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  1. A Kara For Sensitive Skin

    It's hard to find a decent bracelet of any kind where I live, even it it's not the kara. I am so tired of painting nail polish on the inside of my kara because of allergies! I will get contact dermatitis otherwise: my skin where it touches the metal can get red and blistery. I heard there were places where a stainless-steel kara can be found, but I've had no luck. the closest thing I can find are link bracelets or something that looks like a watchband. I'd been trying to find something approximately a centimeter wide. Any ideas where i can find somethig that won't react with sensitive skin? Blessed be, Polska
  2. Converting To Sikhism

    Don't worry about being accepted by the Indian Sikhs. A Sikh is a disciple, not an ethnicity; Guruji would not turn down a seeker just because of a trivial thing like skin color. Just keep walking with God and Guru, and tend to the spirit, which is the part of a person that matters most. Acceptance will come on its own, and if it doesn't it is not your problem. Guruji accepts you! Blessed be, Polska Sikh first, American next, White last
  3. Spirits, Curses And Superstitions

    *is it so hard to believe that people would do such a thing...you live a sheltered life in Canada, in Africa and Asia withcraft is an everyday thing.* Life in North America is not as sheltered as you would think. Witchcraft (Paganism) is alive and well here as a religion. I know this. I practiced Wicca (Western European-based witchcraft) before converting to Sikhi. Voodoo and Santeria are new-world pagan traditions that came over from Africa, but over the years have become almost as American as apple pie. I'm sure that our Canadian friend knows that witch traditions exist here too. Evil spirits, curses etc are just catch-all names given to the natural fears and baser emotions of a human being. I'm not afraid of ghosts. The dead can't hurt me; the living who can do me harm, those are the ones who make me nervous. And yes, Ardaas and Simran are the best of cures for those fears and emotions. Blessed be, Polska
  4. Goreh Names

    I had it coming to me. It's an example of karma in action, and what goes around comes around. Literally! For a long time I thought I'd never marry; we call it in Western culture "Always a bridesmaid, never a bride." And I resented the brides, long ago. I'd sit and watch America's Funniest Videos and fall over laughing when some poor girl got her dress caught on a nail and ripped half off, in front of her church and family, or if she said 'Until Death Do Us Fart" or some such thing. In our gurudwara, we keep the Granth Sahib on a platform which is also on a platform spanning across the front of the main hall; the building was once a Lutheran church, and this platform was where the altar stood and the minister preached. On each side, there were three steps down to the main floor where the sangat sits. It was on the fourth round that I tripped down the side stairs, and I busted out laughing like a madwoman. What was I going to do, sit and whine? I knew I had it coming, God picked the best place for it, and I like to think we were both laughing. Blessed be, BahaPolska
  5. Goreh Names

    STILL, Charlotte Kaur Patel, dont sound right. It's realy BAD ! 108926[/snapback] Charlotte, feminine form of Old Frankish Charles, meaning The Strong...a good quality for a Sikh, wouldn't you think? Polska, Who is no less a Sikh
  6. Goreh Names

    "Sikh" in quote marks? Please don't judge this girl! A name is not all there is to a Sikh. I have a cat named Stosh, a Polish name, and one named Ryoko-Sakura which is Japanese, and both are still cats! Because of marriage laws in New York State, my legal name is Elizabeth Singh. I wanted to take Kaur, but was not allowed unless I paid a colossal sum of money for legal name change, then you have to go to a judge and prove you're not a wanted felon or someone who owes back child support or some such garbage. It doesn't seem to matter in the sangat; to them I am Bahadur Kaur, period. Fine by me. I was able to drop my middle name and take on Bahadur at least; but on the job, and for anything involving a signature, I have to be Elizabeth on the dotted line. I frankly don't care. Does our Divine Creator love an Elizabeth less than a Bahadur? I was Elizabeth (meaning "consecrated to God," by the way) when Guruji kicked me into Sikhi; my spiritual name came to me some months later, and the only reason I believe it did is because of my Catholic background. When Confirmed, a person often takes or receives a second name to symbolize the moving forward, the next step. And realize that for all my swimming in Sikhi, it can't wash the Pole out of me. I am and will always be western, and I can't cast it off. I don't think I was meant to. I was made what I am; I'm not ashamed of being Polish, so why NOT carry Elzbieta next to Bahadur? My hukam is to walk with one foot in Warsaw and the other in Amritsar. In keeping my given name I am honoring the people who suffered or died in the camps, and the ones who risked everything to fight the Nazis; I am honoring Lech Walesa and the Solidarity Union, who fought to end the corrupt rule of the Communists, because they were the ones who opened the door to the fall of the Iron Curtain. And in taking the name Bahadur (not my first choice, I believe it was given to me by a higher power) I am opening room to grow in the path before me, a new spiritual dimension, and giving honor to those who put into writing the things I believe, long before I knew what they were. You should have been to my wedding... first, for all the valiant effort of the Granthi, he made mush of my name; second, during Ardaas a special intention for the health of my father who would not attend the ceremony was made, and you should have heard the mess made of Miroslaw Szczepanski! I had to hand him a paper with my father's name written phonetically for the poor fellow. Nothing against Bhai-sahib, he just never knew a Polish person before me! And, to cap it, I tripped and fell during the walk around Granth Sahib. Blessed be, BahaPolska
  7. getting a new kirpan?

    ...and by the way, what is a shastar? Many thanks!!! Blessed be, Polska
  8. getting a new kirpan?

    Kumi I thought better of you. That is a horrible way to say it. Kirpans dont just kill, they defend. Remember when that sword goes into the hands of a Sikh it becomes a Kirpan and can only be used for defense unlike anyother weapon. :doh: 107485[/snapback] DOES IT KILL YES sooo eat my kachera Admin Note : Your id is Under moderation. Thanks 107527[/snapback] The KIRPAN, in and of itself, does not kill. Right now mine is hanging in my closet waiting for my next run to the gurudwara, and no one in my home is in danger. IDIOTS with Kirpans, who act in anger-lust and don't know how to use the Kirpan, and don't know what responsibility it carries with the privilege of wearing it, are the ones who kill. Don't blame the Kirpan for what a <banned word filter activated> may do with it. Blessed be, Polska
  9. Leaflets for non-Sikhs

    Now keep a little cool-headed about Goray; you're reading a post from one right now, and if we were all that bad you would find me on this site or in a gurudwara. The only people out there that will not care if it's kesh or turban, are idiots and closed-minded. And believe me they come in every race and color. The important thing is that we do try to educate and enlighten. Haven't you ever been walking in a city and seen a small army of Christian people passing out tracts? Most of them, if accepted at all, get tossed in the nearest trashbucket unread. Maybe one of a hundred who take the paper may read it and come to think at least about their perceptions of Christians, if nothing else. I've written before that I dislike conversion tactics and pressure, because many of the tract-passers are lousy examples of their faith. I am more impressed at the behavior and character of a person than all the words they could throw at me without much to back it up. The character of the Sikhs is one of the reasons I converted! I think it's a great idea to make up information literature and leave it out because there WILL be someone who will look at it and look at the Sikhs in a different light. Yes, you'll find elitist, racist jerks. That is the nature of this beast, I'm afraid. But you'll find good and intelligent people, too, who aren't afraid of having their minds and souls challenged; and you'll find Goray among them, and they will care because you'll have provided the best testimony in good conduct and character. Blessed be, Polska
  10. Insulted in front of ALL sangat

    I understand the hand thing, and I'm not surprised. Pentecostal Christians, who believe in showing their form of Chardi Kala by waving their hands high up as if to reach heaven while singing hymns or "speaking in tongues" do this on a regular basis, and because of this I see no reason to judge this brother. If God means for him to show his joy in a certain way, why not go with it? And I can see why Naam Simran and not Ardas. Simran has a different effect on a person's consciousness and is meant to express Anand in a different way than Ardas does. Why men and women on opposite sides? In most cases it makes sense, like when the one fellow said about who knows what can happen if married couples or even dating people mess around diring kirtan. Of course, it goes both ways...I bust my chops to look at and understand the English screen, and there's a gaggle of women nearby who will go on and on about recipes or what company makes the best diapers etc. It's just as irritating as any other distraction. On my very first visit to the gurudwara my husband, who knows well enough about the male-female separation, took it on himself to sit with me to interpret the kirtan. We didn't have the powerpoint screen then, and all I had was this gutka that's English-Punjabi. The granthi interrupted his speaking to tell my husband, in front of the sangat, to move to the other side, and that I was being improper for having him there to begin with. A nice lady of the congregation knew what was happening and sat in as interpreter. I understand the granthi got raked over the coals for this later, told that he had not trashed a visitor, but a convert who wanted to ask about amrit and membership in the congregation! That unpleasantness put me off asking about Amrit for quite a while. I've had a lot of experience with different faiths and practices, and for this reason I don't judge this fellow who got dumped on by members of his congregation. They were the ones in error. You don't shame a person before God and everybody! If there is a concern or problem, take the person aside in a quiet talk, for Heaven's sake, and don't make him feel like an <banned word filter activated>. When I went to Catholic school, a lot of the old nuns thought that correct teaching meant shaming a student in front of the class for everything from messing up a test to having weight trouble, like that has anything to do with learning. They know better now. Maybe that's because so many from my old class left the church. Blessed be, Polska
  11. language barrier for converts?

    If that's for me, my apologies! I'm a good one for both getting off the map, and getting hot under the collar! Not a bad idea, the word a day thing! May I suggest a special section on grammar? Like how to properly conjugate verbs and the proper pronoun usage; also, how words are used and formed if plural, or if you're talking to a group or elder as opposed to your buddy. Blessed be, BahaPolska
  12. Thank you friend, although I sometimes don't feel worthy...I remember days when I was so poor I stole to make sure my cat was better fed than I, and my decision to leave Catholicism literally tore my family apart to the point that my one surviving relative, my foster-brother, still won't speak to me. I have a lot of nasty karma to clean up, with God's grace. I am not offended by your question; in fact, I'm a freak for religion talk and I could sit for days over coffee and talk about it! The fact is, I didn't stay with Christianity because I came to believe that Jesus is not divine, not the "Son of God" the way Christianity teaches. I'm like your mom. I think Jesus was a good and great man, chosen by God to deliver a message to his people and give them hope and liberation in their troubled times. He was the Guru Nanak of the Roman-occupied Jews; the message was similar. Jesus was also against showy, superficial worship. There's a Bible story about how a rich man came to the temple in fine clothing and made a big stink about giving a boatload of money, followed by a poor woman in rags who gave one little coin in humble silence. He said that the poor widow actually gave the greater gift, because all she had was the one coin. Jesus was against the outward forms of ritual worship, which by the time of Roman occupation had become corrupted, and taught a simple message, The Truth Shall Set You Free. No, I don't have a problem with Jesus. He never said he was God. That came later: the dying and rising god thing is far more ancient than Jesus and can be found in Roman, Egyptian, Celtic and Norse mythology. Odin, like Jesus, is also said to have been hung on a tree. The nature of Christian doctrine won't allow for many groups like you're taliking about to come up. The Unitarian/Universalists come closest, in my opinion. You can find discussion clubs anywhere, but people who have come to believe that Jesus is not a divine being are generally either atheists or secular humanists, or go into non-Christian, alternative faiths like Wicca. I know one girl who became Muslim, two guys who became Jews, looking for their spiritual home. Christian dogma comes less from the Gospels (the life and acts of Jesus) and more from Paul (an early Roman Jew who first said Jesus was divine.) One can't separate the belief in the Trinity (God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same, and all divine) from worship and practice; if you don't believe that Jesus is God and died on the cross to take away sin, you can't call yourself Christian. And that's my answer to your question, after so much gabbing on my part: I left the Christians because I believe God is one, and to believe in a divine Jesus would be hypocrisy. God is perfect. Why then come down to earth and go through the cross business? God can forgive my sins and give me life under His own power. He needs no help. If he needed help, he wouldn't be God. Christianity was not my home, and I didn't feel at home spiritually until coming to Sikhi. The interfaith movement is a growing baby in thousands of years of human spirituality, a baby that's learning to talk and walk yet. I prefer to look at it that way...we all have a lot to learn from one another, but many of us need to open our minds, whether Christian, Sikh or Muslim or any other path under the sun. And the baby has to fall on its butt a few times while learning. Sooner or later, it'll be running like the wind. Blessed be, BahaPolska
  13. language barrier for converts?

    :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: you could have just said "join them instead of trying to help others" What and insult, are we trying to bury the issue again? 107888[/snapback] Please be aware that I am a new member to this forum, and unfamiliar with what you're saying. There was no insult intended. In fact, I feel somewhat the injured party, because it seems you've snapped off on me without due cause. What is this issue which you seem to think I'm burying? The 3HO website came to mind only because I know it relates to English speaking Sikhs, and was not trying to proselytize you into joining this organization. I do not believe in conversion tactics. I do not belong to to 3HO myself, and I know of no other site or group that specifically relates to Western or English-speaking Sikhs. If you can find one better, then enlighten me. Polska
  14. I'm speaking as an ex-Christian here, maybe give a bit of perspective... Now I'm not trying to trash either of these faiths, but I do believe that human beings really warped a lot of the teachings. It is written in the Bible that Jesus said "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel..." and many Christian believers fail to realize that, in those days, "all the world" was Rome and a bunch of surrounding colonies, and bits of Europe and North Africa. And the Gospel was NOT "Worship Jesus." Nowhere does Jesus say in the Bible that he should be worshiped. The gospel he referred to was repent, come to God, and you'll be saved. He didn't teach Naam Simran as such, but he did teach his people to come back and remember God. The Bible is not the problem, nor Jesus, a holy man. The problem is what I call the Political Church that ruled most of Europe with an iron-fisted dictatorship, ruining a simple movement by a simple carpenter. The Church could legally take the property of heretics, and got fat on the Inquisition. When the witch-burning craze died out, the expansion began: colonization of the "new world," enslavement of Blacks and Native Americans, and such sins that continued into the twentieth century as the United States rounded up Japanese Americans into concentration camps for God and Country. You're speaking of a form of Christianity known as Evangelical, where they teach that for a believer's salvation they must go out and get more believers. I do not trash them for their beliefs. I do take offense to their own sense of self-importance, for many believe that they are the only right ones. I find this especially among American believers. There is a teaching in some Evangelical circles that certain parts of the Bible were written two and a half thousand years ago solely and specifically for the USA and the American people, and this is dangerous. We are having the problems with AlQaeda now because this form of Christianity teaches that the forming of Israel was the first step to the end times, and that the "true believers" will be carried up in a "rapture" and will not experience destruction (Armageddon.) In other words, they will not reap the fruits of their arrogance. Yes, there are parallels with Christianity and Islam. They come from the same source, the MidEast. Shariah has a lot in common with the Books of the Law in the Old Testament. Both have missionary zeal, the legacy of the prophets of that part of the world in the days the Bible is said to have been written. But maybe you've heard it said that some people can't get along because they are too much alike, and I think this is the case, going all the way back to the Crusades: each wanted Jerusalem for itself, and to this day they fight like two little kids over a toy. Myself, I think that Jerusalem should be made an independent city-state like the Vatican, and governed by a United Nations delegation so that Christians, Jews and Muslims (and everyone else) can have free access, and the fighting can stop. The importance of Jerusalem to the history of our world is enormous. And just as the Golden Temple has four walls to be open to all the world, so should this city. But it won't be in our lifetimes, not until people get over their self-importance, their egos, this "My faith's better than yours" garbage. We'll never have any peace until we all realize that our neighbor has a right to his or her own conscience, and we can all sit side by side in full trust and love of the ones who don't believe as we do. Because there are many paths up the mountain, and all should reach the top. Blessed be, BahaPolska

    Simply put, I came to Sikhi because Waheguruji turned me in its direction, and kicked my butt so I could fall into it! :TH: But I'm taking a little poetic license in that description. I came into it by way of my biggest hobby, comparative religious studies. I came from a Polish Catholic family, went to Catholic school, took the big steps: First Confession, First Communion, Confirmation. I made Confirmation under protest: I didn't feel that I could honestly get up there and tell the Bishop that I was going to be a Catholic for the rest of my life, when I had issues over some of the church teachings. Why did I do it? Because my father got drunk, beat the hell out of me and told me that if I didn't get confirmed the next punishment would be sexual. (He was a sick man, made that way by Hitler.) So I became a hypocrite to save my skin, did the ceremony, and left the church. (I don't blame the church. It didn't do anything to me. But I believe that women are as capable of leading a congregation as men, and that celibacy isn't necessary to serve God; other ministers marry and it makes them better advisors to their congregations.) So I went about looking for God. I went with the Mormons for a while, and for the worst possible reason: I had a crush on a Mormon guy. One word of advice for you all--never, NEVER get into a faith for the sake of another person because that person becomes your god and you forget the Divine Creator! But even after the guy didn't work out, I stayed a while, feeling like I was crashing a party I hadn't been invited to. And afterward I went into a two-year hermitage to figure out where I was supposed to go. I didn't find that out, but I did find out one thing: I wasn't a true Christian. I didn't believe that Jesus is divine, a Son of God in the literal sense; I realized I believed he was a man, a prophet and a holy man, a guru among his people, but a man. And God was too big to be put into a box, into one little form: God was in my cat and the blizzards that hit Buffalo, not only Father but Mother, Friend and Lover. I would not find this among the Christianity I knew, and would not be a hypocrite a second time. I floundered around for a time then, playing with Wicca and Shamanism, realizing all the time that they weren't where I belonged; nowhere did I feel at home. I read my books, eating up everything I could on religion, which was my biggest interest since childhood. And then I found a copy of Dasam Granth. I wanted to yell off the top of City Hall! Here was everything I'd come to believe during my hermitage, and someone many centuries ago had written it. That was when God turned me around and kicked me into Sikhism, because then I ran into the man who would be my teacher and husband, a friend of one of my ex-boyfriends. He taught me who the Sikhs are, told me the glorious hymns and the mighty history. I knew I was home. I'd found God's House at last. I also knew that as a Westerner I had to fight for my home. I lost my job over the right to wear my kara and kirpan, and would do it again. The name Bahadur came to me as I read Kirtan Sohila for my dead foster-mother; it's now my middle name and the one the Indian Sikhs use to address me. For them, there is no Elizabeth, and they no longer call me The Polack. I am here because I was meant to be. For whatever reason, I'm here and trying to keep to the path the best I can. Waheguruji will let me know why I'm here, when we're both good and ready. All I know is, I'm here and I'm home, and you can't beat that. Blessed be, BahaPolska
  16. language barrier for converts?

    Sometimes re-inventing can be benificial in the end, sometimes you have to take chage and start something new. New mexico, umm, i live in bc canada, a slight difference. A groups should be started here, and i was thinking of a internet group for now. Could you give me link or number? 107881[/snapback] www.3ho.com
  17. language barrier for converts?

    Welcome, Friend, to the world of the Western Sikhs, that exotic species that some look at and say, "What on earth is that?" I am to my knowledge the only American Sikh woman who regularly attends both our local gurudwaras, and heck yes, there IS a language barrier and a mighty one at that! Only in the past year did both gurudwaras go bilingual, with a huge screen up front where they show the English translations of the Bani and Hukams. We do go to Punjabi class, but the language comes slowly to me; I have a learning disability similar to dyslexia. You must understand that in every ethnic cluster in a given area, people are going to try like all hell to hold on to their cultures. A great example is the Polish community of Buffalo, New York, my hometown. English is hard for foreigners to learn, especially if one comes from the Slavic cultures; and to get together in Polish markets and bars, and churches where Mass was said in Polish, was a comfort zone for people who were trying to get along in a new country. I think it's the same with the Indian Sikhs who've emigrated to North America or UK: they know they need English to get along, but like the comfort of knowing they're among their own, wearing the clothing and eating the food of their culture. A lady at one gurudwara recently told me how she begged and pleaded at her job for Sundays off: she said it was the only time she could speak her language, wear her salwar kameez (considered at her job to be party clothing and inappropriate for the office) and kirpan (my job won't even let me wear a little bitty necklace) and eat the food she knew from her childhood. The older Indians who go about speaking all Punjabi are the forerunners of Sikhi in the West, and we do owe them a debt of gratitude for opening the door to us converts (I am not Amritdhari, but hope to be soon; I converted 4 years ago.) But I don't blame them for holding so strict and fast to their language and such. Their children are cutting their hair off and setting the turban aside in an attempt to be Western, to blend in, and it's a shame. I love the long, flowing beards and the princely look of the turban, and told my husband I'd kick his butt if he even thought of getting a haircut! The parents are afraid of losing their kids to the frankly decadent, fashion-driven Western culture. Can you blame them at all for wanting to keep a grasp on the rich heritage that is their birthright? I find that the older folks here may want to speak Punjabi among themselves and are pleased when addressed in the native tongue by American visitors and their two converts, but they recognize that some things must evolve and move into the new millennium. That's why they've gone bilingual in Buffalo. We have a lot of people who want to investigate the faith--most notably gays in the past two years, who find Sikhism more gay-friendly than other religions. And because our two gurudwaras are heavily politically involved and participate in interfaith work, we have many non-Sikh guests. It would be rude to exclude these people, and make the Sikhs look like a bunch of elitist jerks for making them sit through something they can't understand. It's slow, but the language barrier is breaking down. I do hope they will continue to sing Bani in Gurmukhi, as it was meant to be sung; there is a beautiful holiness to the language, like Latin to the Catholics, and it takes the worshiper into a place in the mind where one can talk to God more deeply. I'm glad for the screen and the downloads from Sikhi To the Max because I can understand what I'm singing along with. It may be that the Western Converts may have a special purpose in this day and age: we are the link between cultures and faiths and may help others understand who we are, what we do and why. A lot of Christian people (especially in the USA)have a severe distrust of any Eastern faith, more from lack of knowledge than anything else. After 9/11 there are a lot who confuse Sikhs with Muslims and think anyone in a turban is about to throw a bomb. Maybe we'll be the ones to convince them that we don't throw bombs, we're not a cult, and that peace must be sought first before other ways of settling matters ("When all *other means* have failed, it is righteous to draw the sword.") Sooner or later we'll find that, no matter how we say, in the end we are all speaking the same language. Blessed be, BahaPolska
  18. I got a strong message a couple months back that I should start covering my head so I started pinning my hair up and wearing various scarves and things... I was buying kerchief-like coverings from one lady until I learned she was on a message board where they were trashing Sikhs, so she's not getting my business. But I want to go further, I want to wear dastaar. Ladies in dastaar look like queens. But HOW? Not one lady at our local gurudwaras wears dastaar and could not show me how to do it; and I hear the wrapping is different for ladies. In fact they're kind of shocked that a lady would want to. I have my reasons... my hair is sacred. I'm so tired of people at work making Pippi Longstocking jokes, and I can't stand having men mess with my hair. Other men I mean; my husband has a right to touch my hair, anyone else gets smacked. I also figure, if Sikhi is to be equal for all, then I must do things as equally as a man: I must sing simran, wear kirpan and keep my kesh, just like a man; therefore I must wear keski like a man, because Guruji said it was for all. There is no separate Rehit for each sex, after all. Are there any Princesses out there who do wear dastaar? If so, I'd love some tips on wrapping it right! Blessed be, BahaPolska
  19. There's a fella here who ends his posts with a description of the kakkars and things which are supposed to be against Rehit like meat-eating etc. and he said makeup and mehndi were forbidden. Now I ask: what if certain cosmetics are a necessity for protection? To explain, I'm very fair-skinned and sun-allergic. I'll burn to the point of blistering in less than a half hour without high-octane sunscreen, and I wear a face makeup with sunscreen as well. It also serves to even the skin tone, because fair people can show a lot of redness from broken capillaries and such. So makeup for me isn't some paint to go looking like a tart, but to protect myself from skin cancer. I figure that Waheguruji gave me this skin and body for a reason and it is my responsibility to take care of it. And the last thing I want is a skin cancer. My best buddy's mom is dying of cancer right now, from a melanoma which spread all over the body, and she used to go tanning like crazy when she was young. So where is the line drawn?
  20. Makeup, mehndi etc

    No prob... yes, I am Polish-American, born from Polish biological parents and adopted by Polish Immigrants when my parents were killed in an accident, no other blood relatives in the US (I was a baby and don't remember them.) Maybe that makes me double Polish? My foster parents were older, and had been through the Nazi camps. They were part of the Underground and had helped Jews get out of the country. The "Baha" part of the name comes from Bahadur, which is now my middle name. Blessed be!
  21. Questions for the Amritdhare

    For a long time I've been desiring to take Amrit. But when I ask anyone about it, they try to change the subject or suddenly need to go to the john or something and I learn absolutely nothing! I feel like I'm trying to join the Masons or something, and no one wants to let the secret out of the bag. What I've been asking isn't can I, or when, but what must I do beforehand? Like must one be fluent in Punjabi (I'm not; we go to a bilingual gurudwara or else I'd know nothing from Bani) or must you fully memorize Nitnem etc.? All I want to know is what I need before I move forward, and I so wish someone would just TELL me instead of hedging it. There has to be a few of Amritdhari out here. Any advice from those who know best? Blessed be!
  22. Questions for the Amritdhare

    Thank you, Bhai-sahib, along with everyone else, for some good, wise words. Maybe you're right. Thinking on our local gurudwaras, there is one that is highly orthodox and one more liberal; one more isolationist, one that teaches that the Indian sangat must learn to deal with the West. And I'm a Westerner, like it or not. Matter of fact I am one of only two non-Indian Americans at both our local gurudwaras, and I think I weird out some of the sangat. I spent a good while being referred to as The Polack until I got married and my father-in-law very loudly called me Bahadur Kaur as he led the ceremony. My husband (Indian but born in the USA) and I both take Punjabi class, and work to improve ourselves by talking Punjabi to our cats. He wants to re-take Amrit, as he believes he broke Rehit sometime before meeting me by drinking booze. He was required to memorise Nitnem, but another lady we know was not; and someone in Canada was willing to administer Amrit sight unseen. But this was during the SARS scare, my husband is in AIDS research and his company were forbidden to go to Canada until it was contained, so we missed out. So we hear all kinds of different stuff. You can see why I get so frustrated sometimes! If a wiser person thought I was not ready, I wouldn't mind them saying so, and telling me where I need to work. That's constructive and for my greater good. But it irritates the stuffing out of me to NOT get a straight answer. I'm a grown lady, don't treat me like I'm dumber than a rock! Thanks again, Bhai-ji! And thumbs up to you :doh: for noticing (and knowing!) the Polish sig! Blessed be, BahaPolska