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These bibian (1st half of the video) have more common sense than corrupt Amritdharis running businesses from Gurdwara premises

There is no issue. many monay and Hindu veers read Guru Sahib daily, just ensure you have satkaar in place for the senchis or Guru Sahib.

What to say of Mr Ladi, watch just 1 min of this:

He has made a rod for his own back by saying he did not know who Ashutos was, it's irrelevant. Why matha tek to a dehdhari in the first place, surely he learnt that much mat in 60+ years of singing Gurbani. Lost for words, really sad.

You make it sound like it is easy to memorise Gurbani. A person without faith will find this task tough (aakhan aukha sacha nao), especially if like I said on a previous post the bare minimum should be to ensure they both memorise Japji Sahib and in a perfect world full Nitnem. The latter would of course be leaning towards both being Amritdhari which I am also pro.

Jagraj Singh mentioned that those being married should have to undergo a test of some description. What better test than to ask the couple to recite Japji Sahib (Kant) and then the marriage be accepted. Ideally it would be the whole Nitnem but that would be stretching it in this PC skewed era, well and Jaap Sahib is found to be harder to memorise.

Inexcusable. Using the out of this world bairaagmai Shabad Hazare to describe him?????? What is the world coming to! Guru Sahib Sumat bakhsan to Balbir Singh. After all of these years of Kirtan Seva as well!

Guru Kirpa Amritsar will remain open as well.

Vaheguru has form and does not either, a mystery we cannot understand but clear in Jaap Sahib. Guru Sahib no doubt communicated with Guru Nanak Sahib when they reached Sachkhand and drank Amrit Shabad Bani from the piala (cup) presented to them by Parmatama. Vaheguru actually had a conversation with Bhagat Naam Dev Jee. ਪਿੰਧੀ ਉਭਕਲੇ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ ॥ ਭ੍ਰਮਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਿ ਆਏ ਤੁਮ ਚੇ ਦੁਆਰਾ ॥ ਤੂ ਕੁਨੁ ਰੇ ॥ ਮੈ ਜੀ ॥ ਨਾਮਾ ॥ ਹੋ ਜੀ ॥ ਆਲਾ ਤੇ ਨਿਵਾਰਣਾ ਜਮ ਕਾਰਣਾ ॥੩॥੪॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 693}

"Our guns are pointed at those Police touts who torture Singhs and kill them in fake encounters. We do not believe in spilling the blood of any innocents. Our fight is against injustice, tyranny and oppression. Whoever is part of this will not be able to escape our sights". Shaheed Jathedar Avtar Singh Brahma Khalistan Liberation Force Digging Deep into Sikh History with her brush- Akvinder Kaur Powerful and Beautiful art by RGx Singh! Quote with this one 'The most valuable asset is not a head full of knowledge. But a heart full of love, with an ear ready to listen and a hand willing to help.'

2 and 3 are key. Believing in Guru Sahib means having faith in all Gurbani and this of course means Guru Gobind Singh Jee. The concept of Amrit grates on folk who spew nonsense that it's just inner love that counts for God. A kathakaar once said, 'should a tree have weak roots, it is bare on the outside'. If one has true belief in their master or king, there is nothing they would not do for them and they would at least attempt to follow all hukams prescribed and this to me describes a Sikh.

The military commander Massa Ranghar of Mandiali village was put in charge of the Darbar Sahib. He was the most active of the Chaudries engaged in capturing and destroying Sikhs. The Harmandir Sahib was turned into a place for debauchery with nauch (dance) girls being housed their for Massa Ranghar entertainment. The use of Naquills (water pipes) was by then a daily practice for Moslems, so the odor and smoke of tobacco, a substance which Guru Gobind Singh had forbidden his Sikhs to use, now filled the halls of the Sikhs' most Holy site, the very rooms where the beloved first Holy book and the SGGS had enjoyed Prakash for years. Alcohol in wine and other forms, forbidden even by the Moslem's own Holy book the Qur'an, now flowed freely as Massa Rangar and his friends enjoyed the dancing and other activities that the nautch girls were famed for. For the Sikhs whose Bani and Holy writings forbid the use of alcohol totally this was one but one more final insult. The news that their sacred Gurdwara was now being used as a Seraglio, with wine and tobacco staining its walls and floors soon fell on the ears of a group of Sikhs living in Jaipur in Rajputana. Bhai Mehtab Singh a GurSikh of Mirankot, a village near Amritsar, was one of the first to hear this alarming news. Astonished and angered by the news he questioned the man who had just relayed the story: "You have heard of this outrage to the sacred place, and yet you still live and go about telling this news to others! Why did you not kill Massa then and there? Is there no Sikh left in Amritsar to avenge this evil?" "No", replied the messenger. "There are no Sikhs there with a greater sense of honor than those who have run away to places like Jaipur in order to save their lives." The messenger's taunt stung Bhai Mehtab Singh, a brave, strong minded and stout bodied young man, like the sting of some deadly dessert scorpion. He bolted up at once, took his sword and said: "I shall go and cut off Massa's head with this sword, and bring it here!" He saddled his horse and got ready to gallop away. A bystander who had heard the news as well Bhai Sukha Singh of the village Mardi Kambo ki offered to go along with him. Mounting their horses, they took off towards Amritsar. When they reached the sacred city, in August 1740 they noted the Mughal outposts, so they took some time to disguise themselves as Muhammadans. They filled two bags with well rounded pieces of broken earthen pots. Each of them placed one of the bags before him on the horse. They looked like harmless Muhammadan Lambardars who had come to pay their land revenue. They entered the precincts of the Gurudwara. To the guards they said, "We have to come pay land revenue to our Chaudri." Their ruse worked and they were allowed to go into the compound of the Holy Temple. Tying their horses to a ber tree outside the main gate, the ber tree to the which horses were tied still exists, and carrying their sacks of payment they entered the room where they saw Massa Ranghar. He was seated on a cot, smoking a hukka, they could tell that he was intoxicated with wine. With half closed eyes he was listening to the music of the dancing girls. The sight made their blood boil. Bhai Sukha Singh stood watch near the door. Bhai Mehtab Singh went in and fell on the tyrant like lightning. With one stroke of his sword he cut off Massa's head. Massa's companions were taken by surprise. They ran about in terror. Before they could recover from their surprise and shock, Bhai Sukha Singh and Mehtab Singh had made good their escape and galloped away. The very sword used to decapitate him is in the Ajaib Ghar at Darbar Sahib, I stood there watching it in amazement!!

A person desecrating the Sarovar on purpose deserves more than just a thrashing. Brilliant find.

The lesson applies to Sikhs and non-Sikhs alike.

You're doing the right thing, practice makes perfect and before you know it you'll be up to speed with those making fun if not surpass their level. A visit to Punjab once every other year if possible is also helpful. Relatives there find even my wife's Punjabi (she's from Punjab) watered down and since we've come back my son speaks more than me!

Life Lesson - never judge a book by it's cover, even if he/she has the biggest dumalla, more kare than you can shake a stick at and the best looking chola. Some simple looking Gursikhs are the most spiritually advanced. btw I'm not dissing bana.

No one can harm Guru Sahib full stop. It is the sentiments of Sikhs that get hurt and if someone disrespects our parents we either put up with it or take action. This no doubt depends on the harshness of said words. Actions are louder than words and deserve a more suitable response.

Surprised enough to eat my own shoe. That was speculation on my part, it could just as well be some hoodlum or a robbery gone wrong. Wisconin in comparison to state sponsored terrorism is small fry.

Unbelievable. Should it transpire the GOI have a hand in this crime, the Feds wont do much as the US and UK are more concerned about trade deals with India.

We flew via Jet you can take 23Kg x 2 each into the hold and 7Kg on board. Think Air India has the same allowance. Be careful with Jet though if flying to Amritsar from Heathrow, as the luggage has to be checked in at Delhi again (yes taken off the belt) before going to domestic transfers.

Brahmgiani Ki Gat Brahmgiani Jane GNNSJ stay out of politics. Giani Amolak Singh after the '84 attack was a staunch critic of GOI and attended some of the marches in London. From what I know they do not mention Khalistan or entertain discussing the movement.

60 Kg? wow, my wife tries to fit that much into one suit case! On our recent trip to Punjab she took 6 suit cases, cabin trolley, and handbag. I had a rucksack...LOL. As is the case with most Punjabi's she brought more back, luckily the staff in Amritsar were kind and did not charge us :respect: do you have relatives that can take that much weight, there's always someone going be free :lol2:. or try https://www.parcelmonkey.co.uk/international/india. For about the same price get a ticket yourself and take 2/3 of the weight.

Ideally you want to keep them upstairs on in an area where you are not walking above them on as you say the main floor.

Nothing more to say for me, brick wall/head.

I think you should take time to talk to non Sikhs who have married at the Guru Ghar and see how much piaar they have for Sikhi. I have come across many and not a single one has become Sikh. Yes some of them come to the Gurdwara on main Gurpurabs to eat langar but that's as far as it goes, they remain detached from Sikhi. If one of them is religious the kids adopt that faith, usually of the mother. Please ponder on this pangti regarding bowing/seeing Guru Ji: Satgur noo sabh ko vekhdaa, jeta jagat sansaar Dithe mukhat na hovee, jichar shabad na kare vichaar Do we know where the word Sehajdhari came from, where was it first used, please advise? The AK is hardly the best place to educate people on Sikhi. This should happen beforehand.