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  1. Yes that was a pretty stupid statement. How can anybody judge on who japs Naam or not? Where are you getting this nonsense from? Isn't that what you just did above this sentence? ??
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  2. That’s a pretty stupid statement. You just ignored all the Sikhs who do jap Naam. You also ignore the fact that it’s easy to keep a small tight kit community on the same path, but as they grow you will eventually start to lose control. If I get 50 of my friends together, and get them to all follow the same thing, it will be easier to make them do something compared to if I got 50,000. A’s “Naamdharis” grow, they will lose control. Recently, one of their fake gurus died without appointing a successor, and it caused a civil war. Now there is a branch of them who are trying to infiltrate the mainstream Sikh population to spread their cult. Sikhi is a universal path, and people of different identifications can reach the same destination, but the steps one must take are still the same, even if achieved in different ways. To truly become free, one requires a true Guru. Let me ask you this, are the 4 Gurus after Guru Gobind Singh Ji that the Naamdharis follow “true” Gurus? Is it truthful to lie about history? Is it truthful to history bani? Is it truethful to change Sikhi itself to fit your agenda? Because Naamdharis have done all of this. Sure the mainstream Sikhs might not be as specialized as Naamdharis are in certain asoects, but at least they follow the true Guru. Did one of the 14 Gurus Naamdharis claim to follow not specifically instruct Sikhs to follow the SGGSJ as the Guru? Did he not end the line of human Gurus? We’re Sikhs not given the tools to achieve Mukti in SGGSJ so that they needed 4 more Gurus?
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  3. Why any ethnic community opens their own place of worship. I can't think of even one faith which doesn't have places of worship based on ethnicity or cultural differences, even if they follow the exact same interpretations of doctrine and theology as the majority.
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  4. The only reason why sodhi vansh become shaheedan da vansh was umaang of Mata BHani ji ...it was her sewa da phaal and sense of selflessness ... it was all the Matavan going down the line which brought those jot into human form as they were deemed more than worthy , try getting your bitterness adjusted ....Ang223 ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ गउड़ी महला १ ॥ Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 1. Gauree, First Mehl: ਦੂਜੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਗਤ ਚਿਤ ਵਾਸੁ ॥ दूजी माइआ जगत चित वासु ॥ Ḏūjī mā▫i▫ā jagaṯ cẖiṯ vās. The duality of Maya dwells in the consciousness of the people of the world. ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਅਹੰਕਾਰ ਬਿਨਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ काम क्रोध अहंकार बिनासु ॥१॥ Kām kroḏẖ ahaʼnkār binās. ||1|| They are destroyed by sexual desire, anger and egotism. ||1|| ਦੂਜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਕਹਾ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਈ ॥ दूजा कउणु कहा नही कोई ॥ Ḏūjā ka▫uṇ kahā nahī ko▫ī. Whom should I call the second, when there is only the One? ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ सभ महि एकु निरंजनु सोई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Sabẖ mėh ek niranjan so▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o. The One Immaculate Lord is pervading among all. ||1||Pause|| ਦੂਜੀ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਆਖੈ ਦੋਇ ॥ दूजी दुरमति आखै दोइ ॥ Ḏūjī ḏurmaṯ ākẖai ḏo▫e. The dual-minded evil intellect speaks of a second. ਆਵੈ ਜਾਇ ਮਰਿ ਦੂਜਾ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥ आवै जाइ मरि दूजा होइ ॥२॥ Āvai jā▫e mar ḏūjā ho▫e. ||2|| One who harbors duality comes and goes and dies. ||2|| ਧਰਣਿ ਗਗਨ ਨਹ ਦੇਖਉ ਦੋਇ ॥ धरणि गगन नह देखउ दोइ ॥ Ḏẖaraṇ gagan nah ḏekẖ▫a▫u ḏo▫e. In the earth and in the sky, I do not see any second. ਨਾਰੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਸਬਾਈ ਲੋਇ ॥੩॥ नारी पुरख सबाई लोइ ॥३॥ Nārī purakẖ sabā▫ī lo▫e. ||3|| Among all the women and the men, His Light is shining. ||3|| ਰਵਿ ਸਸਿ ਦੇਖਉ ਦੀਪਕ ਉਜਿਆਲਾ ॥ रवि ससि देखउ दीपक उजिआला ॥ Rav sas ḏekẖ▫a▫u ḏīpak uji▫ālā. In the lamps of the sun and the moon, I see His Light. ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਬਾਲਾ ॥੪॥ सरब निरंतरि प्रीतमु बाला ॥४॥ Sarab niranṯar parīṯam bālā. ||4|| Dwelling among all is my ever-youthful Beloved. ||4|| ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ करि किरपा मेरा चितु लाइआ ॥ Kar kirpā merā cẖiṯ lā▫i▫ā. In His Mercy, He attuned my consciousness to the Lord. ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਏਕੁ ਬੁਝਾਇਆ ॥੫॥ सतिगुरि मो कउ एकु बुझाइआ ॥५॥ Saṯgur mo ka▫o ek bujẖā▫i▫ā. ||5|| The True Guru has led me to understand the One Lord. ||5|| ਏਕੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਾਤਾ ॥ एकु निरंजनु गुरमुखि जाता ॥ Ėk niranjan gurmukẖ jāṯā. The Gurmukh knows the One Immaculate Lord. ਦੂਜਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਪਛਾਤਾ ॥੬॥ दूजा मारि सबदि पछाता ॥६॥ Ḏūjā mār sabaḏ pacẖẖāṯā. ||6|| Subduing duality, one comes to realize the Word of the Shabad. ||6|| ਏਕੋ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਵਰਤੈ ਸਭ ਲੋਈ ॥ एको हुकमु वरतै सभ लोई ॥ Ėko hukam varṯai sabẖ lo▫ī. The Command of the One Lord prevails throughout all the worlds. ਏਕਸੁ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੭॥ एकसु ते सभ ओपति होई ॥७॥ Ėkas ṯe sabẖ opaṯ ho▫ī. ||7|| From the One, all have arisen. ||7|| ਰਾਹ ਦੋਵੈ ਖਸਮੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ ॥ राह दोवै खसमु एको जाणु ॥ Rāh ḏovai kẖasam eko jāṇ. There are two routes, but remember that their Lord and Master is only One. ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪਛਾਣੁ ॥੮॥ गुर कै सबदि हुकमु पछाणु ॥८॥ Gur kai sabaḏ hukam pacẖẖāṇ. ||8|| Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, recognize the Hukam of the Lord's Command. ||8|| ਸਗਲ ਰੂਪ ਵਰਨ ਮਨ ਮਾਹੀ ॥ सगल रूप वरन मन माही ॥ Sagal rūp varan man māhī. He is contained in all forms, colors and minds. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕੋ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ॥੯॥੫॥ कहु नानक एको सालाही ॥९॥५॥ Kaho Nānak eko sālāhī. ||9||5|| Says Nanak, praise the One Lord. ||9||5|| also Sorath mahala1 ang 599 ਜੋ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਸੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ਕੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥ जो अंतरि सो बाहरि देखहु अवरु न दूजा कोई जीउ ॥ Jo anṯar so bāhar ḏekẖhu avar na ḏūjā ko▫ī jī▫o. He is within - see Him outside as well; there is no one, other than Him. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥ गुरमुखि एक द्रिसटि करि देखहु घटि घटि जोति समोई जीउ ॥२॥ Gurmukẖ ek ḏarisat kar ḏekẖhu gẖat gẖat joṯ samo▫ī jī▫o. ||2|| As Gurmukh, look upon all with the single eye of equality; in each and every heart, the Divine Light is contained. ||2|| ਚਲਤੌ ਠਾਕਿ ਰਖਹੁ ਘਰਿ ਅਪਨੈ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਇਹ ਮਤਿ ਹੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥ चलतौ ठाकि रखहु घरि अपनै गुर मिलिऐ इह मति होई जीउ ॥ Cẖalṯou ṯẖāk rakẖahu gẖar apnai gur mili▫ai ih maṯ ho▫ī jī▫o. Restrain your fickle mind, and keep it steady within its own home; meeting the Guru, this understanding is obtained. ਦੇਖਿ ਅਦ੍ਰਿਸਟੁ ਰਹਉ ਬਿਸਮਾਦੀ ਦੁਖੁ ਬਿਸਰੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥ देखि अद्रिसटु रहउ बिसमादी दुखु बिसरै सुखु होई जीउ ॥३॥ Ḏekẖ aḏrist raha▫o bismāḏī ḏukẖ bisrai sukẖ ho▫ī jī▫o. ||3|| Seeing the unseen Lord, you shall be amazed and delighted; forgetting your pain, you shall be at peace. ||3||
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  5. all of it lol or like the pansies that can't deal with the flies and mozzies? anyhow, could not disagree more, when I go to Punjab it feels like I have arrived home. yes it can be cleaner, only some parts really stench, usually where carrion is disposed and agree the pollution can be stifling, but this is the main cities. we dont have that much of an issue in the pends, where I tend to spend most of the time. when I have the need to travel through Ludhiana to my nanke in Jallandhar dist. or for that matter any long distance stint in Punjab, I tend to leave before dawn, this way you avoid all the traffic and hence pollution. Town folk are just like in the UK, I mean who smiles in London? If you did prob think a) weirdo alert or b) binga!
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  6. They are opening their own gurdwaras because they don’t get control of the regular gurdwaras. They and including brown folks open their own because they want to control the stage and wants to run it according to their style. This is a very good topic. Not only non-brown Sikhs does this but brown Sikhs are well known doing this. Ego driven motives at most of the time (not all cases).
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  7. ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ Maaroo Mehalaa 1 || Maaroo, First Mehl: ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੫ ਅਰਬਦ ਨਰਬਦ ਧੁੰਧੂਕਾਰਾ ॥ Arabadh Narabadh Dhhundhhookaaraa || For endless eons, there was only utter darkness. ਧਰਣਿ ਨ ਗਗਨਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ Dhharan N Gaganaa Hukam Apaaraa || There was no earth or sky; there was only the infinite Command of His Hukam. ਨਾ ਦਿਨੁ ਰੈਨਿ ਨ ਚੰਦੁ ਨ ਸੂਰਜੁ ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਲਗਾਇਦਾ ॥੧॥ Naa Dhin Rain N Chandh N Sooraj Sunn Samaadhh Lagaaeidhaa ||1|| There was no day or night, no moon or sun; God sat in primal, profound Samaadhi. ||1|| ਖਾਣੀ ਨ ਬਾਣੀ ਪਉਣ ਨ ਪਾਣੀ ॥ Khaanee N Baanee Poun N Paanee || There were no sources of creation or powers of speech, no air or water. ਓਪਤਿ ਖਪਤਿ ਨ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਣੀ ॥ Oupath Khapath N Aavan Jaanee || There was no creation or destruction, no coming or going. ਖੰਡ ਪਤਾਲ ਸਪਤ ਨਹੀ ਸਾਗਰ ਨਦੀ ਨ ਨੀਰੁ ਵਹਾਇਦਾ ॥੨॥ Khandd Pathaal Sapath Nehee Saagar Nadhee N Neer Vehaaeidhaa ||2|| There were no continents, nether regions, seven seas, rivers or flowing water. ||2|| ਨਾ ਤਦਿ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਮਛੁ ਪਇਆਲਾ ॥ Naa Thadh Surag Mashh Paeiaalaa || There were no heavenly realms, earth or nether regions of the underworld. ਦੋਜਕੁ ਭਿਸਤੁ ਨਹੀ ਖੈ ਕਾਲਾ ॥ Dhojak Bhisath Nehee Khai Kaalaa || There was no heaven or hell, no death or time. ਨਰਕੁ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਨਹੀ ਜੰਮਣੁ ਮਰਣਾ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਆਇ ਨ ਜਾਇਦਾ ॥੩॥ Narak Surag Nehee Janman Maranaa Naa Ko Aae N Jaaeidhaa ||3|| There was no hell or heaven, no birth or death, no coming or going in reincarnation. ||3|| ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥ Brehamaa Bisan Mehaes N Koee || There was no Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva. ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੀਸੈ ਏਕੋ ਸੋਈ ॥ Avar N Dheesai Eaeko Soee || No one was seen, except the One Lord. ਨਾਰਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਜਨਮਾ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਦੁਖੁ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਦਾ ॥੪॥ Naar Purakh Nehee Jaath N Janamaa Naa Ko Dhukh Sukh Paaeidhaa ||4|| There was no female or male, no social class or caste of birth; no one experienced pain or pleasure. ||4|| ਨਾ ਤਦਿ ਜਤੀ ਸਤੀ ਬਨਵਾਸੀ ॥ Naa Thadh Jathee Sathee Banavaasee || There were no people of celibacy or charity; no one lived in the forests. ਨਾ ਤਦਿ ਸਿਧ ਸਾਧਿਕ ਸੁਖਵਾਸੀ ॥ Naa Thadh Sidhh Saadhhik Sukhavaasee || There were no Siddhas or seekers, no one living in peace. ਜੋਗੀ ਜੰਗਮ ਭੇਖੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਨਾਥੁ ਕਹਾਇਦਾ ॥੫॥ Jogee Jangam Bhaekh N Koee Naa Ko Naathh Kehaaeidhaa ||5|| There were no Yogis, no wandering pilgrims, no religious robes; no one called himself the master. ||5|| ਜਪ ਤਪ ਸੰਜਮ ਨਾ ਬ੍ਰਤ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ Jap Thap Sanjam Naa Brath Poojaa || There was no chanting or meditation, no self-discipline, fasting or worship. ਨਾ ਕੋ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥ Naa Ko Aakh Vakhaanai Dhoojaa || No one spoke or talked in duality. ਆਪੇ ਆਪਿ ਉਪਾਇ ਵਿਗਸੈ ਆਪੇ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਪਾਇਦਾ ॥੬॥ Aapae Aap Oupaae Vigasai Aapae Keemath Paaeidhaa ||6|| He created Himself, and rejoiced; He evaluates Himself. ||6|| ਨਾ ਸੁਚਿ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਤੁਲਸੀ ਮਾਲਾ ॥ Naa Such Sanjam Thulasee Maalaa || There was no purification, no self-restraint, no malas of basil seeds. ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨੁ ਨ ਗਊ ਗਦ਼ਆਲਾ ॥ Gopee Kaan N Goo Guoaalaa || There were no Gopis, no Krishna, no cows or cowherds. ਤੰਤੁ ਮੰਤੁ ਪਾਖੰਡੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਵੰਸੁ ਵਜਾਇਦਾ ॥੭॥ Thanth Manth Paakhandd N Koee Naa Ko Vans Vajaaeidhaa ||7|| There were no tantras, no mantras and no hypocrisy; no one played the flute. ||7|| ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਨਹੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਾਖੀ ॥ Karam Dhharam Nehee Maaeiaa Maakhee || There was no karma, no Dharma, no buzzing fly of Maya. ਜਾਤਿ ਜਨਮੁ ਨਹੀ ਦੀਸੈ ਆਖੀ ॥ Jaath Janam Nehee Dheesai Aakhee || Social class and birth were not seen with any eyes. ਮਮਤਾ ਜਾਲੁ ਕਾਲੁ ਨਹੀ ਮਾਥੈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਕਿਸੈ ਧਿਆਇਦਾ ॥੮॥ Mamathaa Jaal Kaal Nehee Maathhai Naa Ko Kisai Dhhiaaeidhaa ||8|| There was no noose of attachment, no death inscribed upon the forehead; no one meditated on anything. ||8|| ਨਿੰਦੁ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਨਹੀ ਜੀਉ ਨ ਜਿੰਦੋ ॥ Nindh Bindh Nehee Jeeo N Jindho || There was no slander, no seed, no soul and no life. ਨਾ ਤਦਿ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਨਾ ਮਾਛਿੰਦੋ ॥ Naa Thadh Gorakh Naa Maashhindho || There was no Gorakh and no Maachhindra. ਨਾ ਤਦਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਕੁਲ ਓਪਤਿ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਗਣਤ ਗਣਾਇਦਾ ॥੯॥ Naa Thadh Giaan Dhhiaan Kul Oupath Naa Ko Ganath Ganaaeidhaa ||9|| There was no spiritual wisdom or meditation, no ancestry or creation, no reckoning of accounts. ||9|| ਵਰਨ ਭੇਖ ਨਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਣ ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ॥ Varan Bhaekh Nehee Brehaman Khathree || There were no castes or social classes, no religious robes, no Brahmin or Kh'shaatriya. ਦੇਉ ਨ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਗਊ ਗਾਇਤ੍ਰੀ ॥ Dhaeo N Dhaehuraa Goo Gaaeithree || There were no demi-gods or temples, no cows or Gaayatri prayer. ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਨਹੀ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਪੂਜਾ ਲਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੦॥ Hom Jag Nehee Theerathh Naavan Naa Ko Poojaa Laaeidhaa ||10|| There were no burnt offerings, no ceremonial feasts, no cleansing rituals at sacred shrines of pilgrimage; no one worshipped in adoration. ||10|| ਨਾ ਕੋ ਮੁਲਾ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਕਾਜੀ ॥ Naa Ko Mulaa Naa Ko Kaajee || There was no Mullah, there was no Qazi. ਨਾ ਕੋ ਸੇਖੁ ਮਸਾਇਕੁ ਹਾਜੀ ॥ Naa Ko Saekh Masaaeik Haajee || There was no Shaykh, or pilgrims to Mecca. ਰਈਅਤਿ ਰਾਉ ਨ ਹਉਮੈ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਕਹਣੁ ਕਹਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੧॥ Reeath Raao N Houmai Dhuneeaa Naa Ko Kehan Kehaaeidhaa ||11|| There was no king or subjects, and no worldly egotism; no one spoke of himself. ||11|| ਭਾਉ ਨ ਭਗਤੀ ਨਾ ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤੀ ॥ Bhaao N Bhagathee Naa Siv Sakathee || There was no love or devotion, no Shiva or Shakti - no energy or matter. ਸਾਜਨੁ ਮੀਤੁ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਨਹੀ ਰਕਤੀ ॥ Saajan Meeth Bindh Nehee Rakathee || There were no friends or companions, no semen or blood. ਆਪੇ ਸਾਹੁ ਆਪੇ ਵਣਜਾਰਾ ਸਾਚੇ ਏਹੋ ਭਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੨॥ Aapae Saahu Aapae Vanajaaraa Saachae Eaeho Bhaaeidhaa ||12|| He Himself is the banker, and He Himself is the merchant. Such is the Pleasure of the Will of the True Lord. ||12|| ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਨ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ ॥ Baedh Kathaeb N Sinmrith Saasath || There were no Vedas, Korans or Bibles, no Simritees or Shaastras. ਪਾਠ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਉਦੈ ਨਹੀ ਆਸਤ ॥ Paath Puraan Oudhai Nehee Aasath || There was no recitation of the Puraanas, no sunrise or sunset. ਕਹਤਾ ਬਕਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਆਪੇ ਅਲਖੁ ਲਖਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੩॥ Kehathaa Bakathaa Aap Agochar Aapae Alakh Lakhaaeidhaa ||13|| The Unfathomable Lord Himself was the speaker and the preacher; the unseen Lord Himself saw everything. ||13|| ਜਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਣਾ ਤਾ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥ Jaa This Bhaanaa Thaa Jagath Oupaaeiaa || When He so willed, He created the world. ਬਾਝੁ ਕਲਾ ਆਡਾਣੁ ਰਹਾਇਆ ॥ Baajh Kalaa Aaddaan Rehaaeiaa || Without any supporting power, He sustained the universe. ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਉਪਾਏ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਵਧਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੪॥ Brehamaa Bisan Mehaes Oupaaeae Maaeiaa Mohu Vadhhaaeidhaa ||14|| He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva; He fostered enticement and attachment to Maya. ||14|| ਵਿਰਲੇ ਕਉ ਗੁਰਿ ਸਬਦੁ ਸੁਣਾਇਆ ॥ Viralae Ko Gur Sabadh Sunaaeiaa || How rare is that person who listens to the Word of the Guru's Shabad. ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਸਬਾਇਆ ॥ Kar Kar Dhaekhai Hukam Sabaaeiaa || He created the creation, and watches over it; the Hukam of His Command is over all. ਖੰਡ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਅਰੰਭੇ ਗੁਪਤਹੁ ਪਰਗਟੀ ਆਇਦਾ ॥੧੫॥ Khandd Brehamandd Paathaal Aranbhae Gupathahu Paragattee Aaeidhaa ||15|| He formed the planets, solar systems and nether regions, and brought what was hidden to manifestation. ||15|| ਤਾ ਕਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਈ ॥ Thaa Kaa Anth N Jaanai Koee || No one knows His limits. ਪੂਰੇ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਸੋਝੀ ਹੋਈ ॥ Poorae Gur Thae Sojhee Hoee || This understanding comes from the Perfect Guru. ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚਿ ਰਤੇ ਬਿਸਮਾਦੀ ਬਿਸਮ ਭਏ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੬॥੩॥੧੫॥ Naanak Saach Rathae Bisamaadhee Bisam Bheae Gun Gaaeidhaa ||16||3||15|| O Nanak, those who are attuned to the Truth are wonderstruck; singing His Glorious Praises, they are filled with wonder. ||16||3||15||
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  8. Their mothers or their mothers' brothers? ?
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  9. Sorry penji, but I still don’t agree with the statement you made. That comes across as discrimination, writing things like that. You are basing your own opinion on a few Naamdharis. But you clearly wrote they do more Naam jap than Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji believers, and exactly what does that mean? That they don’t believe in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji or that you have belittled those that call Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji their Guru? Because that’s exactly how it reads. Maybe you should have chosen different words to explain what you want to say. I still stand by what I said before, nobody can judge another person’s Naam jap apart from God. We are not God, when we should be working on ourselves, neither are we in any position to say so and so does more Naam jap than other. That’s just so wrong.
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  10. empty vessels make more noise ... stay befikar Guru ji is the only one who knows for sure and looking to Him for help is always a good choice
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  11. people get so tense and scared , it's silly. Guru jaani jaan aa ...and he is the most merciful ... a humble heart and mind is all we need and steadfast love
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  12. Agree with the above. He's just put a comic slant on it. Distasteful but harmless. The article is not intended for those who are seriously looking into Sikhi. It's sort of informative entertainment.
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  13. Punjab is the best. The birthplace of Sikhism and where Sikhi grew up. You are fortunate to come from Amritsar.
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  14. The same Rehitnama also says woman shouldn't be trusted and are deceitful. So by extension you're calling the mother of the Khalsa herself all this, as she was also a woman. I take it that's your view on your own mother too? I know you'll try and turn this on me but I have the undying respect for the Guru Mata, but that Rehitnama clearly doesn't. She is a woman, so by logic that applies to her too. No exceptions in Rehit, as none are above it. Even Guru Sahib himself bowed to Rehit. Not being sarcastic or snarky here bro but please enlighten us. I would love to know why Guru Sahib supposedly made this "no amrit for woman" rule, then he has himself baptised the Panj, and then got himself baptized and thus bound to it...and then suddenly just changes it himself. The same Guru who bowed to the wishes of the Panj and left Chamkaur, a testament to how strict he was in his own rehit...how according to you guys, he conveniently changed it. Denial of Amrit means denial of Sach Khand, all you're propagating here is what the Brahmins do. That woman aren't worthy of God.
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  15. since when has sikhi been about forcing people ? the choice is free will as well keeping up rehit obviously failing has a n effect which Guru Pita ji also stipulates ...did not Bhai Chaupa Singh ji's rehitname also say it was wrong to deny khanda di pahul to women ? Bibi Sharan Kaur who did antim sanksar of vadde sahibzadey and gursikh veer shaheed at Chamkaur Sahib , was she wrong to take a sword in hand and do the sewa ... it was free will as was Mata Bhag Kaur 's descision to stand side by side with her bretheren . Kaurs are just as worthy ...do not make it about doubting a father's protective instinct , love runs both ways a child will also strive to live up to the example of the parent.
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  16. what a fool the committee always takes a blind eye to this
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  17. Indian relatives can be the worst. I do intend on going back to india as a tourist also. Which will be alot more fun then spending time with money greedy relatives. I have mostly distant relations there also anyway on the nanake side.
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  18. That in itself is the stupidest thing I've ever seen or heard. Your Naamdhari friends need to really get their heads out of their pakhandi Babe's proverbial rear end. You can't be a muslim and a Sikh, do you want to know why? because you Muslims recite the Kalima which literally calls Guru Nanak Dev Ji false. Gurbani tells you where Muhammad went wrong and why his path is wrong. So tell me how both paths which say the other is false, how on earth its possible to be both. That alone has to be the peak of stupidity.
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  19. gorey like India because they can reliver the raj experience they reckon ... also their money goes further but even so they take the mick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B87KDXSapwQ
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  20. utility companies say whatever makes them money ...
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  21. Nice three dots.
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  22. errr have you not been paying attention to sikhnet and its activities w.r.t brown sikhs ? they fleece brown sikhs daswand for their own yoga based programs and infernal anti-sikh propaganda and yet promote themselves as better than those same brown sikhs ....that's racism too. I love how they openly accept Yogi Bhajan's analysis of Dasmesh Pita ji's mistakes for giving sikhi to Punjabis and propagate an attitude of we will improve on Guru ji's sikhi with our liberal manmat ways ...
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  23. I’m not being picky, and being brown has nothing to do with it. Like I said I wouldn’t go back for the relatives but to visit as a tourist instead. Nothing wrong in that, nobody can force anybody to stay with anybody they don’t like or have been treated badly by.
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  24. because stupid brown ones are opening their own jaat paat based ones , so they are just copying the stupidity and making it their own, also it makes it easier to spread their own sikh drama international messages .
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  25. you cannot believe Dasmesh Pita ji then how are able to claim belief in the Jot of Guru Nanak Dev ji ? If you cannot obey Guru Nanak Dev ji's jot then how are you a sikh? Guru Nanak Dev ji said This is your Guru forever there will be no other dehdhari Guru literally and they choose another ...so on all levels they are being hypocrites
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  26. Will do hopefully one day. What I saw I did not like. Sikhs who follow alot of hinduism. Many also have to speak in the hindi language apart from a few. Who spoke in Punjabi. To be honest felt like an outsuder in dehli. Thats why cant wait to visit Punjab. Just did not feel I had any connection here. Hopefully Punjab will change my view of India.Particulaly amritsar which is my home town.
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  27. There is no white gurdwara, there is no brown gurdwara, the gurus gurdwara has no color
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  28. just wish people had true faith in Guru ji not just what sant samaj and other guys want to promote...
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  29. I always feel that India is a place where being a sociopath is the norm. It is a country which prides itself on it's cunning. The country is a dump because no one cares, there is no value of life and they can be very indifferent to a lot of the problems. There is no rule of law because everyone seems to be trying to cut corners all the time. This is the reason why it takes a big shittar or danda to keep everyone in line. It is the only thing these people seem to respond to.
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  30. You havent seen poverty till you been to India Alot of apne go to punjab so dont see it as much but go to places like Delhi and its a big shock to the system I wouldnt say its overrated, the amount of historical places there and things to see makes it worthwhile but they deffo need to do something about the poverty problem there. I would say the situation there is worse than africa because i think most places in africa have access to clean water now
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  31. There you go then. Everyone hates it when they're kids. Your posts are pure exaggerations. Calm down, this isn't Star Plus. Go again once you've hit puberty.
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  32. They do indeed. I haven't been myself but after hearing other folks talking about their trips to the south, it sounds like a place you could certainly kick back and chill. Many rich westerners go to the south. There's a lot to see all over India. There's diversity in everything. In many ways, as you travel the length and breadth it wouldn't even seem like the same place. Apne tend to have a bias against India because they can't seperate the religious, political, and social. Not sure about the sundial although I think you're referring to Jantar Mantar, Delhi? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jantar_Mantar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jantar_Mantar,_New_Delhi The pyramidal structures are baoli's. Here's an amazing link: https://www.boredpanda.com/ancient-architecture-unesco-heritage-stepwell-victoria-lautman-india/ This whole topic is ridiculous - the OP's observations are generic (sounds like Southall tbh), there's places like that all over the world. Topic has been created to cause controversy out of sheer anti-India/Hinduphobic sentiments which the ignorant and unparh have or it's simply an attempt at trolling.
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  33. Are you really basing your view on a whole subcontinent after visiting one sh!tty city? You were in Delhi, why didn't you go? It's not far.
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  34. J cycle nai chal reha fer v nai. Sirf 5 dina krke poore mahine vch ik din v nai kar skde.. this is not right. Now I have to take birth in a male body to do the sewa.. what to say and do about this it’s disappointing...
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  35. Read that rehitnama after reading Charitropakhyan and see what you find........ We have to apply bibek buddi..... whatever that rehitnama or Charitropakyan says about women do you think me, nihang singhs or anyone who accepts both think the same about mata?? The point of contention with your next point is did Mai Bhago ever get given Khande di Pahul and become Mata Bhag 'Kaur' as is spread now/...... mata jis final resting astan is not to far from Hazur Sahib, its on the way to Nanak chera sahib.... go ask the locals there I have a lot of time for you as I know you are genuinely trying to learn and have made the effort with Sarb Loh granth etc but Im not going to comment on the denial of Sach Khand comment.... I ain't got the time to get into that now and my posts have to be 'approved' first lol.... but in short ofcourse I dont think that women are not worthy of god... thats absurd
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  36. It’s also the line of thought of Bhai Chaupa singh, Budha Dal & Hazur Sahib. people like you and the man made maryadas of ‘sants’ & sgpc would have us believe Dasam Patshah was the kind of man who would send daughters, wives & mothers to war!!!..... laughable!!! A sampooran yodha, soorma mahabali like Dasam Patsha is a protector of women.... not someone who puts them on the battlefield. Mai Bhago was an exception to the general rule.... there’s reasons for that... reasons you won’t understand
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