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Brother TejS, indeed it is a beautiful question you have brought forward, though all the members above have given their valid answers , anyhow I would also like to share a bit from the wisdom of SGGS, which in my opinion answers the question in your post. Why are we here? That, only He can answer to our satisfaction, when we reach to Him, but for meanwhile, we are here caught in the cycle of transmigration, and we ought to find our way out. ਭਜਹੁ ਗਦ਼ਬਿੰਦ ਭੂਲਿ ਮਤ ਜਾਹੁ ॥ Bhajahu Guobindh Bhool Math Jaahu ਮਾਨਸ ਜਨਮ ਕਾ ਏਹੀ ਲਾਹੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Maanas Janam Kaa Eaehee Laahu || ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਜਰਾ ਰੋਗੁ ਨਹੀ ਆਇਆ ॥ Jab Lag Jaraa Rog Nehee Aaeiaa ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਕਾਲਿ ਗ੍ਰਸੀ ਨਹੀ ਕਾਇਆ ॥ Jab Lag Kaal Grasee Nehee Kaaeiaa || ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਬਿਕਲ ਭਈ ਨਹੀ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ Jab Lag Bikal Bhee Nehee Baanee || ਭਜਿ ਲੇਹਿ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਸਾਰਿਗਪਾਨੀ ॥੨॥ Bhaj Laehi Rae Man Saarigapaanee ||2|| ਅਬ ਨ ਭਜਸਿ ਭਜਸਿ ਕਬ ਭਾਈ ॥ Ab N Bhajas Bhajas Kab Bhaaee || ਆਵੈ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਭਜਿਆ ਜਾਈ ॥ Aavai Anth N Bhajiaa Jaaee || ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਅਬ ਸਾਰੁ ॥ Jo Kishh Karehi Soee Ab Saar ਫਿਰਿ ਪਛੁਤਾਹੁ ਨ ਪਾਵਹੁ ਪਾਰੁ ॥੩॥ Fir Pashhuthaahu N Paavahu Paar | ਸੋ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜੋ ਲਾਇਆ ਸੇਵ ॥ So Saevak Jo Laaeiaa Saev ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਪਾਏ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਦੇਵ ॥ Thin Hee Paaeae Niranjan Dhaev ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਤਾ ਕੇ ਖੁਲ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਕਪਾਟ ॥ Gur Mil Thaa Kae Khulhae Kapaatt || ਬਹੁਰਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਜੋਨੀ ਬਾਟ ॥੪॥ Bahur N Aavai Jonee Baatt ||4|| Sree Kabeer Jee, right from the first verse above, tells us about our purpose of being born as humans, other thing is, we waste it foolishly. Then in the last verse, he also, gives us clear instructions of how to get out of this maha maya bhavsagar. He says, devotedly meditate upon Him, and you shall never ever have to come into reincarnation. Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, also says: ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਗਰਭਿ ਨ ਬਸੈ Prabh Ka Simran, garb na baseh ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਦੂਖੁ ਜਮੁ ਨਸੈ ॥ Prabh Kai Simaran Dhookh Jam Nasai ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਕਾਲੁ ਪਰਹਰੈ ॥ Prabh Kai Simaran Kaal Pareharai || In these His three verses above from Sukhmani Sahib, He guarantees us, that if one meditates on Him, death, reincarnation and the very Kal, shall be defeated, and we shall get rid of them. Stay blessed. Sat Sree Akal.

It seems exciting In the start but when you have had a hard morning and aching legs and need to just sit down.. you realise you cant. You need to keep standing and prepare the whole meal which gets gobbled up In ten minutes without a word of thanks. No one offers to help coz they think they are old so should not lift a finger. However the mouth can be used liberally to point out all mistakes In the food.

On a scale of 1-10, exactly how thick are you?

Why is it that we have been placed in this cycle first of all? Was there a fall from grace similar to the Abrahamic religions? I'm curious to know if this is addressed within Sikhi?

Celibacy is allowed, there were many many great Mahapurkhs in the Panth who were Celibate (Baba Deep Singh Ji Shaheed for example), but the life of the householder is still optimal. You could (and imo should) find a Sikh groom for yourself, I'm sure there are plenty of connections who can help you out there. As for communities..well they're temporary, you'll find new ones and your family will in time learn to accept your choice as time heals all wounds. Just be strong and have faith in Maharaj, He's the master of both worlds and he will do what is right for you.

Thank you, for your kind, sweet words ??. Your mother will always be your mother and I couldnt be as good as her. I’m only giving my opinions and advise, to help. I also call my mother, mama sometimes too. You seem to know what to do and how to deal with it. You’re a good kid that uses knowledge and wisdom wisely, aswell as turning to Gurbani is a good role model for your siblings. May Waheguru keep you in Chardi Kala ???? PS: I forgot it’s Mother’s Day tomorrow, don’t forget to spend quality time with your mother.

I remember visiting my chacha and chachi and this is what they did to our family too. They brought a lot of discord in our family. Then years later, our family stuck together while theirs broke and they are divorced to this day. My grandma stayed with them all her life but the last four years of her life with us and only my chacha and one of his sons attended her funeral. My mum however did lits of sukhmani everyday without missing. This Iis what possibly saved us. There were rumours my chachi visited some pandits.

During my conspiracy nutjob phase (this came before my missionary phase, I am a very phased man) I found all sorts of ways to verify these sort of things. For a theoretical secret order within the Panth you'd have several ways of verifying it. 1) Current Brahmgyanis would be aware of it, as they are all knowing. 2) Guru Ji (if he did start one, again hypothetical, no way in hell do I know what Guru Ji thinks) could easily have given them signed documents which you could easily cross examine with the documentations of more public records where we can see Guru Ji's sign and seal. Plus there would be hints all through the history books, even Loh Prakash Granth is hinted at in Dasam Granth. 3) Most likely they'd be very spiritually powerful and spiritually high members, it wouldnt be far fetched that they could demonstrate some sort of spiritual awareness. This sorta allowed (based on what iv read) in situations where the true Believer is involved.

I'm not a freemason, but a close friend of mine is a past master of a lodge, they definitelty are involved in weird rituals. Not nefarious stuff but weird arti or whatever, not in sync with Gurbani. Mostly people join to enfranchise themselves and make business connections, like joining a fraternity. As far as secret Sikh societies I have no idea how you would find them or verify their secret info. I think other posters hit the mark by suggesting one join other humanitarian groups not steeped in mysticism. Gurbani is the best information out there.

You are not what you identify as, just as I cant just identify as an Apache Attack Helicopter as my gender. There is a reason why the Guru himself put the definition of a "Sikh" in Gurbani, the Guru also excommunicated people and no longer declared them his Sikhs, so your argument comes from a point of ego and is not inline with Gurbani or History.

so you are saying listening to your Guru ji nonstop without going for a break is nothing , that it has no value in sounding out those who have true bhao ?

Would you also object to something like the Lions Club? Unlike the Freemasons, the Lions don't use strange symbolism, their origins are not lost to the mists of time (Lions was created in 1916 in Illinois), they don't have secret handshakes or rituals, and they are meant just to be a social service organization, not a kind of substitute religion. To the OP, I would say, instead of asking why a Sikh should not join Freemasons, I would ask, what's the need to join it in the first place? Just do your social service as a part of your local Gurdwara, or maybe donate to societies (Khalsa Aid, Sevapanthies) that are doing good work. Or join a non-secret social service organization.

As far as I know the whole "initial" reason shouldn't exist in the first place, everything is Akaal and this is just a manifestation of his play, the whole "first sin" would only work if we as a creation were separate from the creator, but at the core we're not separate from Akaal .

Yes that’s good Gurbani is helping you. It has helped me too, although it is hard to not ignore what’s going on if they’re in front of you. You have your daughters to distract you from the negativity, so spend more time with them and teach them to listen to or recite Gurbani. This normal thought. It’s because you are not happy from inside. Your soul feels the love and loyalty of a marriage missing. God knows how many times I’ve been through the same thoughts, but then you just have to focus on the qualities of your marriage, rather than the negative points. Next time you get these thoughts, pause and take a deep breath. Think to yourself it’s just a thought and it will pass, it can’t harm you. Then focus on what’s around you, and divert your attention elsewhere. Imagine the thought flying away in a cloud. I think you should see a counsellor, it will help you. Same thing happens with me, but I just don’t have the energy to bother talking to them anymore. If I do, I know I’ll be given a mehna, insults along the line, so I just decided not too. I just don’t feel too and if I’m future I do, I’ll be more stronger to deal with it. But now I need to put my health first, as I’ve let them get to that too much. You have to understand some people have a habit of lieing. That’s weird, the same thing happened with me. Don’t know why they do it, must be some sort of insecurity or jealousy of not being as sincere as you. It maybe because you are doing everything right as a wife and mother and they are feeling that they may lose their son or brother or whatever. But that’s unlikely to happen as he’s always going to be theirs. They probably have painted a picture of you in their minds of you taking him away. But that’s so stupid, because on one hand they wanted him to get married abroad and on the other, they don’t want to see him happy with you. To be honest, I think it’s because you’re from another country and areca strong woman, that’s the barrier they’ve put in front to not like you. I don’t think it’s got anything to do with the way you are, it’s just pure jealousy, nothing else and them wanting what you have. I can imagine his brother or other relatives thinking like that, but don’t know why his father and mother would. It would be very silly and immature of them to not want you to be happy either. You also need to give him some space and not stop him from talking to them. After all they are his parents and family. It must be hard for him also to be in a different country away from his family who he grew up with. But now he has his own family he should also be taking responsibility. He won’t go, but maybe suggest some counselling for him also. Don’t answer him back, as that’s what he will be wanting to escalate it further. Just walk away from the argument into another room. Start listening to Gurbani or doing Simran, that will divert your attention. It’s good to let it out. I feel good too, that I’ve not been the only one going through the same. I’ll say it direct to you without the sweet talk . They married their son off in hope for a better life for themselves also . And there’s nothing wrong with that, but as long as there’s respect and love also, as you are their daughter in law after all and shouldn’t be treated as a stranger. Also the brother visiting, didn’t really come to see your husband as much as he says. It’s because, to make a good record for immigration, so next time he comes, he’ll stay for longer. They know all the schemes, that’s my opinion, I could be wrong but it’s more likely that’s the case. And also to show that they support him, he’s not alone, which I don’t see why they need to know. The way they’ve gone about it isn’t good, so it creates negativity towards them from you and they haven’t made it fair for your daughters either. But just say Waheguru, it is what it is and let them sort it out. You just carry on being a good wife and mother and ask for Guruji’s support. Don’t hate anybody from within and also don’t let others hurt your own soul.

Sweet Amrit Bani Shabad + melodious voice = His apaar beant Mahima

Sikh is not khalsa.. You can be a sikh without taking Amrit.. Furthermore the definition of a sikh as defined by rehit maryada has been defined by politicians.. I define myself as a sikh whether someone else thinks I am is irrelevant.. Just as their are many amritdhari people I have met who I feel don't espouse sikhi despite taking Amrit.. Mool mantar defines the essence of sikhi. Why do we need additional texts edited by politicians to tell us what it means

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh bhain ji , build up your family life include gurbani in the family life , the family that prays together stays together . Unfortunately your in-laws will be what they will be , you need to make sure your husband understands that he has your loyalty and expect him to treat you as his respected wife , an equal . He has no right to abuse or hit you for ANY reason look at 52 hukhams of Guru Gobind Singh ji . He slips back into his subservient kid mentality when they are around and it is your duty to make sure he realises that that change is no longer appropriate (I have had similar problems it gets better dutt ke reho te gurbani da asaraa leh levo)

To OP, sorry to hear what you’ve been going through. It’s similar to what I’ve been through, so I fully understand how you’re feeling. Your husband was wrong to change towards you. Only somebody that’s been through the same will understand how hard it is to please everybody and also defend yourself. I’ve finally put my foot down, when I have been taken advantage of too far. You could do everything perfectly or give them all the money in the world, but they still won’t appreciate you, if they don’t appreciate you for what you are now. You have two lovely daughters and you should be proud of that. You don’t have to take any nonsense from anybody. They should be grateful that you married their son and gave him citizenship. You don’t sound like the bad one in all of this. I think they’re just taking advantage for their own matlab. His parents should know better than to act like that towards their daughter in law. But unfortunately they play the victim and make out you’re the wrong one. Kaur 2 is right, don’t be rude back to them, but also make a stand that you will not be pressured or treated like that. If you were a daughter in law from India, would they treat you the same? No they wouldn’t, so why you? Make it clear you are from this country and have given respect where it’s due and done everything you could for them. Don’t let them walk over you. Your mother in law saying she won’t visit again, then good riddance. I know it sounds harsh, but there’s only one of you and there’s 3 or more of them, so it’s hardly fair. And if they can’t be bothered with your daughters either, it shows they are only interested in boys. You need to work on your relationship with your husband, because it sounds like they want you to break up for their own matlab. And your husband is too ignorant, that’s hes listening to them more, that he’s willing to mess up his marriage and family for them. What more do they want ? They should have stayed with you happily and not ignored you. All that rubbish about being from a different country and hesitant to talk to the daughter in law is bs. Because they do in communicate in India with their daughter in laws there, so there should be know discrimination. They have veils over themselves so they can’t see your good qualities. I know I’ve been through it. One day, your husband will see what they have been doing and he’ll probably regret it when it’s too late. Pray and do Ardas to Waheguru to help you through this. And if you can talk to other women who have spouses from India. It is hard penji, but like the say, you can’t change somebody, but you can change yourself. Just be nice to his parents, so they have no excuse to belittle you. And don’t even bother to ask them why or for explanations, because you already know they will never take your side. And if there’s something you don’t agree on with him, then instead of hurting your own soul and getting angry with him, tell him in a more polite way, because he will argue more with you otherwise. Change your approach towards the problems and how to deal with them. Have your parents spoke to them? In a way it’s good they don’t live near you, so chill out, enjoy your life and hopefully your husband will appreciate and respect you more when he sees the truth. Get some counselling from your doctor too. It will help you to relax.

Main Reason is to refute the arguments of Brahmins that only they the twice born can have gian and mukhti ...that the lower members of society have no hope and also no right to expect knowledge or mukhti . Guru Sahiban give also Ganika as an example as besides being a woman she was the worst kind a prostitute to totally destroy the myth that women cannot achieve mukhti . We are all worthy of japping naam and doing bhagti.

If you read Gurbani carefully, gurmat wants us to rise above dukh sukh of in all phases life. (practically only intense naam abhiyaas is what can make us numb to the ups and downs of life). If you have done sangat of soojvaan gursikhs. You will realize the shabads sung in keertan to SatGuroo are usually always related to the occasion. In sadness, praising vahiguroo and accepting his bhana and in happiness thanking him etc.

Gurbani by atleast 3 of the Bhagats in bold and underlined above exist within Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, from the time of Guru Arjan Dev when the 1st beerh was scribed. Meaning, these bhagat were already in sachkhand. Prove that Bhagats who were already in sachkhand by Dasmesh Jee's time, had to be reborn!

Can you please provide a top ten 100%=gurbani then what comes second Koran or Vedas? I believe the criticism has to do with how hollow people's beliefs are and missing the point