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  1. Agree with almost all of what you said, except for this, because the traditional Sikh belief (echoed in Gurbani and other canonical Sikh sources) is that, indeed, Guru Nanak Dev ji (Satguru) is God. However ... let's not debate that question in this thread, which is meant to talk about the phenomenon of "moderate"/"liberal" Muslims being so strongly pro-Muslim and possibly allergic to non-Muslims (like whenever Sikhs are praised for something).
  2. Do note there is quite a difference between the Right, and the Far Right. The Right is composed of people who want a specific set of policies (mostly involving a smaller government, less welfare benefits, strong military, law and order, more traditional morality, more national sovereignty and also no race-based quotas for hiring or education). This would be the Republican party in the US, and the Tory parties in Canada and UK. This is quite removed from the Far Right, which just wants one thing: White people running anything and everything and benefits for them only. If you were to call a member of the Right a racist, he would recoil and strongly deny that he was a racist. If you were to call a Far Rightist a racist, he would say, "Yes I am". Members of the right are glad to have members of minority groups in their parties. Members of the far right would never in a million years accept a non-white as a member of their party. So, while I think we can interact positively with Right (and also Left) parties, we would only interact with a Far Right party in the way Guru Gobind Singh ji interacted with Shah Bahadur: with extreme caution and eyes wide open. Fortunately, there are no strong Far Right parties in most of the English-speaking countries where most Sikhs live outside of our homeland.
  3. Deplorable. The elderly Sikh with white beard can be heard moaning while he clutches his stomach. I wonder what the background of this attack was. Well, I didn't see any kirpans, did you? For the elderly Sikh, his shirt was lifted up, and no kirpan or gatra was visible even if it were under his clothes. Every Sikh should be armed, and you should definitely have a full-size kirpan if you're traveling outside of your area. Your statement could have been improved with the use of the word "some" to avoid generalization:
  4. FYI, "Tohra" is just a shorthand that some shopkeepers (and some turban-wearers) use to describe the color of turban that the longtime President of the SGPC, Gurcharan Singh Tohra, used to wear. Something like this: Avtar Singh (Makker) and other old-time Akali Dal members wore the same color.
  5. Granted. Though on the other hand, do also note that the "mainstream" media and political establishment are not exactly paragons of virtue when it comes to correctness of facts. Such as that one time that the advisers around President George W. Bush wanted desperately to prove a reason for the invasion of Iraq, like Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction? The intelligence community and the New York Times were hard at work manufacturing "proven" facts, which were later shown to be nothing but politically-motivated nuggets of their imaginations.
  6. I wish we could have such pro-Panthic feeling amongst all of Sikhs, even the ones less strong in Rehit. What some Sikhs say when the question of girls falling for Muslims comes up is that we Sikhs yell at our daughters too much and don't put them at an equal level with boys, restrict our girls, and let boys do anything. Uhmm, just one question: Don't Muslims do the same exact thing? So how can you say our girls are weak because we restrict them too much?!
  7. Ah, yes, indeed the elites who have imported these jihadis do not live in Manchester or Birmingham or Tower Hamlets. They live in the tony areas of London and a few other places. Angela Merkel will not have to put up with the problems caused by importing a million "refugees" (only a few are actually from Syria) per year. President Obama just bought a residence in a very exclusive California community. Katy Perry, a singer, said she believes open borders: “Whatever we say behind people’s backs, the Internet can be a little bit ruthless as far as fan bases go but I think that the greatest thing we can do is just unite and love on each other,” Perry said, adding, “No barriers, no borders, we all just need to co-exist.” But ... she has a 10-foot wall around her house! Here's a pic: Walls for me, but not for thee.
  8. Do you have any Youtube links for this? Or keywords or journalist names? I think it's quite tough getting Canadian media personalities on our side just because of the whole Air India tragedy. Of course, it's difficult to know the truth because the CSIS destroyed the evidence. Very convenient. Not all Rebel Media personalities are anti-Sikh. For example, here's Gavin McInnes being interviewed by talkshow host Alex Jones: Gavin McInnes says Sikhs are people who fought against Islam. Against oppression. Their raison d'etre is helping the oppressed. Totally compatible with the West. Host Alex Jones then agrees and says yes, we don't care if you have brown skin.
  9. Btw, Miss ShazU_91 is upset that Katie Hopkins' kids don't want to die in a bomb blast: Shaz 🥀‏ @ShazU_91 May 23 Shaz 🥀Retweeted Katie Hopkins Maybe you need to let your kids be kids then. Horse face c*nt Shaz 🥀added, Katie HopkinsVerified account @KTHopkins My children say they would rather be shot than die slowly by nail bomb. This is the UK today. #ManchesterArena 0 replies1 retweet4 likes May I point out that most people would prefer a quick death to bleeding out slowly and painfully? ShazU is upset that somebody wouldn't want to be the recipient of one of her radical Islamist brothers' nail bombs. Amazing how hard-core non-practicing Muslims can be. It seems to me that most of our non-practicing Sikh girls would never stand up for Sikh issues like Miss ShazU_91. Can anyone explain this?
  10. Liked. Amazing how "journalists" feel free to just brazenly lie about people who they don't happen to favor.
  11. The reasons I believe @ShazU_91 is Muslim are that her profile pic shows her to be an "Asian" looking person, Google images shows more such pics, and links from a Google search for ShazU_91 show various pages where the location is indicated as Pakistan, including a Pakistani cars discussion forum. Additionally, there's this tweet: Shaz 🥀 @ShazU_91 8 May 14 Replying to @l3ahpar @l3ahpar as a born muslim, I've stopped caring. Still don't eat pork but not arsed about halal or not. Shaz 🥀 @ShazU_91 9 Mar 15 Replying to @CaliBesteen @HipsterAllah rather be Muslim than a Hindu 👀 Quite interesting how even non-practicing Muslims are so very nationalistic or Islamist.
  12. Here are some other Twitter responses: @manfaceUK May 23 Replying to @SinghLions I'm from Huddersfield where all my life the Sikh community showed the same supportive community spirit and care, just like today ❤️ Leslie Grantham @LesGranthamReal May 23 Replying to @SinghLions @thelouisemerick Well done sir. #wengerout @simon_gooner May 23 Replying to @SinghLions @Dansullyafc Always found the Sikh community to be top notch! Well played Star4WestBromWest @StarAnderton May 23 Replying to @SinghLions @SteveUnwin01 As ever the generosity of the Sikhs & decent humans beings in Manchester is there for those in need after this cowardly terrorist attack. Here's one negative comment: Nuala Kitty Woulfe @NWoulfeWriter May 23 Replying to @SinghLions @CorkSeashell Seriously, I'd never say a Catholic cab driver or a Protestant.. you don't need to tell me his religion/spiritual beliefs...deceny is human My response: Well, it's like this: you cannot tell a Catholic cabbie from a Protest taxi driver by merely glancing at him. You can with a Sikh in 21st century Britain. Secondly, Sikhs are very often mistaken by some people for Muslims. And that's why we constantly highlight Sikhs doing kind deeds so maybe we can save the life of some random, innocent Sikh. Lastly, I'd like to say all the stuff that Sikhs do, like distributing langar in the community, and just general being-a-good-person, all that stuff does create positive karma which comes back and we get repaid by the Law of Karma.
  13. Sikh24 reported that Gurdwaras were opening their doors to Manchester jihadi attack victims, and also Sikh cabbies were giving free rides to victims. No biggie, right? Wrong. It seems that at least some Muslims and their sympathizers were upset at highlighting this fact. Check out this tweet by a Sikh about Sikh cabbies giving free rides: @dineshjoshi70 applauds @SinghLions and says: Gurudwaras worldwide are messengers of humanity . So are the Sikhs and so do some others. But not Twitter user @ShazU_91. She asks why identify the religion of the good samaritans?: and: Actually what really pisses off Miss ShazU_91 is that normal people appreciate Sikhs' warm and giving personalities and the fact that they are not bombing average British people, and people are figuring out the difference between Sikhs and Muslim, even people like Katie Hopkins in her latest article: What Miss ShazU_91 wants is a united colored peoples front where whenever the latest Islamic terror attack occurs, everybody who isn't white (West Indians, Chinese and other orientals, aboriginals from various places, Indians including Sikhs, Pakistanis, middle-easterners, Africans, North Africans, Latinos, etc.) get lumped into a single category, and no further distinctions are made. And I don't think we should give her what she wants.
  14. While it's not forbidden to do an informal ardaas, it is suggested that if you're not doing a full ardaas, you can do a small ardaas: Basically, you just do the Bhagauti ki vaar pauri, plus remember 10th Guru, and Guru Granth Sahib, and then do your supplication. The reason for doing this is to remember our Gurus before you launch your request. Tuks to keep in mind: First, don't make demands, do supplication: ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਚਾਕਰੁ ਲਗੈ ਚਾਕਰੀ ਜੇ ਚਲੈ ਖਸਮੈ ਭਾਇ ॥ If a servant, performing service, obeys the Will of his Master, ਹੁਰਮਤਿ ਤਿਸ ਨੋ ਅਗਲੀ ਓਹੁ ਵਜਹੁ ਭਿ ਦੂਣਾ ਖਾਇ ॥ His honor increases, and he receives double his wages. ਖਸਮੈ ਕਰੇ ਬਰਾਬਰੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਗੈਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਪਾਇ ॥ But if he claims to be equal to his Master, he earns his Master's displeasure. ਵਜਹੁ ਗਵਾਏ ਅਗਲਾ ਮੁਹੇ ਮੁਹਿ ਪਾਣਾ ਖਾਇ ॥ He loses his entire salary, and is also beaten on his face with shoes. ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਦਿਤਾ ਖਾਵਣਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਸਾਬਾਸਿ ॥ Let us all celebrate Him, from whom we receive our nourishment. ਨਾਨਕ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਚਲਈ ਨਾਲਿ ਖਸਮ ਚਲੈ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ॥੨੨॥ O Nanak, no one can issue commands to the Lord Master; let us offer prayers instead. ||22|| Raag Asa Guru Angad Dev Page:1038 Secondly, be like a child asking for something ceaselessly from your father: ਬਾਰਿਕ ਵਾਂਗੀ ਹਉ ਸਭ ਕਿਛੁ ਮੰਗਾ ॥ Like a child, I ask for everything. ਦੇਦੇ ਤੋਟਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਰੰਗਾ ॥ God is Bountiful and Beautiful; He never comes up empty. ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਮਨਾਈ ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲ ਗੋਪਾਲਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥ Again and again, I fall at His Feet. He is Merciful to the meek, the Sustainer of the World. ||3|| Raag Maajh Guru Arjan Dev page 99
  15. It wasn't a kids concert per se, but rather that Ariana Grande, the singer, is a young woman whose fan base is disproportionately teenage girls. It is being speculated that the reason for the attack is the Muslims dislike music. Keep in mind that when Guru Nanak Dev ji started singing outside of Baghdad, the locals gathered to kill Guru ji for singing.