Ranjeet01

Leicester has a very large Gujurati community (both Hindu and Muslim) The muslims were probably likely Gujju muslims. If it were Pakistani muslims I suspect it would have been a different story.

The Pakistanis are a menace in Turkey as well. They perv over Turkish muslim women.

There is only one true sovereign.

It is the padhe likheh - non padhe likhe divide. Education has far bigger impact in Punjab in terms of social class. It is what I find triggers a lot of our people. I made a joke to a guy from Hoshiarpur saying that it should be re-name Befkoofpur and he then got offended and starts to mention that it is the most educated tehsil. An observation I have noticed particularly with our diaspora in North America is that if a Punjabi/Sikh migrant becomes pakkah and he gets married, his bride is typically more educated than he is. This is anecdotal but I know of friends who live in the US and this guy's wife is more educated than he is. And he has children who are quite intellectual and academic as well and he finds it quite difficult to relate to them. He does his best but I get the feeling that he feels left behind.

The more recent student migrants are not liked by the older migrants of Keneda. I have a relative who went "study based" and they mentioned that even in the gurdwaras that the older migrants do not know why these "students " are in Keneda and they should go back to Punjab. This is a gurdwara in Surrey. You cannot get more Sikh or theth Punjabi than Surrey BC (more so than in Punjab) There is more open disgust there than what is compared to the UK. I suspect the UK recent migrant acts differently is because the UK recent migrant does not look at the established UK Sikh population in the same way. They do not consider us as Sikh or even a fellow Punjabi. They look at us as Westerners, they largely do not distinguish us with the indigenous whites. However, the bulk of Keneda population is probably 20 years more established and the differences are far less and there is more similarities. So coming to somewhere like Surrey or Brampton there is less need to integrate and be on guard so they are more like themselves.

I remember in the early 2000's Australia was all the rage and you never heard about Keneda. Then Australia dried up their student visas and Keneda opened up their student visas. I think that even though both are Anglo countries, our people in general prefer Keneda over Australia. Though Australia had their fair share of the putteh kam by these "hard working students" What happens when all the Anglo countries dry up their student visas, where will these students go?

Yes they are "students".

Our people need to moisturise their feet. Particularly around the heels as that is where the cracks are.lol

If India will unravel, it would probably be through Punjab which is why the Central Government will never give up. If you saw what happened with the Kisan protests, the farmers of Tamil Nadu protested for several years and it fell on deaf ears. It was only until Punjab got involved that you saw real action. That is why we Sikhs are a threat ,because we have a knack of galvanising and organising in a way no body else in the subcontinent can. It was only after the Kisan convoy came from Punjab that the other states followed suit. We may think that the Government of India is a threat to our survival but the opposite is also true. The Government of India and all the apparatus sees us Sikhs as threat to their survival. I think the only thing that might bring the Hindu Hindu Hindustan is the threat of external aggressor, but you might have the rise of regional parties in India.

The world has had bigger countries broken into smaller countries. The USSR is now 15 countries, Yugoslavia is now 6-7 countries. Czechoslavakia now 2 countries. Sudan, Eritrea, East Timor. Pakistan and Bangladesh became 2 countries. Scotland wants independence and there are numerous other independence movements. All those smaller countries in Europe are part of NATO.

If we had a Sikh state and we offered the Afghan and Pakistani Sikhs emigration, how many would come?

No actually that is not necessarily true. It maybe true in some cases but not in all. I have been involved in questionnaires with thousands of Sikhs over the years and with petitions, we are a mixed bag but overwhelming pro Sikh. The silent majority of the least religious Sikhs are pro Sikh for the most part.

Don't take a few snippets of social media and think that this some how represent most Sikhs when it does not. This is a very scewed misinterpretation of a tiny minority whose voice gets amplified.

Better to have a horseshyte country with barn yard dancing than wait for some utopia that will never come.

Who cares about deep rooted this and deep rooted that. There is no perfect society. Let's just have our own country.

This whole conversation and many of it's facets boils to one conclusion. We need our own political state because ultimately we need power over our own affairs. If we have power, then we can leverage it for our own self interest. The problem we have is that we are good at leveraging power at an micro individual level but not at a macro collective level. I mentioned the word self-interest here but this is a dirty word for our Sikh psyche because our collective mentality is to be selfless and vand the power with non Sikhs. Our problems (going to sound controversial )are grounded in our skewed Sikh values and principals.

I thought about this and I think it is our concept of Seva and shaheedi taken to the extreme. The concept of selflessness skewed to the extreme where you put everyone else before yourself. The concept of sacrifice taken to the extreme because our Guru Teg Bahadur sacrificed and put Hindus before his own life. So our people have followed the Guru's way. The Bhai Khanaiya syndrome as well has not helped. I think we see these things as unconditional rather than with caveats.

If I am correct, Paul Chowdry was born in 1974, so in the 80's he was not a man but a kid. The title is a bit of a misnomer.

A lot of people want to go for names that no one else has so they are "unique" There are also people who want short names so they cannot be shortened.

I am not necessarily talking about Saints but more like ordinary everyday people who would typically be Satyugi type people. These types of people might be completely unaware of what they are but find themselves out of sorts in the type of society we live in. I sometimes get the feeling that Maharaj's hukam works paradoxically in some cases as well as linearly and cyclically. It must be some kind of test to see how these Satyugi types cope in a scenario in which they would typically struggle in. Conversely for all we know there may have been Kalyugi types in Satyug era. These are just my thoughts.

I don't know about this trans stuff, but I truly believe that there are people born in the wrong yug. Must feel like a fish out of water.

Here's a life lesson: Never give advice unless you are asked for it.

No one looks down on them. The fact that earlier generations give them advice is because we want them to succeed and not make the mistakes we made.

What is the gora expression "We told you so!" Or " You can lead horse to water but you can't make them drink" We have done what we can, but they think they are more clever than us. Let them learn the hard way.

Gen X fudoo blokes with all their cluelessness happen to be this way because of how they were brought up. We are not one mass of people, we all migrated out of Punjab at different stages and our circumstances and values dictate of our tempremant, personality and outlook. Gen X grew up at a time with mothers out of the 1960s who are a different breed compared to the ones who came in the 1990's. This generation was brought up with tinted glasses because you might have gone to Punjab for holidays and people were very different then and you did not see the mass migration of freshies. The parents of those Xers pushed a narrative of "Gora Bad! Indian Good!" It's not Gen Xers fault. Like I might have mentioned before we Punjabi Sikhs (like all the other subcontinent ethnic groups) always felt a sense of moral superiority over the gora. We have been brought up with delayed gratification whereas the new arrivals have instant gratification. Amongst other things we have seen the freshies indulge in, I think that moral superiority we might have felt has probably gone. The post 2005 freshie's were brought up with India Govt schenigans so it stands to reason they are clued up. We did not grow up there so we would we? Now we have reach the 2020s, the various Sikh communities probably walk in different directions. The only time maybe when an older established Sikh may interact with the freshie Sikh is when they need some buidling work done. Later generations of arrivals will not appreciate the sacrifices made by the earlier arrivals They are either indifferent or don't care. I cannot relate to them and they will not with us. They do not consider us as one of them. We may have the same roots and heritage but we are different types of people. They look at us and think "Why are these lot lecturing us on how things are done. I had my 2 phulke and know more than these dumba $$es" To any older generation Sikhs, lets not lecture the freshie's. Let them get on with their puttheh kam and let us get on with our own business.