Harjeet

Thats exactly why they can get away with it. Because the pyramid heirachy is so long, nobody ever knows who is really at the top, who is really running things. The low level employees have a boss, their boss has a boss, that boss as his own boss, and it keeps going on and on. The research and studies shows a small group controls most the world. "AS PROTESTS against financial power sweep the world this week, science may have confirmed the protesters' worst fears. An analysis of the relationships between 43,000 transnational corporations has identified a relatively small group of companies, mainly banks, with disproportionate power over the global economy." - http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html I back my points with evidence and sources, you guys just have hearsay, and personal opinions. Im going where the evidence is taking me, and following my own intuition. Intuition comes from God, and never lies. But you cannot say the same, because you are thinking with your mind, but mind is ego and is subjective. Heart and intuition is objective, and it comes directly from source. Im making different points, its not my conspiracy theory. Im exposing their conspiracy. The mainstream lie! Nazi's were always enemies of humanity. The only reason they survived is because countries like the US, took them onboard just to steal their scientific research and overlooked their crimes. Yes but you see, what do you have to back up your point? Aren't you just spewing around theories now? The man was a military vet, they have experience in dealing with people from all types of cultures, whatsmore he was a neo-nazi. Look at the article from the first post, he is pictures next to a nazi flag, that means he believes in their ideology. He would have wanted to go after arabs not sikhs. He was smart enough to plan an attack, but he is not smart enough to know that it said "sikh temple". He would of known where the mosques are. Remember the fbi have a history of recruiting white supremacists, and mind controlling them. Thats why "my theory" is not so crazy, because it really does happen. Look here is the proof! "The FBI has run racist and white supremacist groups since the 1960s. Under COINTELPRO, the FBI “subsidized, armed, directed and protected the Ku Klux Klan and other right-wing groups,” Brian Glick writes. Racist groups were used to create a strategy of tension by attacking groups on the so-called left, including anti-war, Chicano and Puerto Rican activists and nationalists." http://www.infowars.com/fbi-nazi-bikers-bust-fbi-nazi-group/ remember before saying infowars is crap, if you actually read the article they link to the original source, which happens to be from the msm and official documents. So read those before calling bluff. Did you research operation gladio? No.... Did you research operation northwoods.... no you didn't, so you can't claim anything, unless you know all the sides to the story. The gov has a history of doing these sorts of things, im not just making a new thing up here! Even if you don't believe in what im saying, you cannot rule it out at this point. Im so confident that this is correct, I assure you, because you are Sikh's of the Guru, on the path of truth, you will come to realise all of this anyway, eventually. And you will be like "oh yeah, that guy was right" lol im not trying to give myself props, im not clever or anything, just i can see the same patterns as always, just like JFK, was a coverup inside job, to 9/11 they are all the same. There is an agenda. Remember, everything happens for a reason nothing is arbitrary. God instilled conscious intelligence in all things. And this is kalyug by the way. But that is soon to end also, and the corruption will be exposed. And if im a liar or wrong, i will be exposed. God himself will punish me so don't worry.

read my post why i think it was not a hate crime, but government sponsored terror. http://www.sikhsangat.com/Index.php?/topic/67755-why-i-believe-it-was-not-a-hate-crime-white-supremacists/

Also remember this? "Seven victims died before police arrived on the scene at 10:25 am in Oak Creek. The mainstream media is pointing to this incident being “the second mass shooting in the US in less than a month” while also mentioning that this tragedy could be related to the House of Representatives requesting that FBI monitor hate crimes directed at Sikhs in April; nearly 2 months ago, Attorney General Eric Holder and FBI Director Robert Muller were warned to watch for this exact type of incident. Naming Sikh-Americans as possible targets for “hate crimes” the letter to Holder and Muller commented on the Sikh’s “distinct identity and common misperceptions with respect to their attire and appearance” saying that this group is often erroneously believed to be “affiliated with extremists and were somehow responsible for the September 11 terrorist attacks.” The Sikh Shooting: DoJ and FBI Warned of Planned Terror Attack in April

Because it is not too long after the Colorado shootings, and the Arizona shootings last year, aswell as the Norway incident. Its about adding to the fear of guns. Because of that UN document. I posted a link about it. I agree with the rest of your post, but remember this guy was in psy ops, in the military he is not your average racist american, he would of wanted to go after arabs, and he was smart enough to know who they are. What about the issue of the cover up? 4 shooters were seen, but reports of only 1 shooter now? But you are right, lets turn this into a positive now, lets educate the world about sikhi, but it seems the media have already forgotten, they aren't covering this story any more. Its up to us.

First of all this does not mean, that there aren't alot of ignorant people out there, that cannot tell the difference between sikhs and muslims. So ofcourse we should look to educate the masses about that. However i feel this case is different. I will give my reasons why. The suspected shooter Wade Michael Page was being monitored by the feds before this incident even happened. So that proves they had prior knowledge. Similar to 9/11. Here is the article about that. http://www.dailymail...s-massacre.html He was a neo nazi/white supremacist. These neo-nazis, believe that nothern Indians are decsendents of the aryan race. The indo-aryans. They believe that the white aryan race, is the most superior, but that the Indians are descendents of that lineage. They respect Indians more than blacks, jews and muslims. The shooter was in the military, in psychological operations. To be in that position, you have to have some level of intelligence. So you are telling me, he couldn't tell the difference between a sikh temple and a mosque? The Gurudwara even says "SIKH TEMPLE" on the outside. If he was so commited and organised to plan this shooting, but yet do you think he was so dumb not to know we are not muslims? Remember he has a 9/11 tattoo, so if it was a hate crime, he wanted to go after muslims, but he is clearly intelligent to know Sikhs are not muslims. He served in the military! This case is different to that of murder of Balbir Singh Sodhi, the gas station owner that WAS a hate crime. Because it was your average, angry, ignorant american who killed him. His killer said to "shoot muslims", and mistook him for a arab. But in the Wisconsin case, this is different. Because he is a white supremacist, neo nazi who served in the military he can tell the difference between a Sikh and an arab. He had been in wars against arabs..... "The bald, heavily-tattooed bassist trained in psychological warfare at Fort Bragg before he was demoted and discharged more than a decade ago." Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz22x6C45wx Whatsmore they say he was the only shooter, but it was reported that Satwant Singh Kaleka tackled a gunman, but was shot in the back by another gunman. So if there was only one gunman who shot him in the back? This fbi report says only 1 shooter as well as all media outlets are now saying only 1 shooter. But what about these witnesses saying there were 4 guys, dressed in black. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYCurbSAsd4&feature=channel&list=UL Now this gets weird. Satwant Singh Kaleka who was killed, is the father of Amardeep Kaleka, who is working on a film called Sirius, with Dr Steven Greer(who is a extra terrestrial contacee) which is about exposing the alien existance that is already present on Earth, and about free energy technologies, that our governments are covering up. http://current.com/c...mple-in-wis.htm Now im not saying it was about him, but if you know me, I believe the government staged incidents like 9/11, and if they are willing to do that, then can do this. They might of also trying to be sending a message about the film sirius. But there is no conclusive evidence about any of that. This is the trailer for that film though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-HZsqsW6qQ But my previous points before this are valid. Michael Page is a white supremacist, not your average ignorant american, who doesn't know the difference between a sikh and an arab. He was in the military guys, so im sure you know. So then you might ask why did this happen then? Well the UN and the obama administation have a gun-grabbing agenda going on right now. http://www.forbes.co...rt-of-the-deal/ You see, there is a battle for guns world wide. In the USA, they want to take away your second amendment. But remember if just one person in the Gurudwara was armed, they probably could of stopped the massacre. Remember the police officer himself shot the suspect dead. But if we had our own guns we could of done it alot sooner. Be pro second amendment. Also if you don't believe that government stages their own terrorists attacks look at operation gladio, operation northwoods, these are official declassified documents which admit the US staged terror attacks on its own people. Also look at the case with fast and furious right now, with Eric Holder. The US were shipping guns to mexican drug gangs, which were used to kill american citizens, can you believe this? And they were blaming the second amendment, when it was the goverment themselves giving known criminals guns! But now people have realised, and they are being impeached, but it i a slow process, and it needs more awareness! https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=846 "But thanks to the scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, that's what he's best known for: overseeing an operation that put more than 2,000 guns into the hands of a Mexican drug cartel and led to the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and a U.S. Border Patrol agent." Thousands of articles on it, this agenda has been going on for some time. People have been saying to prepare for these shootings, and massacres as the US is preparing for martial law. Did you know in america, they have the TSA who actually stick their hands down your pants at security checkpoints like at airports, sporting events and things. That is messed up. They have FREAKING predator drones flying around the skies. Thats crazy thats the definition of martial law. So its not too crazy to think that this has been staged too. Its happened at the perfect timing! They said they were preparing for it. They create the problem, then hand out the solution. And their solution is to take our freedom away. We must wake up, and create a revolution. They messed with the wrong people. But anyway my main point was, this was not a case of mistaken identity/hate crime, because neo nazis/white supremacists know the diffrence between sikhs and arabs. Its the average racist, ignorant american who mistakes sikhs and arabs but not nazis. But we will defeat them all.

I think this should inspire us to take our sikhi to the next level. When we do that Guruji will automatically show us what we need to and how to protect ourselves. But keeping a gun, in kalyuga....... sounds like a good idea to me. At the same time we shouldn't fear anything. If it is Guruji's will we are to die, we will die, if it is his will that we live, we will live.

I know im not smarter than anyone else. Just i feel like i've been waking up from a deep trance/sleep. And i can see the lies everywhere. Anyone can do it, its just about opening your mind. Yes i understand its kalyuga to, and ofcourse understanding of sikhi is the most important thing. The more i have been getting into sikhi the more i have also become aware of these issues. But this is about sikhi, our gurudwara and people were attacked, and we need to find the true culprits, if we want to prevent this from happening! Thats why im talking about this. Because i don't want sikhi to be attacked. But ultimately it is our fault, the better sikhs we become, the more empowered we will be and the less problems we will face. Because guruji will show us how to face them. Im glad we can agree on that. That Sikhi is the priority. The reason i was speaking against the "illumati" or whatever you people may call them, because they are attacking sikhi, not just that they are attacking the world. So we need to defeat them. Regardless of what people might think, we will defeat them and all other types of corruption, by becoming better sikhs. Kalyug is coming to an end.

I was mentioning others who said that. You should read propaganda by edward bernays. He was one the guys that invented this type of stuff. “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.” You would be suprised that is why they call it programming. You live in the brainwashed world. Just like the rest of the masses, wake up! And what is more positive than the truth? Its not like i have an agenda, im not trying to make money, just open your mind. You haven't seen nothing yet.

Exactly, whatsmore they said they saw dodgy people days before hanging around the gurudwara. So they were obviously planning, they knew it was not a mosque. And yet he had a 9/11 tattoo. Don't you guys sense something fishy going around here? Witnesses said there was 4 shooters, but the media reports it was only one guy. Outside it clearly says "sikh temple". They knew it was not a mosque.

Why would you give everyone a nuclear bomb, thats being irrational. Ofcourse banning guns takes away freedom. Guns are cool and serve to protect you. Thats what freedom is about, you live with danger. You don't become a coward. Freedom is you can do whatever you want aslong as you don't harm anybody. A nuclear bomb creates radiation, that isn't right to keep around. Because it would be harming everyone. This isn't about crime rates. Criminals will have guns anyway, having your own gun you can defend yourself. Like in my first post, that story about the old lady, who protected herself from theives. And the sources link to other sources like the msm, so its not made up. And oh my god you are talking about uk gun crime compared to the US. That is totally messed up aswell. Because although guns are supposedly legal in the US, there are many laws preventing gun ownership. Even though guns are "legal" in the US most American citizens actually do not have guns(it was 45% in 2010), i was talking about a country like switzerland where everyone is armed, and encouraged to be, and gun crime rate is very low there. If you don't understand the quote from Benjamin Franklin, you need to expand your consciousness. There is nothing to fear. Because there is a God, and this is a vibrational universe. Don't think like a materialist. Cars cause more death then guns, does that mean we should ban cars TOO? DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULDN'T STEP OUTSIDE OUR FRONT DOOR? More people have died from bee stings then terrorists DO THAT MEAN WE SHOULD BAN BUMBLE BEES NOW? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9359763/Bee-stings-killed-as-many-in-UK-as-terrorists-says-watchdog.html FREEDOM! you should laugh in the face of danger, thats what being alive is about. There is danger everywhere, If you percieve it like that.

Why do people have to use insults, thats pretty primitive. Like calling me stupid, say i need to go see a doctor etc Am i not your brother? Can't you just make your point and leave it as that? We can disagree, but that doesn't mean we should not respect one another, at the end of the day we are still working towards the same goal. We are in this together. Atleast im speaking out for what i believe in. And nothing I said is negative or against Sikhi. You could of just said, "bro, i don't agree, i think this, but i still love you". But because you didn't, this proves you are still under the influence of the violent culture that society tries to program us with. Why do you think tv shows are called "programming"?

They might be the most high tech, but they are still people aswell, they are not going to go along with tyranny if they were aware of it. It doesn't matter if they are the most high tech, its not like they are bulletproof robots, they can still get shot. Governments are afraid of an armed public, because they can revolt. Thats what the second amendment was designed for. There you go stereotyping. Rednecks huh. You say its rubbish but you don't say why? I could say the same for you, your rubbish. But that doesn't prove anything? You talk about blaming the right? but now you are just coming up with theories. Its not about left or right, its about our freedom. Why is it stupid? More evidence involved that this shooter was involved in psy ops in the military, and that dodgy people were examining the Gurudwara days before. They knew we are not muslims and have nothing to do with 9/11. Thats just the story they want you to believe, that it was a hate crime. Who cares about those people, im not blaming anyone else, its all our fault. Its all our karma. Therefore we can resolve the issue, its not about blaming anyone. There are more countries where guns are illegal, than countries where they are legal, so statistics would show that. But they also show that that countries that do allow guns, don't have the highest gun crime. That is what freedom is about, that even in danger you won't give up your freedom for security. Like Benjamin Franklin said - “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Don't be scared like an atheist. If you know about sikhi and karma, you know there is nothing to fear. Liberty or death, we are not being slaves. Even the Guru's fought for the rights of the Hindus, despite not believing in their religion. Its about freedom. Even if you don't agree with me, you should fight for my right to speak freely. Aslong as i am not doing any harm to anyone. Which im not, I am not saying anything that is anti-sikh. You just can't handle what your being told. That everything you know about the world is actually a lie. You don't want to change do you? But we came here to evolve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLY2FaCPEHI&feature=channel&list=UL

The Sikh Shooting: DoJ and FBI Warned of Planned Terror Attack in April "Naming Sikh-Americans as possible targets for “hate crimes” the letter to Holder and Muller commented on the Sikh’s “distinct identity and common misperceptions with respect to their attire and appearance” saying that this group is often erroneously believed to be “affiliated with extremists and were somehow responsible for the September 11 terrorist attacks.” Same guys involved with fast and furious. It is an attack on the 2nd amendment. Don't give up liberty. “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Benjamin Franklin

I love you too. The Sikh Shooting: DoJ and FBI Warned of Planned Terror Attack in April "Naming Sikh-Americans as possible targets for “hate crimes” the letter to Holder and Muller commented on the Sikh’s “distinct identity and common misperceptions with respect to their attire and appearance” saying that this group is often erroneously believed to be “affiliated with extremists and were somehow responsible for the September 11 terrorist attacks.” Same guys involved with fast and furious. But this is stupid right?