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  1. source: http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/john-ivison-on-trudeaus-india-trip-and-the-atwal-affair-national-security-adviser-daniel-jean-had-a-line-and-stuck-to-it This article shows daniel jean breifing today was water down version(to save face diplomacy with) than ACTUAL REAL briefing he gave John Ivision back in feb: John Ivison: On Trudeau's India trip and the Atwal affair, Daniel Jean had a line and stuck to it Jean revealed fewer details on the events surrounding the ill-fated trip than he did at the time to journalists (including this one) Daniel Jean, national security adviser to the prime minister, prepares to appear at a Commons national security committee on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Monday, April 16, 2018.Justin Tan/THE CANADIAN PRESS John Ivison April 16, 2018 7:45 PM EDT Filed under Canadian Politics Comment Facebook Twitter Reddit Email More There can be no doubt that Canada’s national security adviser was telling the truth, and nothing but the truth, when he appeared before a parliamentary committee on Monday, in an attempt to clear up the Jaspal Atwal affair. But Daniel Jean was explicit that he could not tell MPs the whole truth, because much of it remains classified. The upshot was that Jean revealed fewer details on the events surrounding Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s trip to India than he did at the time to journalists (including this one). Jean said he elected to give certain journalists a background briefing in February on convicted attempted-murderer Atwal’s appearance at a reception in Mumbai to counter a “false narrative.” Atwal posed for a photo with Sophie Gregoire Trudeau in Mumbai and was invited to another event at Canada’s embassy in New Delhi by Liberal MP Randeep Sarai. An article in the Vancouver Sun about Atwal’s presence at the event asked how someone with his criminal and Sikh separatist past could be cleared to attend official functions in India. Jean said this is what prompted him to call a handful of journalists in Ottawa the next day to offer an alternative to what he suggested was “co-ordinated misinformation” – that the RCMP, CSIS and the Canadian High Commission were aware of Atwal’s invitations to the events but did not act to rescind them. Jaspal Atwal arrives to read a statement to reporters in Vancouver in March. Ben Nelms for National Post “I never raised a conspiracy theory,” he said. “What I said is that there was co-ordinated efforts to try to misinform and I said these were either private people – it was definitely not the government of India, and if it was people from India, they were acting in a rogue way.” Atwal was a one-time member of the International Sikh Youth Federation – now listed as a terrorist entity by Ottawa – who was convicted in 1987 of trying to kill a Punjab cabinet minister vacationing in B.C. However, he is no longer considered a terrorist threat by Canada or India. The issue for the security services was more that Atwal’s presence was an embarrassment. “It was a faux pas. It should not have happened,” Jean told the committee. He offered a much less fulsome account than the one he gave me on February 22nd, when he alleged Atwal’s presence in India “was not an accident”. He said Atwal had developed links with the Indian government, as his views on Sikh separatism had evolved. “They no longer see him as the enemy,” Jean said at the time, pointing out he had been taken off a travel blacklist, allowing him to visit India twice in 2017. Jean said Atwal met with Indian diplomats from the consulate in Vancouver. Atwal’s own social media account shows he visited the Indian External Affairs department in New Delhi last year. The national security adviser suggested it might be convenient for some in the Indian government to embarrass the visiting Canadian prime minister over the perception that he is soft on Sikh separatism. When I asked which part of the Indian government might be so motivated, he said: “The intelligence service.” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau visits the Jama Masjid Mosque in New Delhi on Feb. 22, 2018.Sean Kilpatrick/CP In subsequent interviews, he asked a number of rhetorical questions: Who knew Atwal was in India? Who took the pictures of Atwal with the prime minister’s wife? And who sent them to Canadian media? Jean’s intervention – unprecedented for a national security adviser, in my experience – led to the opposition parties accusing the Liberal government of peddling conspiracy theories that have adversely impacted Canada-India relations. The Indian government subsequently issued a statement denying any involvement – “including by the security agencies” – in the Atwal affair. But rather than pressing Jean for evidence of activity in Canada by rogue Indian operatives, the opposition members of the public safety committee were more intent on blaming the Prime Minister’s Office for wheeling out the national security adviser to engage in damage limitation. Consequently, they emerged from committee none the wiser, which was predictable, but also no better informed, which was not. It’s hard to know what to make of Jean’s testimony. It seems that he may have said too much in late February, although he denies revealing classified information. National security adviser Daniel Jean points to ‘coordinated misinformation’ in Jaspal Atwal affair Andrew Coyne: Serious questions remain around Atwal affair despite partisan silliness Still, his actions have attracted criticism within the intelligence community. Phil Gurski, a former strategic analyst at CSIS who now runs Borealis Threat and Risk Consulting, said on his blog that Jean did what everyone in intelligence knows is wrong: “disclose sensitive information to those not entitled to receive it.” Jean’s questions about how the pictures of the prime minister’s wife and Atwal surfaced are valid. Atwal blamed “enemies” for circulating the photos obtained by the Vancouver Sun, in the article on February 22. But Jean’s defence of CSIS, the RCMP and the High Commission in India can’t deflect from the fact a simple Google search of the names on the invitation list to the Indian events would have revealed. The vetting process was clearly slapdash. But the national security adviser had a line and he was sticking to it. From the government’s point of view, any reminder about the ill-fated passage to India is a trip down misery lane. That Jean did not make things worse will be regarded as something of a triumph. jivison@postmedia.com Twitter.com/IvisonJ
  2. Based on the recommend by BHforce veer, i am opening new thread on its own as i don't want to go off-topic from jagmeet singh thread, please discuss your recommendation and brainstorming ideas Here is an JAW DROPPING ARTICLES REVEALS SO MUCH from intelligence officers article, i will post my thoughts based on my limited buddhi below: http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/jaspal-atwal-1.4563222 Opinion Why wasn't Jaspal Atwal on Canada's no-fly list?: Neil Macdonald It is unlikely that any effort was made to vet Atwal's name with CSIS By Neil Macdonald, CBC News Posted: Mar 06, 2018 4:00 AM ET Last Updated: Mar 06, 2018 4:00 AM ET Justin Trudeau's Minister of Infrastructure and Communities Amarjeet Sohi pictured with Jaspal Atwal in Mumbai Feb. 20. (Name withheld by request) 1557 shares Facebook Twitter Reddit Google Share Email About The Author Neil Macdonald Opinion Columnist Neil Macdonald is an opinion columnist for CBC News, based in Ottawa. Prior to that he was the CBC's Washington correspondent for 12 years, and before that he spent five years reporting from the Middle East. He also had a previous career in newspapers, and speaks English and French fluently, and some Arabic. More by Neil Macdonald Video by Neil Macdonald Related Stories Conservatives fail in bid to bring national security adviser to testify on Atwal affair Trudeau tries to distance himself from would-be political assassin Jaspal Atwal It's the Atwal effect — and nobody's immune Never mind the matter of why the failed assassin Jaspal Atwal would be invited to any sort of diplomatic reception, let alone one starring Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his wife. Political parties can be venal and willfully blind to ugly realities in pursuit of votes, and that should be no surprise. The better question is this: how in heaven's name was that man allowed to set foot on a passenger aircraft, in an age of no-fly lists so strict that babies with names similar to violent extremists are denied boarding? The answer is that Jaspal Atwal is not on the list, and almost certainly never was, despite the fact that by any of the definitions law enforcement uses to define a terrorist, Jaspal Atwal is a terrorist. And not an aspirational one, either, like some of the clumsy fools who have been reeled in over the years by overweening government stings. No, Jaspal Atwal belonged to a cohort of Sikh extremists who, from their base in Canada, fought a violent war against the government of India in the '80s. Their hatred may very well have been justified – the Indian government was as ruthlessly vicious as they were. Air India bombing But the facts are not arguable: Atwal's fellow travellers bombed a jumbo jet, killing 329 innocent souls, over the North Atlantic in 1985. And they narrowly failed to bring down a second airliner, which instead exploded on the tarmac at Tokyo's main airport, killing two baggage handlers. Atwal himself tried his very best a year later to murder a high official of the Indian government on Canadian soil. He failed only because his target, Malkiat Singh Sidhu, managed to feign death, despite the two bullets Atwal and his confederates had already fired into his body. (Five years later, other Sikh extremists finished the job for Atwal, murdering Sidhu near his home in Moga). In any case, in their day, Atwal and his ideological colleagues were in the same league as, and in fact even more deadly than other far more famous groups: the Baader-Meinhof gang, the Shining Path, Black September, the IRA, the Red Army Faction. Certainly, they were a far more lethal threat than the disturbed homeless man who shot a reserve soldier in the name of Allah in Ottawa nearly four years ago, and was subsequently shot dead himself in the Parliament buildings, providing hawks with justification for a controversial new anti-terrorist law. Sikh extremists were a closed, fanatical bunch, and virtually impossible to penetrate, as Canada's nascent intelligence service learned. They were CSIS's first and greatest failure; Canada's international shame, a former CSIS chieftain called them. And yet there was Atwal, posing with a beaming Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, at a Canadian diplomatic reception in India last month, having boarded a plane and flown to India a few days earlier. Sophie Trudeau and Jaspal Atwal pictured at a film industry influencers event with Indian film stars in Mumbai Feb. 20. (Name withheld by request) The explanation for the invitation is pretty obvious: Atwal, since his release from prison decades ago, has remained active in Sikh politics, and became prominent in the apparatus of the Liberal Party of Canada, which depends heavily on the Sikh vote. Atwal was in fact invited to the reception by a Sikh Liberal MP, and he has been posing for photos with Liberals, federal and provincial, for years. It is unlikely that any effort was made to vet Atwal's name with CSIS. His name is in the CSIS system, and would have been instantly flagged. But the explanation for his ability to get on a flight to India is far more interesting. In search of that answer, I spoke recently to four former Canadian intelligence officers from the era of the Sikh wars. All, as you'd expect, were disgusted at the photo of Atwal in India. Three of them once had roles overseeing Canada's no-fly list. The list, they say, is exceedingly short, at least compared to the American list. It is curated by Transport Canada, with input from CSIS and the RCMP, and it remains secret. In order to be placed on it, said one ex-spy, authorities have to make the case to a multi-departmental committee that the individual poses a threat to aviation — a bar one of the agents who participated in the committee meetings felt was far too high. Often, he said, CSIS would come away frustrated in its efforts to have an individual placed on the list. And especially since 9/11, the focus of the list, and of our intelligence agencies, has been just about exclusively on Islamic jihadists. Its greatest recent growth has been fed by names of Canadians who have flown off to fight in Syria. Canada's spies are bound tightly to their American counterparts, and respond to American priorities, and, says one of the ex-agents I spoke to, the Americans never really cared about Sikh extremists. As far as they were concerned, the Sikhs were just killing each other, which was fine with them. (It should be noted here that of the 329 killed in the Air India bombing, the vast majority carried Canadian passports. None was an American citizen). All four of the former intelligence officers I spoke with reckoned that Atwal cannot possibly be on the American no-fly list either, because Canadian carriers are extremely skittish about boarding anyone on that list, even on a flight not flying into American airspace. OPINION: Sikh activism in Canada is not the Khalistani extremism of decades past Man convicted of attempted murder says he bowed out of event in India to save Trudeau embarrassment Let's go beyond Atwal, though. Here is another excellent question: What about Inderjit Singh Reyat, who served time in prison for actually building the bomb that brought down Air India Flight 182 in 1985, and who is now free on parole? Is he on our no-fly list? Or Ajaib Singh Bagri? Or Ripudaman Singh Malik? Both those men were early, prominent members of Babbar Khalsa, the group that hatched the airliner bombings, and while they were acquitted in court of conspiracy and murder, any ISIS- or al-Qaeda-style jihadi with their credentials would likely never fly again. Are they on the Canadian list? It is worth considering that Sikh extremist groups – Babbar Khalsa, or the International Sikh Youth Federation, to which Atwal belonged – have more in common with the IRA, or the FLQ in Quebec, than with, say, ISIS. Like the IRA, the Sikh groups are not regarded as terrorists, and indeed warmly regarded, in certain sectors of their diasporas. The IRA enjoyed considerable fundraising and popularity in cities like Boston and Montreal back in the days when it was carrying out bombings of British targets, and the portrait of Talwinder Singh Parmar, the founder of Babbar Khalsa and mastermind of the Air India bombing, still hangs in Sikh religious centres in British Columbia. Paul Rose, the leader of the FLQ cell that kidnapped and strangled Quebec cabinet minister Pierre Laporte in 1970, entered politics after his release from prison and was even a nominated candidate for the New Democratic Party of Quebec in 1992. Quebecers took a much more sympathetic view of him than English Canadians. Atwal is sort of a Sikh version of Paul Rose. But even if he evaded placement on the no-fly list, and wangled an invitation to a prime ministerial event, there is one more puzzling question about his visit to India: Why would the Indian government have let him in? The Indians despise Sikh separatists, and agents of the RAW, India's intelligence agency, have been caught repeatedly operating against Sikhs on Canadian soil (If you can't deal with these bastards, we will, RAW reportedly once told CSIS). All of the ex-agents I spoke to had the same theory: Atwal, they assume, had elected to cooperate with Indian intelligence. That, and a decision by the current Indian government to pursue some sort of rapprochement with the Sikh diaspora – the Khalistani separatist movement in Canada is now all but moribund – would explain his ease in obtaining an Indian visa. Lucky fellow, our Mr. Atwal. Time has passed, and memories have faded. Perhaps the men currently sitting in cages in Guantanamo Bay have some hope after all. But perhaps, just out of an abundance of caution, it would be better to keep them off airplanes.
  3. What these journalist don't understand. Unlike professional CSIS, RAW is not - Non partisan organization, RAW is underworld outlaw banana republic criminals/mobs/ spy organization which controls media narrative, uses all political parties, all political parties in india uses them.
  4. Some really good questions from this: In his testimony, Jean confirmed publicly for the first time that it was he who provided a background briefing on the matter to journalists, including those at Global News, and told MPs he had made the decision to speak with reporters after seeing what he described as “misinformation” published by CBC News and the Vancouver Sun. 1. Who was terry melswki CBC source and vancouver sun source? Let me guess- self loathing Ujjal Dosanjh and GOI cronies!!! What a gong show.
  5. Daniel Jean set the record straight today at the hearing -quite interesting and very telling- Rampant ‘misinformation’ on Jaspal Atwal affair sparked decision to brief reporters: Daniel Jean https://globalnews.ca/news/4147124/daniel-jean-jaspal-atwal-affair/
  6. source: https://www.searchgurbani.com/dasam-granth/shabad/8032/line/21 From Sri Dasam Guru Granth: ਜਿਮੀ ਜਮਾਨ ਕੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਸਮਸਤ ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਹੈ ॥ Jimee Jamaan Ke Bikhi Samasata Eeka Joti Hai ॥ Within all the earth and sky, there is only one Light. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੬/੧ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਘਾਟ ਹੈ ਨ ਬਾਢ ਹੈ ਨ ਘਾਟ ਬਾਢ ਹੋਤ ਹੈ ॥ Na Ghaatta Hai Na Baadha Hai Na Ghaatta Baadha Hota Hai ॥ Which neither decreases nor increases in any being, It never decreases or increases. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੬/੨ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਹਾਨ ਹੈ ਨ ਬਾਨ ਹੈ ਸਮਾਨ ਰੂਪ ਜਾਨੀਐ ॥ Na Haan Hai Na Baan Hai Samaan Roop Jaaneeaai ॥ It is without decadence and without habit, it is known to have the same form. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੬/੩ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਮਕੀਨ ਅਉ ਮਕਾਨਿ ਅਪ੍ਰਮਾਨ ਤੇਜ ਮਾਨੀਐ ॥੬॥੧੬੬॥ Makeena Aau Makaani Aparmaan Teja Maaneeaai ॥6॥166॥ In all houses and places its unlimited brilliance is acknowledged. 6.166. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੬/(੪) - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਦੇਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਗੇਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਜਾਤਿ ਹੈ ਨ ਪਾਤਿ ਹੈ ॥ Na Deha Hai Na Geha Hai Na Jaati Hai Na Paati Hai ॥ He hath no body, no home, no caste and no lineage. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੭/੧ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਮੰਤ੍ਰਿ ਹੈ ਨ ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਤਾਤ ਹੈ ਨ ਮਾਤ ਹੈ ॥ Na Maantri Hai Na Mitar Hai Na Taata Hai Na Maata Hai ॥ He hath no minister, no friend, no father and no mother. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੭/੨ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਅੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਸੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਾਥ ਹੈ ॥ Na Aanga Hai Na Raanga Hai Na Saanga Hai Na Saatha Hai ॥ He hath no limb, no colour, and hath no affection for a companion. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੭/੩ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਦੋਖ ਹੈ ਨ ਦਾਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਦ੍ਵੈਖ ਹੈ ਨ ਦੇਹ ਹੈ ॥੭॥੧੬੭॥ Na Dokh Hai Na Daaga Hai Na Davaikh Hai Na Deha Hai ॥7॥167॥ He hath no blemish, no stain, no malice and no body.7.167. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੭/(੪) - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਹੈ ਨ ਸ੍ਯਾਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਰਾਉ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੰਕ ਹੈ ॥ Na Siaangha Hai Na Saiaara Hai Na Raau Hai Na Raanka Hai ॥ He is neither a lion, nor a jackal, nor a king nor a poor. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੮/੧ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਮਾਨ ਹੈ ਨ ਮੌਤ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਾਕ ਹੈ ਨ ਸੰਕ ਹੈ ॥ Na Maan Hai Na Mouta Hai Na Saaka Hai Na Saanka Hai ॥ He egoless, deathless, kinless and doubtless. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੮/੨ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਜਛ ਹੈ ਨ ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਹੈ ਨ ਨਰੁ ਹੈ ਨ ਨਾਰਿ ਹੈ ॥ Na Jachha Hai Na Gaandharba Hai Na Naru Hai Na Naari Hai ॥ He is neither a Yaksha, nor a Gandharva, nor a man nor a woman. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੮/੩ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਚੋਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਾਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਾਹ ਕੋ ਕੁਮਾਰ ਹੈ ॥੮॥੧੬੮॥ Na Chora Hai Na Saaha Hai Na Saaha Ko Kumaara Hai ॥8॥168॥ He is neither a thief, nor a moneylender nor a prince.8.168. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੮/(੪) - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਨੇਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਗੇਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਦੇਹ ਕੋ ਬਨਾਉ ਹੈ ॥ Na Neha Hai Na Geha Hai Na Deha Ko Banaau Hai ॥ He is without attachment, without home and without the formation of the body. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੯/੧ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਛਲ ਹੈ ਨ ਛਿਦ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਛਲ ਕੋ ਮਿਲਾਉ ਹੈ ॥ Na Chhala Hai Na Chhidar Hai Na Chhala Ko Milaau Hai ॥ He is without deceit, without blemish and without the blend of deceit. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੯/੨ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਤੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਸਰੂਪ ਹੈ ॥ Na Taantar Hai Na Maantar Hai Na Jaantar Ko Saroop Hai ॥ He is neither Tantra , nor a mantra nor the form of Yantra. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧੬੯/੩ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨ ਰਾਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੇਖ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੂਪ ਹੈ ॥੯॥੧੬੯॥ Na Raaga Hai Na Raanga Hai Na Rekh Hai Na Roop Hai ॥9॥169॥ He is without affection, without colour, without form and without lineage. 9.169.
  7. Based on my understanding 1. Mind becomes jot saroop(IkOngkar-One non dual pure aware being) as Guru maharaj says- Man tu jot saroop hai apna mool painchain, absolute truth is perceived and expressed clearly via pure cognition driven by divine will than ego personal will. 2. Jot saroop is awaken universal unified pure awareness/consciousness - there is no individuality there nor there is separate mind, mind becomes unman(reference in gurbani) or mind becomes sanatan (ancient) see reference in gurbani. 3. Jot saroop can perceive and travel to various states of existence but not confined by them. 4. After merging, i am assuming you are talking about bhramgyan, after bhramgyan you realize the backdrop substratum truth (which is primal truth present all along - aad such jugad sach hai bhi sach nanak hosi bhi sach) you are that there is no separate somebody, other, there is only all pervading Vahiguru -one(Ekangkar/IkONGKAR) one without second. Eko Eek Ek Har Aap Poran Poor Rahio Prabh Baiap ||
  8. Totally agreed, if one hasn't seen the movie how can they judge it before even seeing it. I mean there are already calls to behead the director by crazy hot right winger sikhs in india on facebook. Absolutely grotesque. It goes out to show how emotional indian /feeble/insecure/paranoid/hot headed communal communities are. This is same underlining fear and emotions - bigger players tap into and watch sikhs ripping each other apart or big players create situation such as violent riots to kill more sikhs in name of subduing violent protest. History is witness, most damage is done to sikhs by sikhs inadvertently/unconsciously themselves as they say only iron can cut another iron. Lets just say even hypothetically even if director of this movie is bjp rss influenced, ignoring or making similar right movie in future to counter this movie with another similar movie with all historical/esoteric events and messages would be only solution. Heck, its open field, none one is stopping anyone to remake Nanak Shah Fakir-real, remake or important chapter- part 2 those who are upset. Just ignore the movie collectively if you feel so offended, it will fall into abyss. Ego thrives on resistance, controversy sells. I plan to watch torrent copy of it when it comes out as i don't want to support the director financially yet only after watching it and if i see it and deem good i will buy dvd or watch in theater.
  9. Couple of points- - SGPC approved this movie before, did through analysis provided recommendation which were followed thoroughly has a approval from sgpc both old committee and new committee at current, signed by all scholars in SGPC - If some people find it offended, don't watch it or ignore it but if you think by banning or doing protest, blocking hwy and other tactics is way to go, its counter-intuitive this will increase curiosity in people, its actually more advertisement of the movie, remember - controversy sells!! Just like if you strictly enforced everything is forbidden, make things trivial or controversial for kids outlaws on kids, kids will revolt eventually in their life, will explore whatever is banned for sake of curiosity, rebel back whether watchin tv, fashion, cell phones. Look at the lives and scandals of amish life style, orthodox jews, church pastors -Provide detailed analysis with strong rebuttal , why one shouldn't watch this movie and leave it up to the readers - I do have a point i want to make. I watched movie- badla made on sant jarnail singh bhindranwale, there is a scene of sant jarnail singh bhindranwale coming on to maharaj darbar, they showed huge parkash aura on sant ji in maharaj darbar where aura parkash on sri guru granth sahib was virtually missing in contrast with sant ji parkash in same scene. Same people who endorsed badla movie have a problem with nanak shah fakir as well. This is good video from director of Nanak shah fakir, lots of great points, decide it for yourself:
  10. Joining Canadian Reserves

    Joining army or police force is very good career path for sikhs both according to our past history and our martial tradition and many practical reasons and benefits which is compatible with sikh way of life. We should all encourage it. Many Sikh mahapursh in the past to name few prominent ones in the past- sant karam singh hoti mardan, sant aya singh hoti mardan, sant attar singh reru sahib, sant jvala singh ji etc also have joined army for couple of very good practical and spiritual reasons- a) serve the country they live in - noble and pious b) military requires great discipline which is compatible with sikh discipline for being timely, getting up early, be fully active and martial c) miltary and or on being on police force-various task/mission takes one to edge / lives on the edge where one mind stops enforces one to be in the present moment only - one only functions through fearless/ great inner wisdom- bibek and inner highly intuitive awareness - gur-chaitan which is also very compatible with meditations/abhyaas within sikhi d) many military traditions allows diversity when it comes to individual war cry traditions such as moari war cry for example and ours being war roars from gurbani- sri guru granth sahib ji, sri dasam guru granth sahib and Gurbani abhyaas from it while training or completing a mission or task.
  11. There might be few slight variations in puratan saroop of sri guru granth sahib/aad guru granth sahib usually at the very end but the main point remains essence message is not lost, here is one out of many example- for example- IkOngkar Satgurparsad: IkOngkar-One non dual being Satgurpursad-which is eternal awareness bliss realized by satgurparsad - grace of true guru (inner guru-wisdom-awareness and outer-ishat guru- sri guru granth sahib) IS mentioned 523 times in sri guru granth sahib, I think this can be considered common theme/essence message from sri guru granth sahib ji so everyone can agree on, and deeply contemplate on it go through stages- of deep listening-sarvan of gurbani essence truth, following /acknowledging (manan), applying-deeply abiding( nidhashan) in gurbani essence.
  12. NDP leader Jagmeet Singh- political assessment Here is mine, please share yours 1. Political trap was set by influenced by ujjal dosanjh, tarak fatah -(his daughter -works for cbc close with terry) terry meliswky to cbc terry meliwski to get questioning on Oct for jagmeet singh, very first interview- 126 k views- He failed miserably on his first day. It was fair line of questioning tbh despite of the backdrop influence as he is "NDP LEADER" and his past sikh activisim- canadians ought to know. He took the bait screwed up- it wasn't catch 22 suitation either. He should have said based on the inquiry and canadian judicial system - i condemn posters, and presented facts hardly any gurdwara has his poster along with that in the same breath he could have mentioned 1984 sikh genocide with saying- Hey terry since you asking me about this based on my past activism, i planned to have motion in future for 1984 sikh genocide, that would have burned their tragedy and blew up with plan on their face. Turned tricky interview into rightful condemnation and pro sikh stance- 1984 sikh genocide. Instead this is bad optics all around. To be fair -terry in this interview whilst having bit of condescending tone was fair asking him those questions at the end due to past singhs activism history, if that question was addressed to bains, harjit sajjan. I would have said it would have been racist but knowning singh activism in the past it was fair line of questioning which jagmeet singh himself admits last week-fair questions 2. Recent statements and video interview by jagmeet singh were spot on. I just really wished he would have done that sooner in the first interview and not fallen to the trap. 3. He has to be impartial as he representing all canadians not just sikhs. i am hoping he comes with more serious condemnation comes up with pr un harmful statement like- Fanaticism is global problem, no religion or groups are immune to it. I condemn all of them. If he doesn't media will go on witch haunt against him goin on and on. Conservative media will play with swing voters (liberal and ndp) underlining fears. If his plan is to grab swing voters from liberal back into ndp he has to do better job. I would advise him to get more swing votes from conservatives than liberals 4. He is yet to come up with actual framework platform of ndp for next election, so he should concentrate on that rather than too much on 1984 sikh genocide at this time, correct timing would be later this year when genocide occured in india where liberals will be compelled also to vote that motion as it may swing voters at this time liberals communication -gerald butts want nothing to do with more sikh controversy due to absolute pr/bad optics failed trip in india. Prior to that he should introduce another motion in june to honor victims of AIR INDIA BOMBING -worst canadian terrorist incident in canadian history- where 325 innocent lives were killed including 92 sikhs on that plane and condemn parmar more and more and more. 5. He needs to keep draw parallelism of sikh genocide with first nation genocide. People will understand more. 6. He needs to captalize idea of sikh seperatism with quebec seperatism, he will gain votes in quebec which he has already done. 7. Stop hanging around too much with jus reign, gangster videos. 8. Absolutely capitalize on sikh parade idea in khalsa parade, nagar kirtan should give him limitless time for path of peace and reconciliation message (with back drop malcom x-sant bhindranwale-che guevera picture) he genuinely beleives in peace between hindu and sikhs-bring hindu ndp supporters with him thats the only he can neutralize the bad pr disaster he is recovering. THIS IS GOLDEN CHANCE FOR JAGMEET SINGH TO COUNTER MOVE AGAINST GOI PLAN TO DIVIDE POLARIZE HINDU VOTES and minority INTO CONSERVATIVES. 9. His focus should be gaining hindu votes, jewish votes, not just dividing sikh votes from liberal. He needs to show his representing all canadians and minorities. He should totally endorse tamils, jewish, as they have been through same genocide as us. Endorse conservatives motion of israel as state. 10. He could never a PM in this country after massive misteps in political world-optics/perception is everything there is no recovery from this, faster he realize this harsh truth -better it is for him. In the back of his head-he should aim for offical ndp opposition in house of commons and not to sway votes from liberals but conservatives. At the end, sikhs have choice 10 sikh mps and -5 high sikh positions ministers - including harjit sajjan sikh defense minister of canada with trudeau with balleh balleh picture below or him. Be realistic - just get him in house of commons as opposition in by election dont vote for him at the election day at the expense of liberals loosing big time and conservatives winning majority.
  13. He reversed the decision of demoting his mp early this week, now he is bit in calm waters with his caucus and has their support along with senior members. Here are some detailed good assessment/advise in article by one of very senior global journalist - john ibbiston-article endorsed by andrew cohe-who is also very senior journalist in journalist world. FYI they are both conservatives they may have underlining vested interest to get jagmeet singh up to speed to split ndp/liberal votes. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-jagmeet-singh-may-have-stumbled-but-dont-count-him-out-just-yet/?cmpid=rss&click=sf_globe
  14. I mean by no means language on this thread is no where near vile as this one below but it seems to be we humans are all affected by same underlining fears, insecurity, hatred and jealously- Us VS them mentality, who are the victims in both cases- women who have decided to marry person they love. One is journalist below from hindu back ground supporting pro sikh cause narrative one of few besides sunny hundal in media while media is ripping us apart second above politician-preet kaur gill again helping us again raising sikh human right issue /jaggi case in uk parliament. And not long ago, we went on over drive jagmeet singh and his choice of marriage have various amount of threads talking about their personal lives. Lets talk about their good work , commend them for it than being that insecure douche bag below:
  15. Bhai Gurbaksh Singh RIP

    Whats the issue, off course circumstances surrounding bhai gurbakash singh suicide turned shaheedi is unfortunate. It should have been avoided, panth failed bhai gurbakash singh collectively having him to go such brink. In fact, based on avtar singh posted on facebook- he was absolutely bullied, haunted, mocked by so called sikhs there months over months to have him go such a brink. He is definitely an shaheed despite of his mental anguish and horrible things he went through mentally. Just to clarify re shahedi label- First of all, in my post i wasn't encouraging anyone taking their own lives or committing suicide -be shaheed Off course i consider someones giving up their live-leading arm resistance/defending the dharam/protecting innocent as shaheed as well, including consider singhs as shahids in the past who have taken cyanide and committed suicide aovid being captured or tortured by GOI , along with the case above. I have held the same position in the past, remember the discussion of buddhist monk being shahid sitting in meditation while being self immolated.?. I consider that is shahedi as well. Anyway, going back to that post was my way of showing respect to bhai gurbaksh singh ji by calling him shaheed.
  16. Hopefully average joe cdn voter get it now, below screenshot from power and politics, read between the lines slowly and let them sink below for a moment. Unbelievable gong show from opposition dragging it.
  17. Sigh, conservatives are not letting this one go, they on hell bent making it worst for liberals, public safety minister gave enough hints* for these <banned word filter activated> idiots to get it through in question period but they are not getting it, they would rather use raw-foreign alien influence to bring down their canadian gov't: How dense can you be or dirty politics one can use, may be CSIS need to independently step up in non paristan way and set the record straight.
  18. NEW: NDP MP @RomeoSaganash just said he agrees with @CharlieAngusNDP - says treatment of David Christopherson by @theJagmeetSingh is “regrettable” & “unfortunate”; also calls for him to be reinstated on committee #cdnpoli NDP Caucus meeting tom
  19. After number of misteps-back peddling, one would think the-rookie jagmeet singh be careful, he just demoted a very senior ndp mp last week while chilling out at juno awards with his wife, at this point his caucus seems divided, he better bring unity to his caucus soon otherwise he is gone from party. FYI Federal party just need 57% disapproval/approval (i m not sure which one comes first) votes then next ndp convention is held for next leader. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ndp-mp-criticizes-leader-singhs-punishment-of-fellow-new-democrat/?click=sf_globefb Things doesn't look good for him, i'be surprised if he last until summer let alone next federal election. Dumping him it will be bad news for ndp and even more bad news for conservatives as they no longer can splits votes in gta and have majority in next election Anyway whatever outcome be, he be good example/case study for future political aspirant sikhs what not to do, what is good and bad optics, how to prevent from self inflicted wounds. I am sorry can't blame racism for this one, media also gave him fair chance as listed in orginal post, also ndp is super far left, he is given fair chance like any Canadian would have in true canadian democracy and he is about to blow this one way.! Lets cross fingers.
  20. Also one shouldn't undermine peaceful activism and means, just like to remind it was same peaceful means that sikh for justice in USA which revoked modi visa black listed him to coming to states before he became PM. This leaves huge question mark or black mark on modi history and in the books of historians, journalist- its a direct reference or citation provided in the journalist world which is widely available for use in journalism to push a narrative. Same peaceful activism used by cdn, uk and US sikhs which got raw so worried and they tried their master plan of isiolate sikhs from cdn politics in recent atwal fiasco.
  21. All though it be nice to have 250 raw agents names in sikhi saroop for further case study. we should not focus too much into it as then we get into more exposing low rank raw agents get into paranoia state where we start calling each other agents and keep fighting within ourself than seeing their big game, even if those 250 raw agents names are revealed it will still play into raw hands as they would sit and watch - apne accusing each other, hurling threats, fighting among each other. Just keep it high level, dont fragment too much and keep it mindful what plays into raw hands or not- - Being paranoia, insecure about surrounding instead of just being normal - listening to gurbani, being at peace - Ignore hot headed speeches by current sikhs, avoid calling them names or fighting just know what plays into raw hands - Ignore too much rhetoric of khalistan mix it up with wider sovereignty, peaceful activism- remove violent connations/narrative made in the past for khalistan or sikh soveigeinty - Focus on human rights, jaswant singh khalra works - Focus on integration into wider soceity, be political activist. - Dont focus on internal sikh politics-divisive issues and get carried away - Focus more on gurbani, sikhi parchar.
  22. Yet more meddling by GOI in cdn sikhs affairs, rightly criticizes by Canadian foreign ministry https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-chrystia-freeland-criticizes-indian-diplomats-for-interfering-in/?cmpid=rss&click=sf_globe
  23. I agree veer, i mentioned chankaya in the other thread also, i won't add too much that was already added earlier but i will just mention- we really need to put aside differences - missionaries or not in real life they should be treated as sikhs rather than sikhs caught up in idealogical differences, in real life- missionaries or atheist who look like sikhs they are professionals, doctors, engineers, scientist, police, gov't services, writer, journalist have same sort of political activism of exposing human right abuses in india just like any other normal sikhs does. We should be united on that front. After jaggi illegal apprehension, many monae too are becoming receptive towards human rights abuses in GOI, they all should be supported. One of the classic example- sunny hundal who was in cross roads with orthodox sikhs in uk in the past recently was one of only few apne journalist who came to rescue working day and night holding cdn media to account and tried to change bias cdn media narrative. One of various articles he wrote recently, he called out ignorant reporter from national post. http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/a-british-journalist-called-out-a-national-post-reporter-on-twitter-over-her-coverage-of-jagmeet-singh-so-they-decided-to-talk-it-out
  24. Also by showing media- sikhs with same wso sikh sovereignty narrative are in all political parties in canada, rss/raw via conservatives cannot sabotage or attack us. Conservatives won't let them...lol. It create a havoc in their own caucus or campaign goals.