Ranjeet01

When survival is at stake, all the virtue signalling goes out of the window. At that moment of time, living by higher values gets you slaughtered. For dharma to prevail adharmic things have to be done. Do what needs to be done, ensure your survival and then you can self reflect in all the bad things you had to do, and feel shame. If you want to ensure that you want to live by higher values, you need to put the mechanisms in place like not having adharmi people and ideologies to take precedence in your society.

Just a pointer for everyone here. The majority of the Jewish population is Mizrahi. That is they come from the middle east countries rather than Europe which is the Ashkenazi. They make up the bulk of the ultra right wing and have the middle east/arab mindset so they understand the muslim mentality.

Just like ISIS. Historically speaking this is nothing new. Many of our people can be very idealistic and we are the type of people who root for the underdog. However, I am not a fan of either side and as like many of us are observing from the side lines. However, as a people who have had atrocities committed on us from this cult, there are many amongst us who may empathise to some degree with the Israelis in this particular matter. The larger picture of course, much of the world that has fought with Islamists understood deep down inside that Israel has to beat Hamas otherwise the other Islamists would get emboldened to re-ignite Jihad in other parts of the world. I don't know how the Israelis are going to handle Gaza but if the situation was reversed the Palestinians would have created even worse carnage. If you want to see an example of how muslims deal with non muslim enclaves, take a look at what is happening in Azerbaijan with the Armenian population in Nagorno Karabak. 40 percentage of 2.2 million Gaza is under the age of 14. That is almost 1 million. The Israelis left Gaza back in 2005, so it seems that Gazans have been breeding like rabbits so they can create cannon fodder to invade Israel. The reality is that the Gazans don't really care for their children, because if one child is killed, they are going to breed 2 or 3 more. This is their mindset. The muslim only understands one thing and that is strength and that is being more savage than they are. That means being more ruthless than they and more bloodthirsty than they are. It is only through fear that they respect.

Nothing really shocking from a Jihadi to be honest. Only savagery on these people really works. You have to out-muslim the muslim in this case unfortunately. It is the only language they understand. I think the only thing that will stop Hamas is complete genocide of Gaza. Not something I am proud or happy to say

I do sometimes think that the function of a gurdwara has expanded to things that were not expected before. We expect them to be political institutions, we want them to be social clubs, we want them to be creches, we want them to be daycare centres.

That does seem to be a thing in more isolated areas. But I like those kind of gurdwareh.

Paint over the graffiti and move the sign in the right direction for starters. The community is gradually moving out of these areas, it's a slum now. Once the elders have passed, the exodus will probably expedite.

I personally don't touch that junk food. There are far better restaurants that make far better food. Put your money in better food establishments.

Osterley and Isleworth are OK areas for the Hounslow areas but if you look at the Hounslow town centre, it is even more of a dump than Slough is. Hounslow is like about 20 years ahead of what Slough is now. You cannot really get away from the Muslims because they are in those areas also. There is a mosque (which has been around for more than 20 plus years) as you make your way to Green School I think where I had a cousin of my mine go to. The immigration surge in Slough is due in part to Hounslow dumping a lot of their refugees into Slough. I know this because I had someone I know of who worked in the council. I know of people who live in Hounslow and if they have enough money, they are moving into areas like Richmond. That is what I have realised about our people is that you cannot really have a Sikh area because we ultimately attract other ethnic groups and it then becomes swamped. Our strength is our open-ness and inclusivity but this also results in the above. Either our people become exclusive and do not sell to non Sikhs or we do not put a house on rent and move out, or do what the Jews do which is the whole community chip's in a buys the house from the fellow Sikh and sell to another Sikh and do not allow the new Sikh to put it on rent to refugees. I do not think our people have that kind of thinking. So what is resulting is our people are spreading out and never living in close proximity to one another. You have areas in towns where you can 5-10 per cent Sikhs but you can never tell because they never cluster too close to one another. They also do not do their houses up in the typical way that attracts attention.

I give myself 20-30 years as a cycle and see what happens. By that time, I will be much older. Parts of Bucks such as High Wycombe already has an established Muslim community. So in some cases, Sikhs who move in some of these parts are the newcomers whereas the Muslims are older community. Muslims who live in these types of towns, moved into council housing and have their own enclaves where the town is still mostly goreh, however Sikhs who move to these kind of towns are typically part of a middle class.

The issue with Slough is the immigration, one ethnic group pushes out another ethnic group which pushes out another ethnic group. It creates a knock on effect. I live in the Bucks area.

Well I guess one way to think about it is with your son being 3. You got a 7 year window for him to go Grammar School with 11 plus. That will give you 10 years in the area. You could send him to an outside primary school like a lot of Slough Sikhs do. If he gets into Grammar School then he has another 7 years on top of that, it will make it 17 years in the area. If he does not get into Grammar School, then the schooling gets tricky.

Have a contingency plan and put a strategy in place with what you have said in mind. Maybe look to put your kid into a primary school maybe in an area outside of your local area as an option. The Slough Sikh Community is moving into South Bucks area. Like we mentioned before, there is a typically a 30 year cycle where a Sikh stronghold starts to change. The Grammar School system in Slough has become increasingly competitive and like you mentioned with those South Indian IT types in Langley will begin to hog up those grammar school places.

Controversial view: Where there are several sisters in one family, you could have one guy marrying at least two of the sisters. I can guarantee the girls family might be up for that. However, the boys mother may not be too happy with that as it would create a power struggle with daughter-in-laws coming from the same family.

I have watched this. In a nutshell, Jagjit is relaying UK experiences that could be used to help the US Sikh experience. He made suggestions that maybe US Sikhs should not be so spread out and maybe the US Sikhs should live in close proximity to each other and maybe buy land and build their own communities.

That grey paint,grey window, composite door style is very popular. Very surprised with the lawn for the 2nd picture though. Went to Germany a few years ago, and there are houses with that type of style but it works over there. Here not so much

Goreh are tolerant to a certain percentage, but after that then they start to leave. I went to Richings Park, Iver to someone's home. These are nice homes (probably now £1 million value) , but with more money our people have the more downhill the area gets. What starts off as quite a green area quickly becomes over-developed, concreted over. It becomes very slu You can go to any area and tell pretty quickly which are the apneh's house. It's quite embarrassing that a chavy gora estate looks in better nick than our areas. We should actually buy an industrial estate and move into the industrial units. There is no grass, plenty of parking and got enough space for storage. Less need to extend but if you want to you can (let's face it, there is never enough space for our people) and we have enough space to rent it out to as many illegals as you wish. Industrial estates look like slums anyway so there is no fear of the estate deteriorating.

One of the things you hear from our people is that they don't want their children to be living in enclaves and want them to be able to mix with other groups. This is something that stated by the mothers (they are generally the instigators of this), specifically if they are upwardly social mobile professional types. However, what seems to happen is the kids in general hang around their own ethnic group in these schools. Over time, our ethnic group grows larger until the other subcontinental groups flock towards us and then one particular group will infest and it starts all over again. I think maybe the Sikh schools is largely a good idea as schooling is something that helps keep our areas intact as well as the Gurdwara. What also would help is that if a Sikh family moves, the rest of the community get together and buy the house and sell the house to another Sikh family. But that is very unlikely to happen. Our people have the propensity to rent the house out which can denigrate the area or if the house is sold, it will go to you know who.

No idea. But for many of our people, our perception of what is quality of life is measurably higher when these lot are not there. I think it is because we intuitively understand what is going to happen.

My observations is that there is two types of Muslims when it comes to migration patterns. There is the clannish side, so if one family moves to an area, then one of their cousins and relatives want to move there as well. Our people have a level of autonomy in that we like to have a degree of boundary from our relatives. We are not keen to necessarily live close to each other. The clan Muslims want to live close to each other as much as living on the same street or a couple of doors away from each other. Our people do not have this level of co-dependancy that clan Muslims have. Our close-nitted Ness is not the same as their close nitted Ness. Then you have the other type of Muslim, they are the more religious penguin and hijabi types. They seem to be more religious, maybe higher up the social ladder and they live in more far flung areas where you would find other communities. They seem to avoid the clan muslims. I suspect that there are groups of muslims that want to keep away from other muslims. You must note that since there are a lot of cab drivers of this community, they keep a note of where our people are moving to. They manage to afford these houses by obtaining mortgages via non conventional routes. They have been using brokers for decades and a lot of times their mortgage providers are not institutions you have ever heard of. Our people are typically straightforward on these things, if you want to find an alternative way of doing things or some loop holes, these people are experts. I suspect the reason why you have seen more of them moving jnto your area is that around covid time, you had the stamp duty holiday in purchasing properties. The 3 years you have mentioned seem to co-incide during that time.. My personal opinion is that schooling is a big factor for our people moving but they are caught up with their parent's belligerent non budging out of an area. There are areas that have gone past their sell by date for our people.

Apneh are now increasingly getting those little dogs you can fit in a bag. The days of getting a proper solid kuttah like an Alsation is becoming a thing of the past. I had a friend who used to go to Castleview school (Langley I think) in the 1980s and he was the apnah in his class with the rest being goreh. Of course that is now longer the case. Wonder what the cycle of apneh living in an area is before it becomes an Islamic area. Is it around 20 or 30 years?

Sometimes in life you have to go through dukh to get to the sukh

I think that the couple of times I went there it was a Sunday. You are correct about the avastha! When you have listened/read Bani and done naam simran for a long time you become more highly attuned to the vibrations or the avastha of a place or even the people you are around. When you step foot inside a gurdwara you automatically feel that the environment is at a far higher level. It is quite hard to describe in words, but I typically feel more at ease but in this particular gurdwara during this programme in the darbar hall it felt uneasy. Something did not feel right.

There is a sizeable South American community in the UK. Particularly in London. Parts of South London have Colombians now as well as Brazilians which is quite surprising. The local gym I go to has a Colombian personal trainer and I think the most well known Colombian in the UK is one of those YouTube stars called Yung Filly though he was raised in the UK.

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