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Your Professor sounds like he had something in common with Nihangs then

So just so we're clear. You don't support social distancing for purposes of reducing the mortality rate from Covid-19? You don't support measures to enforce the lockdown in Punjab by the police? Therefore, conversely, you'd prefer the police gave a greenlight to Sikhs and may be particularly to Nihangs or Taksalis because you know, they're supermen, "abit special" and "might as well". A policy that will result in the healthcare "system" being overwhelmed in Punjab, State with only 350 ventilators and ultimately, a death rate that would put the Spanish flu to shame. But hey, what's a few hundred thousand deaths if it keeps a few deluded fantasist Sikhs on Sikh Sangat happy. At least Mr Singh could buy his sabji without the correct curfew pass, eh?

Today marks the day when Guru Gobind Singh ji instructed the Sikhs, that when all other means have failed, it is just to raise the sword. Had all other means failed? Clearly not. How can the members on this forum justify the use of the kirpan in this way? The last time I checked, "kirpan" meant to show mercy, compassion. There are deluded fantasists on this forum who have created an industry out of blaming the RSS, the Indian government or even the President of Belarus for all of the problems of the Sikhs.... because Sikhs are perfect and Sikhs never make mistakes, do they? You must never blame the Sikhs or God forbid, the supermen aka nihangs, who went AWOL during 1984 but hey ho, they're good at chopping off hands of policemen during pandemic curfews or melon's at a Nagar Kirtan.

Where were these supermen between 1984 and 1992? Intoxicated. This thread is in danger of turning from the ridiculous to fantasy. Buddha Dal has already disowned these criminals. It's a shame some fantasists on this thread are living in cuckoo land. The police are there to enforce the law. No one is above the law.

The responses on this thread are shocking. What could possibly invoke a response to severe a hand of a man who is upholding the law? What could possibly justify such a barbaric criminal act? India is under a stringent lockdown - for their own benefit. The driver was simply asked to show his pass which is required when a curfew is in place. These people are nowhere to be seen when the Sikh nation is under attack, but a copper asks for a curfew pass and he amputated the poor man's hand. I'm glad to see that the Buddha Dal has condemned this act of criminality, which is more that can be said by most of the people in this thread http://dailysikhupdates.com/buddha-dal-96-crori-response-to-asis-hand-chopped-off-incident/?fbclid=IwAR30_ieEIW_GEsdlQkN4U4QTzziVXVC0S7hKaf-2bQBiX4qaCpKezcuOSmY

100% correct. They should face the full force of the law. I'm flabbergasted by the previous replies to this thread.

Kidda West London Singh, I've known you on here long enough to know that you make your point from a personal point of view because, if my memory serves me correctly, your dear mother used to work as a cleaner in the hospital? Anyway, you raise a very valid and pertinent point. As a doctor, I know full well that the cleaners in our NHS hospitals are just as much front line as the medics and nurses. They deserve recognition and respect and protective personal equipment as much as everyone else.

The sheer irony being the main leader behind the Singh Sabha movement was Giani Ditt Singh - who belonged to a sub-section of the community that today probably wouldn't even be allowed to run a gurdwara at the pind level let alone a nationwide morcha against the mahants which is precisely what Giani Ditt Singh and Prof Gurmukh Singh did over 100 years ago. For what end though - most Singh Sabha gurdwarae are now run by Jats who are unaware that it was a Ramdasia Sikh of the Lahore Singh Sabha who firstly defeated Khem Singh Bedi of the Amritsar Singh Sabha and then the Arya Samaj. Your dads pind may be dominated by non-jats but I'm talking about the State-wide collective - around 66% of Sikhs come from one community or so we're told. Whilst some move abroad (and have done for 100+ years) there's still substantial numbers in Punjab. You would need a collective mass of 10 million to leave Punjab for any seismic changes to occur. There's only a handful of jats abroad compared to Punjab, in real terms. I make no apologies for saying that when I saw Army papers at the National Archives of India showing that when the British tried to mix jats with mazbhis and ramdasia sikhs, it was the jats who almost caused a riot in the regimental gurdwara - and then they wonder why everyone blames them. The British had to relocate the men into other regiments. It's generally one community in Punjab that has upheld anti-Sikh 'manusmriti' principles in Punjabi villages and I certainly wont be pointing fingers at tarkhans, khatris and sainis, thats for sure.

And yet the Sikh Rehat Marayada as per the Akal Thakt is unequivocally against even asking what caste the spouse is and insists that a Sikh is to marry a Sikh regardless of the caste. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji clearly shows that caste is a non-Sikh entity and has no bearing on character etc. This, however, did not stop the numerically dominant Jats from separating so called lower castes at the village level, differentiating where each caste was to reside in any given village. Why so? Can any person on this forum answer this? Isn't it the case that many jats converted to Sikhi after caste abolition by the Sikh Gurus and rather than submit to the casteless protocol of Sikhi, the Jats separated themselves from everyone else (literally at village level) and ensured that the so called lower castes would always be reminded, that they will never be on equal terms. This manifested in separate Regiments (Sikh Regt v Sikh Light Infantry) to this very day. An utterly ridiculous concept that flies in the face of common sense, Sikhi and gurmat. Until this anti-sikh caste division at the village level is destroyed, the Jats will never allow the casteless Sikh inspired society to flourish, be it in the village, the Regiment, etc. Only then will Sikhs marry other Sikhs regardless of caste en masse.

Sad to hear. As a community we've equated being Punjabi with Sikhi when the correlation isn't there as such.

It's part of the long-term agenda by many Panjabi Sikhs to Panjabify Sikhi. This could be language, dress, whatever. How many of the original Panj Pyare were from Punjab?

West London Singh, You're absolutely correct about herd immunity. Around 2/3 of the population need to be exposed and having Covid-19 parties, just like chicken pox parties, is certainly one way to do it. However, ensure that the elderly and vulnerable aren't invited to such parties!

100% correct. Everyone I know wears a so-called Kenyan style pagh. It's really British Indian Army style, but let's put aside semantics. Most people, the youth included, actually wear the Kenyan style. A few do wear the gol style but it's no where in comparison to the Kenyan style. Ratio would be 1:10 if not more. Aside from a few elderly individuals*, UK Jatt's are effectively non-turbaned - just ask Jassi Sidhu why he wears a Kenyan turban even though his parents descend from Punjab. His neighbour was Kenyan, his father didn't wear a turban, so he took upon the style of the Kenyans. The gol pagh has taken root to some degree but given the shear numbers of Kenyan style turbans, and their descendants, there's mathematically zero chance of a takeover. The Kenyan pagh is not a phase but the same can't be said the gol pagh. Only time will tell. The Patiala shahi or the "Indian style" has no precedence in the UK - jatt's had/have no interest. They're nearly all clean-shaven by default. Aside from a few of their progeny who've been taken in by various Sikh camps, they have no interest. Walk into any British educational establishment - from Aberdeen to Southampton, it's mostly Kenyan turbans - if any. If you do see a chap wearing an Indian style, he's recently arrived from India. Chances are his children will discard the pagh or, adopt the Kenyan style. Kenyan turbans are 4th generation now. It's no surprise that all the major legal turban battles in the UK were fought by non-jatt's. Motorcycle helmet in Manchester (Giani Sundar Singh Sagar), caps as part of the bus driver's uniform in Wolverhampton (Tarsem Singh Sandhu - my uncle) or a Brummie school kid being asked to wear a cap as part of the school uniform (Sewa S Mandla). Legislation affecting headgear never affects jatt's -why would it? Jatt's can mock the Kenyan turban all day long, but it doesn't take away away from the legal fact that today, British Sikhs wear turbans in the High Court or operating theatres or to school or drive buses because non-jatt's decided to not cut their hair and conform. Conflict of interest: I wear a British Indian Army style aka Kenyan style pagh. However, my father wear's an Indian/Patiala shahi style. *many of these individuals were non-turbanned throughout their lives but adopted the pagh upon retirement, maybe born-again-Sikhs or more likely, embarrassing bald patches. California Sardar is more informed about the UK pagh than the Sikhs living in the UK. How utterly bizarre.

I should have added that their women are adorned with gold. And that's just to pop out to buy the milk and bread.

It's not just drugs. They have manipulated the social housing (council houses) system to their advantage. In the past 20-25 years they have amassed wealth that many can only dream of and that means only one thing. Drugs, dishonesty and corruption. Remember, none of their woman go to work and are regularly seen pushing pushchairs with several children along Southall broadway or Hounslow High street. Just where does the money come from?

Thetford, Norfolk Maharaja Duleep Singh's former home and associated statue and museum.

Many Muslims divorce in order to qualify for government handouts. Housing benefit, council tax support, child benefit is increased, etc etc. Critically, the lady can claim single persons allowance. The ex-husband often moves in with a relative close by or worse, remains in the same property. Divorced on paper only.

Spot on

Absolutely correct

Dallysingh101, So if you dislike all things British, the British establishment, the British way of life, The British Army, The British Police,The British Political System - why do you live in Great Britain? No one is forcing you to live here. It must be very depressing being you - you wake up every morning and you dislike all those around you and you dislike the country you live in. Leave. Go and inhabit a country that didn't once have an expansionist empire, like, er, Lithuania. After all, even the Sikhs once had an expansionist empire - whoops!

What worries me is the new wave of anti-British sentiments coming from.... British born Sikhs! The statue that was vandalised in Smethwick being a prime example. Some Sikhs believe that soldiers in the British Indian Army were somehow slaves. Totally misinformed.

Incorrect The Sikh Pioneers regiments recruited exclusively from the Mazbhi Sikh and Ramdasia Sikh communities.

Absolutely correct

Hold your horses Jagsaw.... Re-read my statement: The key date to note here is..1900. In 1900, it was indeed the 14th Sikhs that were sent to China. You're referring to 1859, when the 15th Sikhs were sent. I fear that you're confusing the recruiting policies and designs of the Shanghai Police Force with the 14th and 15th Sikhs. I didn't spend a week googling anything son, I have access to regimental histories. The 14th and 15th Sikhs were established in the midst of the Anglo-Sikh Wars:- these Sikhs had switched sides before the second Anglo-Sikh War had even begun!! I'm sorry to say, they swung both ways.

Kidda West London Singh, It was the 14th Ferozpore Sikh Regiment that went to China in 1900 for the Boxer Rebellion, not the 15th Ludhiana Sikhs. The 34th Sikh Pioneers Regiment was also there, as were a few other Indian regiments.