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  1. Its not an over exaggeration to say Santa Sio was a GOI sold out. Taking money from Indira to rebuild Akal Takht was treachery with Khalsa Panth. Tainted his name forever. Panth went through immense tribulations during and after 84, role of Budha Dal as "fouj" of the panth was very much dormant.
  2. Is taksaal in pieces

    1.None of the denominations you have mentioned have similar maryada or nitnem to start with. Let alone for us to even consider their lineage traces back to Guru Gobind Singh's time. 2. When people claim their lineage goes back to GUru Gobind Singh sahib himself starting them like how Taksal or Budha Dal does. To such extent that both claim "we" were trace back to Baba Deep Singh jee. Then conclusive historical evidence matters, because both lay claim authority & legitimacy in their narratives, maryada, interpretation of Gurmat in many key area. Evidence matters because in nihangs, what mainstream Sikh see as Kurehit(e.g. meat, intoxicants(marijuana)) have been normalized. Even interpretation of Gurbani is twisted to suit their narrative & bias. Problem definition/Conclusion: These lineage claims are merely oral claims without any substantive conclusive evidence.
  3. Is taksaal in pieces

    Is there any conclusive evidence of this claim?
  4. Sikhs and celebration?

    If you read Gurbani carefully, gurmat wants us to rise above dukh sukh of in all phases life. (practically only intense naam abhiyaas is what can make us numb to the ups and downs of life). If you have done sangat of soojvaan gursikhs. You will realize the shabads sung in keertan to SatGuroo are usually always related to the occasion. In sadness, praising vahiguroo and accepting his bhana and in happiness thanking him etc.
  5. Four Of The 5 Pyaaray Were Not Punjabi

    Gurbani by atleast 3 of the Bhagats in bold and underlined above exist within Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, from the time of Guru Arjan Dev when the 1st beerh was scribed. Meaning, these bhagat were already in sachkhand. Prove that Bhagats who were already in sachkhand by Dasmesh Jee's time, had to be reborn!
  6. Hatred towards Taksal/Budha Dal

    i dont even know what you are talking about. The fact you too spew hate. Just proves what I said in earlier as a valid and proved hypothesis within this thread.
  7. Hatred towards Taksal/Budha Dal

    Regarding your accusation on me as a 'missionary'. I am actually pro- Dasam Bani & consider missionaries as nindaks of Satguroo. Missionaries being nindaks of Naam & Gurbani have been cursed in various places in gurbani. Why hate people who whom SatGuroo himself has cursed due to their deeds? If anything, you just demonstrated how hate fueled viciously slanderous modern day taksalis are. Nor do you see any shame of accusing other Sikhs of heresy without evidence. When you release hate out to the world, you are unlikely receive any love from others either. Then Taksalis like you wonder in threads like this. "Why people dont like us?" Seriously
  8. Hatred towards Taksal/Budha Dal

    Having seen it with my own eyes over the years. Taksalis in general, if not all are always occupied with maryada controversies. Then there is hate for other who do mool mantar till Gurparsad/'shorter rehraas' or those who follow a different maryada than theirs. What I find most disturbing is the "hate" modern day taksalis harbor in their heart for other Sikhs who maybe different from them in 1 way another. AND think there is nothing wrong with it. Just look at the way AJNALA(video) is spewing foul language on others in this thread. What is the point of fighting the whole panth about mool mantar? when even "NIRVAIR" from mool mantar doesnt even sink into your heart ? Being a Taksalan yourself. Just look at the language you used in the last sentence. You have the "US vs. them/the others mentality" . Just pause for a second. and >REFLECT< --------------------------- I wasnt born into a Gursikh family. When I learnt about sikhi, i was mostly around taksalis. Nothing fascinated me about Sikhi. If I look at the taksalis i have got to know in my life. Nothing in them, inspires me to be a better Sikh. Its when I left Taksali circles , its when I realized what Gurmat Naam was through dya of Satguroo. Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj became my reason to want to be a Sikh, not any group.
  9. 1.The question center of the discussion of this thread was the authenticity of the bir here in question.It was alleged to be from Guru Sahib's time. Presence of Kachi Bani proves it cannot be based on the content of the saroop itself. 2. You seem to make excuses that "its ok" to have kachi bani in saroop of SGGS or dropped into the middle of Gurbani since you view it as you call it "exegetical ". My honest opinion on this opinion, you need to re-examined your faith when it comes to Gurbani itself. If you have any confusion, then 24th pauree of Anand Sahib makes it clear: ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ ਬਾਣੀ ਤ ਕਚੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ ਕਹਦੇ ਕਚੇ ਸੁਣਦੇ ਕਚੇ ਕਚੀ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੀ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ॥ ਚਿਤੁ ਜਿਨ ਕਾ ਹਿਰਿ ਲਇਆ ਮਾਇਆ ਬੋਲਨਿ ਪਏ ਰਵਾਣੀ ॥ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥੨੪॥ in the 3rd line, Guru Sahib tell us those who recite or listen kachi bani are ਕਚੇ . What to talk about those who advocate the acceptance of exegetical into Gurbani/SGGS itself? 4. Your whole post is devoid of any factual evidence in light of gurmat or crystallized evidence. Ones sikhi shouldnt be based on ones blind allegiance to ones group/leanings. Other than that, there isnt much credible substance to much of what you have said nor anything conclusive. Mostly periphery talk, am sorry to say. 5. If you are of opinion that there are no puratan saroops without Raagmala exist, I suggest you pick up the book called Mundhavani by Gyani Gurdit Singh and see the pictorial evidences he has documented.
  10. Veer jeo, I had a chance to read through the page you posted. Below is my observation: While this saroop is puratan, without a doubt.The question is, is it from Satguru's time? Sorry to burst your bubble on this. As marked above before Raagmala comes Kachi Bani Ratanmala(marked in black) & Hakikat Rah Mukaam Raje Shiv Nabh Ki(marked in red). If as per your claim this saroop was prepared by or during SatGuru Gobind Singh Jee's time. Why would Satguroo include kachi bani? Conclusion: Claims attached to this saroop are not authentic
  11. when i read such thread and read the type of mentality people have here along with the deravaad competition ongoing 1 thing is for sure, this generation has lost the plot.
  12. How Have Some Girls Bin Tricked By Muslims

    punjabis, they dislike gurmat & dont want to raise daughters to have gurmat asools , to have a firm character and honor, and avoid senseless free mixing with men that lead to flirtations when Pakistani boys pick their characterless daughters, they blame everything and everyone but themselves #Stupid
  13. Which Is A Better Job For A Spiritual Lifestyle?

    1.I didnt get your point in being snobish, phen jeo. Where I was coming from was give practical advice based on Gurbani & life experience. Gurbani is evidence. Its SatGuroo's voice to a Sikh. 2. I have seen good singhs who have careers and love Guru Sahib much. That they do not eat any food daily wihout doing darshan of SatGuroo Jee daily. I have seen these very same singhs, being tired and falling asleep during their 2 hour naam abhiyaas at amrit wela. Meaning surtee slacking from Naam. Can they be blamed? because their work lifestyle is taking a toll on them? Perhaps you have more keerpa. Do ardass for the likes of us then. Cause we are in need of it. For Naam to keep churning 24/7 one needs a proper amritwela(not affected by tiredness). Saying that "one can train their mind", is houmei.
  14. Which Is A Better Job For A Spiritual Lifestyle?

    while your ideas sound very logical. I saw none of it supported by Gurbani. Do you work? Current modern day working lifestyle is genuinely incompatible with those who want to engage Naam Abhiyaas. I speak from experience. The norm of being over worked and underpaid in modern day capatalist enviroment is something you have yet to endure. Lets not even talk about the bad sangat vibe. 24/7 naam abhiyaas doesnt come easy to all either.