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VJKK VJKF Ji Hmm... MrDoaba has never been well per say... He's just having a break though. Spending his time wisely. Entertaining kaamdeva and his ਤੋਤਾ. I'll pass on your concerns, though I'm afraid he won't hear them for the brown RSS kashera he's managed to stuff in his ears. Hare ਓਮ. On a real though, he's fine. ਏਨੀ ਛੇਤੀ ਨੀ ਖੇੜਾ ਛੁਟਣ ਵਾਲਾ l

Shukria veer ji. I like being here within the sangat. I appreciate you all. That is exactly how I was taught to feel.

Nice insults like usual. Veer ji...this has been known for a long time. Welcome to the table. Edit: bah I quoted jkvlondons quote of jagsaw.

Anywhere I can detect the aroma of tarkah as I'm walking past. ?

I don’t trust India or Pakistan. Both of them want to trap the Sikhs.

this is so true Even sikhs are forgetting grihast jeevan promoted all the way from Guru Nanak. People are stuck in dating waste mentality at the age when elders were already married. By the time people are getting married, they have grown too old to be able to grow up with their marriage partner. They may even have wasted time growing up with boyfriend/girlfriend, not a publicly respectable partnership in sikh family. Only problem with boyfriend or girlfriend is that he/she will not have been brought up to respect others's parents. Doing this izzat-less dating things, they won't have izzat when they're married. The daughters aren't being given the sanskar to be married, and neither are the sons. And no amount of money will make up for the lack of sanskar being taught. With these shrabbi-pendus, racism towards their own turban wearers is also being spread like a poison inside sikh community. Along with other kurahits such as tobacco/shisha/hookah and halal. Once you get a haircut, it becomes much easier to commit other kurahits.

Yes as an Irish person I have absolutely no idea about british racism. The "new fact" that blew your mind simply isn't new. I get why you're excited, but people who have known this for a long time simply aren't going to be as jazzed up about it. Which is why I welcomed you to the table. You and the racist brits now know. Congrats. And yes. It's been known a long time. That isn't the first reconstruction that shows the original Europeans as dark and it's always been known by the Irish, here is a 2006 article about the fomorians. https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/articles/african-roots-of-ireland/ I grew up hearing this my whole life. If you look up the term black irish you will find many different definitions of what that means, but in my family's oral tradition it was used in this context. https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-original-africans-of-europe-by-ogu-eji-ofo-annu/ Here is a 2007 reference to dark skinned original Europeans. I had encountered this information at least 20 years ago, but I'm not digging too hard for you. Welcome to the table. I get why you're excited. It just isn't news to many people. Combined with the long standing knowledge that everyone was originally black, you'll just have to excuse those who's minds aren't blown. I don't need you to simplify anything. I need you to catch up and take some deep breaths.

Thank you for that demeaning insight.

This is a place of discourse. I just express my opinion. Our views are simply from different angles. I bear you no ill will. Say what you like. I will do the same. I agree with you occasionally and have quoted you favorably. I'd like your posts sometimes but I can't due to your forum bans. What I won't do is suggest you kill yourself. Also I won't be insulted or intimidated into silence.

Yes, I'd like to echo the above suggestion that your objection might be interpreted as envy on your part. Tread carefully.

It is dowry by any other name. Your final paragraph, all the above. Do they want to make the brides life easier - yes. Do they want to make the groom's family happy - yes. Could they be using this as a way of currying other favours in the future - possibly. Should you express your disatisfaction regarding this - you can possibly tell your wife that you might not be happy with this. However , the caveat is her Indian thinking might think that you are jealous because your sandu is getting cash and prizes and you and your family got diddly squat. You cannot stop your in-laws giving cash and prizes but if you express your disatisfaction it may not be well received or appreciated.

I don't doubt you're right. I trust you. On the off chance I threw them 10 seconds of typed advice. I wasn't very clear. What I mean was "On the off chance you aren't trolling, which I highly doubt, and would not place a bet on..."

If you aren't trolling. Not placing bets on that. That is like a sick man feeling unworthy of medicine. Do your paath. Explain to the poor girl what happened and set proper boundaries. Vaheguru saw that coming a mile away so there's no hiding. Redouble your commitment and learn and grow.

I think you’re jumping the gun. You and nobody knows what discussions have taken place about the future of his bride to be. Nobody is saying he is exempt from the responsibilities which come with being an Amritdhari but maybe he really likes her soul and maybe she has agreed to walk the path of a Gursikh. You think you are the only ‘Siana Banda’ who can see that this not correct according to rehit. I’m sure Jagmeet Singh has been advised on this so just wait and see. You should stop this witch hunt and support the only credible political candidate who many Sikhs have been waiting for too long.

There is no solution! Welcome to Kalyug. People have changed along with the challenges of the times. Both men and women are getting married at a later age (30+) so they no longer have the tolerance to accommodate their partner or their partners families. The too set in their ways of what the perceive as being comfortable. In 80’s it wasn’t uncommon to see a bride and groom get married between the age 18-21. You would regularly see girls who were put through education by the in-laws and slowly moving towards a career path within a few years into the marriage. The boy would often be in the same situation and probably clueless about their future. The married couple were still in their youth and were slowly growing into adulthood with the presence and advise of elders within the family unit. Somehow this setup worked quite well and still kept the marriages strong and successful. Nowadays everybody wants the complete article before marriage, usually comprising of education of some importance, well settled in a career, a big salary, a business, big detached house, a nice car, multiple properties to boast about, money in the bank for holidays and the cherry on top is no in-laws within 5 miles. The success of the marriages of the previous generations were down to being young and sharing hardship along the way. Sometimes this is the glue that keeps families together. Joint decisions come into play and you are forced sacrifice yourselves for the sake of others. This is not seen now as people are so selfish and impatient for material wealth and so called independence that they are ruthless when it comes down tolerating anyone other than themselves. But the odd thing is they are still unhappy!

Having visited India. I remember talking to a few Sikhs. Who said that they did not consider themselves Sikhs. But more Hindu. Even though they were born Sikh. They said being in India. They were surrounded by mostly hindus, mandirs and what not. Mostly hindu festvials, culture and traditions. In essence they said they regarded themselves more Hindus. Their friends were hindus. the neighbours were hindus. The language they had to speak was hindi apart from talking to their family members. Is this common In india. btw I am talking from speaking to these people from big cities away from Punjab. Such as mumbai, dehli, calcutta ect. They also did hindu pilgrimages and had mata photos. How can we stop this from happening. This is nothing against hinduism. Hindus are great peoople with a great religion and culture. But under no circumstances should people be trying to mix Hindu beliefs and traditions with Sikhism. If you are a hindu be a hindu if your are a sikhs be a sikh. but dont go mixing it up. Trying to be some swami yogi man. that belives in everything. Its a great shame to see hindunised sikhs. That are confused and deluded.

May Saraswati bless OP with great divine Knowledge and may Ganesha bless him with the literary might of Brahma.

You've made some fair points here. Let me answer on how we can stop this though We don't need to go out and start saving the community. All we have to do is save our own home. Each and every one of us. And that, itself, will save the whole community. Don't drink yourself, be an example for your children and other children that look up to you. Don't encourage the behavior, and that means not playing Bhangra tracks that promote alcohols/drugs. Explain the dangers to children at a young age. Scare the s*** out of them, if need be. Just don't let them touch the bottle. Now I know most of us probably don't have children, including myself, but this is something we should be prepared for when we do. The last generation, even the current generation probably can't be saved as they've already started the habit, but its possible to save the next generation. No one needs to be a local superhero to end the alcohol crisis our community faces, just set things right at home, and we should be all good.

Work, on you're. Spelling Grammar: Punctuation. pleaze. Lord have mercy. @MrDoaba may be able to shed some light on your concerns. What do you make of this hindunisation?

I grew up in a Sikh area - Handsworth Birmingham. There’s about 5 Gurdwaray there and the famous Soho Road known as Punjabi pind.

no just filthy. Stop sl8tshaming my fellow RSS agent :((

just do 5 ishnan that one day

you people are filthy.

Anyone can be a moderator by using report post option... in gupt.

What? You might want to brush up on English grammar, bro: https://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/english-grammar

a lot of you are cussing people for going out and getting drunk... but how do you plan on stopping it? by being internet babeh? or by actually getting off your a$$ and helping the community? someone said you dont expect singhs in baaneh to be at these places, which i agree with 100%... however why is it when issues such as rajoana, bhullar, jaggi etc come up then the singhs expect the average punjabi whose a sessioner etc to be there? I may across as rude or abrupt, but all i see is the gursikh faction of our community sideline the average man, but yet expect them to embrace sikhi? look at groups like Sikh youth uk, these have gone out and helped your average punjabis (addicts, girls who been groomed etc) and they have made a massive impact. time is now to sambaal our kaum, we all hype about Sant Ji but Sant Ji did exactly that. He went out to the average man and showed the power of Sikhi, the most common thing we got now is nindiyah - BIG DIFFERENCE.

He is doing bhagti in his bhora right now.

Thanks Neo brother for the PHD. IN BASIC TERMS IT MEANS CONCENTRATION OR PAYING ATTENTION TO SOMETHING

And a bomb at some random train, car, plane, other mode of public transport.

Considering that ‘Khande di pahul’ was only ever given to men & intended for men only your question is null and void according to maryada of Budha Dal & Hazur Sahib where even women are not given ‘Khande di Pahul’ if you are a kusra and want amrit your better of trying 1 of the ‘modern’ man made jathas with man made maryada.... they give amrit to anyone

trying to be funny ...and failing

Interesting question, unfortunately don't know the answer. Vaishakhi is coming up in april, there will be lots of amrit sanchars occurring across the country, just call them gurdwara and ask panj pyares directly instead of relying on indirect inferences here, just ask i have a friend who belongs to hijare(transsexual) category , is he/she allowed to take amrit?. If its allowed, don't think you have to pick singh or kaur then there nor they assigned to you, at least not that i am aware of.? I would think its not clear cut-simple yes or no, its probably assessed case by case basis depending on seeker interest in sikhi and state of mind. According to my understanding panj pyares (pacha ka gur ek dyaan) mostly they only operate and concentrate on/from universal all pervading guru(pure consciousness in all ) which exist in everyone and from universal sri guru granth sahib- universal sidhant of it, so fist they only see goodness so by default they operate from that point of view and assess case by case basis.

what I have seen in the gay section of any society is they think the faiths they want should alter their fundamental requirements to accomodate their lifestyles etc however this is total opposite attitude the faith adherents inculcate they come from a point of nimrata and longing , willing to sacrifice comforts and ease to serve their faith and Akal Purakh. Any mention of discarding extra martital sex is an anathaema to them , and they often distort the teaching to justify their lifestyles not seeing that losing kaam, krodh ahankar , etc as positives for life . No doubt there are a small minority who can and do change and sacrifice their sexlife a become behingam to serve the Guru ji and I have no problems with that but it is literally handfuls amongst thousands . The transgender people can choose what they like but the Guru's rehit is atal , they can serve the panth in their new form and do sewa etc but on a mental/emotional level they have rejected Guru ji's wisdom so deeply and let their haumai rule . If we can reject a mona for amrit because he/she rejects hukam of kesh in fact they are considered patit what level would you consider someone who alters his/her physical form in every possible way ?

That's fine. You're an excellent contributor to this forum, and I respect your opinions. You know I'm not one for advocating degeneracy and the kind of nonsense that passes for modern life in certain circles, but sometimes we forget that behind the ideologies and the loud voices, there are people like you and I who are just trying to make sense of it all, and maybe I'm being naive, but I'd like to think a bit of understanding and compassion for people goes a long way. I'm not suggesting we start conducting Anand Karaj ceremonies for trans people, lol.

If someone has cancer, then does that mean that God made a mistake? of course not. Everything is a part of human, even being LGBTQ. If someone is committed to Sikhi, and truly wants to give their head to the Guru, why should their sexuality stop them? Science is showing that sometimes your sexuality isnt your "choice", and a lot of programs meant to "cure" LGBTQ people have failed. As I have asked before. can you please cite any Gurbani. or Rehat? You already gave a historical example. How is it? there are actual chemicals involved and this is a complex issue. Assuming it is a mental disorder, does that mean we dont allow mental people to receive Khand Di Phaul? in 1699 did the Guru say no mental people allowed to give their head? Historically Sikhs didnt do a lot of stuff, like allow women into the Panj Pyare, or even in a lot of cases, women into the Khalsa Army and gave them a separate initiation process called "Kirpan Di Phaul".

They found the dudes but they're dangerous and the police don't want none. So they probably laughed about it with the guys. Eerily similar to my own experience in that way.

Lol. Saw this while sitting on the floor eating. Maybe I could have chosen something other than a giant bowl of butterfinger ice cream, but cheers.

I think they mean the original story. The sword wielding armed hate crime bit.

Well, I think that he thinks he's the only "Siana Banda" period, and will insult anybody, including those (such as me) that agree with him on that point of rehit! If you ask him to stop insulting people ... then you yourself will get insulted. Yeah, that's why, while I affirm the general principle that an amritdhari needs to marry an amritdhari, I realize we can't know the specifics of any given situation.

Lol one person gets attacked and we have 5 pages worth of diagnosis. It shows what muslims have done that they have put you in so much confusion.

why is it every anti-sikh git somehow a prominent sikh 'leader' ...his beard is trimmed like a muslaman he speaks like a brahmin and where is his 'prominence' generated from his own ego or GOI sponsorship They tried removing and telling sikhs in Italy that le we have made a non-lethal kirpan for you ....it literally folds up on contact

Lol. We have ten pages about Jagmeet's engagement. Meanwhile this fudhu wants to take your Kirpans. Barely a word. Also a prominent community figure. Dude gives me a bad vibe. That's on me, but..... Priorities anyone? That smug look creeps me out. Just sayin. Historically what would be the fate of someone trying to take your kirpans?

I just thought of something....are they married yet? What if she takes amrit at the wedding or before. Might people be jumping on Jagmeet Singh Ji early?

Sounds like superstition to me. Interesting though.

The main issue is what are our Sikh youth doing at clubs, drinking especially? I mean I don't expect them to be saints and all, but there are other far more meaningful activities that one can partake in. And as far as the guy in the video goes, what is he doing alone at a pub? Where are his buddies?

Right bhenji. Hollywood jeez.

I did nothing disingenuous. I did not go searching for an obscure definition to make my point. The search engine that almost everyone (91%) of people use is Google. Plug "evangelism" into Google, and you get the definition I posted: evangelism/ɪˈvan(d)ʒ(ə)lɪz(ə)m/ noun the spreading of the Christian gospel by public preaching or personal witness. Of 10 search results on the page (excluding Google's own definition), all 10 (including the oldest university in the English world--Oxford) have a Christian meaning for evangelism. Only one has a non-Christian meaning from the search result page. Hence, a Christian meaning of evangelism is entirely reasonable, and is not disingenuous by any means. Oh, and by the way, I checked this on a number of Google websites, including the US site (google.com), and the UK site (google.co.uk). As if this wasn't sufficient, I went ahead and allowed for a non-Christian meaning of evangelism in my post: The entire rest of the Sangat can check that in my post here. So who is being disingenuous?

Sikh kids tend to take up martial arts/self defence in their teens (15-16) but that is only after they get bullied and beaten up mainly by our mecca praying friends. That 16 year age seems to be the golden age, mainly because it is post GCSE. This is when kids are doing A-Levels in college and there tends to be less supervision. This is when some of our girls discover a certain level of freedom and become very promiscuous particularly when they get approached by the muslim alpha bad boys. Our Sikh boys are very beta but muslims do some of these boys a favour because they bring out the masculinity in them. I know many a Sikh boy that used get picked on. They started to work out and learn to box, kick box, grapple. In a few years, these muslim boys start to respect these Sikh boys. The Muslim kids are also led to their own devices considering muslim families tend to be larger. The difference seems to be the muslim kids have their older cousins and uncles around and they tend to teach their youngers. The problem with our boys is that there seems to be a lack of positive masculinity since our men have become very feminised.

No worries. I believe he was a "Sikh" in the larger sense. I.e., a bhagat (a loving devotee of God) under nirgun bhagtee. The only difference between him and us is that he was not in the Rehit of Guru Gobind Singh ji, which he was not obligated to be.

Funny...because you needed a reminder about a while ago what a verse from Japji Sahib meant, where you tried peddling your usual nonsense and got put down. Don't quote Gurbani if you can't even read or understand it, you mentioned History, yet you bring up Scripture. You really aren't the brightest are you?