MrDoaba

Here's a Punjabi explanation of my Bhamanvaadi:

I'm also wondering if the use of the aad chand has similar origins - one of the other Kshatri lineages are called 'Somvanshi' or 'Chandarvanshi'? Of course I'm just speculating but do you think it's a possibility?

Would I be correct in assuming that this is Guru Nanak Dev Jis lineage? Does this mean by using sunflower oil I'm unwittingly committing an act of Bhamanvaad? Thanks for the info btw. Are there any more sources which mention this? And thanks for the pictures too, they're brilliant.

Bro she's doing it for marriage. Prince Harry is a baptised member of CofE. There are plenty of those who identify as Anglican who are not baptised, same as us. Amritdharis usually only marry Amritdharis.

I have often thought to myself that Namdharis would make the most devout Sikhs. In general they're one kattar bunch. It's odd to think that at one point they had a rather cordial relationship with mainstream Sikhs - lots of cooperation with all traditional Sampardas.

The real question is what's not considered Bhamanvaad these days? I'm surprised someone hasn't declared shastar to be Bhamanvaad seeing as Devi Devte used them first. Now that you mention it, the whole concept makes more sense. Certainly cleared it up somewhat for me. Couldn't have said it better myself. Question for you now that you've started this Bhamanvaad, tell me more of the lineage of Guru Sahib i.e. Suryavanshi. I have only read about this briefly and people are reluctant to discuss it. Give us the jist. Chetaavani - you're in a highly Hinduphobic environment.

I did read the whole thing. And I don't see anthing wrong with it (the RSS thing was sarcasm too), in fact I find it more than believable.

Bro are you an undercover RSS agent? 'Cus I think you just blew your cover. Jai Mata Di

If anything, I think Brexit could possibly work in favour of Sikhs now that the UK will once again be a sovereign state. Or it could go completely the other way, we all know what whitey can be like. Plus now India doesn't have to contend with the EU, so they might proceed with the buggery of Britain.

The economy, employment, public services, and quite possibly quality of life. Not to mention the UK receives plenty of EU funding. The UK economy is reliant and dependent on that of the EU as are many other aspects of life. It's all heavily intertwined, so to leave would be like getting a tattoo removed by someone with Parkinson's - an extremely difficult and painful process, hence why the government can't agree on much of it and why we're facing a bit of a sh!t storm. I'm not suggesting we leave the country though. It's a ridiculous idea tbh. We wanted Brexit for some of the same reasons Texas wants to secede from the Union. But I'm not entirely sure we have the bollocks to pull it off successfully.

It's more than just visiting other countries visa-free. That's probably the last thing on people's mind. It's Regrexit.

Thanks for the link but unfortunately it doesn't answer anything, it's mostly opinion. I agree that it probably makes more sense to recite Chandi Di Vaar in the morning or during the day. However, I still think that particular maryada has no foundation, and is highly impractical, especially if one should need to utilise the power of this Bani after sunset. Until some logical explanation is provided, I cannot agree to it. I don't think it should be promoted either.

Wear a fabric head wrap/headband under your patka. It will provide padding and prevent cuts.

During the struggle for Indian Independence, Ireland was barely standing on its own two feet and it only became a republic after India gained independence. Plus they didn't have much of a place in the international arena at this point, and were still mired in their own politics. There was no incentive for Indians or Sikhs to go there nor were there any benefits. As for the Sikh Independence movement, well again there were no benefits to be gained from migrating to Ireland. Attitudes were still quite conservative in those days, so seeing a foreigner let alone someone in SIkh Roop would probably have been met with some hostility. The economy of Ireland wasn't great either. In terms of fighting for a similar cause, there could have possibly been some mutual assistance between Kharkus and the IRA but there would have been too many factors to take into consideration; the name of SIkhs being tarnished further on top of being an already marginalised qaum, repercussions for even greater numbers of Sikhs back in Punjab now that we know of the British governements role in '84 (although had we known at the time, this would have been a reason to join forces in the first place), and some ideological differences, to name a few. Despite all this I can't help but imagine what a lethal force a Sikh arm of the IRA would have been. It's a shame they didn't blow that kanjari up in 1984, she and Indira could have taken a ride to nark together. How do you think it will strengthen our community's hand in terms of the Sikh Independence movement? There's no longer widespread support for the IRA or for the Unification of Ireland, and many Irish folk are fed up with violence or those who have used violence in the past - it's not a given but I'm not sure if there would be much solidarity or support for Sikh self-determination. Then again, I'm being cynical.

I've looked into this before. As far as I know British Citizens enjoy pretty much the same rights in Ireland as they do at home. You're entitled to most freedoms as Irish Citizens are - healthcare, education, benefits. This predates European Law. I don't think there's many Sikhs but there's probably at least one Gurdwara. As for employment prospects, it most likely depends on which sector you plan on working in. There will be some discrimination, Ireland is predominantly white and they have a strong Catholic identity, even the non-religious, so some form of (institutional) racism presumably still lingers. However, they have worked hard to modernising society in general and some immigrant communities have settled. I get the impression they're not particularly keen on the British, although I may be stereotyping somewhat. I guess there is some correlation between the Irish independence struggle and that of Sikhs. The treaty we have with Ireland should still stand post-Brexit (hopefully) should you choose to relocate. Tiocfaidh ár lá!

I understand you choose to trust that story and that's fine. But have you asked yourself why one must continue to recite it? My point was it is a biography, not an autobiography, so it should be questioned. Especially given the fact that it does not state why it has to be recited all night or what the significance is. It's also worth mentioning how impractical that maryada is - Sikhs used to fight what is essentially guerrilla warfare at times, what if a Sikh needed to recite it after sunset, do you think they would have time to have a shower, get a clean sheet, and sit comfortably with a jot beside them? And then continue reciting all night? Time is of the essence.

I respect your views but Se Kinehiya is a biography and so it is subject to scrutiny. People are well within their rights to question what has been written in it. I find it odd that that a Bani which may need to be recited at a moments notice at any time of the day would come with such a maryada. It doesn't say why it shouldn't be read after sunset or what would happen if one did decide to read it. You should ask yourself these questions.

Ironically, Namdharis do this. The Queen is head of the Church of England as well as Head of State.

It was good entertainment for those days. Interesting observation, but wouldn't that be the case for many straight couples - the getting over the lust part, or have I misinterpreted what you mean? And what is meant by 'desire similar attributes', do you mean in terms of orientation or general human attributes regarless of gender?

Reminds me of that programme Snog, Marry, Avoid on BBC3 a good few years back. Hahaha

Why? What does this represent?

Does that mean his works are not for public consumption today as most the community have very little knowledge of Farsi? Personally for me, this reason does not suffice as to why the Zafarnama was composed in Farsi. Guru Gobind Singh Ji clearly had an affinity for Farsi beyond communicating with the Mughals in their official language. We're not going to get anywhere in regards to this, so lets agree to disagree. As someone who is somewhat in the Sanatan Sikh camp I don't disagree with you here. As I've stated in another post, I prefer Sanskritised or original Punjabi to the Persianised variety and my endeavour to promote Farsi albeit connected to Punjabi and Sikhi, does not imply that I am favouring or promoting any Perso-Arabic influence, or at least heavy and unnecessary influence, in vernacular/colloquial Punjabi. If one should choose to pursue Farsi, it should be as a standalone task. The problem we face here though is uncalled-for accusations of Bhamanvaad, something which I have personally faced, including from family. With high rates of aversion to anything even remotely seen as 'Hindu', Sanatan/Puratan, and to traditional Sampardas, it will be no easy undertaking, especially when such strong post-Singh Sabha ideology is still being pushed onto the masses. As for any purge attempted, where would the line be drawn? The link between Punjab and Sikhi is too close to completely remove influence. I am proud of my own ethnicity, I haven't stated otherwise. Punjabis like a lot of ethnicities aren't homogeneous, but are still a distinct quam. I haven't read the Rig Ved so I cannot comment but my point was about the two languages of the time, something which you yourself mentioned in the other thread.

While you and many others don't like her or what she did due to the fact she was probably doing it for GOI, personally I commend her simply for the reason that at least she knows where her true loyalties lie and that she actually had it in her to try and pull off a stunt like that. I hardly see apne in positions of power using it to their quams benefit. I say let the UK governemnt see how it feels to not be privy to something so large scale for a change, serves them right. She did their behsti big time, couldn't even formally sack her lol. Although, was she really even doing it for GOI? Israel and India have close well documented relations, specifically in terms of the military. Why would they need her as a go-between, especially in face to face meetings, which in this day and age aren't exactly inconspicuous?

Yes, to an extent. To this day many Jatts seem to erroneously think they are the 'true' Sikhs, and ironically that they follow original unaltered Sikhi. As someone from a Jatt background I have witnessed many conversations between the oldies which encapsulate the above. Example convo: Oldie 1: Oh did you know Mr A Singhs son is getting married to Mr B Singhs daughter, but they're *insert non-Jatt caste here*? Oldie 2: Really? What can you do, kids these days. Chalo *insert non-Jatt caste here* call themselves Sikhs too, they go to the Gurdwara, and I'm sure they do lots of seva. Plus so and so was a *insert non-Jatt surname* too. Both: Sikhi doesn't have caste really though but your Jaat is your Jaat HANNA?! Non-Jatt castes have non-Sikh traditions though, we don't. Both: Eh vi gal sai ah. Etc, etc etc. I'm sure we all get the picture. When I was younger I was baffled by these convos and what these comments meant, and it wasn't until I was older that I realised that this is what casteism was. When I joined in I would ask what was meant and say things along the lines of "but we know they're quite obviously Sikh, why are you saying it in such a way as to imply they are not Sikh just because they aren't Jatt?" To which their reply would be...well nothing, or a sentence which just trails off and stops midway through. It's so deeply ingrained into the Jatt psyche. However, we can't put all the blame on Jatts though, others castes can be just as guilty. It's not just Sikhs who practise casteism btw, it extends to many Pakistani Punjabis too (mostly the Jatt ones) and to other Indian Muslim communities such as Khatris. I know of many who would absolutely not accept people of different castes for their kids. Anyway here's who I believe is truly responsible for this caste nonsense: Lol

Do you handle chemicals in the lab?