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  1. Roma gypsies are descended from jats. Already well established links.
  2. He has publicly stated that he supports his mother. Given that he is now a public servant, it is vital that the public are aware of his background in order to view his forthcoming stance on key issues through the prism of his mother's history. It's not "putting labour politicians down", it's informing the public - that's the purpose of the press. Unless of course, you live in North Korea.
  3. I thought everyone knew this about Dhesi? It's common knowledge. Jagir's Kaur's daughter was involved with another guy who came from a "different caste". How he will navigate through the forthcoming caste discrimination bill and associated debate, any debates about so called "honour" violence and/or killings remains to be seen.
  4. Whether jats bow to Khatris or Brahmins or not is utterly irrelevant. The jats and "jat sikhs" of Punjab have officially been declared "backward class" which was one of their demands in order to gain access to government jobs in the reservation categories. Regardless of what jats think of themselves, and they certainly think a lot of themselves, the jats are shudra as per the caste system. In west London, the jats are prepared to marry anyone and anything to get the infamous "laal passport". Sikhs go around telling themselves and others "saadi qaum vakhri" - in what way is your quam vakhri? You all follow the caste system - just like the very people you despise so much! In fact, more so than them - oh the irony. So-called separate nation indeed. Keep deluding yourselves. This man was clearly deluded if indeed it was the case that caste was a prime factor. What a waste of a life over utter nonsensical non-sikh belief systems. Whether jats are a caste, ethnic group or a race is irrelevant. The Guru's were clear - recognise the human race as one.
  5. S4NGH, How do you know he is married or amritdhari?
  6. Ignorance? First of all, it's not the Trade and Industry Minister. For your information, the Minister for Trade and Investment is Lord Price. He wasn't in India last week. https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/minister-of-state-for-trade-and-investment If you mean the former Business Secretary, Sajid Javid, then at least get the correct ministry. Isn't that rather "stupid" or shall I say, "ignorant" of you? Secondly, Priti Patel, will make no more trips to India than previous ministers. And why shouldn't they? For all the problems we Sikhs think India has caused us, India is, like it or not, a force to be reckoned with. Every country from Australia to the USA and Canada wants to do trade deals with India. What do you expect British government ministers to do, sit there and pass a good business deal when they see one just because of Jagsaw? Priti Patel or Joe Bloggs, trade missions to India are going to happen. Fact. Unless you live in cuckoo land, there is no such thing as ethical foreign policy. Thirdly, current Sikh leaders have done more damage to Sikh rights than any Patel can try. Be it Sikh Council UK meetings with Modi, Badal and Captain Amrinder Singh pretending to hate eachother when they have in reality, collectively made a fool of Sikhs, or gurdwara pardhaans lining their own pockets.
  7. In 2014 Theresa May spoke at the General Assembly of the Sikh Council UK. She also unveiled statues of Sikh soldiers at the National Sikh Heritage Centre in Derby in 2014. In April 2016 Theresa May signed the papers to de-proscribe the International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF). This could be turning point in Anglo-Sikh relations.....
  8. Preeet, There's a way of life that is perfect for you........Hinduism.
  9. There is of course, an alternative viewpoint. There always is. One can not ignore the fact that, whilst the guru's through social reforms, pioneered banning the practice of sati, it took legislation from the British to enforce such a reform. It was wrong for Dr Lalvani to claim that the British pioneered such reforms, but he wasn't wrong to infer that despite such reforms led by the guru's, many Indians still practised this barbaric act. What he was trying to say ( I assume) is that it took legislation to bring about the termination of sati. Forward this to 2016. As we speak, the anti-caste lobby (Castewatch and the like) are petitioning MPs to introduce caste legislation into English law, effectively making caste discrimination an offence in England & Wales. Astonishingly, Sikh Council UK, who should be leading such a lobby, are actually against this piece of legislation from becoming law! [Apparently, caste discrimination doesn't occur in Sikhi.....hmmmm]. It will surprise no on this forum that the Hindu forum of Britain, led by Brahmins, are also against the legislation. In years to come, when caste discrimination will be accepted as punishable by law, an academic will come onto TV shows such as Big Questions and say "it took English legislation to stop certain castes discriminating against other castes...", and the Sikhs will say "oh no it didn't, the guru's abolished caste discrimination in 1699!" So, what I'm trying to say, is whilst the guru's brought about social reforms and no one can argue against it, many Sikhs don't follow them unless it's forced by legislation. I used an example of caste, but we could extend this to gender equality. As uncomfortable as it is, as a community we must acknowledge that there is a difference between Sikhi and Sikhs. Sikhs are by no means perfect. Sikhi on the otherhand, is.
  10. Only Rita Johal as far as I know. Not sure who the other 3 are....? As Starstriker says, Neelam was just a rumour.
  11. Isingh, Fantastic point. I've been observing with much dismay at the height of stupidity of the Sikh community and the so-called leaders of the community who have epically failed to understand what Khalid Mahmood MP has actually said. Know who your enemies are. I'll leave it at that.
  12. Quantivus, "No. Actually YOU are missing the point. Let's assume Jatts do consider themselves superior and you are right. How does that affect you? What actions have they taken in regards to feeling superior affected your well being?" Jats do consider themselves superior - no assumption required. Your question was, how does this affect me? Here's the answer. As much as pork is to a muslim, beef to a hindu, hierarchy/supremacy of caste is to a Sikh. It's anti-Sikh to it's very foundation. If something is anti-Sikh, it does affect my well being. In fact, such views of caste-based superiority should be confined to either hinduism, or the 17th century, or both. They certainly have no place in Sikhi. It makes me laugh frankly, that certain forum members who are supposedly the most "anti-India/anti-hindu" or alternatively, "pro-khalistani", are simultaneously the most "pro-caste" and by default, undercover hindu's by another name. Oh, the irony.
  13. Ranjeet, You've missed the point. Its not about invading countries. It's about defining a particular group as a "superior race" and somehow 'a cut above the rest'.
  14. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-maharaja-ranjit-singh-s-statue-to-be-installed-in-france-2199038 A statue of Maharaja Ranjit Singh will be installed in France's Saint-Tropez town, the birth place of his Army General Jean-Francois Allard, in September this year. Henri Prevosat-Allard, Deputy Mayor and in-charge of tourism of Saint-Tropez on Wednesday met Punjab Tourism Minister Sohan Singh Thandal here and invited him to the ceremony, an official release said. Henri Prevosat-Allard is a descendant of General Jean-Fran ois Allard who trained Maharaja Ranjit Singh's troops, and has announced the step as a mark of respect towards the 19th century king, Thandal said. The installation of the statue is a matter of great pride for Punjab, the minister said, adding that it will herald a new epoch of Punjab-France relations and will boost tourism. Allard will also invite Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal to Saint-Tropez on September 17 when the statues of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, General Allard and his wife Bannou Pan Dei will be installed. In September, the Indian embassy in France will hold also an exhibition on the life of the king.
  15. Whilst this is a matter of great honour and pride for the Sikh nation, one hopes that the French acknowledge that the hurt caused and disrespect they have show to the turban is unjustified, and with the deep Franco-Sikh military relationship already in place, France should know the importance of the turban better than others.
  16. This very forum had a lengthy discussion 10+ years ago regarding a Nanaksar giani (can't recall the precise status he held in the Nanaksar establishment) and paedophilia activity with a child in Edmonton/Calgary. There are very obvious clear reasons why the guru's advocated family life for Sikhs.
  17. Be nice to get men into the kitchen in the first place The only positions in the committee offered to the women are "kitchen di seva", with the exception of Sri Guru Singh Sabha Hounslow, where females have actually had leadership roles (stage secretary).
  18. Ghuggi has done a "jat classic" in that short video and no one should underestimate the damage such narratives evoke. Jat classic = if a Sikh of jat background does anything of any significance, then mention that he is a jat. If a Sikh of a non-jat background does anything of significance, he will simply be known as a Sikh or Mr Singh. This has been going on for generations. Fast forward to 2016. The outcome is that an uneducated pendu is brainwashed into thinking only jats have contributed to Sikh history. Couldn't be more wrong.
  19. Absolutely correct DalSingh101. Two years ago, jatt sikhs were officially classified as backwards, as per their own demands. Funny old world mate.
  20. Are the indo-canadian buses also involved in the strike?
  21. Once again, it's girls from the Midlands. Whilst this happens in most places, the Midlands is disproportionately represented in such statistics. What is going on up there?
  22. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3384080/Pickpocket-gang-jailed-total-30-years-making-5million-stealing-1-000-mobile-phones-Tube.html Pickpocket gang is jailed for total of 30 years after making £5million stealing more than 1,000 mobile phones on the Tube The group of 11 earned almost £10,000 a day stealing mobile phones Operated between 2pm and 10pm plundering pockets of Tube passengers The gang have now been jailed for a total of more than 30 years By AMANDA WILLIAMS FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 17:19, 4 January 2016 | UPDATED: 17:19, 4 January 2016 View comments +11 A pickpocket gang who amassed more than £5 million pounds by stealing mobile phones on the Tube has been jailed for more than 30 years. Pictured is ringleader Nawid Moshfiq A pickpocket gang who amassed more than £5 million by stealing mobile phones on the Tube has been jailed for more than 30 years. The group of 11 thieves earned almost £10,000 a day by stealing mobile phones from unwitting commuters on the London Underground. Ring leader Nawid Moshfiq, 'the boss' behind the network of people who were dealing the stolen phones, encouraged 'staff' to work between 2pm and 10pm each day. The huge scale of their operation was uncovered when more than 100 officers raided private properties and business premises where more than one thousand smart phones taken from the rail network and £143,000 were seized. At one address, officers seized more than £23,000 which had been hidden in different rooms of the house, including inside a child's jacket. Police believe the gang made around £5 million selling their ill-gotten gains. Operation Park, which began almost two-and-a-half years ago resulted in the 11 being sentenced over two trials with conspiracy to handle stolen goods and money laundering offences. Ringleader Moshfiq, 39, from Brentford, Essex, was sentenced to five years behind bars for conspiracy to handle stolen goods, three years for money laundering and 18 months for possession of criminal property, running concurrently. His associates - Paramijit Singh Karla 42, Harmeet Bhatia, 24, Pritbal Bhatia 55, and Nirmohan Bhatia, 20, all from Northolt, north west London, as well as Ranjit Banger, 31, and Mubarak Korasi, 41, from Southall, west London, were imprisoned. +11 +11 Paramijit Singh Kalra (left), 42, Harmeet Bhatia, 24, (right) were part of the group of 11 thieves who earned almost £10,000 a day by stealing mobile phones from unwitting commuters on the London Underground +11 +11 Pritbal Bhatia, and Nirmohan Bhatia, 20, both from Northolt, north west London, were also jailed Ahmed Raza , 28, from Leyton, east London, Ariji Singh Sethi, 43, from Hounslow, west London, and Nirmohan Singh, 38, also received prison sentences varying between two and three years long. Olia Moshfiq, 36, from Brentford. She was put behind bars for two years imprisonment for conspiracy to money launder and 18 months imprisonment for possession of criminal property. They were all on sentenced at Blackfriars Crown Court August 13, and December 2, 8, and 21. +11 +11 Ranjit Banger, 31, and Nirmohan Singh, 38, also received prison sentences varying between two and three years long +11 +11 Mubarak Korasi, 41, from Southall, west London, and Ahmed Raza , 28, from Leyton, east London, were also involved in the gang +11 +11 Ariji Singh Sethi, 43, from Hounslow, west London, and Olia Moshfiq, 36, from Brentford Detective Chief Inspector John Justice said: 'This was a long and complex investigation into a highly organised criminal gang who used stolen property from the rail network for their personal gain. 'To truly tackle theft, we can't just catch pickpockets and petty thieves; we have to also dismantle the criminal networks behind them, who profit from this type of crime. 'Phones are often stolen out of view of CCTV in crowded carriages or busy stations without the owner even realising. 'This makes it hard for us to catch thieves in the act and even when we do, we often find they are only small players in much bigger criminal organisations. 'This investigation shows how tirelessly we will work to bring these people before the courts and I welcome the sentences handed down to the defendants.'