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  1. Naam Karan ceremony? What Naam Karan ceremony? He was a coconut. I should also state that, traditionally, the name is supposed to be put before the sangat for approval, and if it approves, then they can respond with Jaikara. That implies the power of the sangat to deny names of which they don't approve, for whatever reason.
  2. Quite shocking that a "Sikh" would say that. Slanderers of Satguru are bound for Hell: ਕੋਈ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਪੂਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਤਿਸ ਨੋ ਫਿਟੁ ਫਿਟੁ ਕਹੈ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ If someone slanders the Perfect True Guru, he will be rebuked and reproached by the whole world. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੬) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੨ ਪੰ. ੧੦ ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਮਾਰ ਦਿਵਾਵੈ ॥ But one who slanders the Perfect True Guru, shall be killed and destroyed by the Creator. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੮) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੫ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੩ ਪੰ. ੧੩ ਫੇਰਿ ਓਹ ਵੇਲਾ ਓਸੁ ਹਥਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਓਹੁ ਆਪਣਾ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਆਪੇ ਖਾਵੈ ॥ This opportunity shall not come into his hands again; he must eat what he himself has planted. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੮) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੬ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੩ ਪੰ. ੧੩ ਨਰਕਿ ਘੋਰਿ ਮੁਹਿ ਕਾਲੈ ਖੜਿਆ ਜਿਉ ਤਸਕਰੁ ਪਾਇ ਗਲਾਵੈ ॥ He shall be taken to the most horrible hell, with his face blackened like a thief, and a noose around his neck. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੮) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੭ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੩ ਪੰ. ੧੪ ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਸੋ ਸਾਚੈ ਮਾਰਿ ਪਚਾਇਆ ॥ One who slanders the Perfect True Guru is punished and destroyed by the True Lord. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੨) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੮ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧ ਪੇਡੁ ਮੁੰਢਾਹੂੰ ਕਟਿਆ ਤਿਸੁ ਡਾਲ ਸੁਕੰਦੇ ॥੧੨॥ When the tree is cut off at its roots, the branches wither and die. ||12|| ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੨):੧੦ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੬ ਪੰ. ੧੯ ਤੁਸਿ ਦਿਤੀ ਪੂਰੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਘਟੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਇਕੁ ਤਿਲੁ ਕਿਸੈ ਦੀ ਘਟਾਈ ॥ By His Pleasure, the Lord has bestowed this upon the Perfect True Guru; it is not diminished one bit by anyone's efforts. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੩) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੭ ਪੰ. ੧ ਸਚੁ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੈ ਵਲਿ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਝਖਿ ਝਖਿ ਮਰੈ ਸਭ ਲਦ਼ਕਾਈ ॥ The True Lord and Master is on the side of the True Guru; and so, all those who oppose Him waste away to death in anger, envy and conflict. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੩) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੭ ਪੰ. ੨ ਨਿੰਦਕਾ ਕੇ ਮੁਹ ਕਾਲੇ ਕਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਕਰਤੈ ਆਪਿ ਵਧਾਈ ॥ The Lord, the Creator, blackens the faces of the slanderers, and increases the glory of the Guru. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੩) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੭ ਪੰ. ੨ ਜਿਉ ਜਿਉ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਨਿੰਦ ਕਰਹਿ ਤਿਉ ਤਿਉ ਨਿਤ ਨਿਤ ਚੜੈ ਸਵਾਈ ॥ As the slanderers spread their slander, so does the Guru's glory increase day by day. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੩) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੫ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੭ ਪੰ. ੩ Guru Ramdass ji has enjoined us from having relations with slanderers of Satguru: ਕੋਈ ਜਾਇ ਮਿਲੈ ਹੁਣਿ ਓਨਾ ਨੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਮਾਰੇ ਜਮੁ ਜੰਦਾਰੇ ॥ Whoever goes out to meet them now, will be destroyed by the tyrant, the Messenger of Death. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੪) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੭ ਪੰ. ੧੪ ਹੋਦੈ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੋ ਵਿਛੁੜੇ ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਦਰਿ ਢੋਈ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ Those who separate themselves from the Guru, in spite of His Constant Presence - they find no place of rest in the Court of the Lord. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੫) ਸ. (੪) ੨:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੮ ਪੰ. ੧੫ ਕੋਈ ਜਾਇ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਿਨ ਨਿੰਦਕਾ ਮੁਹ ਫਿਕੇ ਥੁਕ ਥੁਕ ਮੁਹਿ ਪਾਹੀ ॥ If someone goes to meet with those dull-faced slanderers, he will find their faces covered with spit. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੫) ਸ. (੪) ੨:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੮ ਪੰ. ੧੬ I should note that Guru is forgiving, and if your relative repents of his mistake, he can obtain a pardon: ਜੇ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸਰਣੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਓਹੁ ਆਵੈ ਤਾ ਪਿਛਲੇ ਅਉਗਣ ਬਖਸਿ ਲਇਆ ॥ But if he should come again to the Sanctuary of the Guru, then even his past sins shall be forgiven. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੩) ਸ. (੪) ੨:੮ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੭ ਪੰ. ੯
  3. There was a Sikh man (coconut, basically), who had a son. His (white British) neighbors suggested the name Peter (I think it was), which the Sikh man stupidly accepted. Later, the neighbors had a son, and Peter's grandfather suggested the name Gurpreet (I think). The neighbors reacted badly, saying that that couldn't be the name for a Christian baby. Then the grandpa pounced: He said, "If Gurpreet can't be the name for a Christian baby, how can Peter be the name for a Sikh baby?" Everyone (including Peter's father) was chastised. The Sikh baby's father then took his family to the Gurdwara to choose an appropriate name for his son. Moral of the story: Don't be a coconut.
  4. Preach it, brother. The Gursikhs have immense respect for the Gurmukhs of every caste, such as Bhagat Kabeer ji Julaha, Bhagat Ravidass ji Chamar, Bhagat Namdev ji Chimba, Bhai Gurdas ji Bhalla (Khatri), Baba Budha ji Randhawa Jatt, Bhai Sati Das ji Brahmin, and countless other flowers in the garden of Gursikhi. Meanwhile, Manmukhs fight over whether their caste is higher, or try to denigrate others based on caste: ਜਾਤਿ ਕਾ ਗਰਬੁ ਨ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖ ਗਵਾਰਾ ॥ Do not be proud of your social class and status, you ignorant fool! ਭੈਰਉ (ਮਃ ੩) (੧) ੧:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੧੨੭ ਇਸੁ ਗਰਬ ਤੇ ਚਲਹਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਵਿਕਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ So much sin and corruption comes from this pride. ||1||Pause|| ਭੈਰਉ (ਮਃ ੩) (੧) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੧੨੮
  5. Punjabi names are typically just weak. Throwing together a bunch of jeets preets mans gurs etc is quickly dying away. I'll gladly pick Avani over Gurpinderjeet. Thereby demonstrating what I just said: Punjabi self-hatred and inferiority complex. If you had just said "Parents should make sure their child's name has a good meaning" I'd be with you.
  6. What? That really happened? Dhadrianwale made people take off kirpans? Any details on that?
  7. So after the "direct action" in Rawlpindi, etc., (meaning massacres and genocides by Muslims of Sikhs and Hindus), our people pushed the Muslims out of East Punjab to create a tension-free environment without Sharia and jihadi sentiment ... and then proceeded to immigrate to the UK, in which we face the same exact thing! So sad. How could these people ever appreciate the beauty of such doctrines as: ਦੇਖਿ ਪਰਾਈਆ ਚੰਗੀਆ ਮਾਵਾਂ ਭੈਣਾਂ ਧੀਆਂ ਜਾਣੈ। View women of others as mothers, sisters, and daughters. ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੨੯ ਪਉੜੀ ੧੧ Oh, btw, the word ਚੰਗੀਆ is quite instructive here. We're told to view other women as "good", not as slags, whores, and bit**es, which is how radical Muslims are encouraged to view non-Muslim girls. Gupt jihadi. The fancy haircut and knee-high skirt isn't fooling anybody. Excellent advice. It's not the age for daintiness. ਜਬੈ ਬਾਣ ਲਾਗਿਯੋ ॥ ਤਬੈ ਰੋਸ ਜਾਗਿਯੋ ॥ (Bachittar Natak, Pa: 10)
  8. That's not your decision to make. Forced? So Guru Gobind Singh Ji was wrong to take back the Sikh who had been forced to convert to islam? Agree. One of the things that are forgotten when people say, "oh, it's not a big deal, let them become Muslims" is that there were mounds, nay, mountains of skulls and dead bodies that needed to be sacrificed to break the back of jihadi rule in Punjab. Only with great sacrifice did we carve out an area that was safe from Sharia law and forced conversions. And to just throw that away is, in my view, a stunning level of ungratefulness towards our ancestors who battled and died to allow us to be free from the clutches of the jihadis.
  9. Thanks for supporting the unity of our people, bro. ... Not.
  10. It is quite sad that pleasant kids that love playing, running, singing and smiling are forced to have to face up to the ugly face of aggressive Islamic proselytization at such a young age.
  11. Just another ongoing example of Punjabi self-hatred and inferiority complex.
  12. Yeah, it's extremely stupid to think that just those 2 surnames are open to Islamic grooming. And everybody else among is just fine. No, they're not. All of our people our vulnerable, because we are too soft, and because we don't have the correct doctrinal foundation (many/most Sikhs think "all religions are equal". So why shouldn't they become Muslims?). So pushing the blame on these 2 surnames is just another way of putting our heads in the sand.
  13. What is maddeningly difficult for me to understand is this: You think that your Sikh father/brother/whatever is too strict and is a "closed-minded backward twat" ... so you then "wanna do a ting with muslim men" ??! Oh, yeah, right, they're not closed-minded backward twats /sarc. You're upset at your father (or mother) for merely using words to tell you off, and so you then fall into the arms of someone whose religion actually encourages them to beat you? (Yeah, I realize some Sikhs beat their wives, I'm talking about the religion itself.) You think Sikhs and Sikhism are too strict, so you rush headlong into the embrace of someone whose religion specifies every little thing you do from waking up to going to sleep, and if you leave the religion, the punishment is death?? Can someone please explain this for me? I think my head is going to explode with the contradictions.
  14. Thanks, bro. I read one of his tracts called, maybe Singhan da Panth Nirala, where he argued his position from older works, and did not say "Randhir Singh said so, therefore you have to do this.", so I highly doubt that he would be so egotistical to overturn Guru Gobind Singh ji's maryada. I think that there may be a handful of Internet AKJs (far from all) who may have argued the point of female Panj Piyare theoretically, but not done so in actuality. Which would be sort of the same as the SGPC (written into the SRM, but not actually done at SGPC gurdwaras).
  15. Well, I was asking about the actual writing of Bhai Randhir Singh ji. If you have such a reference, please provide it, otherwise please withdraw your statement. If you have any hearsay (I realize it wouldn't be written documentation) about females in Panj Pyare, and in which countries or cities, and who you heard that from, that would also be appreciated. Thanks.