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20 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

They aren't united in the first place. Fudhoos will overnight (for political and economical convenience) see a hindu haryaani jaat, or a maula jut as a brother before another Sikh of a different jaat. 

And this forum has many aforementioned fudhoos. There are threads on that very topic. At the time, I mentioned that Sikhs who are absolutely solid in their Sikhi, eg Sikhligar Sikhs, have been looked over and abandoned. But the caste-enabling and caste-promoting jatts ignored. 

The facts of the matter are, when the jatts were busy in the pubs and barbers, it fell upon non-jatts to fight every turban campaign in the UK. 

This forum seldom likes facts but hey ho, there you go.

6 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

It was and always has been those who are alpha that followed that line of work or gang culture.  I have never seen anyone who wears skinny jeans and speaks the Queens English engage in that lifestyle.  I have also never seen a Punjabi Shaheri Bhapa, Kenyan Tharkhan, Delhi and Bombay da Bhapa stand strong with any Morcha for Sikhi or Punjab.  Note that I did not mention Punjabi Tharkhan Sikhs or Majbi Sikhs, because they have given there fair share of heads.  It’s your struggles and  the people you look up to that make you Alpha not the latter that follows ie mindless violence and the crime.  Sometimes if channelled for the right reasons this can be a positive.

"I have also never seen a Punjabi Shaheri Bhapa, Kenyan Tharkhan, Delhi and Bombay da Bhapa stand strong with any Morcha for Sikhi or Punjab" - TigerForce1.

Who led the turban morcha in the UK which led to case law being redefined in the UK and stated that Sikhs are a separate ethnic group in the House of Lords? Outcome being that Sikh children were able to wear turbans in schools and the workplace. I give you a clue - it wasn't the "group" that form the numerical majority of the mona brigade aka so called alpha males. 

2 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

Maybe because Jats are the only remaining group who are still actively alpha amongst the Sikh community.  We could also ask why are Jats the only group to aggressively take on Delhi in the protests.  You can’t knock a group of people who still possess the hot blood needed to take risks.    

According to you, therefore, the exponential knife crime in black kids in South London, Birmingham and Manchester is because they are alpha males?

I had no idea that drugs + mindless violence = the new definition of alpha male

100% agree

7 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Whenever you mention the dreaded J word on this forum the thread just turns volatile. 

Puzzled, please put the violin away, it doesn't suit you. Personally, mention the dreaded J word all you like - but as long as you mention the M word, the R word, the C word, the T word, the A word....you get the drift. For far too long, an inaccurate one-sided narrative has been propagated and its all BS. Primary sources must be consulted.

Meanwhile, lets not forget, why these Jaats ended up in an Indian State called Haryana in the first instance. Ever heard of the Punjabi Suba? In the swinging sixties. Anyway, what was the position of these Jaats on their mother tongue? 

Let's all stop this myopia and engage in constructive, evidence-based debate, not "Jat this, Jat that" as if we're at a 1980's daytime bhangra gig in Hammersmith.  This forum is better than that. 

34 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

Yet you neglected to mention misls that weren't led by jatts (Ahluwalia, Ramgarhia, some also say that the Shukerchakia chieftains were not jatt)

You also neglected to name the traitorous Phulkian "misl" that was led by jatts. They can now stake claim to multiple centuries worth of traitorous behavior. The least you could do is not forget them.

 

 

 

Thanks californiasardar1.

The problem is Puzzled, and maybe puzzled is more suited to you than you realise, but the problem is, you're pushing the same narrative that other lazy observers have pushed for the past few decades at the expense of truth. 

Who was responsible for the diminished Rangrehtta Dal? I give you a clue...it's the same chaps that californiasardar1 mentioned in regards to Phulkian "misl".

One of these days Puzzled, you will pick up a history book and actually study who stood shoulder to shoulder with Guru Gobind Singh, who was given a kalgi at Chamkaur, which Dal went AWOL in the mid-eighteenth century despite commanding control posts at Peshawar and the kept the quarrelsome Pathans at bay? 

For the vast majority of the time, the misls that you mention spent more time fighting each other and actually, the Bhangi's took Lahore strategically (nothing wrong with that by the way) and crucially not due to superior military prowess. 

Who formed the majority of the Nishaanvali misl or Dallewalia misl not to mention formed a significant proportion of the Sukerchakia misl?

All I can say is, isn't it fascinating that those communities who have a 5 century history of sacrifice for Sikhi are now told to live in "chamaarlis", prevented from taking Amrit from the same thaal as jats but hey, lets preach to jaats from Haryana in the hope that Sajjan Kumar's clan, a chap who was responsible for a genocide in Delhi, embrace Sikhi.

Wonderful. Absolutely fabulous. 

23 hours ago, puzzled said:

y 1760-ish most of Punjab was ruled under the Sikh misls who were mainly jatts. Bhangis(Dhillon), Kanheya(Sandhus), Singhia(Dhaliwals) etc ..  They also held the Afghans at bay. 

You forget to mention Bir Singh Ranghretta, who prior to the Misl period, ie Dal Khalsa, commanded one of 5 Dal's of the Dal Khalsa. What became of him? By the way, isn't it interesting that the original poster didn't suggest that we should appeal to so-called lower strata's of Hindu society to consider Sikhi as a path? What does that tell us?

On 11/21/2020 at 11:35 AM, indersingh1313 said:

do you think guru ji believed in caste system or support caste system?

Sikhi was the biggest rebellion against the caste system. 

"Sikhs" from a certain caste are the biggest fans of the caste system and will do whatever it takes to promote/propagate it.  

4 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

You must be from some lower strata of the varna system that is why you never say what you are. If you have nothing to be ashamed of, tell us what you are.

lower strate of the varna system?

Good god, what did i just read there? No wonder the Ravidasia community are pushing for caste discrimination to be part of the Equality Act 2000, because of uneducated Hindus like yourself.

Seriously, how did we end up with people like you? 

I'm being serious. How much did your RSS masters pay you to write such an anti-Sikh sentence? Crikey. We need another Singh Sabha movement and yes we have our work cut out if this is the crap we're dealing with.

This entire thread has turned into why rural Sikhs are specialists in Punjabiat and manu-smitri. There's no Sikhi there at all. Most of you are still confusing being a Punjabi and living the Sikh way of life. Being in touch with Punjab has got you guys no where in Sikhi - nowhere. You want to see a mona? Go to Punjab. You want to see a Singh? Go to Delhi, Jammu, Bangkok...I wonder why?! 

The love for Sikhi is clearly inversely proportional to being a Punjabi. Worked it out yet? No? Get your RSS masters to solve that one for you.

5 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Yes you are correct on rural Sikhs less likely keep kesh.

But a lot of the East African Sikhs also cut their kesh and wear their paghs on top and have 5 o'clock shadow. 

You mean have hair cuts and wear turbans? Really? I've literally never seen a single case. That's for your Sukshinder Shinda's, Diljit Dosanjh's of this world - and their certainly not from Nairobi. More importantly, the rural Sikhs are doing this in 2020 - not in 1955. Why? 

Yes we know many East Africans trim their beards - entirely wrong of course. But no headteacher or employer refused admission/employment based on beard length. It was the turban that was always the issue.

East African Sikhs arriving from mid-60's seemed to have little issue obtaining jobs while keeping the turban whilst a Sikh from rural Punjab arriving at the same time would consider it almost obligatory to cut his hair and blame British employers. I'm not saying there weren't any issues but we've overlooked language barriers and skill-level when looking at the turban case.

It's a strange discussion thread.

The East African Sikhs are being called out as being too "westernised" and are held somehow largely responsible for corrupting rural Sikhs.

However, as the world knows, it was the same East African Sikhs who spearheaded the turban campaigns in the late '70's - early 80's all the way to the House of Lords to ensure we can wear turbans in schools and lets be honest, as part of any uniform (because had they lost the legal fight then other institutions would have implemented no turban policy too).

All this whilst these rural Sikhs from India were busy sitting in pubs with haircuts - maybe the East Africans weren't so bad after all?!

2 hours ago, puzzled said:

You can definitely see the Jew in the nose. 

Puzzled, you make a great contribution to this forum, however, this statement is  unbefitting of you and more importantly, beneath the standards of this forum.