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I have seen some misconceptions regarding dharna keertan. There are some people that say there is good dharnas and bad dharnas. I am a bit confused by that statement. There are two types of dharnas that I have heard, and I believe that they are within gurmat. They are either sung about sikh history or translations of gurbani. A dharna about sikh history would be something like: sir jaavey tha jaavey mera sikhi sidhak naa jaavey singing about when the sikh bibis had necklaces of the insides of their babies hung around their necks and they still did not give up their religion. And a dharna on gurbani would be like: darshan satgur tera jee mei dekh dekh jeeva , which comes from darshan dekh jeeva gur tera pooran karam hoei prabh mera. Another dharna that is a translation from a gurbani tuk that Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale used to sing is: Eh panchi kala eh ehdei magar sheikari bahutei which is referring to the jeev as a panchi and the punj chor as shikari. The overall idea of dharnas is to do veechar of gurbani. Veechar of gurbani is a form of bhagti. Bhagti is sacha (truth). Things that turn your back to Guru Granth Sahib and sikh history are kacha or choota (false). A dharna used to spread sikh histroy deserves all praise. The nation that forgets it's history is not here today, nor will it be here tommorrow. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Bhai Sahib Jee, there are Singhs that used to live with Sant Attar Singh which I have met and heard their keertan. Sant Attar Singh was in a very deep vairaag state of mind when Guru Jee appeared and gave the hukam for them to do gursikhi parchar. Sant Attar Singh was not someone that would follow their own manmat and make up their own manmat methods. They were 100% gursikh. You agree that singing kavithas is not wrong. Some dharnas a similar to kavithas, so using a vaja to sing kavithas is wrong? Is it the idea of using a vaja that is wrong? No one used a vaja in Guru Nanak's time. Guru Nanak would sing gurbani and Mardana would play the rabab. Does that mean that you can only sing gurbani using a rabab?

Bhai Taru Singh had to face a test and they still got their scalp cut off rather than their hair. Today, the people cut their hair without even having to face any tests. They just go and do it themselves. :wub:

I don't need to justify anything. Guru Sahib told Sant Attar Singh Mastuanei to do keertan using dharnas. There are people still living that have heard dharnas that Sant Attar Singh used to sing. Sant Attar Singh did not use any microphones and their voice could be heard in a 5 mile radius. That was the kirpa of Guru Nanak.

Gursikhi has no relevance to age. Kirpa / Bakshish from Guru Nanak can happen at any age. Guru Harkrishan blessed a gunga to do arth of a Hindu text. True wisdom is gained through naam and is a blessing from the guru. Doing research and reading books does not automatically make someone a gurmukh. I would rather listen to katha from a five year old gursikh rather than a 60 year old kala afgana scholor. The shotei sahibzaadei had a lot more sikhi than most people that have spent over 50 years on this earth.

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Does anyone know of any software that lets you record streaming audio files? What I want to do is record the audio from darbar sahib into a mp3 file. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Do you call dhaddi vara gurbani? Guru Jee kept many dhaddis and kavisheris and they used to sing in the Guru's court. - and Sant Ranjit Singh doesn't charge fees for doing keertan, but from personal experience I know that the person mentioned earlier in this post hardev singh of looloo does have fees set on his keertan. (low fee for average keertan, high fee for good keertan).

I would just like to point out that it was a hukam from Guru Jee for Sant Attar Singh Mastuaney Vale to do keertan using the dharnas. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

There is no need to attack Satty for her personal opinions.

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vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Sikhs only matha tek to God. There is nothing wrong in matha tekking to God's jot. In gurbani it says "Sant Ram Hai Eko". vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! This is from the website www.atammarg.com about the spiritual journey one takes: There are certain Do's and Dont's for the spiritual journey, called yam and Niyam. These are ten each in numbers as per details : Yam : - (X) 1. Non-Violence :- Do not cause harm to anybody, through mind, body, intellect or speech. Pray from the core of your heart, "The glory of Name Divine is highest. Let all human beings be happy by the grace of God." 2. Truthfulness :- Live truthful life and indulge not in hypocrisy. 3. Theft :- Theft of body and mind is avoided. Theft of mind means when you do some bad act behind the curtain, i.e. in aloofness so as there is no witness to your act, like act of adulteration etc. To conceal other man's articles is theft of body. 4. Brahmcharya :- Celibacy is an essential requirement for the spiritual journey. It is like fuel of the body, which must be preserved. Married persons should be faithful to each other observing moderation. 5. Patience :-Do not feel agitated over trifles. Patience brings power- Saints must have patience in abundance. 6. Forgiveness :- When you have the strength to harm somebody, but you forgive him and don't harm him, you are on the right path. 7. Mercy :- Mercy is a must for meditation. Those who -- animals for palate, cannot imbibe mercy. You -- today and you will be killed tomorrow. That is the Divine law. 8. Tender Heart :- Be of tender heart, and do not be stone-hearted or a hypocrit e. Don't indulge in rebukes and slander. Always speak softly, politely and truthfully. 9. Self-discipline :- Eat less and feel contented. Follow the dictum of the Guru :- "Eat moderately, sleep less, show mercy and forgiveness and love your prime possession, the real self. (Guru Gobind Singh) There are three kinds of food that we eat viz. pertaining to i) tamoguna (ii) rajasguna (iii) satoguna 'tamas' food, includes intake of meat, fish, wine eggs etc. This food brings laziness to the man. He is likely to turn away from God and his God-consciousness is diminished. In 'rajas' is included pertaining of spicy and rich food for the sake of palate only. Heavy and rich food leads to numerous diseases.' Eat a bit less than your requirement. 'Satoguna' food includes partaking of vegetables, milk, curd, butter and cereals etc. 10. It means purity of mind, purity of body, purity of speech, purity of clothes, and purity of thought. These are ten 'yam' principles THE TEN NIYAM (RULES) 1. Penances and devotion :- Yoke yourself to the service of humanity. Service is of three kinds ie. pertaining to rajas guna, tamas guna and sats guna. The service of Guru is at the top of all the Penances. 2. Charity :- Charity is also of three types - rajas, tamas and sats charity. In tamas, one gives away something in charity under duress and in anger and at inappropriate time which may result in sin. In rajas, one distributes alms to earn glorification. While in sats guna, one gives away in all humility with a faith in the fact that everything is gift of God. This kind of generosity is rewarded. 3. Contentment :- There cannot be full satisfaction without contentment. Unless there is contentment, the mind writhing in desire wanders in wilderness. 4. Theistic intellect means a staunch believer in Guru's teachings. 5. Worship :- Worship of the Guru. It should not be external and ceremonial only, but with all the mind and soul accepting Guru as embodiment of God. 6. Faith in the shabad of Guru. If you have faith in Gurbani, you will be rewarded. If you sit quietly with closed eyes, but you don't have faith in Gurbani, it is of no avail. Have full faith in Gurbani. 7. Abide by teachings of Gurbani. Mould your life accordingly. Don't go against the tenets of Gurbani. 8. Peaceful Mind :- Let anger not disturb your mind at all, even when provoked by somebody. Keep cool and have perseverance. 9. Nitnem :- Keep regularity in you daily prayers, meditation and recitation of Gurbani. 10. Brahm-hom means feeding the hungry Hom implies burning of 'I' and I-am-ness, effacing ego of every type. Inviting Saints and Gursikhs for partaking food is known as Brahm-hom. These are two disciplines - Yam and Niyam and third is 'Asan'. Asan :- Find out quite place, where there is no noise, and where one can sit comfortably without any disturbance. Make a seat (asan) for meditation and use this 'asan' daily for prayers and meditation. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Kurbani Tinaa Gursikhaa Bhaei Bhagat Gurpurab Kurandei Gurpurab tei Sabh Sangataa Nu Lakh Lakh Vadhaiiaa

Sant Baba Karam Singh Hoti Mardhan had 100 students. They all obtained brahm gian. One cannot meet God by merely thinking, no matter how much rational thinking they have. You are talking about people that have sacrificed everything for their Guru. 'Jinaa Saas Giraas Na Visrei Har Naama Man Mant Dhan So Soi Nanaka Pooran Soi Sant' Those that do not forget God, even for one breath, recognize those blessed ones as true sants. Khalistani veerji has a good point, the gurbani line is 'Brahm Giani Ki Gat Brahm Giani Janei'. Just like 'Mannei Ki Gat Kahee Na Jai' - The gatee cannot be described of the person that has Manneiaa gurbani. It does not say 'Brahm Giani Nu Brahm Giani Janei.' If I have said anything that is opposed to gurbani, bhul chuk muaaf. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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