of Kal yug. Sure Akal created these beings, but he created the Gurus as well, you worship Akal through the Guru, through those who are approved by Him, and these approved beings worthy of stature as Guru have been listed in above quotes straight from the Jap Ji Sahib written solely by Guru Nanak Dev. It is funny because tomorow people with your mindset are even going to start removing Dev from the Guru's names, because it refers to Devta and is too "Hindu." Tomorrow you are going to change Guru Har Krishan Ji's name as well, because it refers to Sri Krishna and his Gurmantar of Har Har, again because it's too "Hindu," a distinction that never existed in the Guru's time but has become exaggerated in our time. There is no Sikh or Hindu, there is only Gyan. Gyan is what makes you a true Sikh.
  10. Sikhs today can't even tell you who was the first Jathedar of Akal Takhat since the Khalsa Panth was established in 1699. They can probably tell you who was the first president of the United States, the first Prime Minister of England, the first Prime Minister of India, but they couldn't tell you who was the first Jathedar of Akal Takhat in 1699. It's because this history as well as Pooja of Durga has been suppressed by the 1920's British created SGPC. You are following an altered, dulled down version of Sikhism edited and cut by the British Imperial Crown. Yes Guru Gobind Singh was a kattar (fanatic) poojari of Durga/Kali Ma, and if he were here today he would reinforce this unto you. He himself wrote the Chandi Charitr and Chandi Di Vaar in Dasam Granth. Not only there, but Durga is praised over 700 times in various parts of Dasam Granth. the Ardas begins with Durga, because Shakti is the first thing that Akal created in the Universe, and Durga is Shakti, she is "pritham" the first to be created: "Ekh-oonkaar Vaaheguroo jee kee Fat'eh. Sree Bhagautee jee Sahaa-e. Vaar Sree Bhagautee jee kee Paat'shaahee D'assveen Pritham Bhagat'ee simar kaae Guroo Nanak laeen' D'hiaa-ae." Bhagauti refers to Durga, its one of her many names, she is also called Parvati, Kali Ma, Bhavani, Chandi, etc. The Sword, Khanda is also considered a physical manifestation of Shakti/Durga. "Khanda Pritham Saj kai, jin Sabh Saisaar upaaiaa"- Chandi Di Vaar. Again referencing Durga via the Khanda. Don't blame me for trying to "rewrite Sikhism," it's already been done by foreign Imperial and greedy forces with the help of traitors that look like you and talk like you, so you can believe them more easily. The British stayed in India for about 200 years, do you think they were sipping tea the entire time?
  11. The Macedonians aren't the only ones that the Jatts had defeated in ancient history, The lands of Jutland, Geatland (pronounced Yeatland), and Gotland were all established by the Jatt race in Northern Europe. Jatt is pronounced Jut as well as Yut, Jaat, or Yaat. Sometimes in North Indian language the "J" is pronounced as a "Y." That is why there is a Jutland and Geatland, which is Jutland pronounced with a "Y" instead, both land masses are Original Jatt Territories. Gotland is a more Swedish origin pronunciation of Jatt, but was established by the Geats, aka Jatts. Odin was a Surya Vanshi Jatt of the Asir clan who had defeated Ysgramor of North Europe. He established Asgard in North Europe, "As" refers to Asir Clan, "Gard" is a native North Indian Jatt word, also spelled "Garh" which means Fort, or Kila. the "rh" is pronounced as a "D" so it can also be spelled as "Gard." Asgard therefore means Fort of the Asir, aka Odin. Odin was the one that gave Scandinavia its name, he named the land mass after Skanda, Shiva's eldest son, and according to the Puranas the first Overall General of the Jatt Race in the Sat Yug in Northern India was Skanda. Skandinavia, therefore likely means Realm of Skanda. Shiva is also accredited according to the Vedas of forming the first Jatt being, aka Veera Bhadra, a powerful warrior created from the Hair of Shiva. Jatt in sanskrit means Hair. Shiva created the first Jatt in order to establish revenge for Sati (an avtar of Durga Devi) by killing her Father Daksha, on whose account Sati immolated herself in fire, taking her life. Veera Bhadra fought all Devas in order to finally kill Daksha by beheading him. Jatts get their name from their origin from the Jatta of Shiva. Other Dev also created Jatts, like Agni Dev, Chandra Dev, Naga Dev, and Surya Dev, that is why you have 4 major Kshatriya dynasties: Surya, Chandra, Naga, and Agni. but Shiva had created the first one it seems, Jatts are therefore the founders and cornerstone of the Kshatriya Varna, and all other jatees in this Varna originate from the Jatt, whether its Rajput, Khatri, Marhatta, or Gujjar. These were later further defined based on geographical location and occupation, ie Rajasthan Jatts were known as Rajput, Jatts doing vaisya caste (bania caste) work in the cities were known as Khatris, cow herding Jatts as Gujjars, etc. those that stayed on their ancestral land inheritances likely retained the title of Jatt. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Mother's name is Mata Gujari, likely a nod to the Gujjar division of Jatts, whose language is specifically also called Gujari. like how Jaats in Haryana speak the language called Haryanvi. Odin also likely founded Asirya, as it being named right after his Asir Jatt clan, just like Asgard in North Europe, as well as Iran, which refers to Aryan, and according to the Vedas only the High caste Brahmin and Kshatriya Varnas are Aryan races, aka noble races within the 4 caste Varna system defined in the Manu Simriti. here's a neat video regarding the Jatt Race's first manifestation: Naina Devi Mandir, where Jeona Maur would go, was where the eyes of Sati fell, also stated toward the end of the video; Sati is an avtar of Durga Devi, hence the place's name of Naina Devi, or the Eyes of Durga, in turn who is the Mother of the Universe and Akal Purakh's manifestation of pure Shakti. Whom Guru Gobind Singh Ji refers to as "Jagat Mata" ie Mother of Universe.
  12. Another very famous Maur Jatt is Chandra Gupta Maurya, who founded the Mauryan Empire which stretched from Tibet to the East, like Maharaja Ranjit Singh, but this time it strecthed even further west way past Kabul into Persia, Europe, and Greece. Chandra Gupta Maurya defeated the Persians and Macedonians in their own lands as well. The Maurs are Powerful Jatt Warriors. ^^^^Chandra Gupta Maurya/Maur/Mor some people are saying this is Jeona Maur's original photograph. you can verify that independently.
  13. Ok here's the actual history and low down, as unbiased as it can get, from the perceptions of modern day "Sikhi" aka Neo-Sikhism which has been heavily influenced by the British and their established agency and puppet government of the SGPC dal, which still functions today under the Badals, Sukbir and Prakash Badal. Jatt Jeona Mor was a Maur/Mor Clan Jatt of the Punjab region, undivided, aka Akhand Punjab before pakistan, Haryana, and himachal pradesh were dissected out by governments and politicians, aka the Badals, SGPC and others. Jeona was following traditional and original form of Sikhi before it was changed by the SGPC and the British, they changed it in order to affect our unity against thier rule and cause us to be fragmented, infight and eventually ineffective against them as we fight among ourselves. The SGPC primarily attacks "Devi Pooja" and says that Sikhs shouldnt do "Devi pooja" what Jeona was doing. In reality, Our Gurus themselves were Poojaris of Devi Durga, aka Naina Devi, Kali Ma. They are mentioned many times in Nit Nem as well as Dasam Granth. Devi is called as "Jagat Mata" by Guru Gobind Singh, and he was a firm poojari of Devi Ma, she is Akal Purakh's Shakti Form, and is worshipped as such by the Sikh Gurus and past Avtars. Jeona was still following Sikhi's original Form before it was changed by the British. There are many proofs of Sikhism original span in Guru Granth Sahib, Dasam Granth, and Sarbloh Granth Sahib. Sikhism did not start in 1469 with Guru Nanak, it has been going on since Satya Yug (Aad Sach, Jugaad Sach, Hai Bhi Sach, Nanak hosi bhi sach." avtar of Guru Nanak is 1469 but Sikhi has existed since Shiva, Brahma, and Vishnu were created as Arch Angels by Akal Purakh. These 3 are also Akal Purakh's first 3 Sikhs, or Shishyas, or "Chaylas." as is described in Jap Ji Sahib by Guru Nanak himself. Our people lost the ancient arts and concepts of "Sikhi" overtime and it had to be revitalized by Guru Nanak and the subsequent Sikh Gurus. Hindu also is not a religious definition, it is a nationality definition, it means a native of Hind, ie a Hindu. like a person of America is American, of Britain is British, of Punjab is Punjabi, of Rajasthan is Rajasthani, of Hind is therefore Hindu. Hind is the total Land mass of the smaller Land masses of North India:Punjab, Rajasthan, Bihar, UP, etc etc The word Hind itself is a conjugation of Himalaya and Bindu Sarovar (the Vedic Name for Arabian Sea), the land that stretches from the Himalayas in the Northeast to the Arabaian Sea (bindu sarovar) in the west is therefore Hind, and a native of Hind is hence a Hindu. So Sikhism is a native relgion of the defined Land region of Hind, and is hence a native Hindu religion. Not American, not Arabian, not Lebanese, etc etc. The British called Hind as India, naming the Land mass after the largest western river, the Indus, but the Land's original names according to the Vedas is either Hind, Arya Vart, or Bharat, with corresponding nationalities being Hindu, Aryan, or Bharati. So Sikhism is a native Hindu religion, or you can say a native Aryan religion, or native Bharati religion. Just like Jainism and Buddhism, they all originated in Hind. The higher castes of the Varna system are the actual vedic Aryan races: ie native north Indian Brahmin and Kshatriyas, the Kshatriya Varna is further divded into jatees which are Jatts/Jaats, Gujjars, Rajput, Khatris, and 96 clan Marhattas, and in total they fall under 4 major dynasities, depending on Gotra/Surname: Solar, Lunar, Snake, and Fire (Surya Vansh, Chandra Vansh, Naga Vansh, and Agni Vansh).