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Being polite as well.... Before I went to the Amrit Sanchar, I read the entire 'Amrit Sanchar' protocol in Gurbani Paath Darpan (written by Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa). Thus, I did not rush into the Amrit Sanchar without the proper knowledge. My biggest mistake was not inquiring about the Rehat the Gurdwara followed. (This mistake is made and cannot be undone). I was very happy at the thought of taking Amrit. And sitting in Guru Ji's Hazuri (wherever, whenever) always makes me happy. So...back to the Amrit Sanchar...I had the entire protocol of preparing Amrit (from Gurbani Paath Darpan) in my head - so as the Amrit Sanchar was proceeding, I realized that the full Chaupai Sahib was not read. I do not consider the Amrit that I took mitha paani because if one reads Gurbani over water, it becomes Amrit. But the Amrit that I took was not the Khande Baate da Amrit that Guru Ji intended us to take ('Guru's Amrit') because full 5 Banis were not read. As for Nihangs and other folks, I do not have problems with them. I just want to take the full 5 Bani Amrit (and the plan is to do so in a few days...with Guru Ji's Kirpa).

GurbaniUpdesh.org website is up and working.

The Rehat Pyari Mukh Ko is a separate (excellent) Katha. (And everyone should listen to it.) But I was referring to another Katha. Here's how to find the Rehat Maryada (Gurbani Paath Darpan) Katha: gurbaniupdesh.org --> MP3 Downloads --> Katha --> Giani Thakur Singh Ji --> Rehat Maryada (But the gurbaniupdesh.org website seems to be down....hopefully it'll be up soon.)

Here's another link to the same amazing Katha: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/katha/02_Present_Day_Katha/Giani_Thakur_Singh_%28Patiala_wale%29/Giani.Thakur.Singh.Ji--Sant.Da.Jeevan.mp3

Gurbani says: Nanak Bramh Giani Aap Parmesur. (Bramh Giani is God - because they have won the game of life and merged with God.) Bramh Giani Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa wrote out the Rehat Maryada very clearly: http://www.rajkarega...path-darpan.pdf You can also get it in 'book' form - it's called Gurbani Paath Darpan. This book even explains how the Sikh Panth deviated from Guru Gobind SIngh Ji's started Maryada - from cutting Rehras Sahib to disowning Raagmala....it contains very enlightening bachan. Alternatively (if you have trouble reading Punjabi), you can listen to 'Rehat Maryada' Katha by Giani Thakur Singh Ji (they read this book and also talk about their own experiences). You should check it out (especially the Amrit Sanchar part) - Panj Piare give Amrit, Gurmantar, Mool Mantar, Rehat. (There is no mention of a special, separate Naam Drir.) And I agree with the person who posted earlier - one should do some research before showing up for an Amrit Sanchar - find out the protocols they follow (I totally regret not doing this). And even when re-taking Amrit, make sure you do research as well (to make sure the protocols are consistent).

Interesting stuff. I wasn't exactly focusing on the organizations (as I think I made it seem) - I was focusing more on the science (the protocols and procedures). My main concern was 'the preparation of the Amrit'. Amrit belongs to Guru (as someone said earlier) and Guru Ji told us that Amrit must be prepared by reading the 5 Banis. When I took Amrit, the 5 Banis were not read in their entirety (the SGPC Maryada actually says that Chaupai Sahib should be read up till Dust Dokh Te Leho Bachaee...no further). Thus, the 5 Banis were not read (entirely) when preparing Amrit. I know that Taksal reads all 5 Banis in their entirety when preparing Amrit. So I just wanted the full 5 Bani Amrit like Guru Ji intended us to take. Panj Piare also give us Gurmantar and Mool Mantar. I received Gurmantar....but I did not receive the full Mool Mantar (and | know that Taksali Panj Piare would give the whole Mool Mantar). I was also given a less strict Rehat - only read 3 Banis in the morning (Japji Sahib, Jaap Sahib, Tve Prasad Swaiye), eat meat as long as it's not Halaal, etc. So I wanted the more strict Taksali Rehat from the Panj Piare. That is why I was thinking of retaking Amrit (to get the full 5 Bani Amrit, full Mool Mantar, and strict Rehat). My only question was whether anyone had heard of anyone retaking Amrit (from the beginning)... Anyways - it's okay - thank you for your inputs. (And to re-emphasize - I was focusing on protocols and procedures, not organizations/jathebandis.)

I was thinking of asking the Panj Piare as well. (I'm scared to death though - Panj Piare are Guru Roop.) I was also hoping that someone out there knew someone (or had heard of someone) who had taken Amrit using SGPC Maryada first... and then re-taken it using Taksali Maryada. (Or would I be the first one? :6 ) You are lucky to have access to Taksali Panj Piare. I wish I lived in the UK (I live in Ontario, Canada - far away from Toronto). But there is an Amrit Sanchar in Toronto on Feb 26 at Malton Gurughar (by students of Damdami Taksal I believe). I was also thinking further of my situation. The Panj Piare gave me the SGPC Rehat (we were told we only need to read 3 banis in the morning, etc. etc.). This Rehat also allows eating of animals and animal products as long as they are not prepared in the Muslim way. It also states that if you commit a Kurehat unintetionally, it doesn't count. (I'm in no way saying that this is right - but this is the Rehat I was given by the Panj Piare). So based on the SGPC Rehat Maryada (which I was given), I'm not a Kurehtiya... ....But that doesn't really get me anywhere. So the plan is this: With Guru Ji's Kirpa, I will present myself to the Panj Piare and ask them if I can retake Amrit (prepared with 5 Banis recited in their entirety) and receive the whole Mool Mantar/proper Rehat. But thanks for your input folks. If there is still someone out there who can answer my main question, please let me know. (Or if someone could ask Guru Gobind Singh Ji or Giani Thakur Singh Ji for me - that would be awesome as well.) PS - In one Katha (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Katha), Giani Thakur Singh Ji says that if you received Amrit from a woman Panj Piara (Singhni), your Amrit doesn't count and you should retake it. VJKK. VJKF.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa. Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh. As a scientist, I have learned that following a protocol (exactly) is very important - otherwise, an experiment does not work. For example, if one forgets to add TEMED to a polyacrylamide gel, it does not solidify (for those familiar with Western blotting). Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us a protocol to follow when conducting an Amrit Sanchar. The most central part of this protocol is the actual preparation of Amrit, which is prepared by Panj Piare (Amritdhari, Rehat-following Singhs) who take turns to recite the following Banis in their entirety: Japji Sahib, Jaap Sahib, Tvai Prasad Swaiye, Chaupai Sahib (up to ...Gobind Das Tuhaar), and Anand Sahib (40 Pauris). Details are important. If one leaves out part of a Bani, then the protocol has not been followed properly and the experiment (making Amrit) fails. When I took Amrit last year, the Panj Piare did not read the five Banis in their entirety (they left out the last part of Chaupai Sahib from Kripa Kari Hum Par Jag Mata...). This was because the Panj Piare followed the SGPC Maryada when preparing Amrit (my worst nightmare). (I signed up for an Amrit Sanchar in another city because there are never Amrit Sanchars where I live.) Because they did not read the five Banis in their entirety, I feel that I never took Amrit. I've felt that all year (it's not a very happy feelings). The Panj Piare also did not give us the whole Mool Mantar (only up to Gurprasad). I've kept the Rehat of Nitnem, Kakaars, etc. But I have erred in eating (I ate Doritos, M&Ms, stuff with glycerin - I was not familiar with the origin of a lot of ingredients at the time, but I've learned from my mistakes and I only eat sukki roti with dahin now ... sometimes with saag.) So I believe I have to appear in front of the Panj Piare for these mistakes. But I'm confused because I feel I never actually took Amrit in the first place. (I wish I could ask Giani Thakur Singh Ji about this.) So I was thinking of retaking Amrit from the beginning (to get Amrit that contains the five Banis in their entirety and to get the whole Mool Mantar up to Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach). Does anyone know if anyone has ever taken Amrit using SGPC Maryada and then retaken it (from the beginning) using Taksali Maryada? Thanks. (And I don't want to start some sort of crazy debate. I would prefer if like-minded Taksali folks commented (and SGPCers kept their distance).)

Bhaee Prapat Manukh Dehuria. Gobind Milan Ki Eh Teri Baria. Avar Kaaj Terai Kitai N Kaam. Mil Saadhsangat Bhaj Keval Naam. This is from Rehraas Sahib. We read it everyday. These lines are saying this: We have been given a human body. This is our (one and only) chance to meet with Waheguru. Why were we given this human body? We were given this human body to meet with Sadhsangat and meditate on Waheguru's Naam (be it Waheguru for Sikhs, Allah for Muslims, Ram for Hindus, God for Christians, etc.). Everything else (that distances you from Waheguru) is useless/fruitless. If we medidate on God's name, we will ultimately merge with God (the number of lifetimes this may take may vary person to person). Check out this Shabad - http://www.sikhitoth...p?ShabadID=1816. It talks of the Bhagats (born into Hindu or Muslim religion) who medidated on God's Name and ultimately became one with God. Hope that helped. Bhul Chuk Maaf. ~ Ek Chit Jeh Ik Shhin Dhiayo. Kaal Faas Ke Beech N Aayo.~

So the Toronto folks are adamant about installing these screens. Benti to Toronto Sikhs - before installing the LED screens, please please please inform the global Sangat, so everyone at least knows about this project. I found out thanks to SikhSangat - but not everyone (barely anyone) checks out online discussion forums. And, secondly, obtain approval from the global Sangat (and Guru Ji as someone suggested). Harmandir Sahib belongs to every Sikh (not a few Sikhs who feel that having LED screens that display Gurbani/Kirtan are absolutely necessary and they must be installed no matter what). If these screens create chaos & divide within the panth (as they are doing online)...what is the point of installing them?

Giani Thakur Singh Ji is in Singarpore til Oct 27th. (Source: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=110707055615667)

While posting our opinions on discussion forums is nice , we should also directly communicate our opinions with them: Email them at Sewa@Gursewa.Org or Call Parminder Singh at 416-358-4817 If you have emailed/called them, that's great. If not, please do so.

Benti from a fellow Canadian (and Ontarian): Please don't put these screens inside the complex. If you really, really, really want to install them, please put them OUTSIDE (NOT INSIDE). You can't force such a decision on the entire Sikh nation (perhaps you could send letters to all the Gurdwaras on this planet to poll their Sangat...to see what the global Sangat thinks of this idea...).

Check out this video (the audio dies in the middle, but it's worth a listen): Giani Ji has been warning us of horrible times ahead for a long time . (There are also hints throughout the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Katha. And, as most of us know, the most direct hint is on Scottishsikhs.org.)

Dhan Dhan UK Sangat - keep it up!