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  1. 7 points
    The Sikh pant? You mean this? You might consider learning how to spell before you come on here telling Sikhs that they don't know anything. Yeah, I'm sure you are furious that Sikhs believe that Guru Nanak ji is higher than your beloved Prophet Mohammed. So touchy about being asked which religion, are we? I don't belong to any branch of the RSS or any other anti-Sikh organization for that matter. If you're not a sheep, you must be weasel since you're not willing to identify which of the 72 mazhabs of the Ummah you belong to. I'm not the one who made this statement originally, but I don't really see what the big deal is, either. He said "symbol". You should be able to understand that. It is often said that "ਪਾਪਾਂ ਦੀ ਬੇੜੀ ਭਰ ਕੇ ਡੁੱਬਦੀ ਹੈ" (oh, should I put that into Arabic script so you can read it, akh?). So the execution of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji represented the summit of evil by Aurangzeb, sometime after the decline of his empire began. It's not the 5 ਭਈਏ, you dolt! How dare you insult the Guru's beloved 5 Singhs in that way. In Sikhism, a major emphasis is put on humility. The point is that if God can humble Himself, man can also. This was also to cement the principle of rule by the 5. ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਰਿ ਚੋਜ ਵਿਡਾਣੈ। ਸੋ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੋਈ ਸਿਖ ਹੈ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਣੈ। ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧੩ ਪਉੜੀ ੧ ਪੰ. ੪ (Did they teach you how to read Gurmukhi in your RSS/jihadi training camp?) When, indeed. There is no such book as the "Surah Prakash Granth". Get your head out of the Koran for just a second so you can make a convincing show of being a Sikh. Oh, you mean your jihadi training camp never took you on a field trip to a Gurdwara before letting you loose? If they had, you'd know what it is. ਸੂਰਜ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ is the granth of which ਕਥਾ is done every evening in every large gurdwara in the world.
  2. 6 points
    If we perceive this from the traditional Santaan school of thought, then of course this aphorism seems self-contradictory. Gurmat, though, differs from Sanataan Mat in that that it perceives attachment to the world to be false rather than the world (creation) itself. Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh reminds the Khalsa that Sri Akal Purakh Vaheguru is embedded in the very microcosms of their creation and will ultimately triumph over all man-made institutes/ hegemonies. The Khalsa, according to Jagjit Singh ("Percussions of History," "In the Caravan of Revolutions") is the climax of Sikh mysticism in all fields. Upon it's manifestation, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji bequeathed it with the slogan of "Vahguru Ji Ka Khalsa; Vahguru Ji Ki Fateh."If translated, this means: "The Khalsa belongs to God; triumph belongs to God." The slogan invokes dual emotions in Sikhs. The first emotion is that of optimism as the Khalsa's cause is, essentially, God's cause and will eventually succeed. The second is that of humility. Only via God's grace is triumph achieved and not through any personal efforts. Furthermore, the Khalsa being the only army of the Divine makes it perennial. It is universal in character, ubiquitous in disposition and fundamentally humanistic in approach; as such it belongs to no one nation, community or era.
  3. 6 points
    Well then why not learn Arabic while you're at it as well. I'll argue that Punjabi has more words borrowed from Arabic than Farsi, words like haq, rabb, dunya, sawaal, jawaab, kitaab, quam, insan, mushkil, mubarakan, maut, qanun, ijat, barkat, shukr, mujrim, qursi - these are just a few of the many that I recall. What I'm trying to get at it is that just because we have borrowed words from other languages, which is a very commonly seen phenomenon in linguistics and is referred to as loanwords, doesn't mean our language has roots in the language borrowed from. Punjabi and Punjabis have no roots in Farsi or Arabic, so I don't know why some of our own claim that. If anything Punjabi has roots in Sanskrit, but it is an apabrahmsha meaning a corrupted version of Sanskrit - like all present day Indo-Aryan languages. You're right in saying that when Sikhs had the chance to spread Punjabi/Gurmukhi, we didn't, and that was our biggest mistake. Honestly, we could have been like the Arabs, we could have spread our culture and language to the ends of South Asia, but unfortunately due to poor leaders we failed to do so. And I reiterate again, learning a new language is a great intellectual pursuit and everyone should take part, but don't suggest that it is imperative that Sikhs learn Farsi or Arabic because we have roots in those languages, that’s simply not true.
  4. 6 points
    So your basing all Hindu and Hindu- Sikh marriages about this this incident and your personal experience living in Mumbai which is the home of RSS/Hindvita (or whatever they are called ). Let me turn this around into a positive view against your negative view based on my experience. My uncle who is from Hindu background (Hindu Bharmin) married a Sikh women (arrange marriage) a few years later my Uncle become Amritdhari Sikh, His son and daughter are both Amritdhari Sikh,and proudly wear a dastar. There a few Hindu-Sikh marriages in my family which are going well One could say that if person visit a Gudwara and bows down to the Sri guru Granth Shaib they are Sikh no matter what there surname or religious background is. I dot not consider myself a non Sikh even thou by name I am Hindu Bharmin but my beliefs and culture is more inline with Sikhs. Even thou I am not fully religious I know more about Sikhism then the average Sikh. Do i think its right for me to marry a Sikhg Girl ? yes because of knowledge of Sikhi and my beliefs towards Sikhisim (like i said before i do not consider myself a non Sikh.) I would want my kids to follow and learn more about Sikhism and Punjabi culture. I would more likely have more trouble marrying a strict Hindu as they disagree with my religious views etc, Now they are Sikhs who are just Sikhs by Name. The smoke weed, get intoxicated know nothing about Sikhi. they are like "yo blood I am Sikh yo look at my blinked out Khanda neckless Jatt for for life you get me fam " these kind of Sikhs are more problem and danger to Sikhi and could ruin sikh families. However where I do agree your point against marrying a Hindu if the Hindu family has no knowledge of Sikhi, never been to Gudwara, unwilling to bow down to Sri Guru Granth Shaib and would want to convert there wife/Husband to Hinduism. Name means nothing its whats in the heart that counts . Just look at Bhai Mati Das for an example.
  5. 5 points
    Why shouldn’t Sikhs set aside Farsi? It serves us no purpose. As a community, we have no need for Farsi at all. Sure, as an individual, you can learn Farsi for your personal interest, but don’t go on with the community having to give some importance to Farsi. As for the writings of Bhai Nand Lal Ji, well he was born in Afghanistan, where they spoke and still speak a dialect of Farsi, and so he was taught that language from an early age and it was the language spoken around him, thus he began to write poetry in that language from an early age. As for the Zafarnama, well let’s not forget that Guru Gobind Singh Ji wrote it to address Aurangzeb, a Mughal Emperor, who spoke Farsi, the official language of the Mughal Empire. So I don’t see it as a surprise that he would compose it in Farsi. And one doesn’t need to learn a whole new language such as Farsi to understand the Zafarnama, there are Punjabi translations of it. You know I don’t want to sound like a right-winger but we should actually attempt to remove Arabic/Persian words from our language, and replace them with Sanskrit. I say this because the nature in which the Perso-Arabic influence entered Punjabi is not a pleasant one. And I say Sanskrit because it was the language of our ancestors, it’s as dear to us as is Punjabi. In fact, Punjabi is the closest apabrahmsha to Ancient Sanskrit, even more so than Hindi. When the Arabs forced Islam and Arabic onto the Persians, they resisted and cleansed their language of all Arabic influence. They even replaced religious terminology such as Allah with Khudah, salah with namaz, ramadan wth ramzan, as to preserve their language and self-respect. We could learn a thing or two from them, of course I’m not saying that we should go back and change Gurbani, that’s a dire no, but we can remove infleunces from our lexicon today. No Punjabi, no matter what their caste, no matter how they look is ethnically Persian. We do not share a significant genetic overlap with Persians to consider ourselves ethnically similar. They cluster with Caucus/West Asians and we with Central/South Asians. And here is where inferiority shows, why not be proud and accept your own ethnicity. A Punjabi is a Punjabi and just that, why draw similarities to other ethnic groups when such similarities do not exist. And just as a side note, the Vedic Aryans (our ancestors) and the Iranic Aryans (Iranians) were not exactly friendly, they were in fact dire enemies that demonized each other. A whole war and exodus was waged, which is described in the Rig Ved.
  6. 5 points
    Khalsa college was founded by the manager of Sri Nankana Sahib management committee in the mid-1930s mainly as a college where the lower castes that Dr Ambedkar had promised would convert to Sikhism would be taught. We need to beware when accepting the anti-Akali dal trope that the Akalis or Jat leaders refused to admit Dr Ambedkar to Sikhi. This is a lie that has gained currency especially after 1984 as a way of showing that the Akali Dal has never had the best interests of the Sikhs. Dr Ambedkar did show an inclination to become a Sikh and it was because of this that Sardar Narain Singh the manager of the Sri Nankana Sahib estate management committee was chosen to go to Bombay and set up a college for the lower caste converts. If the Akalis really did not have lower caste Sikhs then why did they set up missionary centres to convert low caste Hindus to Sikhism in places like Hapur, Aligarh and even places in the south such as Mysore? The SGPC even set up a printing press in Bombay ostensibly for the use of Dr Ambedkar to print his newspaper and books. It goes to the credit of Dr Ambedkar that he returned all the money spent on the printing press when he did not convert to Sikhism. There might be other reasons for why he did not convert to Sikhism but to blame the SGPC or Akali Dal or 'Jats' is clearly false. With regard to Sikhism being hijacked by Jats that is not the case at all. Do Jats place Bhagat Dhanna Jat as a Guru equivalent to the Gurus as some others castes have done lately with Bhagats of their background? That would be hijacking a religion. Has any Jat Sikh ever expressed disappointment that none of the Gurus belonged to a Jat background? The fact is that Sikhs from a Jat background are majority of Sikhs and hence they control most of the institutions of the Panth which is natural given that we use democratic means to select our leaders. If the Jat Sikhs were say, 2% of the Sikh population and they had the influence and leadership positions they have now ( just as Brahmins have in Hindusm) then it would fair to say that they have hijacked Sikhism. In places like Delhi where the number of Jat Sikhs among the Sikh population are miniscule there are no Jat Sikhs in leadership positions.
  7. 5 points
    I think if you want to learn Farsi on your own, that's great because learning another language is always fine and all. But what need do we have of Farsi, what need does it fulfill for our community? The Persians don't feel any affinity towards Punjabis, they aren't learning Punjabi as a community, so why should we be? I think our quam has more worrisome things to tackle than reviving Farsi. We need to revive Gurmukhi and Punjabi among our community, because most of our youth does not know it. I don't mean to be offensive, but I disagree with your comment. As for your DNA results, great that you got them done. I also took a DNA test through 23andme last year and I got similar results, most Punjabis do. Apart from the curiosity of where my ancestors are from, it also warns you of potential genetic diseases, which I thought was beneficial. We need more Punjabis to take these DNA tests as it improves data and puts an impetus on the researchers to focus research on our people. As for the Persian origin, I was told that it's most likely that both Punjabis and Persians belonged to one Aryan tribe that later on split up into the Iranic people and the Indic people. This claim is supported by the Rig Ved. Our people, the Indic Aryans then mixed with the Dravidians to produce the Indo-Aryans of today, and thats why we still share a genetic link with Persians but do not have similar genes due to mutations and mixing.
  8. 5 points
    Thanks! I agree with your post. Brahmins do give it large and people get the impression they're religious when many of them, infact, aren't particularly Dharmi bande - a few are good at keeing sucham so I'll give them that much. You're right that in the U.K it's not as bad but there is still plenty of caste discrimination from them. As for Punjabi Hindus attending the Gurdwara, it's true many do attend and probably do feel more comfortable there, I've come across some who are basically Sikh - just as you have people who are Sikh in name but Hindu, you have people who are Hindu in name but Sikh (ironically some Sikhs would never accept them but are happy to push others out into the Hindu camp if they get even the slightest whiff of something Sanatan coming their way). And it's not just Punjabi Hindus who go to the Gurdwara - where I live pleny of Gujarati Hindus also attend, not just for the langar either, and some have been attending for years. I actually think there would be quite a few Hindus who would genuinely be interested in Sikhi but sadly there is no prachaar directed towards them - I think if we could manage something similar to how Sikhs work with Swami Parmanand Ji, we could defo appeal to more Hindus. As someone who was raised a Brahmin, what would you suggest as a way to bring them into the Sikh fold?
  9. 4 points
    I understood the hindus came back to him with an offer of low and backward caste quotas for jobs and education if he did not convert his followers to sikhi...
  10. 4 points
    What you tend to find with any group that like to boast about themselves. Is that the louder someone shouts the more insecure he is inside. Thats why foxes, dogs and hyensas bark alot and make a scene to try and scare or imtimidate. But A lion just does one growl and shows them who is the boss. The moral of the story is confidence is quiet insecurity is loud. This is not directed at all jatts but only those that boast and try and put others down.
  11. 4 points
    Though Ajnala has done immense Seva for the Panth so has Daddrianvale but Ajnala is too narrow minded and only promotes division on the basis of jathebandia
  12. 4 points
    I can understand your concern due to you experience and the rapid rise of RSS/Shiv Sena whom do not represent all Hindu's I see them nothing more then government sponsored terrorist organisation. Sadly the city in you live in Mumbai is full of RSS/Shiv sena supports who believe in Hindu supremacy. you are right every religion has its right to define themselves and other faiths cannot define your religion and belief system for you.
  13. 4 points
    It was about 20 years ago. I do agree that Both Bharmin and Jatts think they are superior then then rest and would marry within there own cast to keep hold of there linkage which is wrong as feel the cast system has no place in today society. The biggest flaw in Hinduism is the cast system. why should person cast dictate from birth till death what value they hold in society .Were all born as mortal Human's are action in are waking life define who we are and not the cast. system If your born a Bahrmins that does not your autonomically make you self righteous,powerful and closer to god then say someone who is of a lower cast which sadly many still Brahmins think they do. I have know some Bhramin's who will not eat a a lower cast person house. its totally wrong. There are certain temples in India were lower cast cant enter which is BS as we know god does not discriminate. in The UK i feel its not as bad but some Brahmins in the UK can come across as arrogant and would be totally against inter-cast marriage. I hate these kind of Brahmins. The Punjabi Hindu's I have across irrespective of there cast have more respect towards Sikhism and feel more comfortable attending there local Gudawara. I dont think there is thing as Sikh Brahmin ?
  14. 4 points
    While Guru gobind singh ji said “main hoon param purakh ko dasa dekhan aayo jagat tamasha” , “Jo humko parmeswar uchare te sab narak kund main parhe” "Those who call me God, will fall into the deep pit of hell. Regard me as one of his slaves and have no doubt whatever about it. I am a servant of the Supreme Being; and have come to behold the wonderful drama of life." He led by example, sacrificed his father(hind ki chadar Guru tegh bahadur saheb ji), his four sons, his anandpur, everything he had)
  15. 4 points
    quresh tribe had gods and goddesses religion with idols of said Gods in kaa-ba - Moon was worshipped thus the crescent motif in Arabic countries...possible they were following form of Hinduism or some Babylonian pantheon
  16. 3 points
    if jatts are so evil, why are non-jatts embracing cults with jatts as their gurus, eg Radha Soami and Sacha Sauda
  17. 3 points
    your way of writing suggests your intelligence level ! Write in a way in which other people treat you seriously
  18. 3 points
    look veer ji sikhi will never fail , just dodgy babey whether they are from sant samaj , taksal, akj whereever , Waheguru ji will remove all the masks and gursikhs will see what's what , they will be become tighter with Guru ji
  19. 3 points
    It's not a complex language, bro. Arabic is a complex language. The grammar is complex. You have different forms for singular, plural, 3 or more people, whether they are present in front of you or not, etc. Pronunciation is difficult for us because there are sounds which we are not familiar with. There are fewer words with which we as Punjabis are familiar. Persian, by contrast, is arguably simpler than Punjabi, because, e.g., it doesn't have grammatical gender. The sounds are easier for us to pronounce (there are only a handful that don't exist in desi Punjabi, but they do exist in urban Punjabi or Urdu, so you've probably already heard the sounds). Many of the words also exist in Punjabi, so that means there's a foothold for us to hang on to while figuring out the meaning of a sentence. Learning Persian for us is like crossing a lake with a paddle-boat. Learning Arabic for us is like trying to cross the Pacific Ocean with a life jacket from the bottom of your airplane seat. Oh, and Arabic is a non-Indo-European language. Persian is Indo-European (like Punjabi, of course).
  20. 3 points
    fair enough , but it seems the more you read the more it unravels in a strange way, I mean they claim jinns were doing namaz alongside Mohammed , when at the same time jinns are supposed to be feared as evil /demonic . If this is the God of ABraham why is it not Yahweh instead of Allah which is the name of the head of the Quresh Pantheon unchanged (as indicated in the name of MOhammed father). Anyway the dualistic model is not ours
  21. 3 points
    strange then how he mentions the daughters of allah - 3 minor goddesses of the quesh pantheon taken from quora : Pre-Islamic Mecca was a hotbed of paganism and polytheism. It is said 360 idols surrounded the Ka'aba and were worshiped as gods. Thus, when Muhammad first began preaching monotheism and denouncing the other 359 gods, he was met with much resistance and hostility. In an attempt to appease the Meccans, buy some time and bring relief to his followers from hostility, Muhammad one night had a revelation found in Surah 53:19-22 which originally read and deduced as, "Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other; these are the exalted ones whose intercession (as muhammad prostrated along with other muslims,pagans and “jinns” after reciting the verse,{sahih 6,60,385}) is approved." Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were three female deities, known as daughters of Allah. By this revelation Muhammad acknowledged these deities as worthy of worship and whose intercession in heaven was to be sought. Acknowledging these deities had the desired effect. Later (as it screwsup the tribal israeli yahwist concept of monotheism ), the angel Gabriel chastised Muhammad for uttering these verses and informed him that Satan, not Allah, had put these words in Muhammad's mouth and they were” imaginary” beings idolized by earlier arabic gen(q 53:23). Thus, these verses are infamously known as the Satanic Verses ) (Quran22:51:53). (Sahih 006, 060, 385.)( al-Tabari Vol. 6 p107–109)
  22. 3 points
    Article doesn't say that either one of them is Canadian. It says they both were studying together most probably foreign students.
  23. 3 points
    That was one the worst tracks around at that time. btw those guys in the Video are Pakistani Punjabi.
  24. 3 points
    To think BoS were trying to appease them at one point was cringewothy, it's not like they are at an embryonic stage as an organisation where convincing might change their minds, they are a money and power hungry mega structure & beyond saving.
  25. 3 points
    It doesn't, that's not why I took the test. I did it out of sheer curiosity, it's human nature to want to know your origins, and kade kade shaunk vi pura karna penda ah, no? It's had absolutely no impact on my life and it's not gonna. If the scientific side has no significance to you, then just see it as a bit of fun. And no where in my post indicates I have an inflated ego brother, did you not read the Jatt joke? If any anything I put my results here in opposition to those who act elitist - infact some people I've mentioned the test to are scared to even entertain the idea of taking it, they're so fragile. We are who we are and obviously it's not going to change.
  26. 3 points
    Things like Football camps maybe even a national Gudawara football league with Gudawara's across the country competing against each other would be great idea. From there you could set up self-defence classes (the art of Gatka) Punjabi reading and writing sessions. lots can be done. Also I feel its a good idea to send our kids to Sikh schools such as the Khalsa academy where the kids will learn about Sikhism form young age and hold the values and respect which we hold in our culture . The Khalsa academy welcomes all and teaches all the academic curriculum other comprehensive schools teach so its a win win situation. Start them off at young age i say. http://www.khalsaacademiestrust.com/
  27. 3 points
    I just read news that the Indian film industry is making a film on the Battle of Saragarhi, called Kesari, and was surprised to know that it has a female lead. I hope they don't turn this into a silly love story. DNA India - Parineeti Chopra to play female lead in Akshay Kumar's Kesari.
  28. 3 points
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41780116 Guess a referendum does work after all.
  29. 3 points
  30. 2 points
    ek mittee kee moortiyaan banaane vaala (kumhaar) eeshvar se kahata hai....._ ⚘_"he prabhu too bhee ek kalaakaar hai aur main bhee ek kalaakaar hoon,_ ⚘_toone mujh jaise asankhy putale banaakar is dharatee par bheje hain,_ ⚘_aur mainne tere asankhy putale bana kar is gharatee par beche hain._ ⚘_par eeshvar us samay badee sharm aatee hai, jab tere banaaye hue putale aapas mein ladate hain_, ⚘_aur mere banaaye hue putalon ke saamane log sheesh jhukaate hain"_.. 🙏🙏 *dhyaan se padhe kitana bada sach hai.*
  31. 2 points
    एक मिट्टी की मूर्तियां बनाने वाला (कुम्हार) ईश्वर से कहता है....._ ⚘_"हे प्रभु तू भी एक कलाकार है और मैं भी एक कलाकार हूँ,_ ⚘_तूने मुझ जैसे असंख्य पुतले बनाकर इस धरती पर भेजे हैं,_ ⚘_और मैंने तेरे असंख्य पुतले बना कर इस घरती पर बेचे हैं।_ ⚘_पर ईश्वर उस समय बड़ी शर्म आती है, जब तेरे बनाये हुए पुतले आपस में लड़ते हैं_, ⚘_और मेरे बनाये हुए पुतलों के सामने लोग शीश झुकाते हैं"_.. 🙏🙏 *ध्यान से पढ़े कितना बड़ा सच है.*
  32. 2 points
    A tuchh wadeeayee of Beant Wahiguru Akal Purukh For endless ages, there was only utter darkness. There was no Earth or sky; there was only His Command. There was no day or night, no Moon or Sun; God sat in primal and profound meditative position. There were no sources of speech or food, no air or water. There was no creation or destruction, no birth or death. There were no continents, regions, seven oceans, rivers or flowing water. There were no heavenly realms, Earth or nether regions of the underworld. There was no destruction or time. There was no hell or heaven, no birth or death, no cycle of reincarnation. There was no Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva. No one was seen, except the One Lord. There was no female or male, no social class or caste to be born into; no one experienced pain or pleasure. There were no people of celibacy or charity; no one lived in the forests. There were no saints or seekers of living in peace. There were no yogis, no wandering pilgrims, no religious robes; no one called himself the master. There was no chanting or meditation, no self-discipline, fasting or worship. No one spoke or talked in duality. He Himself created and rejoiced; He Himself valued everything. There was no purification, no self-restraint, no rosary beads. There were no Gopis, no Krishna, no cows or cowherds. There were no tantras, no mantras and no hypocrisy; no one played the flute. There was no karma, no dharma, no buzzing fly of Maya. Social class and birth were not seen with any eyes. There was no emotional attachment, no death inscribed upon the forehead; no one meditated on anything. There was no slander, no seed, no soul and no life. There was no Gorakh and no Maachhindra. There was no spiritual wisdom or meditation, no ancestry or creation, no reckoning of accounts. There were no castes or social classes, no religious robes, no Brahmin or Kh'shaatriya. There were no demi-gods or temples, no cows or Gaayatri prayer. There were no burnt offerings, no ceremonial feasts, no cleansing rituals at sacred shrines of pilgrimage; no one worshipped in adoration. There were no Muslims, there was no Qazi. There was no Shaykh, or pilgrims to Mecca. There was no king and no worldly egotism; no one spoke of himself. There was no love or devotion, no Shiva, no energy or matter. There were no friends or companions, no semen or blood. He Himself has been the banker, and He Himself has been the merchant. There were no Vedas, Korans or Bibles, no Simritees or Shaastras. There was no recitation of the Puraanas, no sunrise or sunset. The Unfathomable Lord Himself was the speaker and the preacher; the unseen Lord Himself saw everything. When He so willed, He created the world. Without any supporting power, He sustained the Universe. He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. He fostered enticement and attachment to Maya. Rare is the person who listens to the word of the Guru's Shabad. He created the creation, and watches over it; His command is over all. He formed the planets, solar systems, nether regions and brought what was hidden to manifestation. No one knows His limits. This understanding comes from the perfect Guru. O Nanak, those who are attuned to the Truth are wonderstruck; singing His glorious praises, they are filled with wonder (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 1035). He established the Earth, the sky and the air, the water of the oceans, fire and food. He created the Moon, the stars and the Sun, night and day and mountains; He blessed the trees with flowers and fruits. He created the demigods, human beings and the seven oceans; He established the three worlds (life in water, on land and in the air) (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 1399). Not the Sun, the Moon, the planets, the seven continents, the oceans, food, or the wind - nothing is permanent. You alone, Lord, You alone (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 144). In the heavenly paradise, in the nether regions of the underworld, on the planet Earth and throughout the galaxies, the One Lord is pervading everywhere (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 207). There are billions of regions and planets. There are billions of moons, suns and stars (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 275). Many millions are the fields of creation and galaxies. Many millions are the skies and solar systems. Many millions are divine incarnations. He has unfolded Himself in so many ways. He has expanded His expansion of creation many times. Forever and ever, He is the One, the One Universal Creator. Many millions are created in various forms. From God they emanate, and into God they merge once again. His limits are not known to anyone. O Nanak, God exists by Himself. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 276). He created the Sun and the Moon; night and day, they move according to His Will (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 580). Only call the One permanent (immortal), who does not have destiny inscribed upon His Forehead. The Sky and the Earth will pass away; He alone is permanent. The day and the Sun will pass away; the night and the Moon will pass away; the hundreds of thousands of stars will disappear. He alone is permanent; Nanak speaks the truth (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 64). There are planets, solar systems and galaxies. If one speaks of them, there is no limit, no end. There are worlds upon worlds of His creation. As He commands, so they exist. He watches over all, and contemplating the creation, He rejoices. Nanak says, it is really hard to describe (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 8). You Yourself created the Earth and the two lamps: the Sun and the Moon (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 83). Sat Sree Akal.
  33. 2 points
    The difference in being a devotee or a manmukh Once there were two friends, one was a god oriented devotee, and the other one, was a manmukh. Their friendship was deep, but the devotee believed in god, while the manmukh did not. The devotee would wake up early in the morning, take a bath and recite the holy hymns, while the manmukh would still be in bed sound asleep. Once they were traveling through a forest. As they were passing through the forest, the manmukh found a bag of coal. He was very happy, because he could sell it and make some money. As they further walked while talking about how lucky the manmukh was to find the bag of coal, the devotee screamed with pain. It appeared that a splinter went in the devotee´s foot. While he was in pain, the manmukh started laughing. The devotee was surprised, and asked him why was he laughing? The manmukh said, “You have been worshipping God everyday and what you got as a result, is a splinter in your foot. While I have never worshipped God and I still got a bag full of coal.” An old wise man happened to be passing by when he heard manmukh’s comments. The old man had a big ironic smile on his face. The manmukh was astonished, when he saw the old man smile. So the manmukh asked the old man about the reason for his smile. The old man replied, “You are naïve. You do not worship God. You were destined to find a bag of diamonds today if you have been worshipping God. And you bhagat devotee, you were destined to die at the moment you got the splinter in your foot. But because you have been worshipping God, the pain of death, simply turned into a splinter.”
  34. 2 points
    1. he was within his reasonable expectations as he had made a previous uneventful visit besides knowing his citizenship offered some protections theoretically. We have the right to visit our itihaasic Gurdwarey , to see extended family this isn't zakhirya Khan's time despite what RSS believes they are. Then sikhs came out of the jungles and showed that they would live on their own terms and die the same . Death is a certainty , the only choice is :die fighting on your feet or cowering on your knees. As for your bogus statements about western activists not going into the lion's mouth to support humanity suffering oppression you are so wrong : Andy Hall sitting in a thai jail , with serious cases being thrown at him because he exposed the human rights abuses of the thai pineapple industry, Cynthia KeppleyMahmood who was gangraped by the forces and her life threatened for daring to bring the truths of the sikhs to the world , our own Jaswant SIngh khalra was just a bank manager but he found the truth and brought it to the world then went back to his home from Canada even though he knew he may not survive - DO NOT dismiss people who are willing to pay the price in full. Black lists for Diaspora sikhs as they are the ones the GOI can't get hold of easily. 2) Tan and Preet can only work within the law , you can see what happens when you work for another govt - bye bye Priti Patel GOI chamcchi. You sound like these people who think they are entitled to cuss these folks down > https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4935980/sikh-mp-is-abused-by-web-trolls-who-think-he-should-only-campaign-on-sikh-issues/ 3) Citizen's arrests are for use ONLY in the situation where a crime is actually actively being carried out , to hold the person until police get there . NOT for historic stuff, or crimes external to the country . It would get you put in prison for kidnap if you did try it in the wrong situation . Here have a read: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/aug/09/guide-to-citizens-arrest you can awaken the sleeping by much more effective means than a publicity stunt that could backfire amazingly and spoil young sikh men's lives before they did anything 4. nazanin is not a spy that was the charge the Iranian authorities she was a charity worker visiting her bheke with her baby daughter. Who got grabbed to be used as a pawn in a tug of war over defaulted tank sales : https://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions/help-get-nazanin-home-iran-prisoner-british-mother?utm_source=Paid+Facebook&utm_medium=Digital&utm_campaign=MAEN409&utm_content=NazaninKamal-Action https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4915082/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-iran-release-demands/
  35. 2 points
    You said brahmins have created the current reservation order in india ! Infact brahmans despise it the most ! Because the current reservation policy is totally against upper castes, including brahmans . Let us first admit we have failed . I don't want to beat dead our community over this but considering how good sikhi is in theory but still lagging a little behind in practice. Although we still have good elements like langar , open gurudwaras for all and so on . We just need to move a little further . Thanks
  36. 2 points
    I consider myself sikh only. If you insist on knowing my "caste", we're kumiyar (potters). But it doesn't matter me anyways because our guru disregards such things . I don't believe in caste things . Don't know what suggested you otherwise. i am also against swinging the pendulum far other side and becoming jatt-phobic . Let us all become a casteless society. It would be biggest legacy for our gurus.
  37. 2 points
    1) Yes It's strange because he is not mr average joe british punjabi going for a holiday. I am fully supportive of his earliest release by the authorities in punjab. However to me this case is abnormal as for a british born guy who is against the Indian establishment by highlighting their crimes online to the world then wonders off to the same country on holiday that does not acknowledge the horrible genocidal crimes it committed against his community nor jails those responsible but gives them high govermental posts and z+ commando secutity. You think India has civilized? their drunkard uncivilized police is not using torture against their own and foreign civilians? not corrupt? I certainly wouldn't take the risk going to India unless I was there to help bring down the corrupt regime that's for sure. Why dont you see activists in the west like those who campaign against human rights abuses go to countries such as saudi, china, etc? because they would be tortured and/or killed by the corrupt brutal evil regimes. So I'm guessing he knew the risks but just got unlucky cos India does have a pretty top of the range cyber intelligence monitoring facilities, they have started to oppress, raid and jail those citizens who raise their voices against state corruption and state terrorism by india.. its strange he didnt think Indian authorities would not be keen to pick people like him up. He is lucky he is Britsh and Sikhs in the west will raise their voice for him and tarnish India's image aboard and harm india's national interests too if need be. Why you think a black lists exists against Sikhs born in India? As they actively campaign against Indian establishment for their terrorism against Sikh civilians. Why do you think they never go back to India? come on use your brain... 2) Tan Dhesi MP can only do so much for Sikh causes his primary objective is to cater for his constituents who elected him either way he is a visible symbol of a British born Sikh in the houses of parliament and he must recognise he represents the interests of the British Sikh population who look to him aswell as Preet Kaur MP to raise their voices for their fellow Sikh being held unjustifiably by the Indian authorities. Just as Muslim MP's fight for causes for their religious community as do Jewish MP's for Israels' interests and as do Hindu MP's for India's interests. Sikh MP's should actively fight for self determination of a Sikh homeland, highlight human rights abuses against Sikhs aboard and aswell as deal with issues and concerns of their constituents. 3) And no you grow up. There is a such a thing as doing a citizens arrest against known criminals. If British Sikhs are so passionate about protesting let them take direct action in arresting these dodgy Indian officials when they visit the UK to serve as a deterrent against Sikhs being killed or detained in india for dodgy grounds or anti-human rights reasons. Sometimes you gotta take a stand on an issue you care passionately about. If you remember the case of gay human rights activist peter thatchill he tried to make a citizens arrest of zimbabawe president robert mugabe when he visited the UK he failed to do that but it highlighted in the media further the crimes of mugabe . If even 100 Sikhs did the same the next time a high ranking India official came to visit the UK there will be a mini riot and it will radicalise a whole generation of sleeping well integrated and law abiding british Sikhs against injustices of any state that physically attacks them (which the govt can ill afford) Nothing in life is given to you on a plate you have to fight for it and ensure you keep fighting to maintain your human rights and equal treatment in society. 4) And lastly Nazanin is a british Spy working for MI6 and she is married to a fellow officer. UK foreign secretary Boris johnson MP the goof, let the cat out of the bag when he told the parliamentary committee she was training iranians how to be journalists, he wouldn't have said such a specific thing if it wasnt true and he wasn't briefed about it by intelligence officers. And if you know anything about foreign intelligence gathering you'd know must foreign spies work under cover as journalists and in NGO's to give a free pass in accessing area's or influencing populations of their enemy/rivals. So come on time to wake up and come into the real world, what you see on the news is only half the story. The true full story they never want to reveal openly cos it could harm their governments national and economic interests.
  38. 2 points
    " SABR " I’ve always wondered what SABR (Patience ) is I was never given a proper definition so my concept of it was somewhat distorted; All I understood was that you wait until it’s over. But now, if I were to put it into words, this is what I’ve gathered so far: SÂBR is suppressing that angry voice in your head, the one that wants to yell at people for being inconsiderate to your struggle. SÂBR is swallowing this voice, overcoming it and learning to channel it towards a heartfelt du'a instead. SÂBR is forgiving someone when they dismiss your feelings. SÂBR is meeting those who deserted you, with a smile on your lips, even though your tears are one step away from exposing you. SÂBR is staying silent because you’ve already stated your point too many times before. SÂBR is conforming to someone’s demand because of their right over you. SÂBR is fulfilling the rights of others even when they transgress against yours. SÂBR is crying about your heartache in front of God and no one else. SÂBR is believing wholeheartedly that God has beautiful things in store for you. SÂBR is crawling forward even when you want to stop. SÂBR is an active state of being, it is not a theory to simply be discussed and forgotten.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  39. 2 points
    vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh prayers of both faiths? Did you have an interfaith byah? vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh
  40. 2 points
    Never denied that wasn't an empire. However, I think that there is a degree of overlap between cultures. I think some of us Sikhs like to disclaim so much of our Hindu heritage/ancestry that now we are claiming to be Persians Vedic hindu culture and some ancient Persian culture (like Zorastrianism ) have a lot in common. It is more likely many thousands of years ago, we were all the same stock of people but we have diverged since. History is a lot more murkier and complex than we like to admit.
  41. 2 points
    The cradle of where humans came from is in east africa. If there is such a thing as adam and eve area. We evolved here from. Infact the very first life on earth was fish and insects. Over millions of years we evolvee in the human form from fish and othe animals forms. Today we most resemble our ape like ancesstors. However we did not ditectly evolve from apes. But we shared a common ancesstor. All this is actually written in our holy sciptures. Such as reincarnation and how we have escaped the endless rebirth from animals/insects to man. Long before scientist discovered this through evolotion.
  42. 2 points
    These people just want themselves to look superior. They used Bhai Jagraj Singhs death as a way to force their beliefs on to other people. They want people to believe that Jagraj Singh died because he spoke against Halal meat. So they use like one random clip to ruin his reputation and create a conflict. They feel threatened thats why. Even at speakers corner they just act like they are in some competition and get like 4 other guys to help them out against 1 sikh. They want to always prove that they are right and that they can never be wrong. They believe that the quality of their religion is proven by the quantity of followers that they have.
  43. 2 points
    Before any of us engages further with you, you need to state what you claim to be: Muslim, Christian, Hindu, atheist, or whatever? Then we can have a conversation on that basis.
  44. 2 points
    Well, Sikhs don't merely believe Gurus had God's jot, but that they are (present tense) God. And also that the Gurus were not a roop of God like the avatars were (like Ram, Krishan). Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindrawale states quite clearly that Sri Ram had 16 powers, but the powers of Guru Nanak Dev ji are limitless.
  45. 2 points
    sorry to burst your bubble but such tests are mostly hyped https://www.livescience.com/7384-genetic-ancestry-tests-hype-scientists.html
  46. 2 points
    Oye saala. I took mine with MyHeritage. There's quite a few companies which do it but no point wasting money on the more expensive generic ones. Once you get your results make sure you use GEDmatch after for better results - it's free. https://www.myheritage.com/login?destination_url=https%3A%2F%2F
  47. 2 points
    There is nothing holy about 3ho. They are an oppressive cult who has aligned with a government who committed genocide.
  48. 2 points
    your talking about mauli?yes Its Hindu traditional thread for blessing but these days is seen fashion item and people exchange Mauli on friendship day. I have even seen white folks with Mauli. I dont think its case of following Hindu's As for Celebrating other religions festive again I dont see the harm in that. I celebrate Christmas (not in the traditional sense) but i family dinner, xmas tree etc. That does not make me a Christian. its just an chance to celebrate and be happy (which the world needs more of ) Now if you are forced to celebrate like @jkvlondon family members were that not a different matter and totally wrong.
  49. 2 points
    I know many Hindu's in the UK that eat beef. The are down Mcdonalds ordering big mac's etc LOL I dont eat beef as I dont like it. (my parents clearly forbid me thou lol) I only really eat chicken. I dont think it actually written rule in Hinduism that you cannot eat beef. I think meat is forbidden but then again Lord Ram would hunt and eat Deer etc(not sure on that tho)
  50. 2 points
    This is all the more reason to help young vulnerable sikh's who feel lost. This girl was clearly lost wanted her faith to guide her but her parents ignored her , if he had found a place this this online etc she could have been given the guidance she needed and would have had stronger bound with her faith. When people are vulnerable and lost like this then its most easiest time for people to radicalize them.