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  1. #freejagginow

    While you and many others don't like her or what she did due to the fact she was probably doing it for GOI, personally I commend her simply for the reason that at least she knows where her true loyalties lie and that she actually had it in her to try and pull off a stunt like that. I hardly see apne in positions of power using it to their quams benefit. I say let the UK governemnt see how it feels to not be privy to something so large scale for a change, serves them right. She did their behsti big time, couldn't even formally sack her lol. Although, was she really even doing it for GOI? Israel and India have close well documented relations, specifically in terms of the military. Why would they need her as a go-between, especially in face to face meetings, which in this day and age aren't exactly inconspicuous?
  2. Is Sikhism really hijacked by Jattism ?

    Yes, to an extent. To this day many Jatts seem to erroneously think they are the 'true' Sikhs, and ironically that they follow original unaltered Sikhi. As someone from a Jatt background I have witnessed many conversations between the oldies which encapsulate the above. Example convo: Oldie 1: Oh did you know Mr A Singhs son is getting married to Mr B Singhs daughter, but they're *insert non-Jatt caste here*? Oldie 2: Really? What can you do, kids these days. Chalo *insert non-Jatt caste here* call themselves Sikhs too, they go to the Gurdwara, and I'm sure they do lots of seva. Plus so and so was a *insert non-Jatt surname* too. Both: Sikhi doesn't have caste really though but your Jaat is your Jaat HANNA?! Non-Jatt castes have non-Sikh traditions though, we don't. Both: Eh vi gal sai ah. Etc, etc etc. I'm sure we all get the picture. When I was younger I was baffled by these convos and what these comments meant, and it wasn't until I was older that I realised that this is what casteism was. When I joined in I would ask what was meant and say things along the lines of "but we know they're quite obviously Sikh, why are you saying it in such a way as to imply they are not Sikh just because they aren't Jatt?" To which their reply would be...well nothing, or a sentence which just trails off and stops midway through. It's so deeply ingrained into the Jatt psyche. However, we can't put all the blame on Jatts though, others castes can be just as guilty. It's not just Sikhs who practise casteism btw, it extends to many Pakistani Punjabis too (mostly the Jatt ones) and to other Indian Muslim communities such as Khatris. I know of many who would absolutely not accept people of different castes for their kids. Anyway here's who I believe is truly responsible for this caste nonsense: Lol
  3. Beard/mustache growing help

    Do you handle chemicals in the lab?
  4. Beard/mustache growing help

    Get a good beard shampoo bro. Don't ever use shampoo made for your head, too harsh. Personally I use one made by By My Beard which I randomly spotted in a chemist. It's a bargain and doesn't irritate my face. You can use oil if you wish but it doesn't always do the trick - it depends on your skin. After washing, pat dry your beard and try using 'Simple Rich Replenshing Moisturiser' in place of the oil, it's definitely rich and has an ever so slightly greasy feel to it but not enough to annoy you or for it to appear greasy. Try the above, it's worked brilliantly for me. https://www.amazon.co.uk/By-My-Beard-Shampoo-300ml/dp/B01EELQ05O/ref=sr_1_8_s_it?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1511025833&sr=1-8&keywords=by+my+beard ^^ They have a good selection of products but I haven't tried any of the others. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Simple-Kind-Replenishing-Moisturiser-125ml/dp/B014G4ZW1M/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1511025904&sr=1-1&keywords=simple+rich+moisturiser
  5. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    I agree that Punjabi has its roots in Sanskrit and in fact holds more importance over Farsi, but that doesn't mean Farsi should be cast aside. If we cannot agree on the degree of connection between Punjabi and Farsi then a consideration should be made as to where the bar is set for Sikhs in pursuit of it specifically, if not for the writings of Bhai Nand Lal Ji, then at least for Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Zafarnama. On the topic of academic pursuits, an effort should be made without question to acquire good hand knowledge of Sanskrit. It's worth mentioning that Vedic Sanskrit and Old Persian actually share some similarities. Punjabi, aside from having loanwords, also shares the same word order as Farsi - Subject, Object, Verb. Although this could well be a coincidence, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. What has given you the impression that anyone in this thread has an inferiority complex? For the majority of us, Punjabi is our maa boli and takes precedence over any other language. The fact that some have a piqued interest in a secondary language which unquestionably has had a significant influence on our mother tongue, whether through conquest or not, does not all of sudden warrant the accusation that one has an inferiority complex. Punjabi has many dialects, some which are more Persianized and some which are more Sanskritized, and even that doesn't determine how Punjabi is spoken - a lot of it is down to personal preference and exposure. I have yet to find someone who speaks Pre-Persian Punjabi or has completely removed any Persian influence. Punjabi during the emergence of Sikhi most likely already had quite a degree of Persian influence, possibly not as much as today, but it still had it nonetheless. It has evolved like most languages and we are talking about the form relative to Punjabis and Sikhs throughout early modern history and current day. My DNA test didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, and had it come back with higher percentage of Indigenous Indian, the topic of Punjabis/Sikhs learning Farsi would still be under discussion and actually already has been. Likewise, the fact that many Punjabis are more ethnically Persian doesn't mean we are denying our actual heritage - Bharati. While I despise the politics of modern day India, the fact remains that Punjab culturally, geographically, linguistically, socially, and religiously was, is, and will always be a part of Bharat despite any land borders past, present, or future, and any political designations. A fact that many Sikhs find bitter, and a fact which if in agreement with, will also surely cause the term 'inferiority complex' to be bandied about. Anyway, it's not as if I've been suggesting we all apply for Iranian Citizenship at the earliest possible chance and start stuffing our faces with kabobs now is it. These days in order to qualify as someone who doesn't have an inferiority complex, you must be a Pro-Khalistani Singh Sabhia who follows Reform 'Sikhism', and believe all Sikhs appeared on earth through immaculate conception and came with their own pure culture and divine language which to this day has been entirely uninfluenced by outside factors. ! پیروزی به هندوستان
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    I get the same on Firefox.
  7. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    No offence taken brother. It doesn't fulfill any need for our community per say, but as far as intellectual pursuits go, it's probably one of the more productive ones. Then again, that's just my opinion. I understand what you mean about Persians not feeling any affinity for Punjabi but I believe that's because it was Persian which influenced Punjabi, not the other way around, so naturally it would be of more benefit and make more sense for us to have a better understanding of Persian rather than them of Punjabi. I'm not by any means saying we should replace Punjabi and start teaching Persian in Gurdwaras, however, if there was an opportunity to learn an alternative language, Persian would be highly advantageous. You're right in saying we have more pressing issues to deal with in our quam but at the same time, there's no harm in increasing your gyaan where possible. And of course you would only undertake such a task if you were proficient in Punjabi in the first place, otherwise it's pointless, so apologies - to clarify that comment was not meant for those youth who can't be bothered to learn Punjabi or won't learn it, or for those parents who think the language of whitey is enough. I was quite well aware of this but thanks anyway.
  8. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    My bad, I was referring to the differences between Written Persian and Colloquial Persian bro, which makes the language as a whole appear complex. I'm familiar with the fact that Persian is fairly easy to become fluent in for speakers of other Indo-European languages. I've met quite a few native Persian speakers and was surprised at the rate they are able to pick up Urdu/Hindi. Similarly, I was surprised at the extent of influence Persian has had on Punjabi. The majority of us know that we borrow a considerable amount of vocabulary from it, but in our day to day speech we tend to forget - after hearing Shudh Hindi speakers (and watching the likes of Ramayan and Chandragupta Maurya) I was shocked at how little I understood, especially as someone who claims to be fluent in Hindi. What I'm actually fluent in is neither Hindi nor Urdu, nor Hindustani for that matter, rather it's a combination of them. I always make it a point to learn the equivalent Sanskrit word though as it increases my knowledge of Punjabi and makes it easier to understand Gurbani. Take for example this simple phrase I came across quite awhile back which translates as "one language isn't enough": yek zaban kafi nist Literally: ek zubaan kaafi nahi A Punjabi speaker would be able to easily comprehend the former - and although you wouldn't say it as such in a Punjabi conversation, one could get away with saying the latter and undoubtedly get their point across. On a side note, being able to read Urdu and Shahmukhi would be somewhat worthwhile in my opinion. I have a whole stack of books in both which belonged to my Grandfather, and I don't have it in me to get rid of them. Along with the books I have plenty of letters witten on those blue airmail envelopes from the '70s and '80s - who knows what they say. Not only that, we also have loads of old zamine papers written in these scripts too, albeit patwari's have notoriously vile handwriting.
  9. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    Good point. It would be amazing to see a revival of Farsi in our quam though - some oldies rave about it, and I wish I had the himmat to learn such a complex language.
  10. Thanks! I agree with your post. Brahmins do give it large and people get the impression they're religious when many of them, infact, aren't particularly Dharmi bande - a few are good at keeing sucham so I'll give them that much. You're right that in the U.K it's not as bad but there is still plenty of caste discrimination from them. As for Punjabi Hindus attending the Gurdwara, it's true many do attend and probably do feel more comfortable there, I've come across some who are basically Sikh - just as you have people who are Sikh in name but Hindu, you have people who are Hindu in name but Sikh (ironically some Sikhs would never accept them but are happy to push others out into the Hindu camp if they get even the slightest whiff of something Sanatan coming their way). And it's not just Punjabi Hindus who go to the Gurdwara - where I live pleny of Gujarati Hindus also attend, not just for the langar either, and some have been attending for years. I actually think there would be quite a few Hindus who would genuinely be interested in Sikhi but sadly there is no prachaar directed towards them - I think if we could manage something similar to how Sikhs work with Swami Parmanand Ji, we could defo appeal to more Hindus. As someone who was raised a Brahmin, what would you suggest as a way to bring them into the Sikh fold?
  11. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    Do you think we should pay more attention to our Persian heritage given Guru Gobind Singh Ji's affinity for the Persian language and culture?
  12. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    ਇਦਾਂ ਦੇ ਜ਼ੁਬਾਨ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਤਾਂ ਤੂ ਗਸ਼ਤੀ ਦਾ ਬੱਚਾ ਹੋਵੇਂ
  13. This is interesting. I've heard of a few arranged marriages between Brahmins and Sikhs (mostly Jatts) but it's usually the other way around - Brahmins will seek out Jatt Sikh partners for their daughters. If you don't mind me asking how long ago did your uncle get married? I've always wondered if this is a new phenomenon or one that has always been around? It's odd for a couple of reasons, the first being Brahmins and Jatts consider themselves polar opposites in most matters - they both have a continuous but friendly joke going which is just them taking the p!ss out of one anothers aadat. The second being, out of all the castes they each consider themselves the purest and most strict, and rarely marry out of caste. What makes the relationship between them yet even more odd is the respect Brahmins have for Sikhi - while there are some who are dismissive of it or downright disrespectful, there are also many who are extremely loyal towards Sikhi and all the Guru Sahiban, and a smaller minority who conduct their daily worship in a Sikh manner, only requiring the services of a Pandit for specific religious ceremonies. Not in a rude way but Punjabi Brahmins are an unusual bunch. Could you shed any light on this? Is there such a thing as a 'Sikh Brahmin'?
  14. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    To be fair if the Celtic part of the results are true, it's not as bad as it coming back British (even though you can't really define British). It's most likely to be Scottish as the Scots and Scandinavians did a fair bit of mingling. Scottish people are quite admirable. At least in this regard: "...for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."
  15. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    It doesn't, that's not why I took the test. I did it out of sheer curiosity, it's human nature to want to know your origins, and kade kade shaunk vi pura karna penda ah, no? It's had absolutely no impact on my life and it's not gonna. If the scientific side has no significance to you, then just see it as a bit of fun. And no where in my post indicates I have an inflated ego brother, did you not read the Jatt joke? If any anything I put my results here in opposition to those who act elitist - infact some people I've mentioned the test to are scared to even entertain the idea of taking it, they're so fragile. We are who we are and obviously it's not going to change.
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