True akj_4eva., you had summarised the thread very well, there is an english say "do not talk ill of the dead", this is probably in relation to karma, what we want to be remembered as, sure the case has brought up some very dubious gala, which no one is comfortable with, again I am one of those who agrees that we do not need to make a song and dance about the past, who are we too judge, it is evident that gagandip had many faults, who doesn't ?, kaam get's the better of best of the best, who are we ? yes a rapist deserve's punishment, in a court of law, not when they have been murdered and accusations made after ? yes we will all pay for our actions, let us together do ardas that maharaj forgives him of any faults/sins and blesses him however guru sahib should decide.... we are just beggars at guru jis dhar...