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Lol! That is so weak and down right untrue. Anyway I have been told it was reviewed by Derby Gurughar. He had finished the point and had moved on to another topic. The video has been put up on youtube. All the other speakers spoke of the need to tackle the issue of caste, as it is a problem within our community. He said "caste will end with time (implying we don't need to get involved.) Time always changes things. The same water that comes out of the tap in our houses is the same water that is in our homes in our toilets. You are all knowledgable have you ever drank water out of the toilet?? Because it is a matter of quality. When people will change their habits and obtain 'ghun' then others will start liking them!!!!!! And then caste will end!!!!!!!!! Implying that people of lower social status are without ghun and unliked!!!! Bhai Joga Singh made an excellent speech. Following this the other speaks talks utter rubbish. I have just been informed they are reviewing what happened and having a follow up show this Sunday where the person has been asked to clarify what he meant. This will be interesting. Especially as I have since heard this has not been the first time he has used this example when informing someone that so called 'lower class' people are beneath him. I have also been told that three people have witnessed him saying the exact same thing previously. Here's the video http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XgexN81z2Sg Follow up show Sunday 4th May at 16.00 from Derby Gurdwara. Respect to Sangat Tv for bringing this issue up after reviewing their position. I don't think the guy will clear his position on Sunday because how can he? I think if the issue is not cleared anti discrimination groups should take up the issue with full vigour. A Singh from kesri Lehar just came on Venus tv and absolutely slated the kempston gurdwara speaker for his views. Will upload soon. Said totally against sikhi and rajoana sohchi which he stands up for.

I think all right minded Sikhs are now waiting for all those community elders and organisation members present on that sad day at Derby Gurdwara to distance themselves from this persons comments and behaviour. Inside closed doors a person may do as they please within reason and harbour whichever views he or she wishes. But to say such shocking, harmful, evil words in the presence of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the sangat is unacceptable. I think if the leaders are serious about following the Gurus teachings, protecting our image, setting the right example to the next generation then this should be referred to the Akal Takhat for them to make a decision on, such is the gravity of what happened. This would send out the signal that we do not adhere to mere words but those words speak through our actions. I think this is a landmark event. Nothing of this type has ever happened before from a U.K Gurdwara stage or indeed probably a Gurdwara stage anywhere. This will also prove to our brothers and sisters who feel alienated because of such people that we are not all the same. It will be interesting to see what step is now taken.

Worst thing was: The head of the Sikh Council, the Punjab Times owner, the head of the AKJ, the management of Derby Gurdwara and numerous other leaders shared the Derby Gurdwara stage with this guy and were there when it happened and not one of them spoke up or asked him to stop!!!!! Sad day for Sikhism, it will be interesting to see if they condemn his language, ban him from future stage time or distance themselves from his views in the coming days. If they don't I think they will bring further shame on themselves and their groups.

I was quite shocked last night when I watched a programme called Derby Q & A on Sangat television. There were some really good points made by the panel and some of the speakers at Derby Gurdwara. Then with a couple of minutes to go a guy comes on with a white beard aged about 60 called bhai sucha. He goes on to compare so called lower caste people to toilet water and then says ' do you drink water from the toilet or the tap? why do you drink it from the tap? if they start improving their qualities then people will start liking them!!' I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He ruined all the good points Joga Singh had made before him. It is 2014 for Gods sake and we are still letting guys like this on Gurdwara stages!!! Even the BNP have toned down their language compared to this fascist!! Sangat Tv need to explain who this Singh was speaking on behalf of because he doesn't represent the views of the Gursikhs I have met. Some people have said he was representing AKJ who had a samagam after, whilst others are saying he is a pardhan from Kempston Gurdwara. Either way shame on him for disgracing Sikhi live on tv all over the U.K & Europe! He should apologise on air and explain they are his own views and not that of Sikhs, Gurudwaras, Sangat TV, the AKJ or whoever.