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  1. Sikh24 reported that Gurdwaras were opening their doors to Manchester jihadi attack victims, and also Sikh cabbies were giving free rides to victims. No biggie, right? Wrong. It seems that at least some Muslims and their sympathizers were upset at highlighting this fact. Check out this tweet by a Sikh about Sikh cabbies giving free rides: https://mobile.twitter.com/SinghLions/status/866930974369632256/photo/1 @dineshjoshi70 applauds @SinghLions and says: Gurudwaras worldwide are messengers of humanity . So are the Sikhs and so do some others. But not Twitter user @ShazU_91. She asks why identify the religion of the good samaritans?: https://mobile.twitter.com/ShazU_91/status/866937798686912512?p=p and: https://mobile.twitter.com/ShazU_91/status/866941338742378496?p=p Actually what really pisses off Miss ShazU_91 is that normal people appreciate Sikhs' warm and giving personalities and the fact that they are not bombing average British people, and people are figuring out the difference between Sikhs and Muslim, even people like Katie Hopkins in her latest article: What Miss ShazU_91 wants is a united colored peoples front where whenever the latest Islamic terror attack occurs, everybody who isn't white (West Indians, Chinese and other orientals, aboriginals from various places, Indians including Sikhs, Pakistanis, middle-easterners, Africans, North Africans, Latinos, etc.) get lumped into a single category, and no further distinctions are made. And I don't think we should give her what she wants.
  2. Sikh24 is reporting a "breaking" (meaning unconfirmed) story that some Sikhs in Italy may have tried to violently attack missionary Panthpreet Singh: http://www.sikh24.com/2017/05/07/breaking-bid-to-attack-sikh-preacher-panthpreet-singh-in-italy/ If it's true, it's deplorable, on many levels. Leaving aside other reasons, I'll just come to this: 1) Since the evidence of Guru Granth Sahib ji, Dasam Granth Sahib, Bani Bhai Gurdas ji, Bani Bhai Nand Lal ji, janam sakhis, our glorious history as recorded in Suraj Parkash and other granths, Rehitnamas, biographies of Sikh saints, and historical accounts by non-Sikhs is so overwhelming, there is no reason in the world to engage in violence. 2) The aam sangat (normal members of congregation) do not have great knowledge of the sources mentioned above, or even a deep knowledge of Guru Granth Sahib ji. They find it difficult to evaluate the claims of missionaries as opposed to normal Sikh preachers. What happens is that when Sikhs engage in violence against missionaries, the sangat starts to believe that Sikhs have no firm arguments and that's the reason they get violent. So they start believing that the missionaries are correct. In conclusion, with folded hands, I plead: don't engage in violence, and tell your friends and acquaintances to not do so either, if you care about preserving Sikhism. Attack the missionaries with arguments, not violence.
  3. Agree with almost all of what you said, except for this, because the traditional Sikh belief (echoed in Gurbani and other canonical Sikh sources) is that, indeed, Guru Nanak Dev ji (Satguru) is God. However ... let's not debate that question in this thread, which is meant to talk about the phenomenon of "moderate"/"liberal" Muslims being so strongly pro-Muslim and possibly allergic to non-Muslims (like whenever Sikhs are praised for something).
  4. Do note there is quite a difference between the Right, and the Far Right. The Right is composed of people who want a specific set of policies (mostly involving a smaller government, less welfare benefits, strong military, law and order, more traditional morality, more national sovereignty and also no race-based quotas for hiring or education). This would be the Republican party in the US, and the Tory parties in Canada and UK. This is quite removed from the Far Right, which just wants one thing: White people running anything and everything and benefits for them only. If you were to call a member of the Right a racist, he would recoil and strongly deny that he was a racist. If you were to call a Far Rightist a racist, he would say, "Yes I am". Members of the right are glad to have members of minority groups in their parties. Members of the far right would never in a million years accept a non-white as a member of their party. So, while I think we can interact positively with Right (and also Left) parties, we would only interact with a Far Right party in the way Guru Gobind Singh ji interacted with Shah Bahadur: with extreme caution and eyes wide open. Fortunately, there are no strong Far Right parties in most of the English-speaking countries where most Sikhs live outside of our homeland.
  5. Deplorable. The elderly Sikh with white beard can be heard moaning while he clutches his stomach. I wonder what the background of this attack was. Well, I didn't see any kirpans, did you? For the elderly Sikh, his shirt was lifted up, and no kirpan or gatra was visible even if it were under his clothes. Every Sikh should be armed, and you should definitely have a full-size kirpan if you're traveling outside of your area. Your statement could have been improved with the use of the word "some" to avoid generalization:
  6. FYI, "Tohra" is just a shorthand that some shopkeepers (and some turban-wearers) use to describe the color of turban that the longtime President of the SGPC, Gurcharan Singh Tohra, used to wear. Something like this: Avtar Singh (Makker) and other old-time Akali Dal members wore the same color.
  7. Granted. Though on the other hand, do also note that the "mainstream" media and political establishment are not exactly paragons of virtue when it comes to correctness of facts. Such as that one time that the advisers around President George W. Bush wanted desperately to prove a reason for the invasion of Iraq, like Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction? The intelligence community and the New York Times were hard at work manufacturing "proven" facts, which were later shown to be nothing but politically-motivated nuggets of their imaginations.
  8. I wish we could have such pro-Panthic feeling amongst all of Sikhs, even the ones less strong in Rehit. What some Sikhs say when the question of girls falling for Muslims comes up is that we Sikhs yell at our daughters too much and don't put them at an equal level with boys, restrict our girls, and let boys do anything. Uhmm, just one question: Don't Muslims do the same exact thing? So how can you say our girls are weak because we restrict them too much?!
  9. Ah, yes, indeed the elites who have imported these jihadis do not live in Manchester or Birmingham or Tower Hamlets. They live in the tony areas of London and a few other places. Angela Merkel will not have to put up with the problems caused by importing a million "refugees" (only a few are actually from Syria) per year. President Obama just bought a residence in a very exclusive California community. Katy Perry, a singer, said she believes open borders: “Whatever we say behind people’s backs, the Internet can be a little bit ruthless as far as fan bases go but I think that the greatest thing we can do is just unite and love on each other,” Perry said, adding, “No barriers, no borders, we all just need to co-exist.” But ... she has a 10-foot wall around her house! Here's a pic: Walls for me, but not for thee.
  10. Do you have any Youtube links for this? Or keywords or journalist names? I think it's quite tough getting Canadian media personalities on our side just because of the whole Air India tragedy. Of course, it's difficult to know the truth because the CSIS destroyed the evidence. Very convenient. Not all Rebel Media personalities are anti-Sikh. For example, here's Gavin McInnes being interviewed by talkshow host Alex Jones: Gavin McInnes says Sikhs are people who fought against Islam. Against oppression. Their raison d'etre is helping the oppressed. Totally compatible with the West. Host Alex Jones then agrees and says yes, we don't care if you have brown skin.
  11. Btw, Miss ShazU_91 is upset that Katie Hopkins' kids don't want to die in a bomb blast: Shaz 🥀‏ @ShazU_91 May 23 Shaz 🥀Retweeted Katie Hopkins Maybe you need to let your kids be kids then. Horse face c*nt Shaz 🥀added, Katie HopkinsVerified account @KTHopkins My children say they would rather be shot than die slowly by nail bomb. This is the UK today. #ManchesterArena 0 replies1 retweet4 likes May I point out that most people would prefer a quick death to bleeding out slowly and painfully? ShazU is upset that somebody wouldn't want to be the recipient of one of her radical Islamist brothers' nail bombs. Amazing how hard-core non-practicing Muslims can be. It seems to me that most of our non-practicing Sikh girls would never stand up for Sikh issues like Miss ShazU_91. Can anyone explain this?
  12. Liked. Amazing how "journalists" feel free to just brazenly lie about people who they don't happen to favor.
  13. The reasons I believe @ShazU_91 is Muslim are that her profile pic shows her to be an "Asian" looking person, Google images shows more such pics, and links from a Google search for ShazU_91 show various pages where the location is indicated as Pakistan, including a Pakistani cars discussion forum. Additionally, there's this tweet: Shaz 🥀 @ShazU_91 8 May 14 Replying to @l3ahpar @l3ahpar as a born muslim, I've stopped caring. Still don't eat pork but not arsed about halal or not. Shaz 🥀 @ShazU_91 9 Mar 15 Replying to @CaliBesteen @HipsterAllah rather be Muslim than a Hindu 👀 Quite interesting how even non-practicing Muslims are so very nationalistic or Islamist.
  14. Here are some other Twitter responses: @manfaceUK May 23 Replying to @SinghLions I'm from Huddersfield where all my life the Sikh community showed the same supportive community spirit and care, just like today ❤️ Leslie Grantham @LesGranthamReal May 23 Replying to @SinghLions @thelouisemerick Well done sir. #wengerout @simon_gooner May 23 Replying to @SinghLions @Dansullyafc Always found the Sikh community to be top notch! Well played Star4WestBromWest @StarAnderton May 23 Replying to @SinghLions @SteveUnwin01 As ever the generosity of the Sikhs & decent humans beings in Manchester is there for those in need after this cowardly terrorist attack. Here's one negative comment: Nuala Kitty Woulfe @NWoulfeWriter May 23 Replying to @SinghLions @CorkSeashell Seriously, I'd never say a Catholic cab driver or a Protestant.. you don't need to tell me his religion/spiritual beliefs...deceny is human My response: Well, it's like this: you cannot tell a Catholic cabbie from a Protest taxi driver by merely glancing at him. You can with a Sikh in 21st century Britain. Secondly, Sikhs are very often mistaken by some people for Muslims. And that's why we constantly highlight Sikhs doing kind deeds so maybe we can save the life of some random, innocent Sikh. Lastly, I'd like to say all the stuff that Sikhs do, like distributing langar in the community, and just general being-a-good-person, all that stuff does create positive karma which comes back and we get repaid by the Law of Karma.
  15. While it's not forbidden to do an informal ardaas, it is suggested that if you're not doing a full ardaas, you can do a small ardaas: Basically, you just do the Bhagauti ki vaar pauri, plus remember 10th Guru, and Guru Granth Sahib, and then do your supplication. The reason for doing this is to remember our Gurus before you launch your request. Tuks to keep in mind: First, don't make demands, do supplication: ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਚਾਕਰੁ ਲਗੈ ਚਾਕਰੀ ਜੇ ਚਲੈ ਖਸਮੈ ਭਾਇ ॥ If a servant, performing service, obeys the Will of his Master, ਹੁਰਮਤਿ ਤਿਸ ਨੋ ਅਗਲੀ ਓਹੁ ਵਜਹੁ ਭਿ ਦੂਣਾ ਖਾਇ ॥ His honor increases, and he receives double his wages. ਖਸਮੈ ਕਰੇ ਬਰਾਬਰੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਗੈਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਪਾਇ ॥ But if he claims to be equal to his Master, he earns his Master's displeasure. ਵਜਹੁ ਗਵਾਏ ਅਗਲਾ ਮੁਹੇ ਮੁਹਿ ਪਾਣਾ ਖਾਇ ॥ He loses his entire salary, and is also beaten on his face with shoes. ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਦਿਤਾ ਖਾਵਣਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਸਾਬਾਸਿ ॥ Let us all celebrate Him, from whom we receive our nourishment. ਨਾਨਕ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਚਲਈ ਨਾਲਿ ਖਸਮ ਚਲੈ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ॥੨੨॥ O Nanak, no one can issue commands to the Lord Master; let us offer prayers instead. ||22|| Raag Asa Guru Angad Dev Page:1038 Secondly, be like a child asking for something ceaselessly from your father: ਬਾਰਿਕ ਵਾਂਗੀ ਹਉ ਸਭ ਕਿਛੁ ਮੰਗਾ ॥ Like a child, I ask for everything. ਦੇਦੇ ਤੋਟਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਰੰਗਾ ॥ God is Bountiful and Beautiful; He never comes up empty. ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਮਨਾਈ ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲ ਗੋਪਾਲਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥ Again and again, I fall at His Feet. He is Merciful to the meek, the Sustainer of the World. ||3|| Raag Maajh Guru Arjan Dev page 99
  16. It wasn't a kids concert per se, but rather that Ariana Grande, the singer, is a young woman whose fan base is disproportionately teenage girls. It is being speculated that the reason for the attack is the Muslims dislike music. Keep in mind that when Guru Nanak Dev ji started singing outside of Baghdad, the locals gathered to kill Guru ji for singing.
  17. Oh, by the way, in that article, when you scroll down to where it says "Members of the public meet to lay flowers", the Muslims who are laying flowers for the dead are actually Dawoodi Bohra Muslims from Gujurat and Mumbai. They differ in important respects from the Sunnis making up 90% of Muslims. For one thing, they are Shias. As explained here by a Muslim, they are a non-terrorist community. Why Bohras don't get involved in terrorism: Some ignorant writer on the article captioned the photo as "Members of the Muslim community gather at the floral tributes " whereas it's actually a tiny sect oppressed (and bombed) by majority sect Muslims.
  18. Here's a long and interesting article about the Manchester attack, and its perpetrator: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4539462/Jihadi-family-police-warnings-Manchester-bomber.html The main point is that Britain imported an Islamist extremist and al Qaeda sympathizer (the perp's father). Some pertinent extracts: The perp's father and brother were Islamists. He came to Britain as a refugee, but get this: He was not running from Islamic extremists. Rather, he was running because Libya's government was cracking down on Islamic extremists! Shaking my head as to why Britain would want to import the likes of him. So, some members of his own family were warning about him, and the Government still did nothing! SMH. So the guy can travel to whatever war-torn Islamist-controlled territory for training, and upon return to Britain, instead of being arrested, or even questioned, the customs/borders official (standing in place of the Government), says "Welcome Home!" If someone were to write this up as a screenplay, it would be rejected for being wildly impossible for a government to be so incompetent.
  19. love

    The reason you feel lukewarm towards your husband is simply that you're comparing the best aspects of someone you just met to the reality and complete personality and history of someone you've been with for maybe a decade. When people are not married, they put their best face forward to people (both to possible romantic interests and to society in general). That's why you get a man (or a woman) saying to their wife (or husband), "Why can't you be more like X? She (or he) is so nice and kind to their spouse. Etc." Well, the reason you think they are nice to their spouse is because that's what you observe in the limited time that you spend with other people. At home, it's usually a different matter. Just answer me this: do you ever fart (pass wind) in front of husband, or he in your presence? I'd bet he does. Now compare that to people in society. They don't pass wind in front of you. Same for this guy that you've met. The point I"m trying to make is that you only see a limited portion of his personality and real life. When you think of this guy, you think of all the nice things he says. When you think of your husband, you think of, say, the one time he didn't get you an anniversary gift because your family was tight on money that year. When you think of your husband, you think of the car that you've been nagging him to get replaced because it breaks down sometimes. You think of times that he didn't bring all the stuff in the groceries that you had requested. You think of that one time he said something negative about your father or your brother. Just try living with your newfound prince for not 10 years, but one year. And tell me if he's a devta (demigod), or just a normal man like the one you're married to right now.
  20. It seems that many of our Sikhs' problems are rooted in falling away from the teachings of the olden mahapurkhs, including Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindrawale, Bhai Randhir Singh ji, Sant Attar Singh ji, and others. If you should happen to meet someone who claims to be an AKJ member, and yet holds missionary-style positions, you should ask them if they have read all (or any!) of Bhai Randhir SIngh ji's books. These books totally eviscerate the positions held by the "missionaries" of Bhai Randhir Singh's time. A quick Google search reveals that Bhai Randhir SIngh ji considered Dasam bani equal to Guru Granth Sahib ji's bani: 1. "In this extract from Gurmat Lekh by Bhai Sahib he writes that Guru Gobind Singh Jee's writing (which he calls Sri Dasmesh Vakha, or words of Guru Gobind Singh) is the same as the previous Gurus. Guru Gobind Singh did not change the previous Gurus philosophy. Whatever Guru Gobind Singh wrote in Sri Dasam Bani is the same as what the previous Gurus wrote. Bhai Sahib calls Sri Dasam Bani Sri Mukhvaakh! (Gurmat Lekh- Page 133)" http://puratanjatha.blogspot.in/2012/12/bhai-randhir-singh-jee-on-sri-dasam.html 2. http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,25724 "ਫੁਨੇਹ, ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਸੁਖਮਨਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਬਾਵਨ ਅਖਰੀ, ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤ ਆਦਿਕ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਪਾਠਾਂ ਦੇ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਸਰੋਤ ਆਨੰਦ ਮੰਗਲ ਹੋਣੇ।Banis that were recited daily by Bhai Sahib and his Companions in jail include (but are not limited to) Funhe, Sukhmani Sahib, Sukhmana Sahib, Baavan Akhree, and Akaal Ustat." 3. Somebody went to the trouble of listing quotations of Dasam Granth Sahib from Bhai Randhir Singh ji's writings (including Charitaropakhian). Here's a 13-page PDF of that: http://www.vidhia.com/Bhai Randheer Singh Ji/Bhai_Randheer_Singh_Ji_-_Sri_Dasam_Granth_Sahib.pdf I would love to see somebody confront these wayward elements of AKJ UK with these solid facts, and see whether they want to denounce Bhai Randhir Singh ji, or Rattan Singh Jaggi, one or the other. BTW, the only reason Dr. Rattan Singh Jaggi wrote a thesis against the Dasam Granth Sahib is that someone in his department had already written a pro-Dasam thesis, and his advisor forced him write to one against it!
  21. Friend, why do you so unequivocally denounce what she said? Leave aside that she heard something at sometime in Katha, and can't remember the name of the kathakar. The fact is that our religious books speak quite explicitly about the problems inherent in taking money in return for religious works. Read the 35th Vaar of Bhai Gurdas Ji, Pauris 12-16. https://searchgurbani.com/bhai_gurdas_vaaran/vaar_index/35 12 Expectation from a religious place ਧਰਮਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਝਾਕ 13 Desire from the earning of the religious place ਝਾਕ - ਪੂਜਾ ਦਾ ਧਾਨ 14 Earnings of worship ਪੂਜਾ ਦਾ ਧਾਨ 15 How earnings of worship could be digested ਪੂਜਾ ਦਾ ਧਾਨ ਕਿੱਕੂੰ ਪਚੇ ? 16 The marks of the religious-earning-grabbers ਧਰਮਸਾਲ ਝਾਕੀਆਂ ਦਾ ਲੱਛਣ Here's an excerpt to get you started: ਜਿਉ ਮਿਰਜਾਦਾ ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ ਗਊ ਮਾਸੁ ਅਖਾਜੁ। As the cow meat is forbidden in Hindu code of conduct; ... ਤਿਉ ਧਰਮਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਝਾਕ ਹੈ ਵਿਹੁ ਖੰਡੂਪਾਜੁ ॥੧੨॥ Similarly to set one's eye upon the earning of the religious place is like eating of sugar coated poison. Vaar 35, Pauri 12 Now, I do recognize that we basically have to have full-time workers in our Gurdwaras and other institutions, but don't dismiss the concerns highlighted by Bhai Gurdas Ji.
  22. OK, I would just say that it is generally accepted that either if you do a bajjar kurehit, or a bajjar kurehit is done to you, you have go pesh (present yourself before Panj Piyare). They make the determination, and then you're good with the Guru. Also, "patit" does not mean "paapi" (sinner), it means fallen (people can fall accidentally, too).
  23. How would that happen? (How would cutting your hair save your life?)
  24. I think the logic, as explained by some kathakars, is that as Guru is bakhshind (willing to forgive), so too are the Akal Takhat and the Panj Piyare bakhshind. So the purpose of tankhah (the word saja--punishment--is not used), is to reform the errant individual. Hence the extra paaths. Also, it makes quite a difference if the person involved became patit through no fault of their own, or willingly transgressed an explicit rule.
  25. I would hope that that doesn't turn out to be the blind leading the blind, sort of like how some modern schoolteachers don't actually teach math, rather, they ask children what how they think math should be done. When you say "Christians", I think you mean Protestants, who believe in sola scriptura or "only the book", kind of like how some of our Sikhs think we need to discard everything except Guru Granth Sahib ji. I imagine such a study group would go like this: -"Today's shabad denounces religious symbols. Therefore, please everybody deposit your kirpans in the box on the table on your way out." -"Where in Guru Granth Sahib does it say to make Karah Parshad?" "It doesn't" "OK, so we should stop doing that."