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  1. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    It's not a complex language, bro. Arabic is a complex language. The grammar is complex. You have different forms for singular, plural, 3 or more people, whether they are present in front of you or not, etc. Pronunciation is difficult for us because there are sounds which we are not familiar with. There are fewer words with which we as Punjabis are familiar. Persian, by contrast, is arguably simpler than Punjabi, because, e.g., it doesn't have grammatical gender. The sounds are easier for us to pronounce (there are only a handful that don't exist in desi Punjabi, but they do exist in urban Punjabi or Urdu, so you've probably already heard the sounds). Many of the words also exist in Punjabi, so that means there's a foothold for us to hang on to while figuring out the meaning of a sentence. Learning Persian for us is like crossing a lake with a paddle-boat. Learning Arabic for us is like trying to cross the Pacific Ocean with a life jacket from the bottom of your airplane seat. Oh, and Arabic is a non-Indo-European language. Persian is Indo-European (like Punjabi, of course).
  2. The Sikh pant? You mean this? You might consider learning how to spell before you come on here telling Sikhs that they don't know anything. Yeah, I'm sure you are furious that Sikhs believe that Guru Nanak ji is higher than your beloved Prophet Mohammed. So touchy about being asked which religion, are we? I don't belong to any branch of the RSS or any other anti-Sikh organization for that matter. If you're not a sheep, you must be weasel since you're not willing to identify which of the 72 mazhabs of the Ummah you belong to. I'm not the one who made this statement originally, but I don't really see what the big deal is, either. He said "symbol". You should be able to understand that. It is often said that "ਪਾਪਾਂ ਦੀ ਬੇੜੀ ਭਰ ਕੇ ਡੁੱਬਦੀ ਹੈ" (oh, should I put that into Arabic script so you can read it, akh?). So the execution of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji represented the summit of evil by Aurangzeb, sometime after the decline of his empire began. It's not the 5 ਭਈਏ, you dolt! How dare you insult the Guru's beloved 5 Singhs in that way. In Sikhism, a major emphasis is put on humility. The point is that if God can humble Himself, man can also. This was also to cement the principle of rule by the 5. ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਰਿ ਚੋਜ ਵਿਡਾਣੈ। ਸੋ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੋਈ ਸਿਖ ਹੈ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਣੈ। ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧੩ ਪਉੜੀ ੧ ਪੰ. ੪ (Did they teach you how to read Gurmukhi in your RSS/jihadi training camp?) When, indeed. There is no such book as the "Surah Prakash Granth". Get your head out of the Koran for just a second so you can make a convincing show of being a Sikh. Oh, you mean your jihadi training camp never took you on a field trip to a Gurdwara before letting you loose? If they had, you'd know what it is. ਸੂਰਜ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ is the granth of which ਕਥਾ is done every evening in every large gurdwara in the world.
  3. Admin, please do NOT ban this fellow calling himself "guest guest". @sikhni777, it is better to be exposed to anti-Sikh arguments in a controlled environment where there are plenty of Sikhs available to give answers as opposed to be being blindsided and being exposed to anti-Sikh arguments for the very first time "in the real world". Do you think it's better to swim in small and medium sized pools and get better at swimming, or do you think it would be better to be thrown out of a plane into the Pacific Ocean having never swam before?
  4. Bhaji, Ram Chandar Ji had 14, while Krishna had 16. Thanks for the correction, brother. Yes, brother, there is. You can find it here: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F01_Puratan_Katha%2FSant_Gurbachan_Singh_(Bhindran_wale)%2FGuru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha%2FVolume_01_Ang_0001-0070 Start with the first file (page 1), katha of Japji Sahib. The audio is hard to listen to, though. There is a print version (Japji Sahib Steek by Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindrawale), available here: http://www.sikhroots.com/literature/books/305-jap-ji-steek-by-sant-baba-gurbachan-singh-ji-bindranwale Unfortunately, someone decided to leave the first portion out. Fortunately, brother kam1825 went to the trouble of translating it into English, available here. Pertinent portions:
  5. Before any of us engages further with you, you need to state what you claim to be: Muslim, Christian, Hindu, atheist, or whatever? Then we can have a conversation on that basis.
  6. Well, Sikhs don't merely believe Gurus had God's jot, but that they are (present tense) God. And also that the Gurus were not a roop of God like the avatars were (like Ram, Krishan). Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindrawale states quite clearly that Sri Ram had 16 powers, but the powers of Guru Nanak Dev ji are limitless.
  7. What do you mean by binding? If you have a pile of papers, and you fuse or sew them on one end to create a book, that's called binding. Guru Gobind Singh ji would not need binding for the simple reason that Guru Gobind Singh ji is not a sheaf of papers!
  8. Please do go on, I am interested in knowing all of the arguments Muslims want to make. BTW, if you want to have a conversation, please get an account. It's free. All you require is an email address, which 99% you probably already have, but if not, that's free, too.
  9. Do you have a reference (even better, an online link) to the specific part of Rig Ved that says this? It would be very handy.
  10. Quite astounding that you've never heard anyone say that Guru is God. Sikhs have always believed that until the new crop of 20th century "professors" came along to deny that fact in order to please their foreign masters. I didn't watch the whole video, but props to Bhai Jugraj Singh for stating basic Sikh theology, which is that Guru is God. If the Gurus were human beings (don't say "are"), then they are dead. Why follow what they say? They have no more authority than the average Joe.
  11. Leather, Tabla of Goats Skin

    OK, thanks for the clarification, and the link. On the one hand, I don't see any problem with -veg sandwiches. There's nothing to say that each and every sandwich on this earth has the have the same exact ingredients as a Big Mac. -veg kebabs: Nothing to say that if some people roast meat on a stick, that vegetarians can't roast sabzis on a stick -veg pizza: Add whatever toppings you like or don't like. Even meat-eaters are picky about their preferred toppings. But what in the world could possess someone to dream up "veg lamb kofta", "veg style chicken tikka", "veg pepperoni", "veg style meat feast", "veg fish"?? Again, while not getting into the question of meat per se, I would like to state that there's nothing that special about meat that you have to go to ridiculous extents to imitate it. I would not say that that is a healthy vegetarianism. To the contrary, I think that people who eat this sort of thing are setting themselves up for eventually eating meat, being as they are constantly conditioning their brain in a Pavlovian manner to crave and desire meat.
  12. Leather, Tabla of Goats Skin

    I would not like to address the question of meat here. But I would like to address the limited issue of imitation of meat products, brother. I do know that American vegans have come up with something called Tofurky which is supposed to imitate turkey, but this sort of thing is not served in Indian restaurants, whether they're Sikh-owned or not. And certainly not an abundance of imitation meat. Non-veg Indian restaurants do serve stuff like tandoori chicken, but veg Indian restaurants do not serve imitation chicken legs; they simply don't serve chicken, period. Paneer is not something that was dreamt up in the 21st century in order to imitate meat. Milk has been around for very long time. Paneer is just one more way to create dairy products. It's not an imitation of meat, maybe somebody who's unfamiliar with Indian food could call it an imitation of tofu, itself veg.
  13. Did the Gurus have past lives?

    What you say is true. But I would add the following: The sakhi is widely told in the Sikh panth that Guru Gobind SIngh ji bowed (with his weapon) to Dadu's smaadh. Then the Khalsa imposed a tankah (religious punishment) on Guru Sahib for violating the Khalsa rehit. However, some gianis also add the caveat that Guru Sahib did not make a mistake. Guru ji knew what they were doing all along, it was merely a test of the Khalsa to see how closely they follow the rehit and if they grant any exceptions to anybody, no matter how big they might be. Similarly, I think it can be said that the Gurus did indeed live various sorts of lives prior to coming in contact with the Satguru, but that was for our benefit, to show the power of Satguru to change lives, to bring people up from the normal to the highest, and the power of bhagti and seva. The Gurus did, e.g., worship the Devi and so forth, but only like an actor in a play.
  14. Sant Baba Amar Singh Ji

    No, Baba doesn't (necessarily) imply a mahapurkh. It's just a word that means literally father in Persian, but in Punjabi it's used for elders generally (such as your grandfather). I just don't want people out there to think that everyone that wears white is a saint. Some are, some aren't. Some are just normal Sikhs. A small minority are predators. Stay safe.
  15. By "this" do you mean destroying a gutka after yet another girl was born? Yeah, that's manmat, but not just manmat, it's a vicious attack on the body of Satguru. This fool is bound for hell. On the other hand if you're asking whether a Sikh wanting a son is manmat, no, it's not. Was Guru Hargobind ji a manmukh for saying that "puttar" is "nishan" to the wandering sadhu? Of course, if it is not written in God's will for you to have a son, you should not pout or be angry with God. You should accept God's will as sweet.