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these guys running these gurdwaras need to be told to stop calling it jatt gurdwara or whatever or just smash their heads in

you havn't understood one thing i said i asked a bunch of questions on how you guys plan on getting khalistan with problems like drug abuse amongst sikhs in india with mroe and more sikh boys dropping out of school with gender inequality and a whole host of other problems but the biggest once are these then i was told that all these problems exsist cause of the indian govt which made me laugh, i believe its our fault that these problems exsist thats why we as a community need to take accountability for it, but once again i was told the indian govt and the hindus of india and the media are trying to destroy sikhs in punjab and thats why they do drugs and drop out of school and cause they don't have money and no jobs so i said then why are sikh youth getting into drugs and dropping out of school in bc, showing that its not cause of the media or indian govt that kids are messing up in our community but cause of bad paranting and gender bias, thats why i posted that video and articles go watch the video and read the articles of how sikh boys are brutally spoiled which is the root cause for most the problems were facing today, from domestic violence to gang violence in punjab and bc to drug abuse in punjab and bc, its horrible paranting when i said the indian govt has corrupted sikh youth in canada i was being sarcastic to show how stupid ppl are to blame the indian govt for all the problems we face in our community, and most khalistanis blame the indian govt for drugs and so on, so if their willing to blame the indian govt for the problems in the punjab my question is do khalistanis also blame the indian govt for corrupting sikh youth in canada, cause if their sad enough to blame the indian govt for corrupting youth in punjab then they should be dumb enough to blame the indian govt for corrupting youth in canada, cause alot of the problems youth face in the punjab are same as once in bc so im saying why waste time chanting khalistan cause you can't get khalistan with all these problems but rather lets focus on fixing these problems, but one problem is most khalistanis blame the indian govt for the problems so i know they ain't fixing any problems cause how are they going to get to the root of all these problems and fix them if they continue to blame the indian govt for our own mistakes, as well why are current and former babbar khalsa and sikh youth federation guys chanting khalistan when they didn't go fight for it when they had the chance in the 80's and 90's, if they didn't go fight in 80's and 90's guess what their never going to fight for it and thats fact

Sikhs in Oldbury face attacks from Muslim youth WSN Network LONDON: Young Sikhs in Oldbury have been consistently facing violent attacks and threats from local Muslim youth and police is now trying to douse the imflamed passions after repeated clashes. The Oldbury Neighbourhood Policing Team is tackling and reducing tension after meeting worried residents at a neighbourhood meeting at Burntree Primary School. A police spokesman said: “Following recent disorders involving groups of young Muslim and Sikh males, community tension has been perceived to be rising in the Burntree and Temple Way areas. “In order to identify the underlying problems, neighbourhood officers have attempted to engage community leaders from both communities with a view to improving relations. The police are working hard to diffuse tensions and are cooperating with Sandwell Metropolitan Borough Council in a bid to calm the situation down even extending its operation into local schools. And in a newsletter to residents the police promised: “The local neighbourhood policing team are currently working with partners to reduce tensions in these areas. “The Police and the Council are looking to engage the community at the forthcoming surgeries to discuss the needs of the community and officers have also worked alongside local schools to monitor tensions.” The police spokesman said: “The neighbourhood police team has taken positive action against a number of individuals within each group with a view to prosecution. Officers are also working closely with youngsters in the area of all backgrounds.” Burntree area is blighted with chronic anti-social behaviour including blatant drug taking and underage drinking

and to see sikhs on the front page of news papers for killing their wives and for developing a reputation in canada for domestic violence, i mean the indian govt has nothing to do with this so i don't know why khalistanis waste their time blaming the indian govt rather then focusing on the real cause of this problem which comes down to gender inequality and mama boys whose mothers get jealous of their daughter in laws then turn on their daughter in laws and get their drunk sons to beat down their wives

for me as far as im concerned khalistan is a waste of time, and for the fact all these former and current members of babbar khalsa sikh youth federation and the other groups that live in canada didn't go fight when they had the chance to in the 80's and 90's shows that these guys will never go fight for it and instead are wasting the money time and energy while the problems in are community grow worste, and with so many problems how the heck do they think they'll get khalistan cause it kills to see my community go down hill, it pisses me off having to listen to story's of sikh girls running off with muslims or sikh girls getting into prostitution and boys dropping out of school being so spoiled by their parants its humilating cause parants are raising boys rather then men and hearing story's and seeing kids getting hooked on drugs, and female abortions in punjab is more of a concern then khalistan and that has nothing to with the indian govt just us sikhs being stupid and not taking this problem serious enough

i don't know if its pakistan providing the false information or if alot of these khalistani ppl running these websites and preaching in the gurdwaras arthat indira gandhi was an rss agent trying to destroy sikhism and congress and rss worked together along with other hindutva organisations its one of the two either pakistan provided this info and they were dumb enough to believe it or one <banned word filter activated> made up alot of this propaganda and rest of these guys were to dumb to not research for themselves and believe it blindly but i don't know what you mean last 500 years of bramin sikh history are you talking about the big camp fire that took place 500 years ago when the bramins sat their singing cumbia then one said hey lets destroy all the sikhs and all of them started screaming yea yea as well i hate indian govt hence why i keep attacking it in my post for its corruption, cause its corruption has hurt ppl but hey why don't you bad mouth pakistan for letting their drug dealers push drugs into punjab and other parts of india and blame the muslims that have influence in bollywood for also taking part in movies that made sikhs look like goofy characters???? but yea we can agree that punjab has drug problems the youth are dropping out of school and gender inequality and girls suffering low cases of low self esteem hence why so many fall for stupid sleezy pick up lines and engage in acts of premarital sex, but you believe its all the indian govt fault so my question for you is how do you plan on getting khalistan by playing victims, but how do you plan on getting khalistan with all these problems while you blame the indian govt for all the problems, what are khalistanis doing today to get khalistan cause to me you can blame the indian govt all you want and we as a community can continue to fail and continue to raise a bunch of dumb drug addicts and continue to raise boys who are spoiled brats who choose to drop out of school, and no its not cause ppl from other states are taking up all the college spots so are boys can't get in thats just stupid cause then why are more and more girls graduating college, i know its cause almost half the boys in punjab are hooked on drugs thanks to their dumb parants who don't know how to raise kids and thats why were seeing the same stuff happening in bc, but please tell me how you plan on getting khalistan by letting problems grow in the community by blaming the indian govt for all the problems, while at it tell me why the christian majority state of kerela's youth are doing so well in school and the hindus arn't trying to destroy them by forcing them out of school since bollywoods top actors are muslims tell me how in a country you consider to be a hindu country how the media were its top performers are muslims how the hindus are using these muslim actors and bollywood to destroy sikhs while making movies that praise mughul leaders starting actresses like aishwarya rai now alot of sikh parants are good at raising successfull children but at same time alot are dumb at raising children punjab has alot of problems but i believe we have to attack the root of the problem and when it comes to problems like youth dropping out of school drugs and gender inequality girls with low self esteem and pre marital sex i believe we have messed up as a community and changes need to be made to address these problems and we need to re educate are community on how to raise kids and be proper parants, i believe we messed up and need to take accountability and reasons i don't blame the indian govt for our problems is cause we suffer the same problems in canada and i know the indian govt isn't corrupting youth in canada maybe a dumb extremely brainwashed moran will believe this but not me that is why i believe when we attack the big problems we can come together as a community and over throw corruption in punjab and inspire others in other states in india to follow suit, cause im pretty sure the millions of sikhs that live in punjab who are sick of corruption have no problem over throwing politicans and police officers cause if millions come together i know for a fact that these politicans will run crying and hide along with the police, and in a democracy its ppl who are spose to have power not the politicans and when ppl finally have the power they can deliver justice now i agree with you when ppl have their own country they can get justice and take ppl to international court, but i believe its easier by getting justice by having the ppl overthrow the politicans then take ppl to international court cause country's like canada don't consider kps gill a criminal and many european country's don't consider jagdesh tytler a criminal thats why their allowed into many country's cause indian govt will protect these guys from the internation community, and with india becomming a super power i highly doubt the international community could get their hands on these guys, only way to bring justice is by attacking these guys from within india by having the ppl take control of the govt,

dude i didn't miss any of your points if i did could you show me which one, i understand sikh and bramin history and i am very well educated so don't try insulting me cause you can't answer any of my questions, but i have answered all your questions and please show me which questions of your's i havn't answered, but if its about the indian govt destroying sikhs in punjab well i already proved to you its our paranting and not the indian govt and only a dumb brainwashed moran would blame the indian govt and cry victim rather then take an accountable approach, a victim is a coward who gets kicked in the face over and over and it takes courage and strength to take accountability and with accountability problems get solved and ppl grow stronger ""i think this i think that"" dude im giving you evidence your the one making dumb irational arguments, blame the indian govt for drugs lol hahahahaah blame the indian govt cause they got the media destroying sikh minds in canada and punjab lol i just provided you some articles explaining how its the paranting failing the youth,, and im asking you if it is the media in india and the indian govt that are destroying young sikhs could you explain how their destroying young sikhs in canada as well i think this i think not i think i know, i do know 99% of these khalistanis in canada england america who are or were part of babbar khalsa sikh youth fedeeration and other organisations won't fight for khalistan cause when they had the chance to go fight for it in the 80's and 90's they chose to hide in canada england and america, is that not true, you know this is true, cause everyone who did go fight for khalistan died as a soldier and i respect the men who died cause they fought like soldiers rather then acting like another brain washed khalistani tell me what part of my argument is irational, is it cause you can't answer my questions that im making you think rather then be brain washed i think this i think that dude im giving you facts tell me what am i saying thats wrong lol, ive answered all your questions but your not answering mine lol or am a indian govt agent part of the conspiracy to destroy sikhs lol hahahaha, its a bramin conspiracy thats 500 years old and panthic weekly.com uncovered it this is bigger then the da vinci code this is bigger then the 9/11 conspiracy oh my god sikhs havn't gotton justice since 1947 and most of india hasn't gotton justice since 1947 cause corrupt politicans run india and the ppl are to scared to rise and crush the corruption so sikhs and everyone else in india has fallen victim, unless they are super rich and can pay off the politicans or are politicans you claim youth are dropping out of school in punjab cause of the govt, well i got one article i just posted showing you how punjabis are doing below average in school in canada and ill post another one were their dropping out at higher rate then anyone else in british colombia, their plenty of jobs here could you answer my question as to why youth in punjab and british colombia are dropping out of school and doing below average, is it cause the indian govt is influencing the media and youth in canada to lol hahahahahahahahaahahhaha oh sorry i was wrong punjab is the second richest state in india, http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/City/Chandigarh/Punjab-second-richest-state-in-country-CII/articleshow/605728.cms tell me why are boys in punjab falling behind in school in punjab and dropping out and dropping out and falling below average in country's like canada and in christian states of kerela their youth are some of the top performers in education in india, lol were's your hindu indian govt conspiracy now, punjab being ranked best state to live in and the fact youth who come from middle class and upper class family's in canada getting hooked on drugs and falling below average in school shows that its the paranting thats failing http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-today-poll-punjab-best-state/20363-3.html with your way of thinking we should blame hindus bramins and indian govt for all our problems in punjab and west, even though we share similar problems in canada and punjab your thinking is blame the hindus lol which i believe is a stupid way to think, hence why your not answering my questions as to why we suffer the same kindd of drug problems in canada as we do in punjab and how the indian govt corrutps youth in canada as well since you think their corrupting the youth in india, have you watched the video or read any of the stuff i posted im glad you understand the difference between hindutva and congress, and understand congress are corrupt politicans and not hindu fanatics and please explain that to all khalistanis especially the older once in canada who run around like idiots claiming indira gandhi was a bramin fanatic trying to destroy sikhs cause she just hated sikhs cause we weren't bhramins even though she hired sikh body guards to protect her rather then hindu body guards and yes i know the last 500 years of bramin and sikh history, tell me what i don't know about the bramins lol hahahaa unless your one of those idiots who believes for last 500 years all the bramins come together to talk about destroying sikhs, its a conspiracy bigger then 9/11 and da vinci code my god how could ppl miss this especially when panthic weekly has bin warning us lol hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa

main point, i believe sikhs should stay in india and we should fix the problems from the ground up, once we fix the large problems i believe sikhs will be able to come together in the west and punjab and fight for justice for all the victims and be able to fight corruption in punjab and outside of punjab but how does getting khalistan help get justice for sikh victims?? you got your country but how do you get justice for the victims, one of the reasons i can't support khalistan it don't make sence as well sikhs had their own empire were we were the minority, sikhs can live in india and be powerfull in india, india may be majority hindu but i don't believe its a hindu country, but i don't understand why khalistanis mistakenly blame hindus mainly bhamins for indian govt corruption thinking the bramins are trying to destroy sikhi and that was indira gandhi and congress party mission, like the 84 anti sikh riots led by jagdesh tytler who is no way a hindu extremist considering he was adopted and raised by a christian pastor, he was a corrupt politican willing to massacore communitys but hinduism had nothing to do with it, and indira gandhi who married a parsi how was she a bramin extremist, and if you go to majority khalistan websites they all believe indira gandhi was a hindutva agent trying to destroy sikhi for bramins even though hindutva followers killed mahatma gandhi and tried killing nehru saying he was an undercover muslim, how do you support khalistan when they don't even understand india's politics and just make propaganda up and believe what ever the pakistanis tell them about india, cause i bet this stupid thinking of indira gandhi being a hindutva follower came from the pakistanis, and if you go to hindutva websites you''ll see their hate for indira gandhi her dad mahatma gandhi and sonia gandhi rahul gandhi hell these hindtuva groups got attacked by the gandhi family for calling rahul gandhi a rapist yet all these khalistani websites and majority of khalistani followers i meet believe the nehru gandhi family are hindtuva extremists trying to destroy sikhi for bramins, how do you support a movement who doesn't understand indian politics, and hindutuva followers are jokes most of them are wussies with sticks who weigh 90 pounds

SPARK: A LIFE CHANGING PROGRAM FOR OUR CHILDREN (Extracts from a piece by Arvind Bubber. Kwantlen Board member and former SPARK president, and Derek Nanson, Dean, Qualifying Studies and Student Services, Kwantlen University College. Bubber has been the guiding light behind this wonderful program.) We read and hear a lot of stories in the media about our children being involved in drugs and fights. We know that many will drop out of school. In B.C., statistics are not favorable for Indo-Canadian children. For those that do graduate from high school, the graduates are 10% less likely to qualify for University entrance as compared to the average. Even if they do qualify, they are 15% less likely to be accepted at the university as compared to the average. Further, even if they both qualify and are accepted, they are 20% less likely to actually register as compared to the provincial average. What does this mean? This means that they are not taking advantage of the opportunity to get higher levels of education. In Surrey, the situation is even worse; Indo-Canadians are 33% less likely to attend university compared to the provincial average. S.P.A.R.K (Students, Preparation, Access, Reaching Goals, Knowledge): The S.P.A.R.K. Program is a four-way partnership between Kwantlen University College, the S.P.A.R.K. Education Foundation, the Surrey School District, and the Ministries of Education and Advanced Education. The idea began in the summer of 2003 and caught the imagination of the members of the Indo-Canadian business community and the Kwantlen University College. The community very quickly raised funds that were matched by Kwantlen to cover the cost for the first year of operation. The Surrey School District identified Tamanawis High School for this pilot project and in 2005, the program doubled when it expanded to Princess Margaret with additional funding from the Ministries of Education and Advanced Education. The vision was to provide an opportunity to students who would not normally have considered going on to post-secondary education. It is expected that over the four years, 200 students (currently 50 students each year) will get an opportunity to participate. During Grade 11 and 12 years, S.P.A.R.K. students are provided free university courses with Program Assistants providing additional support. Tamanawis and Princess Margaret also provide support through their counselors, teachers and administration. For more information, please contact the S.P.A.R.K. Educational Foundation through Caitlin.Zotzman@Kwantlen.Ca. and im going to hunt down another article about indo canadian youth less likely then anyone else to finish high school in british colombia and most indo canadian youth are punjabis in british colombia

The only stupid person making stupid arguments is you not anyone else. Are as many youth hooked on drugs in Canada as in Punjab? No. Why? Because in Punjab drugs are easily available and the government allows its free market. Can a 13 year old kid buy drugs in Canada legally? No but in Punjab yes. Your argument has no grounds. Besides the topic is about Khalistan so what does all of this have to do with Khalistan? Khalistan is not causing these problems. You said Khalistan cannot survive with these problems then explain to me how India is surviving or Punjab in this case with the same problem? How is Columbia surviving? What is your real argument here against Khalistan? Drug problem in Punjab or in Canada? Or the drug problem over all? Because in any case Khalistan has nothing to do with these problems. You are against Khalistan because youth is addicted to drugs? What a ridiculous argument. You are blaming the parents for this problem yet opposing Khalistan on the same grounds. Nonsense. So now Khalistanis are to be blamed for all of this. Punjabis makes mistakes and its Khalistanis fault? Isn't Punjab part of India? Then why don't you expect Punjabis and pro-Indians to fix this? Why should Khalistanis fix all the problems while Indians sit around doing nothing? Just because you are part of some group doesn't mean you are the only one doing something. It is the responsibility of every human being to do something to make society better and peaceful. It is the responsibility of the government to stop drug traffic, open more schools, offer scholarships and financial aid and setup industry to have more employment opportunities. Khalistanis don't have a country then how can you expect them to do all of this. They have to fight a tyrant government not to please you. They are not bothered by opposition from you and people like yourself. Have your father burnt alive, mother and sister gang raped in the streets of Delhi and then we will see how you react. We will see how much you will be willing to fix the country that is run by the same individuals that killed your family members. We will see how quickly you forget about it and how you would react when someone tells you to fight in courts after 25 years. Stop living in a dream. Answer my questions first. You haven't addressed my single argument. Don't present your theories without any facts. Don't tell us what you think without justifying it with some rationality. Your posts so far show that you have personal hatred towards Khalistanis. Not a character of someone who wants to help human beings. Look around you. How many sant/babas and groups come and ask for money to fix some problems in Punjab. People give money right and left. Do all Khalistanis always say no? Never. Khalistanis are humans just like others so don't expect them to fix everything. Others have responsibility too. By the way when are you going back to fight for Kashmir? How many other Indians do you know who will be going back? Why are Indians living in Western countries and still supporting India? Shouldn't they go live in their own country? Why don't you permanently go back? What kind of cases will you be fighting for in the courts for victims of 84 and Delhi massacre? How about helping those whose children disappeared forever and had their entire families killed? With so much corruption, oppression, killing, rapes, tortures, bribery, youth on drugs, abortion, sex etc how is Indian managing to survive? Explain this in details. my main point is why waste time screaming khalistan and not focus on the bigger problems at hand right now as well why i believe all these khalistanis who are part of or use to be part of babbar khalsa and sikh youth federation won't go back and fight is cause they didn't go and fight when they had the chance to and the war was on in the late 80's and early 90's instead they got scared stayed in canada and uk and america just to preach khalistan without the guts to fight for khalistan hence why many elders who don't support khalistan laugh at these guys, but i do give props to the khalistanis who did fight and die in the late 80's and early 90's cause they died fighting like soldiers, they died on their feet

You are getting the point. There are many parents who teach their kids and raise them in Gurmat yet the kids fall victims to drugs and alcohol. Why? The fact is that the kids are most influenced by their company and the movies they watch. Why are so many girls running off with guy and get married? They think their lives will end up like in the movies and their "love" will win in the end. Do you know when Surjeet Bindarakhiya's song "Kuri Pagh De Paich Te Margayee" came out, every single guy started wearing a turban. Why did that happen? Bollywood movies whether in India or USA or Canada have much influence on Punjabis. When young kids see movie actors "heroes" drinking alcohol and smoking they think it is okay to do it because the "good guys" are doing it. Why is homosexuality still not legal in California? Because majority of the people don't want their kids to assume that it is okay to do it and is natural. Media influences every aspect of our lives. Look around you and see how many people believe the newspapers, tv news and magazines. Almost every hindu blames Sikhs for spreading terrorism in 80s. Why? Because of the media. It I svery powerful and you are a naïve kid for not knowing that. So you are saying youth is dropping out of school in USA and Canada? Care to provide some numbers and hard facts? I see people dropping out, working and then going back. I see the youth sticking in through the collage. I have seen amritdharis becoming monas and monas becoming amritdharis. It is happening both ways. Situation you see in your neighborhood is not the same in other cities let alone in another country. Don't generalize the entire youth based on few individuals you see. That is really ignorant and dumb. After all, what does this have to do with you being against Khalistan? Is Khalistan causing all of this? No. So go do it. No one is criticizing you. Then why are wasting your time in opposing Khalistan when you think you can do better by giving back? Many Khalistanis and anti-Khalistans are giving back the way they think is right and are helping people in Punjab. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it is not happening. Girls running off with Muslims is the problem in UK not in Punjab unless you go to Kashmir in which case majority of Sikhs there are amritdharis and in some areas if one becomes a mona he is boycotted from the community. I know plenty who will go back. Time Is not right. First do parchaar, raise awareness, get some people together and when revolution starts fight back. Preaching is not a bad thing. Aren't you preaching as well? If one says Sikhs have the right to live free way of life would you criticize him for preaching and not fighting? I asked you before: why is it that Sikhs cannot raise their voices and preach about Khalistan? Why can't Khalistanis have good lobbyists and propaganda? Why can't they use media to let the general public know? Do they have to fight all the time? If yes then aren't you being a big <banned word filter activated> for expecting too much from Sikhs when you know for a fact that not every American fought in American Revolution, WWI and WWII, Vietnam, Kosovo and now in Afghanistan? Why aren't all the Indians fighting against Pakistan and why isn't every Muslim fighting for Kashmir? Why are you being a bigot? Not every single Sikh fought in all the wars. Some fight, some preach, some spread propaganda, some support financially etc. Every movement needs all of this. Can you give me the exact date and time when you will be going back? So it is the people's fault not Khalistan. Blame people not the movement. Khalistan is not playing any role in mismanagement of the gurdwaras. Khalistan is for a good cause which is to make better lives of the Sikhs and provide them with everything they don't have. Punjab is not the richest state in India. Even in education the highest rank it has held is second (first was Kerela) now it is at 5th (I think). First go make India better and tell the government to give back the control of water, electricity and farmers to price their own crops. Then ask the government to setup industry like it did in Haryana. Then we will see how many people move out of the state and how many drop out of schools. Don't waste your time in opposing something you don't agree with. Sikhs want Khalistan to make Punjab better. Why don't you at least ask some to help you financially and this way you can have some Khalistanis on your side making things better but rather all you do is criticize. parants who let their kids be influenced by the media without educating them are idiots, and i know this is majority of parants but once again the root of the problem is at home with the family, i never got influenced by the media i was tought to think for myself and i know many ppl who arn't influenced by the media and its thanks to their family and how they raised them, ppl who blame the media for corrupting their children are just dumb parants who don't know how to parant, don't blame the media cause the parants failed to teach their kids to think for themselves rather then be influenced by what others say, but if your <Edited> off at the media then why not be <Edited> off at many of your fellow khalistanis not all the khalistanis cause i know a few who liked this move but many hated this movie singh is king, i mean how dumb are the ppl who were against this movie cause their were khalistanis who thought singh is king was a hindu conspiracy movei to destroy sikhi lol hahahahahahahaaaaaa just like their dumb khalistanis who think bollywood is a hindutva organisation trying to destroy sikhi when in reality bollywood is heavily controlled by muslims hence why the top actors are muslims and a move can be made praising a mughul leader with hirthic kroshan and aishwarya rai in the movie . lol i asked how do you plan on getting khalistan when so many boys are dropping out of school in punjab, you blamed the govt i blamed the paranting, and asked if its the govt's fault then how is the govt getting kids to drop out of school in canada and ill get the article which shows statistics for indo canadian youth mostly of punjabi background dropping out of high school in bc i posted the article on this website 2 years back from my old account so ill hunt that down and post it for you cause i think the newspaper may of deleted the original article out of the archives after a year or 2 but ill get the article and take a read and explain how the indian govt makes kids drop out in the west, we have more youth dropping out of high school then any other community right now in bc now how does the indian govt make this happen, their plenty of jobs in british colombia its canada for gods sake or does it have to do with paranting once again, as well once again watch warriors boys about the indo canadian gang violence and see how many youth are believed to be on drugs in high school in canada from punjabi backgrounds, plenty of jobs in canada, once again is it the indian govt or how sikhs raise their children, tell me does the indian govt make sikh youth put sikh girls into prostitution in canada You are getting the point. There are many parents who teach their kids and raise them in Gurmat yet the kids fall victims to drugs and alcohol. this is cause their parants are to freaking strict, they force sikhi on their kids rather then inspire them to follow it lol, a girl i went to hs with was gursikh went to the gurdwara but her parants forced it on her and she ended up running away with some old 40 year old uncle when she was 17, her parants ended up driving her crazy, or the gursikh sikh girl who comes from a gursikh family who ran off with her muslim boyfriend and converted in england i bet her family drove her insane this is why i im glad to be working with a group who will have more influence and solve more problems then i believe the khalistanis will, cause while khalistanis like you blame others i believe ppl like us are getting to the root of the problem and once you can fix the root of the problem you can change a community, i don't know how exactly to put this into words but here goes, when you plant an apple tree and it grows and it produces bad apples, you can take the apples off the tree you can wash the apples but to change the apples you have to get to the roots of the tree, their's to many problems in the sikh community to get khalistan, khalistanis blame indian govt for propaganda i believe in changing the paranting in our culture, and to get justice in india and to fight corruption we have to bring the ppl together but before that we have to solve the problems in our community first which the khalistanis are failing to do hence why i believe preaching khalistan is a waste of time

and while at it why not blame the pakistani mob leaders for drugging sikh youth since they push the drugs into india lol hahaha or are to many khalistanis to scared to blame pakistan for anything

what i highlighted their is a weak and pathetic way of thinking, blame the govt what a stupid way to think, this is how victims who are cowards think, this thinking may explain why khalistan never happened, its about accountability, tell me this is it india's govt fault that sikh youth are getting hooked on drugs in the west to???? or does it have to do with how parants raise their kids in india and canada???? http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php/topic/46511-gang-war/page__p__428265__fromsearch__1entry428265 read this and tell me how the indian govt corrupts punjabi kids in canada to and how parants have nothing to do with this AND PLEASE READ THE PARTS I HIGHLIGHTED cause i see it like this, punjabi parants in punjab and canada are failing their kids and its not the indain govt fault, this is why khalistanis have done nothing in fixing community problems in the west cause their to weak to teach ppl accountability and to busy telling ppl to feel like victims and why its taking other organisations to address problems

the importance of having the balls to stand your ground could of saved them the beating, those guys could of easily bin handled by the guys who got beat up, if his friends had some balls rather then trying to stop the fight if they took off their belts and went all out they would of saved their friends and saved themselves humilation

Renu Bakshi’s infamous article that was published in MacLean’s Magazine on December 23rd, 2002. I believe this article was the catalyst to get the South Asian Community talking about the Gang Violence Issue. A lot of people took this article negatively, however, if it wasn’t for this article, who knows how long the ignorance and denial would have kept their darkness draped over a growing issue. —– THE ROOTS OF GANG WARFARE B.C.’s Sikhs must look hard at themselves MacLean’s Magazine Published: December 23, 2002 by Renu Bakshi HE LEFT THE nightclub in his usual fashion — the envy of the room, a beautiful woman on his arm. As he hailed a cab for the short ride to his posh condo in downtown Vancouver, a man with his history had to know he was pegged. “It all happened so fast,” the cabbie would say as his fare lay bleeding, riddled with bullets on the road. Robbie Kandola. To youngsters and hangers-on, he was a name they knew and feared. To police investigators, he was a toe tagged No. 54. In the past 10 years in Greater Vancouver, Kandola had been the 54th young man killed in an Indo-Canadian gang war over drugs, money and women. The showdown of bravado has claimed victims execution-style on city streets. Suspects have forced victims to swallow gasoline before lighting a match. Some have been shot at close range at nightclubs. Others have just vanished without a trace. While the mode of attack varies, victim profiles are interchangeable. Their obituaries describe men in their early 20s. Eulogies honour “nice” boys from good families. Most discernable of all, the victims are predominantly Sikhs whose background, by birth or by family, is in India’s Punjab region. No other Indian sub-community in the nation has lost so many young men to murder. Even with large Hindu and Muslim populations in Canada, this bloody gang war is unique to B.C.’s primarily Sikh community. With 50-plus murder files — most unsolved — and the threat of more looming, police investigators are scratching their heads. For years they’ve searched for answers, ever hesitant to ask a controversial question finally posed publicly by B.C. Supreme Court Justice Wally Oppal: “Why has the Indo-Canadian community raised a disproportionate number of killers?” Some people may cringe at the “stereotype,” or gasp that such a discussion dare take place in an age when Canada has sworn in its first Indo-Canadian premier. But Justice Oppal is himself a Sikh. The truth is, the majority of the Punjabi community has contemplated the question, but chosen to quash it. Fear of legitimizing media coverage maybe? Or harming an already fractured community image? Not likely. This is a community that protects itself through denial. There’s really no dodging this bullet. A Punjabi boy’s aggression and contempt of the law can be traced to misguided religious beliefs and his family’s traditional practices. Most of the 50-plus victims come from this same complex culture. From the moment a Punjabi boy opens his eyes, his parents hand him the keys to the Porsche of life. From now on, his mother will ride in the back seat, literally and figuratively, putting her son ahead of the world. Her boy will have the privilege of eating a warm meal, without the chore of clearing the dishes alongside his sister. In a fit of childhood rage, he will kick and punch his mother, as his father and grandmother look on, taking great pride in their boy’s supposed courage. It is the same cycle in most Punjabi households. All Indos, as we tend to call ourselves, have witnessed parents, grandparents and relatives mourn the birth of a girl, even today, while celebrating news that an heir to the throne is born. As Indos, we know too many sisters who were raised under a microscope of discipline and fear, burdened with the terror of defying their parents or shaming the family. All the while, their male counterparts are heralded as the Kings of the Castle, allowed free rein. “That’s my boy,” Dad will say, as the little guy steals a sip of his Johnny Walker Red Label. Vancouver police Insp. Kash Heed knows the Punjabi culture well. He grew up in a Sikh family. Heed, now Vancouver’s top drug cop, says he’s embarrassed by the stigma facing his community. ” ‘That’s my boy, that’s my boy’ has gone out of control,” Heed says. “You have fathers and mothers praising their sons when these boys are involved in illegal activity — drug trafficking and murders. But these parents are still going ‘that’s my boy’ based on that old family principle.” Heed agrees Punjabi boys grow up in a testosterone-fuelled environment run by an iron-fisted patriarch. In too many cases, violence is the tool with which the head of household settles disputes with his wife, as well as other members of the family. RCMP in the Vancouver suburb of Surrey, where many Sikhs live, say a disproportionate number of the domestic disputes their officers attend involve Sikh couples, and the disputes are almost always sparked by alcohol. Eventually, a young boy will become a young man and step into a community that thrives on bravado — a world where everything is a grudge match, a fight to the finish. From Sunday sermons at Sikh temples to Friday nights at bars, police files show that disagreements among Punjabi men are regularly settled with the use of force. The difference is, youngsters have replaced the holy Sikh sword with machine guns. Five centuries ago, Guru Nanak founded Sikhism, a religion designed to promote equality among people. Although it evolved into a warrior religion, it was intended to uphold bravery in the face of evil. But the very essence of Sikhism, its spiritual struggle for human rights, has been perverted by misguided men bent on gaining power and exacting revenge. The Sikh teaching, “When all else fails, only then raise your sword,” no longer applies to defending the defenceless. It is an excuse to use violence to settle the score. This is especially true in Greater Vancouver, where interpretations of Sikh principles have led to terrible bloodshed. Three orthodox Sikhs are currently awaiting trial in the 1985 Air India bombings that killed 331 people. Authorities believe the bombing was a Sikh separatist message for India’s dominant Hindu government. Heed says there are numerous high-profile examples in Vancouver of Sikhs using delusional personal readings of religion to settle disputes. People, he says, need to look no further than temple “leaders” in B.C. whose battles for political power have been captured repeatedly on video for the six o’clock news. “Once, an item on TV showed a religious Sikh leader taking a big sword and slashing someone in the stomach,” Heed says. “That happened at a temple. The image played over and over on TV.” Violence is even part of Punjabi pop culture. Songs that play on local radio stations encourage Sikhs to be proud of their identity at all costs. Some lyrics go as far as encouraging youngsters to pick up pistols and rifles to fight for “justice.” Bravado, Heed says, is part of the male species in general, but among Punjabis there are dangerous contributing factors. “Couple bravado with Sikh religion, couple it with the Punjabi culture and attitudes, and a lack of positive role models — look what you have.” What you have are young men who lack discipline and direction, young men who find adventure in earning fast money in the drug trade. Young men primed for violence. The catalyst for many teenage Sikhs may have come in 1994. Two young men gained notoriety far beyond the Sikh community when they used the evening news to exchange blatant threats. Weeks later, one of them was gunned down on a busy street in broad daylight. Television images showed paramedics working feverishly to save him from the gunshot wounds. The man charged but acquitted in his murder, Bindy Johal, emerged a hero among young men. “All of a sudden this behaviour was glorified,” Heed recalls. “If kids wanted to make a name for themselves and settle schoolyard fights, they saw this as the way to do it.” Those schoolyard fights have evolved into hunting season on Vancouver’s streets. These days, gangsters are dying at the rate of one per month; Johal himself was later gunned down. It’s a harsh reality, yet the Sikh community refuses to hear the wake-up call. Justice Oppal calls it willful blindness. “You tell me why a parent with an unemployed 23-year-old son driving a BMW doesn’t think there’s something wrong with that picture,” he says. “Our sons are getting slaughtered but parents and the community are in a state of denial.” Even after their sons are murdered in drug-related shootings, parents have often spoken on record to reinforce their sons’ “innocence.” Police officers have also described incidents where parents have slammed doors in their faces when they try to deliver news of the murder. Characteristics of Vancouver’s gang problem are now emerging in Britain and the U.S. Authorities in northern California say only 25 per cent of their Indo-American community is Sikh, yet violent Indo gangs are made up almost entirely of Sikh youngsters. California parents are also caught in the cycle of denial. They say their sons are not part of gangs, they’re just “boys being boys.” Over the years, Oppal has seen a drastic increase in the number of young Indo men caught up in B.C.’s justice system. “The community can blame the police, they can blame the courts, they can blame society at large. But it’s time we started looking inward.” Oppal says the community and police need to work together to stop the killing spree, but he admits that ignorance in Vancouver’s police department has contributed to the problem. “Police have never taken the time to get to know the Indo-Canadian community. This is what happened in the United States in inner cities where police are seen as the invading army. Police have no respect there.” Heed agrees. He questions why police officers show up at the annual Indian Diwali festival wearing uniforms and stern faces. “When police go to other communities’ events, they go in a community-policing role to meet and greet people,” he says. “Why is it that at Indian events, they show up in a strictly enforcement role?” That may be changing. In Vancouver, an important first step between police and the community took place on June 15. Police officers faced off with members of the Indo community at a forum designed to build trust and help solve the city’s gang problem. During the session, the split between police and the community was clear. Homicide officers expressed concern about the “conspiracy of silence” Sikhs use to protect their sons at the expense of solving murder investigations. Members of the community responded with accusations of racism. Why isolate “Indo” violence and host a forum, they asked. The statistics, however, won the day. Nearly 60 victims. Hundreds more gang members involved in the drug trade — many of them “targeted” for murder, police say. That drove a strong debate against the aggression that has become an integral part of Sikh culture, religion and family values. Indo teachers, social workers, police officers and politicians called for community reforms to stop further bloodshed. At this stage, Oppal admits, some youngsters cannot be saved. “We just have to write them off,” he says. Heed says police may have trouble keeping up with the deadly war. “The killings show no sign of slowing down,” he says. “Eventually murder suspects become victims.” Since Robbie Kandola’s death in June, four more Indo men have made it onto the list of victims, one a university student who was only 18. Another was clinging to life last week after five men were shot in a Surrey parking lot. The sad reality is, none of these young men ever had a fair shot at life. That chalk outline on the sidewalk is the final page of the religious and cultural blueprint that was used to raise them. Renu Bakshi, who comes from a Punjabi background, is a reporter with CTV in Vancouver.