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  1. Jaheen, You've missed the point entirely. The British Attorney-General was refering to Pakistani's living and working in the United Kingdom - not in Pakistan.
  2. California Sardar and Chatanga raise absolutely valid points, as does neoSingh. Many gurdwarae do not have amritdhari sangat, never mind committee members.
  3. None of this will surprise anyone aged above 11 years old from the United Kingdom, but it's always refreshing to hear it from one of the most senior members of the government. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10469448/Corruption-rife-in-the-Pakistani-community-says-minister.html Corruption in parts of the Pakistani community is endemic and a growing problem that politicians have underestimated, the Governments chief legal adviser has said. Dominic Grieve QC, the Attorney General, said ministers should wake up to the threat of corruption in public life, which he attributed to minority communities that operate a favour culture. In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Mr Grieve praised the integration of minorities into British life, and pointed out that corruption can also be found in the white Anglo-Saxon community. But he said that the growth of corruption was because we have minority communities in this country which come from backgrounds where corruption is endemic. It is something we as politicians have to wake to up to. Mr Grieve said he was referring to mainly the Pakistani community but added that other minority communities had similar problems. His remarks could affect Britains relations with Pakistan. In 2010 David Cameron refused to apologise after he accused the country of exporting terror. Ministers are aware that high-profile stories involving child abuse, Islamist extremism, slavery and corruption in the Pakistani community are being used by far-Right agitators such as the English Defence League to stir sectarianism. Mr Grieve, the MP for Beaconsfield in Buckinghamshire, has a sizeable South Asian community in his constituency. I can see many of them have come because of the opportunities that they get. But they also come from societies where they have been brought up to believe you can only get certain things through a favour culture, he said. One of the things you have to make absolutely clear is that that is not the case and its not acceptable. He said electoral corruption in particular had increased. He identified Slough, Berks, as an example of where abuses had occurred. In 2008 a Tory councillor, Eshaq Khan, was found guilty of fraud involving postal ballots. Earlier this year the Electoral Commission announced it was considering introducing ballot box identity checks in Tower Hamlets, east London, in an effort to stamp out electoral fraud in areas with large South Asian communities. Asked if he was referring to the Pakistani community, Mr Grieve said: Yes, its mainly the Pakistani community, not the Indian community. I wouldnt draw it down to one. Id be wary of saying its just a Pakistani problem. He added: I happen to be very optimistic about the future of the UK. We have managed integration of minority communities better than most countries in Europe. Tory ministers have avoided singling out particular communities over political corruption. However, in 2010, Baroness Warsi claimed the Tories lost three seats at the general election as a result of voter fraud within the Asian community.
  4. Anyone who thinks this is a Canadian problem is hugely mistaken. It's a Sikh Panjabi problem with culprits in both Canada and equally in the UK. Here is a 2009 report from the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8370459.stm New Indian brides abandoned by British Asian husbands By Poonam Taneja BBC Asian Network Getty images Indian brides' families still pay dowries of up to £20,000 to some British men Thousands of brides in India are being abandoned by their British Indian husbands after they are married. Despite this, there is evidence to suggest that Indian women are continuing to fall for British suitors. In a dusty village in the Jagraon district of Punjab, northern India, 35-year-old Suman (which is not her real name), lives with her widowed mother in a small room in a crumbling building. Four years ago, the secondary school teacher married a British man in a wedding arranged by relatives. Shortly after the ceremony, her husband, who is in his 50s, left for London with the promise he would send for her. At first all appeared to go well. "He would visit two to three times a year. "Whenever he came to India, we had a good time," she said. However, on one visit he claimed her application for a spousal visa to the UK had been refused. It was like being a prostitute you take along and have a good time with and then leave behind 'Suman', 35 "He told me he had applied for an appeal. "But he has never shown me a copy of that appeal. He's never shown me any documents." The visits and calls ended, and for the past six months Suman has had no contact with her husband. "In hindsight, it was like being a prostitute you take along and have a good time with and then leave behind. "When he returned to England, there would be no communication. A month before he was due to come back, he established contact again. "Many a time I let that pass, thinking he might be busy, but now I get the feeling that I was being used all this time." In the bustling city of Chandigarh, lawyer and women's rights activist Daljit Kaur has dealt with many similar women who have been deserted by their husbands who live in the UK, Canada and the US. "There are 15,000 to 20,000 abandoned brides in India," she said. Daljit Kaur Daljit Kaurs thinks up to 6,500 British men may have left brides in India In India these women are called "holiday brides" and Mrs Kaur believes British grooms account for a third of all such cases. In the village of Rurka Kalan, in the Doaba region of Punjab, an area that has strong links to Britain's Indian community, I was taken to a local community centre, a bare single-storey concrete building. There I was staggered to discover up to a dozen women huddled together, clutching their marriage documents and wedding photographs. The youngest of these "holiday brides" were barely out of their teens. A pretty girl dressed in a shalwar kameez (tunic and trousers) had married a man from Coventry, central England. She said: "He did not give me any reason, why he did this. "I came to know later through relatives that he did not want to stay married to a girl from such a poor background." The eldest was a 41-year-old lady who was deserted by a Glaswegian man more than 20 years ago. She handed me a scrap of paper with an address scrawled on it, urging me to trace him for her. Not one of these women had re-married. They said their lives had been ruined in this socially conservative part of India, where divorce is frowned upon. Many are forced to depend on relatives for financial handouts. But Indian women are still falling for British suitors. Abandoned bride's wedding bracelets After marriage, they physically and mentally tortured me 'Rani', 25 Jassi Khangura, a businessman from London and now a politician in the Punjab Legislative Assembly, says Indian families are obsessed with emigrating to the UK. "People are desperate to migrate, because they don't think this land gives them the opportunities they need, particularly for girls," he said. Rani (not her real name) is one such 25-year-old is hoping for a better life in the UK. She got married in January. "When the marriage date was fixed he asked for around £12,000 so my parents sold our house, to give him the money," she said. In India, paying and accepting a dowry - a centuries-old tradition where the bride's parents present gifts of cash, clothes and jewellery to the groom's family - has been illegal since 1961. But the practice still thrives in rural areas, and a British Indian groom can command a dowry of up to £20,000 in Punjab. After Rani's marriage, her in-laws demanded more cash, but her parents could not pay, and she was dumped. "After marriage, they physically and mentally tortured me. "He made me abort my baby, then they threw me out of their house." Rani still wears her wedding bangles in the hope that she will one day be reunited with her husband in England. I managed to trace Rani's husband in England. He claims to have left her after discovering she had a boyfriend who she continued to see after they were wed. Balwant Ramoowalia Balwant Ramoowalia said fraudulent husbands should be sent to India Another "runaway groom" I located in England claimed he was duped by his Indian bride, who only married him for a British passport. UK matrimonial expert Tahir Mahmood helps arrange marriages, and believes British men are the victims. "Anyone from back home (India), they want British, British, British... the girls over there, don't care if someone has been married twice before, they don't care how he looks like or what his background is." The British government's Forced Marriages Unit says it has been dealing with a rising number of forced marriage cases involving British men. In India, legal action against missing British grooms is a complex and lengthy process. Clampdown sought Inspector General Gurpreet Deo, from the Punjab police force, said: "If the person is residing abroad, one has to seek recourse through the extradition treaty. "The expertise and knowledge of the police officers themselves in this area is so restricted, I don't think any case would reach that level." But politician Balwant Ramoowalia, of the Lok Bhalai party in Punjab, believes both India and Britain should clamp down. He said: "If there is any misconduct, cheating or fraud, the husband should be sent back to India. "There should be a provision that maintenance should be given to the girl till the case is final." The Home Office in the UK says it has not received a single extradition request in relation to abandoned Indian brides. Meanwhile the Indian government has set up a department to provide assistance to the thousands of women who live in hope of being reunited with their husbands.
  5. Condolences to the family. I hope a fresh investigation into this incident will bring justice to his family.
  6. Shaheed Bhai Beant Singh restored the fallen turban of the Sikh nation to full glory when he assassinated Indira Gandhi on this day in 1984. I was watching his son, Sarbjit Singh on Akaal Channel on 30th October. Both he and Ravi Singh from Khalsa Aid didn't hold back when criticising so-called panthic jathebandi's. Sarbjit Singh said that at the time of his father's death, Damdami Taksal announced in the press they would financially support his family with tuition fee's for school etc. One year later, upon collecting money from Mehta, they were told there is no more money coming! As Ravi Singh said, we (Sikhs) are ready to buy a car for so-called preachers who come from India, who haven't given any shaheedi. Yet someone who restored our turban back on our head, his son has to struggle to get menial jobs in Australia. Why aren't we helping people like Sarbjit Singh or indeed other shaheed families? Our priorities are totally misplaced. Mahaan smagams are all well and good, but is that what the shaheed families want? Entrepreneurial Sikhs should invest in Panjab to provide employment for these descendents of great shaheeds. Otherwise, it's just all hot air. It'll put a few noses out of joint, but sometimes its just got to be said.
  7. Once again, it falls on our shoulders to help save humanity, whilst the usual suspects from the 'religion of peace' are doing what they're best at. Death and destruction follows them everywhere.
  8. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24206688 Nairobi attack: How I led trapped to safety Satpal Singh said he wanted to help fellow Kenyans Satpal Singh was inside the Westgate shopping mall in the Kenyan capital Nairobi when gunmen opened fire. He describes how he helped to lead some of the trapped people to safety, and even went back inside to carry injured people out of the building, despite coming under fire himself. I was at the mall for a business meeting - we were upstairs where the Java coffee house is, where the children were doing their cooking competition at the car park. At about 12:25 we heard lots of gunshots and loud bangs downstairs near the main entrance, so I looked to see what was gong on. I saw people running in all directions, gunshots being fired everywhere and people falling on the ground. Nobody was going down there to do anything - people were just running away from the scene. I ran downstairs, and reaching first floor I came across an armed police officer near a pillar and I told him let's go down and see what the situation is and see what we can do. Face-to-face To my surprise, he never came down with me, so I just ran down alone where the jewellery shop is at the main entrance. I saw one man with his face down on the floor and another man was by the staircase bleeding. face down on the floor and another man was by the staircase bleeding. More than 1,000 people were in the shopping centre when gunmen opened fire As I went to help, I saw a Somali guy running at me from the stairs [and he] fired two shots at me. He was wearing a white shirt, he had a huge bag hanging on his right shoulder, and he was not wearing a mask so I actually saw him face-to-face. I don't know how he missed. To me it looked like a big gun, so it must be an AK-47, I assume. I think they were shooting anybody and everyone who came in their way, or was trying to help the people who had fallen down. When he fired the first shot I just ducked down quickly. He fired the second shot and he missed me, so then I ran back to the first floor to get this cop so we could go down and confront this gentleman. When I reached the first floor I couldn't find the policeman, so then it was back to the top floor. I rushed up there, then pushed everybody into Books First, which is where the cinema hall is, and told the security guard to put the shutters down. Then we heard the gunshots getting closer so we pushed people up to where the tickets are sold and told everyone to duck down. Armed police help civilians trapped in the mall, as they search for the gunmen We saw two people come up and they were firing in [all directions] and they had bandanas tied on their heads. We couldn't see their faces properly but we did see that they were carrying bags. Although the shutters were down, the windows were made of glass. We asked the employees from the cinema if there were any fire exits that we could use, so they took us to the movie theatre to show us where the fire exits were. Escape After we went through the fire exit, we went onto the top terrace on the top roof, and we blocked the door with construction equipment that was there, because we couldn't lock the door from the outside. There were gas welding machines, gas cylinders and bricks lying around so we took the gas cylinders and barricaded the door because they were quite heavy. I think [there were] over 40 people on the roof terrace - there was one policeman who was in his vest who had removed his shirt, I think for safety reasons, so that he couldn't be recognised by the terrorists, although he was carrying an AK-47. We had pregnant women with us, we had children with us, we had lots of people from different backgrounds with us. After about 45 minutes we [looked over to the]... car park where the cooking show was going on, where children were shot, and we saw people [there were] being mobilised toward the Java coffee house fire escape and being taken to safety. So we all went towards the fire escape on the roof terrace which lead to the Java coffee house, and we started going downstairs, all the way to the basement where deliveries are made. We could hear gunshots and loud bangs, so as soon as we reached the basement we started pushing people out through the gate onto the streets very fast. Once we got everybody out, the policeman who was with us went towards the basement to see if there was anybody there, or any terrorists, and he got shot in the leg and he dropped his gun so we had to bring him back out. Rescuing the wounded I met an ex-British soldier who said there were still people trapped on the top floor where we came from - he said he had touched the eyes of four people and they were not moving, they were dead. But there were others who were wounded and needed help. The police officers were armed, they had bullet proof vests, so we [asked them to]... come with us to the top floor and bring these people down. They didn't help us, so we decided to go up there again by ourselves. We found people with gunshot wounds - that's why blood is on my shoes. We carried them on our shoulders down the fire escape and we took them out - we rescued women and children who were injured and wounded. What went through my mind was just to save people and do what I could for fellow Kenyans. At that moment you are in a state where you do not care what happens to you, but you want to get out there, you want to control the situation, you want to do whatever it takes to save people. In the moment you surrender yourself to God and he encourages you, protects you and guides you and shows you which way to go. Satpal Singh spoke to Newsday on the BBC World Service
  9. Utter senseless madness. There is not a country in the world where muslims haven't caused pain, misery, death and destruction.
  10. I've never been to Canada as such, but from what I understand, canadians regard themselves as "indo-canadians", not Sikh Canadian. It is only in the UK whereby the House of Lords ruled that the Sikhs are a seperate race (1981)- that hasn't happened anywhere outside of the UK. Thereby, it follows that the average Sikh in the UK is more likely to regard themselves as British Sikh. Certainly where I'm from in West London, the majority of the councillors are Sikh (Hounslow/Ealing). However, we haven't been able to galvanise this political support to a national level. Us Sikhs seem to hit a glass ceiling and we're stuck in local politics.
  11. If I was an outsider, I'd think (a) these men are sick individuals who deserve to die in prison and (b) I'd think Punjab is a Sikh-majority state (just about) and therefore it is not surprising that most criminals and rapists will be from a Sikh background. In the same way that the majority of the rapists in the UK are white english, the majority in France will be white french. The point of THIS thread, however, is that a significant disproportionate number of rapists/groomers in a non-Islamic country (United Kingdom) are pakistani muslim (note: majority of rapists/groomers are still white in the UK, but a disproportionate number are pakistani-origin). Had we have been living in Pakistan, this wouldn't even be news unfortunately. Unfortunately for the UK, political correctness has infested our institutions to the extent they aren't willing to call a spade a spade. Not to mention the large muslim vote bank, which means politicians aren't willing to call a spade a spade either.
  12. Many posters on here are by default blaming "liberal parenting". I would say that there are also a few cases of very strict Sikh families whose daughters have 'run away' with the usual suspects. If you're too strict in your upbringing, you're also just as likely to be vulnerable due to lack of street-wise common sense. Only a few years ago the Singhs had to break down the doors of a house in Birmingham to rescue a 17 yr old amritdhari women who had been brainwashed by the usual suspects. Her family were amritdhari as well. It blew apart the notion that only "liberal" sikh families are affected by grooming. Open your minds a little.
  13. EDL and in particular, the EDL leadership, deserve the 100% support of all civilised mankind, be they Sikh or otherwise. As has been repeatedly said by the EDL, they aren't against Islam per se, but only the Islamic extremists and the extremist <Edited> ideaology that underpins it. Don't be surprised if, in years to come, non-muslims in the UK (and other EU member states) will have to pay a tax, or should I say "jizyah" to live in Great Britain, simply because in 2013 a bunch of spineless Sikhs and so-called Sikh leaders opposed the EDL in the name of so-called "inter-faith" harmony. Grow a backbone! Wake up...and smell the sharia.
  14. People certainly drink less and more sensibly. I also remember the old days, especially weddings in the Midlands. Guys dranks entire bottles of spirits, it's not even funny thinking about it. The quantities were horrendous! Trends and patterns have changed, for the better. But one thing I remember for sure, it was that weddings in the Midlands were on a whole other level compared to London.
  15. The short answer to your question is, yes, there is a difference between the asians, Sikh or otherwise, in the North when compared to the South. However, it is also worth mentioning that within the UK, there is a North/South divide in general, nothing to do with ethnicity or race or religion. Henceforth, there is a difference between white men from the north and white men from the south, etc etc. It is only natural that those differences will manifest in some form or another elsewhere as well.
  16. I'm far from an expert on these matters, but WLS/Legal Singh's version does sound familiar to me. There were many Sikhs from the Midlands and North who emigrated. One family I knew from Wolverhampton sold their pub and moved across the pond, only to hate it so much that they moved back to Wolves and bought the same pub back! Now, I'm no immigration expert, but things have to be pretty bad in Canada for one to move back to Wolves! :lol2: :stupidme:
  17. You just can't make this stuff up....! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Ai2Sb2smA
  18. isingh1699 - I couldn't have put it better myself. PakistaniPunjabi, I mean no bad will towards you personally, but the Pakistani's living in the UK are a malignant bunch. They have consistently underperfomed in British educational institutions for the past 40 years, achieving academic results similar to their east pakistani (yes, read "Bangladeshi") cousins, if not then similar to afro-caribbeans (who grow up mostly without a a father figure in UK households). That is where the British pakistani sits - at that end of the educational strata. What were you saying about an IQ of 49?! Lol! A very low achieving community indeed. It is no wonder that whereas other students aspire to join apprenticeships and further education, pakistanis look for militant training camps in Pakistan to go & fight British/American soldiers - no loyalty to the country that fed them on govt benefits/handouts. Are you going to say that the British Justice Secretary also has a IQ of 49? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10065046/Pakistani-community-must-tackle-grooming-gangs-justice-minister-insists.html Pakistani community must tackle grooming gangs, justice minister insists The Pakistani community in Britain must urgently address the problem of gangs systematically grooming and abusing young white girls, justice minister Damian Green has said.Just days after seven Asian men were convicted of carrying out crimes of “medieval” depravity against girls as young as 11, in Oxford, Mr Green said it was time to dismiss any vestiges of political correctness around the issue. The Oxford scandal was the fifth such case since 2010 with gangs of Pakistani men being convicted of similar grooming outrages in Rochdale, Derby, Rotherham and Shropshire. In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Mr Green, who is the minister for police and criminal justice, said he was setting up a Home Office led group to help tackle the problem of sexual violence against children. But he said it was also up to Pakistani community leaders to make it absolutely clear that such behaviour was “100 per cent unacceptable”. In the Oxford case, six girls were targeted by a gang mainly of Pakistani heritage who showered them with gifts and attention before subjecting them to acts of appalling sexual violence. The exploitation lasted for five years and only ended when the girls became brave enough to report their abusers to police. But there is growing concern that wider issue is being brushed under the carpet because the authorities are fearful of being accused of racism. Mr Green said: “It’s not sadly the first example we have had of organised serious exploitation and abuse involving Pakistani heritage men grooming and abusing white girls “I hope that what happens is that any last vestiges of political correctness that say, ‘there are some cultural issues to address here’ disappear, because this is criminality, pure and simple. “It goes without saying that every world religion condemns the exploitation and abuse of children and just as there are huge challenges to the social care system and the police, there are clearly challenges for community leaders to make it absolutely clear that this is 100 per cent unacceptable in any circumstances.” “I am encouraged that I have heard voices saying that over the last couple of days but I think that has got to be the starting point, that this must not be a cultural issue, this is just criminality and it applies to everyone.” Mr Green said the new Home Office task force would be aimed at helping those vulnerable to sexual exploitation by building in support across the criminal justice system. He explained: “This will mean their voices are heard earlier and listened to more carefully. It will build more support into the system and improve systems for identifying those at risk. “But our prime responsibility is, of course, stopping abuse before it starts. The group will be working to target the organised crime groups that perpetrate the sort of systematic abuse we saw in Oxford.” He said the group would also look at how social media is used by gangs to groom and abuse the vulnerable. Mr Green said while it was important to recognise exploitation and sexual abuse was a problem common to all parts of society denying the issue existed in the Pakistani community for cultural reasons was completely wrong. He said: “It is the case that most cases of child abuse actually involve the white British middle aged men, we have seen terrible examples of Jimmy Savile and others, but it does seem from the evidence that we have seen so far, a particular problem of this organised, systematic year after year grooming and abusing. “There is clearly more than one example of this within the Pakistani origin community so that itself is a specific problem and everyone particularly the community leaders need to recognise that as a problem we need to address.” It is clear from the article above that the British govt recognises that this a a widespread and systematic set up within the Pakistani community and that the govt will no longer pander to the left-wing socialists in the name of political correctness or the risk of losing the 'muslim vote', It's time to call a spade a spade, it's time to be straight-forward. I could go on and accuse you of being a "loser", but I'm not going to. There is only one community that deserves that 'title' and the British govt knows it!
  19. All we know is that 5 of them are pakistani, 2 are african, and the common denominator that unites them is Islam. For muslims or pakistani's to try to wash their hands off this and claim that "the men are mirpuri", as if Mirpur is somewhere in Argentina or something, is worrying. Whenever an issue occurs involving pakistani muslims, be it terrorism, paedophilia, grooming, the response is always the same: "don't blame Islam, don't blame pakistani's, don't blame pakistani culture" and instead, so-called community leaders will fall over backwards to blame "western influences on their children". Only last week on a BBC Asian Network debate, a certain Councillor Khan blamed "western culture of drugs/drink and poor social services". Shocking. Especially when one observe that Hindu's, Sikhs, Jews, Afro-Caribbeans etc grow up in with the very same "western culture" and yet they are not engaged in grooming, paedophilia or terrorism. But Pakistani's are. The Metropolitan Police Service has already warned that more plots will be unearthed and that this is the tip of the ice-berg. But one thing remains an absolute cast-iron fact. Be it paedophila, terrorism, grooming, drugs (Pakistani's in Norway), all roads lead to either Pakistan or men of pakistani-origin living abroad - Mirpur or otherwise. PS: Don't even get me started on medical disabilities resulting from genetic malformations from first cousin marriages and benefit fraud (handouts from the UK govt for non-British readers). It's about time British men of Pakistani origin and Pakistani's themselves took ownership of the issue rather then "blaming the west" or "blaming social services".
  20. ....that's right, you got it one, it's the good old pakistani muslims again, who seem to think they have a monopoly on grooming and paedophilia in the UK. The religion of peace once again leads the way in grooming vulnerable young women. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-23079649 Oxford grooming sex case: Brothers jailed for life Two pairs of brothers are among five men jailed for life for their part in a sadistic sex grooming ring which abused children from Oxford. Mohammed Karrar, 38, of Kames Close, Oxford, will serve at least 20 years after being convicted of 18 offences including child rape and trafficking. Bassam Karrar, 34, of Hundred Acres Close, Oxford, will serve at least 15 years. Akhtar and Anjum Doghar were also jailed for life. Akhtar Doghar, 32, and Anjum Dogar, 31, of Tawney Street in Oxford, will each serve a minimum term of 17 years. The men were convicted of several counts of of rape, child prostitution and trafficking. Plied with alcohol Kamar Jamil, 27, was jailed for life with a minimum term of 12 years. Jamil, formerly of Aldrich Road, Oxford, was found guilty of five counts of rape, two counts of conspiracy to rape and one count of arranging child prostitution. Assad Hussain, 32, of Ashurst Way, Oxford, and Zeeshan Ahmed, 28, of Palmer Road, were both jailed for seven years after they were found guilty of two counts of sexual activity with a child. At the men's trial the court was told how six girls were drugged and suffered sadistic abuse while aged between 11 and 15. The victims were plied with alcohol and drugs before being forced to perform sex acts. Some had also been beaten, burnt and threatened. Nine men had denied charges including rape, arranging child prostitution and trafficking between 2004 and 2012. Judge Peter Rook, sentencing at the Old Bailey, praised the courage of the six victims in coming forward, saying the men had blighted the victims' lives and robbed them of their adolescence. He said: "These six girls [the victims] have shown enormous courage in coming to the Old Bailey to give evidence, knowing they would be accused of lying, knowing they would have to relive their ordeals, knowing they have not been believed in the past." Judge Rook said he hoped the victims' courage will act as a deterrent to other men but also ensure the appropriate authorities will not fail in future to take action in the face of such activity. He told Jamil and the Dogar brothers, who were convicted of abusing girl one: "You took her soul. She felt as though it had been ripped out. You put her parents through years of sheer torture."
  21. Pakistani community must tackle grooming gangs, justice minister insists The Pakistani community in Britain must urgently address the problem of gangs systematically grooming and abusing young white girls, justice minister Damian Green has said.By Martin Evans, Crime correspondent. Just days after seven Asian men were convicted of carrying out crimes of “medieval” depravity against girls as young as 11, in Oxford, Mr Green said it was time to dismiss any vestiges of political correctness around the issue. The Oxford scandal was the fifth such case since 2010 with gangs of Pakistani men being convicted of similar grooming outrages in Rochdale, Derby, Rotherham and Shropshire. In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Mr Green, who is the minister for police and criminal justice, said he was setting up a Home Office led group to help tackle the problem of sexual violence against children. But he said it was also up to Pakistani community leaders to make it absolutely clear that such behaviour was “100 per cent unacceptable”. In the Oxford case, six girls were targeted by a gang mainly of Pakistani heritage who showered them with gifts and attention before subjecting them to acts of appalling sexual violence. The exploitation lasted for five years and only ended when the girls became brave enough to report their abusers to police. But there is growing concern that wider issue is being brushed under the carpet because the authorities are fearful of being accused of racism. Mr Green said: “It’s not sadly the first example we have had of organised serious exploitation and abuse involving Pakistani heritage men grooming and abusing white girls “I hope that what happens is that any last vestiges of political correctness that say, ‘there are some cultural issues to address here’ disappear, because this is criminality, pure and simple. “It goes without saying that every world religion condemns the exploitation and abuse of children and just as there are huge challenges to the social care system and the police, there are clearly challenges for community leaders to make it absolutely clear that this is 100 per cent unacceptable in any circumstances.” “I am encouraged that I have heard voices saying that over the last couple of days but I think that has got to be the starting point, that this must not be a cultural issue, this is just criminality and it applies to everyone.” Mr Green said the new Home Office task force would be aimed at helping those vulnerable to sexual exploitation by building in support across the criminal justice system. He explained: “This will mean their voices are heard earlier and listened to more carefully. It will build more support into the system and improve systems for identifying those at risk. “But our prime responsibility is, of course, stopping abuse before it starts. The group will be working to target the organised crime groups that perpetrate the sort of systematic abuse we saw in Oxford.” He said the group would also look at how social media is used by gangs to groom and abuse the vulnerable. Mr Green said while it was important to recognise exploitation and sexual abuse was a problem common to all parts of society denying the issue existed in the Pakistani community for cultural reasons was completely wrong. He said: “It is the case that most cases of child abuse actually involve the white British middle aged men, we have seen terrible examples of Jimmy Savile and others, but it does seem from the evidence that we have seen so far, a particular problem of this organised, systematic year after year grooming and abusing. “There is clearly more than one example of this within the Pakistani origin community so that itself is a specific problem and everyone particularly the community leaders need to recognise that as a problem we need to address.” Great to see the word "pakistani" used and not "asian". Furthermore, encouraging to see the Justice Minister not afraid to be candid with his views, unlike other politicans who are hiding behind political correctness.
  22. It was a good start and the type of exposure that we need. Channel 4 News won 'news programme of the year' at the Royal Television Society's journalism awards yesterday, ahead of Newsnight. Channel 4 certainly have shown the mettle to deal with tough and sometimes controversial topics in the past without fear of upsetting governments and embassies, the Sri Lankan genocide being a prime example.
  23. What a tragedy indeed. Such a huge, meaningless loss of life.
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