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  1. It is one thing to have a discussion with light jokes but it would be appreciated if you don't mention my parents in this discussion in such a vulgar manner. Anyway, I'm done with this.
  2. Really big loss for Bhai Sahib's family and our Panth
  3. If you think Mata ji is a collaborator with the Mughals who were waging a deadly war on the Khalsa then I feel sorry for you. You are just as illogical as the missionaries. Your shamelessness on this thread has inspired me to dedicate this poem to you in regards to doing Nindia of a Gurmukhi Pyara, Baba Banda Singh Bahadur ਗ਼ਾਫ਼ਲ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਰਦਾ ਨਿੰਦਾ, ਤੂੰ ਹੋਕੇ ਪੂਰਾ ਬੇਸ਼ਰਮ। ਬੰਦਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਾ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਬਣਕੇ, ਨਾ ਕਮਾ ਇਹ ਕੁਕਰਮ। ਹਠੀ ਹੋਕੇ ਜ਼ਿਦ ਵਿਚ ਖੋਕੇ, ਕਰਦੈਂ ਬੜੀ ਤੂੰ ਗੱਲ ਕੋਝੀ। ਬੰਦਾ ਸੀ ਬੇਦਾਗ ਹਸਤੀ, ਜ਼ਿਹਨ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਆ ਇਹ ਸੋਝੀ। ਤੁਰਕਾਂ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਤਸੀਹੇ ਝੱਲੇ, ਪਰ 'ਸੀ' ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਇਨ ਕੀਤੀ। ਐਸੀ ਸ਼ਹਾਦਤ ਕਰੇ ਕੋਈ ਵਿਰਲਾ, ਜੋ ਬੰਦੇ ਤੇ ਹੜਬੀਤੀ। ਬੇਤਾਜ ਅਮੀਰ ਸੀ ਇਹ ਬੰਦਾ, ਫਿਰ ਭੀ ਰਹੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਾਸ ਹੀ। ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਰੇ ਦਿਨ ਰਾਤੀ, ਸਿਮਰ ਕਰੇ ਸਾਸ ਗਰਾਸ ਜੀ। ਕੁਫਰ ਤੋਲਣ ਬਥੇਰੇ ਨਿੰਦਕ, ਪਰ ਸੱਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਪਾਸ। ਬੇਮਿਸਾਲ ਸ਼ਹਾਦਤ ਬੰਦੇ ਦੀ, ਜੋ ਇਲਜ਼ਾਮ ਕਰੇ ਸਭ ਨਾਸ। ਸਵੇਰ ਦਾ ਭੁਲਾ ਸ਼ਾਮੀ ਆਏ, ਨਾ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਭੁੱਲਣਹਾਰਾ। ਹੁਣ ਤ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਛੱਡਦੇ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ, ਬੰਦੇ ਦਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਕਸ਼ਨਹਾਰਾ।
  4. Mata Ji's letter was forged by the Mughals to pacify the Sikh warriors so they would stop following Baba ji. That is why the Sikhs did not stop following Baba ji and continued on waging war against the Mughals. The only time some Sikhs made the mistake of abandoning Baba ji was in Gurdas Nangal due to binod singh's treachery. So stop putting my Mata ji down to the level of your binod singh. Same with Baba Deep Singh ji. He has given divine Darshan to Sant Gurbachan Singh bhindranwale along with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur and other Brahmgiani Shaheeds which further proves his exaulted position among Shaheeds. Baba ji was personally chosen by Guru Sahib to lead the Khalsa. I have much more faith in Guru Sahib's choice than you. Still it is not too late. You are still alive and I advise you to repent for your sinful Karms on this forum of doing Nindia of a Brahmgiani Mahapurkh. Or else you will regret this dusht Karms in Jamlok but then it will be too late to repent.
  5. No doubt he had access to the info that was available to him. But who is to say all the info that he received is 100% accurate? Panth Prakash it is not Bani that we should take it to be 100% correct, at least I don't consider it to be 100% especially in regards to Baba Banda Singh Bahadur or the reason he gave for Bhai Mani Singh Jee's Shaheedi or even saying that Shaheed Baba Gurbaksh Singh jee first drank Bhang as soon as he woke up in the morning even before Ishnan or Nitnem which even goes against Nihang Maryada that is to do Ishnan then do Nitnem and only after that they eat or drink anything. Some information that Bhangu received is 3rd or 4rd generation hand information especially in regards to Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. How can we take that as 100% accurate? on the other hand one should look at all the information(especially contemporary) from that time period, read it with proper perspective and then come to a conclusion. Just look at the times of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. How much lies have been spread on him by Hindus and even by Sikhs like claiming he wanted to declare himself as a Guru. We have access to info like we never had in history. So we didn't repeat the mistake with Sant Jee that we made with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur in believing the misinformation.
  6. On the contrary, Dr Ganda Singh's book is all substantial with references from Persian and Mughal sources which are contemporary and did not make the mistake of only relying on Panth Prakash (written during the times of M Ranjit SIngh) for all his info like some members here on this forum
  7. Bhai Baaj Singh ji was not the son of Binod Singh. binod singh's son's name was Kahn Singh Ji. But both Baaj Singh Jee and Bhai Kahn Singh Jee were part of the Panj Pyaras and remained with Baba Jee and did not break ranks and abandon Baba Jee in Gurdas Nangal as binod singh did. The fact that his own son Kahn Singh ji stayed with Baba jee shows how wrong binod singh was in this matter. Later when all the Singhs were caught by the Mughals and being taken to Delhi binod singh used his influence with his Mughal buddies to free his son from captivity. Just look at the difference here. Baba Jee had a chance to save his infant son from a cruel death but didn't out of khalsa principle and he became a Shaheed along with his son. While that binod singh saves his son. The other other remaining three of the Panj Pyaras including Bhai Baaj Singh Ji became Shaheed with Baba Ji and no doubt are in Sach Khand. I will much rather listen to those Shaheeds than binod singh who spread these lies against Baba Jee in order to justify his treachery
  8. It is just semantics. Forget spirit or soul. ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਫਰਮਾਉਂਦੇ ਨੇ "ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਦੋਖ ਮਹਿ ਦੋਖ" ਸੋ ਤੇਰੀ ਜਿਹੜੀ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਇਹ ਨਿੰਦਿਆ ਹੈ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਇਸਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਫਰਕ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਣਾ ਕਿਓਂਕਿ "ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਦਾ ਨਿਰਲਪ" ਪਰ ਹਾਂ , ਜੇ ਫਰਕ ਪੈਣਾ ਤਾ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਪਊ ਜਦ ਤੇਰਾ ਵਾਹ ਜਮਦੂਤਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਪਿਆ|| ਪਰ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਉਸ ਵਖਤ ਸਮਝ ਆਊਗੀ ਜਦ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਵਰਗੇ ਸੰਤ ਮਹਾਪੁਰਸ਼ ਦੀ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰਨ ਦੇ ਜੁਰਮ ਵਿਚ ਤਸੀਹੇ ਝੱਲਣੇ ਪੈਣੇ. it is one thing if a person innocently does Nindia of a Brahmgiani like Babaji after reading Panth Prakash. But when a person is made aware of the slander against Baba Jee in Panth Prakash and still insists upon continuing his Nindia then he is responsible for his own torture he will endure in Yamlok from Jamdoots.
  9. Personally no. I don't support the thaali aarti either. But there is a way to get your views across without actually doing what the man in the picture did by physically trying to stop their tradition. That is beadvi in the eyes of Hazuri Sikhs present there. ਜੇ ਦਲੀਲ ਨਾਲ ਗੱਲ ਹੋਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਸਾਡੀਆਂ ਸਾਰੀਆਂ ਮੁਸ਼ਕਿਲਾਂ ਹੱਲ ਹੋ ਜਾਨ। Sadly I have seen a lot of times missionaries resort to such tactics as to intentionally offend other Sikhs that they do not agree with them like calling Dasam Granth as Gandh Granth, Gandh da Tokra and recently I saw a picture of bachitar naatak in a very dirty gutter and the missionary who did this Beadvi writes this is what all Sikhs need to do. What is the need for missionaries to do all of this? What will they gain other than make Sikhs fight one another. 20 years ago Sikhs were never fighting with each other over such religious issues as they are now.
  10. Mata ji had nothing to do with Binod Singh's son being released. That was all Binod Singh doing. The traiters had no real reason for doing what they did so they are tarnishing the name of Mata ji by trying to connect her to their treachery to Baba ji. Unlike Puratan times, today we have a lot of info regarding what happened back then and the lies are finally being exposed. And the so called difference between the two groups has also been disproved by historians and even in the video by the OP. Baba ji was, is and always will be held in high regard by Guru Sahib. No amount of slander will be able to change that. Only thing is, I am concerned for your spirit and how much punishment it will go through for the Paaps it is currently adding up for the slander against a Brahmgiani.
  11. Yeah and some should post pages of Dr Ganda Singh's book disproving them
  12. I respect Panth Prakash but I don't hold it's writing as infallible. I don't agree with Bhangu on some points besides Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. I don't agree with him that Bhai Mani Singh Jee got Shaheed due to his "sin" against Gurbani. But disagreement doesn't mean PP doesn't hold a special place in Sikh history. PP gives us great info about our Bazurgs even if sometimes it is not accurate on some points but still it should be studied by all Sikhs along with Sooraj Prakash Granth.
  13. What are you talking about? Binod Singh was the only one of the Panj Pyaras who left the councel of the Punj Pyaras and abandoned the Singhs. All the other 4 of the 5 Pyaras remained with Baba Ji including Binod SIngh's OWN SON! Binod Singh had contacts with the Mughals. He then recieved a Jagir from them for his treachery. This treacherous person then uses his influence with his Mughals friends to free his son from death. So this traiter not only broke ranks and disobeyed his leader, he left the councel of the Panj Pyaras, he saves his own son while letting all the other Singh die. On the other hand, Baba Jee was a Bedaagh Shaksee`at (a blot less personality). He was personally handpicked by Gurus Sahib. He lived and for his Guru's commands. He killed the killers of the Sahibzade, he created the first Sikh state and uprooted 800 years of Muslim rule. He gave land to the peasants who were living like serfs. And if that isn't enough, he died such a unimaginable torturous death but did not waver one bit. He had his own son's beating heart shoved into her mouth How can you compare this to the traitor who saved his son and accepted Jagir from the Mughals! I will defend Baba Jee as long as I have swaas in my body. You are doing Nindya of this Brahmgiani Mahapursh. You have no idea how much Paap you are putting on your head by doing this.
  14. Ran away is not the correct term. I have begun to write less on this forum due to lack of time since last year.
  15. Why would I respect the person who disobeyed his leader at a critical time, got Jageer from the Mughals and then used his power and influence to get his son freed from Mughal captivity while letting hundreds of Singh's get Shaheed in Delhi. He was a Santa Singh of his time period.