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  1. Toronto GTA and mature folk

    What nonsense is this? Do you live in an area with legalized marijuana, and you just took a hit before posting this? By growing up in a white neighborhood, she has to marry a white man? If you marry a worldy man (Punjabi or white), I highly doubt he'll object to your listening to your precious rock. Or bhangra, for that matter. If you marry a spiritual man, he'll likely prefer that you listen to Gurbani (and have your kids listen to Bani), but you should settle that before marriage. Anyway: ਮੇਰੇ ਮੋਹਨ ਸ੍ਰਵਨੀ ਇਹ ਨ ਸੁਨਾਏ ॥ ਸਾਕਤ ਗੀਤ ਨਾਦ ਧੁਨਿ ਗਾਵਤ ਬੋਲਤ ਬੋਲ ਅਜਾਏ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Maerae Mohan Sravanee Eih N Sunaeae || Sakath Geeth Nadh Dhhun Gavath Bolath Bol Ajaeae ||1|| Rehao || O my fascinating Lord, let me not listen to the faithless cynic, singing his songs and tunes, and chanting his useless words. ||1||Pause|| p708
  2. Sri Dasam Granth Senchyia

    I see, that might be the place where the press itself is located, but I'm sure that the books must be available for sale at Patiala (or at major Sikh bookstores), right?
  3. Sri Dasam Granth Senchyia

    I don't know if they have the entire Dasam Granth Sahib, but yes, they do have major banis available. SGPC publishes a "Das Granthi" which includes major Dasam banis like Bachittar Natak and Akal Ustat. Their "Das Granthi" is available at a very reasonable bheta (something like a few tens of rupees). Pick one up the next time you are at Amritsar, a major historical gurdwara, or a large Sikh bookstore.
  4. Are we allowed to Thank Waheguru?

    Some people are too philosophical for their own good. You should ask these people who are supposedly free from "dualism" whether they had breakfast today. If so, why? Did they go to work? If so, why? Won't Waheguru just feed them regardless? Why make those special efforts? Why feed yourself when there are 7 billion people out there? Do they think they are apart from the rest of creation, or Waheguru? Is that not dualistic? Your friends should get a clue. The main thrust of Gurbani is to get people to be thankful for what they have! ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਦਿਤਾ ਖਾਵਣਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਸਾਬਾਸਿ ॥ Let us all celebrate Him, from whom we receive our nourishment. ਜਿਸਕਾ ਦੀਆ ਹਮੇਸਾ ਖਾਣਾ ਹੈ ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਧੰਨ੍ਯਬਾਦ ਕਰੀਏ॥ (p474) Faridkot teeka: "From whom we always eat, we should thank." The person who doesn't say thank you is the worst person on Earth: ਭਾਰੇ ਭੁਈਂ ਅਕਿਰਤਘਣ ਮੰਦੀ ਹੂ ਮੰਦੇ ॥੮॥ Bhaaray Bhueen Akirataghan Mandee Hoo Manday | In fact the ungrateful person is burden on earth and he is evil of evils. ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੩੫ ਪਉੜੀ ੮ ਪੰ. ੬ Sounds like your "non-dualistic" friends who don't say thank you.
  5. So Meghan Markle (the fiancee of Prince Harry) will be baptized into the Church of England in accordance with UK law and the wish of the Queen. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5126203/Meghan-baptised-Church-England.html My question is: what about Sikhs getting baptized (initiated/taking Amrit) before marriage in accordance with the laws of Sachi Sarkar and the wish of the Sacha Patshah (Guru Gobind Singh ji)? OK, forget that, forget Amrit, how about just acknowledging that you (and your fiancee) are a Sikh and believe in the 10 Gurus and Guru Granth Sahib? No amrit, no rehit, just a basic acknowledgement of the faith? Why is the word of the Sacha Patshah less important than that of a worldly king or queen?
  6. Well, I could see missing Nitnem for a day or two right around the day of your daughter's wedding, but on the other hand, there are plenty of married Singhs who follow rehit and don't miss Nitnem. There's simply no excuse for committing any of the bajjar kurehats, though, married or unmarried, busy or not busy, Amritdhari or not. But I even conceded the point there, because all I'm saying is, don't even take Amrit before marriage. Just at the very least, affirm that you (and your marriage partner) are a Sikh, believing in the 10 Gurus and Guru Granth Sahib ji. But people aren't even willing to do that??
  7. No, what I am saying is that look at the fact that Megan Markle is getting baptized due to UK law and the Queen's command. So why don't Sikhs follow the command of Sachi Sarkar and get baptized?
  8. Interestingly, nowhere in the article does it say who appointed him to this position. Key sentences: So, given the university is not paying him, who is? Or is just a self-appointed "chaplain"?
  9. Ironically, Namdharis do this. Well, that's probably the reason they still exist as a distinctive part of Punjabi society. Among them, they know quite well that they have to get initiated before they marry, and also that the person they marry has to be initiated, too. So basically, their young people know they can't marry outside of their group. Which why they're still around, even though they are a miniscule portion of the "Sikh" population. Otherwise they would have long ago merged into the greater Sikh community.
  10. Right, there are plenty of reasons why people were skeptical of Brexit before the vote, and some still are now. But, as you say, that's now reason for British Sikhs to leave the joint now that Brexit is coming into being, unlike what @superkaur is saying, which I am still at a failure to understand why Sikhs should want to leave the UK.
  11. Well, what's the first thing, brother? Genuinely interested in knowing. Is it: "Well, I was in favor of the policy of being in the EU. Now that my side lost, I'm going to leave the country?" Does anyone actually do that? Here's a bunch of celebs who vowed they'd leave the country if Donald Trump won: https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/celebrities/celebrities-who-said-they-ll-leave-america-if-donald-trump-becomes-president-1.12588837 Yet ... no one left.
  12. Bansavalinamah of Das Patshaian

    Speaking as a supporter of our traditional granths (in addition to Guru Granth Sahib ji), I do acknowledge the deficiencies in them, and this is an example of that. The punishment supposedly meted out to the Mazbi Sikh is atrocious. On the other hand, the brotherly love shown in the first part of the story (without regard for caste) is, I believe, an example of true Gursikh spirit as infused by Guru Gobind SIngh ji into the Panth, and is in accord with Guru Sahib's commands regarding caste in the Muktinama (from Suraj Prakash).
  13. Why would a Sikh who is either born in or well-settled in the UK want to go the EU?? Who cares about the EU? Is it so you can visit religious symbol banning France without a passport? Or a Germany influenced by the AfD, where we'll come under an anti-Muslim backlash? What's the point? Forget the EU, you can visit hundreds of countries visa-free regardless of whether the UK is part of EU or not.
  14. Some more Home Truths

    Sikhism needs neither a reformation nor a philosophy of free will. Reformations are for religions that are at a primitive tribal level in the first place. Sikhi starts off with Guru Nanak Ji feeding people langar, and preaching meditation of Satnam. If you start off with capturing war booty and sex slaves killing all the males, yeah, you need a reformation. Philosophy is (mostly) for people trying desperately to understand the universe without real divine knowledge. These types of efforts are called ਸਿਆਣਪਾਂ in Gurbani. (You did you Japji this morning, right?) All of these sianapan don't amount to a hill of beans. We don't have the burning need for philosophy that Westerners do because we can obtain complete knowledge via simran. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਸੁਝੈ ॥
  15. Some more Home Truths

    Did he even mention Jihad ? He talked about split in Islam where two groups compete over who is real Sunni. And this debate absolutely has no affect on non Muslims. Perhaps he was talking about Nirankaris and Sikh situation i.e differences over ideology. Friend, you seem like a moderate Muslim, so I don't want to come off harsh. He didn't mention the word "jihad", but he did mention Wahhabis, and that inevitably brings up the issue of jihad. The way that the Saudis are pushing Wahhabism means that Muslims all around the globe are being infused with jihadi ideology. This is because of all their oil dollars. Random Sufi shrines here and there don't have the wherewithal to compete in the ideological war abroad. As far as competing on who's the real Sunni, one of those competitors thinks that the Sunnah is to war perpetual war against non-Muslim countries. That's where the question jihad comes in, and the fact that it affects non-Muslims. Would you not agree? On matters that are are purely Muslim internal matters, I agree, it doesn't matter to me as a Sikh.
  16. Some more Home Truths

    Well, just a little different, bro. While we do have differences over maryada, that's just our internal issue. It doesn't affect others. For example, take Raag Mala, reading it or not. The average non-Sikh out there doesn't care if we read Raag Mala or not. Or even whether we do 5 banis in Nitnem or 2. Even in cases of actual ideology and philosophy as in whether to do naam simran or not, or whether there's a God out there that listens to our ardaas, that has no effect on non-Sikhs. By contrast, the question of eternal jihad against non-Muslims, for so long as there exist non-Muslim countries on this world, has a profound effect on non-Muslims.
  17. Some more Home Truths

    So are we violently agreeing?
  18. Some more Home Truths

    No worries. Before I address this, could you answer my question above? (About learning Latin)
  19. Some more Home Truths

    Chill, bro. Lol at your renaming of Jagsaw to Jagsaw Khan. I agree that Jagsaw is dangerously Islamophilic at times, but at other times I enjoy his musings. He has a platform to post just in this one thread. What's the problem, really? He's quite well contained, anybody that wants to avoid him is easily able to do so.
  20. Some more Home Truths

    Bro, it's one thing to read previous posts in the current thread for context. It's quite another to expect posters to have read posts in another thread. OK, is this post the one you're referring to? You are right in saying that Punjabi doesn't have roots in Persian or Arabic. But (I believe) that's not an argument for not learning Persian. The analogue would be saying that English doesn't have roots in Latin. Correct, it doesn't; it has Germanic roots. But would you argue that there's no point in learning Latin, since English's roots are Germanic?
  21. What would India be if the British never came?

    So where would one find 5 men who are pure Gurmakhs, AND able to handle the functions of an entire nation state? As well as be completely incorruptible. Well, brother, that's why I said "head of state" above. So you'd only have to have the 5 be Gurmukhs. They would then select the head of government. They wouldn't have to do double duty as able to handle the functions of an entire state. Kind of like the Queen of England.
  22. Some more Home Truths

    What? Really, bro? How (or why) should we remove Perso-Arabic influences from our language when Guru Sahib themselves accepted these influences? Jaap Sahib is a masterpiece of confluence of Perso-Arabic and Sanskrit streams. Removing Perso-Arabic from our language would be like removing Latin/French words from English. You're stating this as a fact, but it's question under argument. Some people think that Sanskrit is an artificial language devised by pandits on a base of the existing languages, including Punjabi. (I'm not saying that I accept this thesis.)
  23. What would India be if the British never came?

    Very incisive analysis, brother. Personally, I would say that all this would have happened even if the British had come. The only reason we lost the Anglo-Sikh war was treachery. If we had won the war (which I think we would have if Maharaja Ranjit Singh had put in appropriate governmental structures, like the Panj Piyare as head of state), then basically all you said would also have happened, only a few decades later. Yeah, that's how Islam is said to have spread (initially) to SE Asia and to the West coast of India. Agree. Downtrodden "Hindus" would convert to Sikhism rather than Islam. And forcibly converted Muslims would see a route to revert from Islam, without having to adopt idol-worshipping or an unjust caste system. Right. To people who say we should be grateful to the British for bringing industrialization and railroads, I ask: Did Japan not have industry and railroads? So, yeah, we would have have Khalsa Rail. Good point. The reason our parents came to the West is because of lack of opportunities in our homeland. With a free and prosperous Sikh kingdom (or India generally), we would never have had to leave. (In fact, they came to us: Ventura, Avitable, MacDonald, etc.)
  24. Well, because the guard tells you to. If you're asking why the guard tells you to take your pajama off, it's because in the Amrit Sanchar, the rules of Sikh uniform are enforced. If, for some reason, you arrive with your beard tied up, they will make you parkash your beard. It should be noted that if, for some reason, you have to appear at the Akal Takhat, you may not appear with a tied-up beard. In this topic, I don't really want to get into whether you should parkash your beard all the time or whether you should wear bana all the time (without pajama), but I am merely noting that these rules are enforced at Amrit Sanchar, whether by the Nihangs or by SGPC. Taking off your pajama also functions to verify that you have an appropriate kachera on. This Gurmat maryada is sexist. Women do not take off salwar. Only men are forced to to do so.