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As someone who is Amritdhari, let me tell you that simply being "Amritdhari" doesn't make you a better Sikh. Look at all these SGPC politicians who have "Amritdhari" wives who lower the standard for Amrit. Its OK if someone isnt Amritdhari, its not the end of the world. We as Sikhs need to stop attacking one of our few Sikh politicians for something so stupid. Honestly. give Jagmeet Singh a brake. he got banned from India. hes being constantly attacked by others, and the last thing he needs right now is to be attacked by his own community.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/in-a-first-canada-calls-for-action-against-sikh-terror-groups-in-joint-document-with-india/articleshow/63050652.cms So according to hindu guji extremist and murderer of gujji muslims modi and their counterpart Canadian collaborators and enablers in indian state terrorism this is what we can understand from the last 40years: Operation blue star 1984 mass murder of Sikhs and an attack on the heart of Sikhism = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror anti-sikh genocide 1984 northern india pogroms = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror Operation woodrose mass murder and extra judicial of Punjabi Sikh civilian youths = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror 1946 assurances to Sikh leadership of area of self rule in northern indian = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror Burnings of Sikh scriptures and attacks on gurdwara's = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror 1980s-90s propaganda tapes sent to world wide media outlets giving one side of the story against the Sikh minority community = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror Bombing of air india in 1985 using proxy pasty groups and agent provocateurs = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror Using black cat criminals in punjab to mass murder punjabis in 80s/90 = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror Bombing places in in pakistan in 80s using hindu indian agents like sarabjit singh = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror Hindu brahmin and govt indian agents dressing up as Sikhs and trying to interfere in our religious affairs and also killing innocent people = no indian state oppression & terrorism / indian extremism / no hindu terror yup its all sikh terror according to the indian m0rons. Its all Sikh terror in kashmir right now and for the last 20years india right?.... its all Sikh terror killing innocent people for eating beef or taking cows to be slaughtered? its all sikh terror where upper caste hindu rapists are gang raping innocent women and girls in public in many states cos they happen to be of a low caste . Yup Its all Sikh terror from groups like BKI and ISYF who are a virtually a spent force, defunct and their influence and power in sikh political circles akin to nothing. There is no indian hindu terror that minorities or the world needs to be concerned about it cos indian religious minorities lives don't matter. Age old story of the powerful and rich corrupt helping the rich and powerful corrupt. As long as they can do economic deals make the money get richer, screw the lives the human rights and interests of those who do not look like them or believe in what they believe in.

There are many issues Sikh men need to be aware of when entering a life-long commitment whether it's with a woman from India, or a young lady from any respective western country in question. Unfortunately, it's somewhat of an uncomfortable truth that Punjabi fathers are themselves ill-equipped to advise their sons on the various ways of successfully traversing married life. Maybe this will change as people of my generation become fathers to their own children of marriageable age in the next 20 or so years, but I think that era will offer its own set of unique challenges. Generally, it's practically a sink or swim mentality amongst our people, and that leads to many serious issues that could easily be avoided if we just talked or even just frankly identified a few of the important issues to consider when selecting a partner AND the various issues that can arise between a couple after marriage, as well as identifying the problems that are unique to our culture regarding extended family norms, etc. Most of this soul-searching and analysis must begin before the marriage, before selecting a partner. There's TOO much to comprehensively identify and discuss here, but as an overview I will say that if you're going the traditional way of finding a partner through an introduction via a third party, just do yourself a favour and quickly eliminate from your mind any thoughts of romance and any other subjective ideas that will impair your judgement. If the institution of marriage is a serious concern to you, and one you plan to undertake just the once, then for God's sake use your brain, and don't take your cues from entertainment and other nonsensical soft-cultural influences. Be as dispassionate and as cool-headed as possible. Think about the sort of progeny that will result from your union with a lady, because ultimately you should be viewing a marriage as a method of securing the future of your lineage. This kind of approach to marriage isn't only for royalty and the elite families of the world. Sometimes, unavoidable bad stuff happens that you can't account for, but if you're attributing everything to fate and luck, you're going to be in for a shock. If this seems like I'm talking about breeding horses instead of humans and fostering relationships, then I apologise, but marriage and its related financial and social issues - that can destroy lives when it all falls apart - is a serious business. Look at not only the girl in question and her respective physical and personality traits, but analyse her family, too. Is there an errant sibling in the family? Maybe there's more than two? Could the potential person of interest be shielding their true nature for the purposes of securing an engagement? Look at the parents: are they loud and boisterous beyond the usual jolly Punjabi demeanour? Is their brash nature an endearing quality or does it suggest an unfortunate lack of manners and common sense? Could this be an indication of more concerning traits and values they've passed on to your potential marriage partner? Would you be upset if similar ingrained traits were passed onto your children? There's SO much to sift through if you aren't in the habit of leaving things to chance. If you're going in with a head full of dreams and half-baked fantasies of everlasting love and romance, you're going to be disappointed. Marriage, even on a good day, is hard work. Give yourself a fighting chance by opening your eyes and your mind before entering such situations.

And yet, it happens all the time, including very likely in your own family and mine. I realize in this case both the bride and groom are from Canada, but maybe they wanted their relatives in India to be able to attend (as you know getting a Canadian visitor visa is difficult for Indian residents). How do the few pictures posted above confirm that? Because she's not carrying a 3 ft kirpan? I'm not claiming she took Amrit, but you also have no information that she didn't. What? She's wearing a chunni, what else do you want? She's even covering her head in the photo not in the presence of Guru Sahib. How's that disrespectful? I agree, the hukumnamma or guidance said to conduct weddings in Gurdwaras. Are you sure about that? It seems the background is the hills/forests of Himachal Pradesh, where Baru Sahib is located.

"MHH BUT SHES NOT AMRTDHAREEEEEEE" You people are ruing the Sikh community. Seriously, shut up, and run for politics yourself, lets see how many votes you get.

Seriously, get over it. Tuhanu ki mil da baar baar ohi cheej kehn naal. Up to what point are you gonna scrutinise the guy? Ehni commentary karni vi maari gal ah. Give the guy a break man.

Meh no need to dress formally....

What a coincidence, I was listening to this earlier today. He sings it well.

The Hindu Gujerati seems to be the most virulently anti Sikh part of the Hindu strata. They are the most staunch hindu yet seem to be the least dharmic of other hindus. Their values seem to be the antithesis of our values of Sikhs. I have some theories as to why the Gujerati is like this and why it contrasts with Sikh values. They feel the most threatened and jealous of Sikhs for some reason. I think that it has to be with geography. We Sikhs come from Punjab and it is a green and fertile land. We are shaped by our geography and combined with Sikhi, we have an abundance mentality. When you have an abundance mentality, you are more generous and share. That is why in Sikhi we have vand shako. Gujerat is a dry parched region. Because of this Gujeratis have a scarcity mentality, that is why they are less generous and are generally more stingy. It would be difficult for them to accept Sikhi because vand shako means to share and they have to be hoarders as their environment dictates. That is my theory anyway.

You are delusional

you are not meant to show disrespect to the boon of kirpaan ...as it is the aan bestowed by Guru ji's Kirpa . Also it representative of Waheguru ji's justice should be held aloft . What he's missed too many arm days at the gym to cope? Simaranjit Singh Mann is over 70 and he manages ...

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All the people who are complaining about him marrying a non-amritdhari really need to go do something else with their time

SaveCancel Sant Bhagwan Singh Ji Khalsa - Madhavay Tumm Na Toroe

Death to Gurdwara Committees!!! (hypothetically)

How can you be the owner of the Gurdwara? Nobody’s owns the Gurdwara, and Sangat should have a say in how things are done. Is there a committee there? Something doesn’t sound right about this post.

The proliferation of these chicken joints is a big part of the problem. It is chicken that they want to dominate. It seems to co-incide with Nandos being established in the UK and the popularisation of peri peri. After that they want to try to ban pork based products. My old local Safe ways (as when they used to exist) had seriously reduced their pork based products. It was soon discovered that the muslim lobby steathily attempted to ban pork based products. What you find very interesting is that in a non muslim dominated area, muslim based restaurants don't even display the halal sign. Whether that means they use non halal meat, I cannot say. A lot of cafe and diner based restaurants are dominated by Turks but they don't even bother with halal, it seems to be something Pakistanis are more stringent on. I suspect it has to do with displaying their Islamic credentials being that they are seen as lower level muslim in the ummah. But there does seem to be more and more opposition to halal and more openly so. There is a midlands based website the displays all the restaurant that serves halal and non halal food. When I was listening to the LBC talk, there were concerns regarding the UK hygiene health and safety laws. I expect that this will get louder.

Jus Reign is technically correct in his argument that Sikhi isn’t a religion, however I don’t think he thought about this on a deeper level, and just made a hippy edgy statement that so happens to be true once examined on a deeper level. Guru Nanak Dev Ji never intended to start a “religion”. Sikhi isn’t a “religion” it’s the Sach Dharam. This modern day “Sikhism” most people follow is an Abrahamic knockoff created by the Singh Sabah era with the help of the British, which takes away Sikhi’s universalist Dharmic framework, and replaces it with this abomination calles Sikhism. Jus Reigns statement also comes from a place of duality. For any educated Sikh, it’s obvious that Guru Nanak never “left” us, and Guru Gobind Singh Ji is just the same as Guru Nanak, who is just the same as Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The Guru is the Bani, the Bani is the Guru, and within it all the Amrit is contained. As for his comment about rocking the Turban and doing whatever HE wants, from a Sikh point of view his completely wrong. The entire point of being a Sikh is to recognize your own defincies and realize you cannot achieve anything by yourself, this is why you dedicate yourself to an enlightener (Guru) and follow his teachings. Bani time and time again tells us to destroy this false sense of self (ego) and recognize the One. Sikhi isn’t about following yourself, it’s about following the One Guru. When a Sikh, especially a “Singh” (Man who has received Khand Di Phaul) as Jus Reign claims to be, wears a Dastaar (Turban) then they are representing the Khalsa and the Gurus Saroop. Of course there are things you cannot do, like smoking, drinking (He drinks), or other immoralities because reflects back on the Khalsa. When you go out and do something retarded it reflects bad on that real Singh who keeps the 5K’s, who gets up at Amritvela, who follows Rehat, etc. The fact is that in the modern day, especially for someone who uses the Khalsa title of “Singh”, wearing the Dastaar is not a joke. It’s either you follow the Rehat and maintain proper conduct in the world, or take off the Dastaar, and remove Singh from your name (which you didn’t earn in the first place).

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The saying 'beauty is only skin deep' fits perfectly in these scenarios. One can marry the most attractive person possible, but all things need to be taken into account. Will they get on with the family, do they have a sense of humour, are there synergies in values... Appearances whilst important should not be at the forefront of ones mind, it's so easy to be blinded by just one attribute.

Yes, absolutely, sanjog is the one variable that's key for anyone with religious or spiritual beliefs, although from a certain point of view - as Sikhi tells us - we can affect it through various means. Sanjog can sometimes be the difference between a defeat and a victory. Our duty as beings with brains is to use them as much as possible. The rest is up to the big guy.

Great post. Ultimately we can and should use our God given senses and intuition to make a life changing decision but it boils down to sanjog. Whether we like the look of parents, the potential partner, etc, there is this large chunk of pre-destiny that comes to play. I'm a perfect example of this. Before I chose to marry, I had spoken to a few girls in Punjab about what's important to me/them, a little about Sikhi, what the UK would be like, whether they were happy and happy to do household work and so forth. You could say I treated it like an interview. I was sitting on the fence right up until the day before we were due to fly back, and my mother was pressing me to make up my mind. The final decision was made based on what my Grandfather knew about the family (they spent a lot of time in our pind as due to her Fufar living there), I greatly respect his wisdom and the investigative work by my own Fufar, this is what sealed our fate .

Big Tera You need to be more firm and assertive when dealing in these matters. Hope you have learnt some lessons here. These type of life changing decisions cannot be taken lightly. Still, it could have been worse. I heard of a situation some years ago where the groom was waiting for his bride in the anand karaj and the bride bottled it. Her sister stepped in and married him instead. Still, if you are thinking of going to India for marriage, there are still plenty of fish (metaphorically speaking). Being a foreigner/westerner going to India for marriage is a buyer's market (sorry for this term). The reality is that you can turn one girl down and there are 20 to take her place. Keep this in mind if you are going back there for marriage. You dictate the terms to the vachola and don't back down. That is the langauge they understand.

They have nothing better to do with their time, so they are making stuff up to complain about.

I meant Sat means Eternal not Truth

? I didn’t see them. I guessed. ?

Looking at photos is anti-Gurmat. Probably.

Good point. Leave dharamraj's job to dharam raaj.

How did you manage to score an invite?

Errrrm your reply wasn't to Gurjant. And even if it was how many times are you gonna bang on about the same thing? Sau page da topic ah, rehn do hon.

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Congratulations to him, his wife family and all the Sikh kaum. Jagmeet Singh continues to do us proud

She looks like a queen.

Jagsaw Singh jee, if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck then chances are it's probably a duck. The men who came for the debate are all hardcore missionaries. They use the same debate tactics that missionaries do i.e. rely on science over Gurbani. In the debate they gave further proof of their missionary identity where they repeatedly call Amrit as Khande Ki Pahul. While both words are interchangeable and both are equally Parvan. but missionaries insist that Amrit cannot be used since they claim that the term Amrit is also used by Hindus while Khande Ki Pahul is not. Next they will say we should not eat Aloo Gobi because Hindus also eat Aloo Gobi. The people who were used for attack purposes by the missionaries are typically all Patits. They do not follow the religion themselves. They came there with the firm intention to not allow Hari Singh to perform Katha no matter hwat. The organizers and people in Sangat can be seen begging them to allow the Katha to continue and they will be allowed to question him after the Katha. They were disrupting the Dhadi Jatha who belong to a Shaheed family. They pushed people in the Sangat. Sangat is Guru Roop, that means they pushed around our Guru. I ask you is this how a person should behave in Hazuri of Guru Maharaj? Even animals would not react this way. There is a way of doing things. When Hari Singh clearly gave the assurance that he will talk with them AFTER the katha was over. What need was there to act like wild animals despite assurances of talks?? I myself am not a fan of Giani Hari Singh because of his(and rest of Sant Samaj's) alliance with Badal, but one thing I have come to note of him is that he never runs away from the hard questions. He will face them and answer them. Can the same be said of Dhunda, Darshan Lal, panthpreet and missionary parcharaks who barely ever sit to do such debates and if they do they get up and leave when faced with hard questions because the answers to those hard questions might reveal their real hardcore Kala Afghanist views which they try so hard to hide. And periods of a woman having nothing really to do with this whole thing. Their real issue with him is that he openly and firmly stand up for Dasam Granth which the missionaries have an allergy to. They cannot tolerate anyone standing up for Dasam Granth. They will watch all of Giani Hari Singh's kathas, nitpick and dissect them for any issue. When the missionary Patits were acting wildly in the Gurdwara, look how civilized Hari Singh's followers were. Not one fought with them, hit them or even spoke in a loud voice reprimanding them even though the missionaries deserved a chittar beating in my opinion. Instead they all reacted by requesting them with folded hands to allow katha to continue. Compare this with a few years ago when some Singhs tried to disrupt Dhunda's Katha in some Canadian province because Dhunda had insulted the Kirtan of Darbar Sahib by saying it is even worse than a prostitute, those Singhs were beaten and thrown out by Dhunda's missionary/ patit supporters.

not complaining but noting that he has chosen to excuse his wife from the expected rehit thus fallen from his own.

I remember when jagmeet Singh was cycling to work and people were praising him for keeping things simple and not destroying the environment by driving a car. I guess that was an act as well. Flying out to a different country when he could have had his wedding in his province is not being simple and not good for the environment. And for all those claiming maybe before the wedding his not amritdhari confused Punjabi wife would take Amrit were living in dream world. When people get power, they abuse that power to fulfill their wants. They don't care about the big picture, the Khalsa Panth teachings. An amritdhari man should have enough guts in him to tell his future wife to follow the Guru or this worldly relationship will end. His wife decision to be fashionable over properly covering her head before Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is very arrogant. It shows the level of respect she has for Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. People in power are the most arrogant people. I wonder what Sri Akal Takht sahib will say if they look into where this wedding was conducted. It has been recognized by Sri Akal Takht sahib to not have an Anand Karaj on the beach. From the picture it looks as the Anand karaj was done on the beach. People in power think they are above the law of Gurmat. Such behavior shown is basically a big middle finger to the Nirmal Panth started by Sri Guru Nanak dev ji. Disregard for Gurmat shows no respect for the shaheeds of 1984 because they lived and died to uphold Gurmat. But what do I know. I'm not in a position of power, just shut up and let the arrogant people run a muck of very thing good and pure.

going back to the main question. Is breaking off marriage after the shagun(engagement) common in india?

There more to it then the skin problem. I did not even get a chance to speak to the girl. I just went on family recommendation. Hence now I think I made a mistake. I have taken a gamble on something. Why should I risk everything just to please everyone else. I have seen people who divorce which is alot worse.