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    By this logic all translations, arths, teekas etc should just go out the window. Gurbani (including other Sikh writings) is subject to interpretation as it has many layers and so speaks to different people on different levels. Gurbani has no ant, therefore no translation etc is completely right. I was merely providing you with another line as a clearer example that aarti could well have been performed with divas. Just as you provided the former to try and definitively prove that it was not - even in that one it says that aarti was sung, it doesn't state it was strictly only sung; one could unambiguously assume that the accompanying ritual went along with it, that it need no mention, hence, me finding a different one to show that distinct possibility. You're trying to play a game of semantics, and a poor one at that. You're welcome to that opinion. You keep coming back to that quote stating that aarti is not to be done with divas - 1) not everybody is Taksali nor is Taksal the final authority on each and every thing in Sikhi nor does what they say apply to the whole panth 2) by saying (specifically) that a Gurmukh had to write it in a book, you are automatically implying that those who do aarti with candles are not Gurmukhs, an opinion which you have absolutely no foundation or evidence to hold. While Taksal is a respected Samparda, their members are generally biased and think only they have the correct form of Sikhi, which is what you are doing, which is flawed thinking. First you say "if aarti was clear cut", then you proceed to say "Bhai Gurdas ji would have not left it to ambiguous interpretations" - these statements contradict eachother. The aarti itself is not clear cut, the intention and devotion behind doing it differs amongst individuals - if one chooses to do it without divas, do it with divas, or do it with moving the divas around in a circular motion there shouldn't be a problem, none are wrong. Everybodys bhaav is not the same. In the case of divas one is honouring their Sargun Isht Dev and Spiritual & Temporal King with an ancient ceremony which, IMO and that of many others, is not considered against the teachings of Sikhi. We're not going to come to a consensus on this so lets leave it where it is. I no longer wish to discuss it. Although, I'm glad I've been able to have this discussion with you, without any hostility as is usually the case. Dhanvaad Jio.
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    VJKK VJKF It's a nice gurdwara aesthetically and there are good Gurmat activities like santhiya etc that go on inside. But nowadays we've lost the practicality aspect of our gurughar and forgotten that looks aren't everything. Havelock Road Gurdwara in Southall is one of the worst built Gurdwaras but it looks very nice - inside and out. It cost £17.5 million to make but was made by a gora who knew nothing about Sikhi; where are the meeting rooms? Where can the panth discuss or do veechaar? The darbar is made for sangat to listen to katha and Kirtan but where is the room for separate Q&A? 2 massive darbars and no meeting rooms for the panth to talk about or arrange events or to come together and discuss Sikhi with each other in saadhsangat.That's not a gurdwara. Infact most gurdwaras aren't built for their purpose anymore. It's sad really. Maharaj Kirpa the gurughar in the future will be more purpose built. Hopefully I haven't said anything that has hurt anyone. Vaheguru Ji.
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    Good points by Harbi Jee on manipulated version of Islam by the moorakh fanatics. They summarize the devlish nature of such belief, and the worse point is, that they are proud in creating and making way for the brainless. Secondly, what rubish is taht, that land has to be surrendered to Allah? If he ius the only god according to them, and he created everything, does not everything belong to him? why to paint out that spiritual reality with wicked human qualities? If that allah needs lands to be surrendered, than, sorry he is not god but a type of hitler... Once again, when we all know there is one creator, give him any name, what is his level of intelligence in this case, that he creates men, and then tell some to kill others because they donot believe in him? Utter rubbish, utter nonsense, utter madness. Anybody with a minimmum of common sense, if ever wants to know how that One God is like, and what are His attributes, can know all that, and much more with the simple yet complete in truth : Mool mantra. See the beauty, the love, the grace, the maginificence, the wisdom, the strentgth, the Truth, of that Lord creator, which we call Wahiguru Akal Purukh, it surpasses any descriptio and benevolence of that Primal Being. Though most know what it is, yet I am going to reproduce it below, for those who still do not know, how and what that Supreme Being is: Ek ong kaar, sat naam, karataa purakh, nirbho, nirvair Akaal moorat, ajoonee, saibhang, gur prasaad. Jap! Aad such, jugaad such, Hai bhee such, Naanak hosee bhee such. One Creator. Truth is His name. Doer of everything. Fearless, Revengeless, Undying, Unborn, Self illumined, The Guru's gift, Meditate! True in the beginning. True through all the ages. True even now. Oh Nanak it is forever true. Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Sat Sree Akal.
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    Exactly. Let’s not forget that one of the reasons the Sikh people, WE, don’t have a sovereign land is because the British cleverly destroyed our sovereignty. They then used us as fodder, and then humiliated us on numerous events. I can understand that for numerous British Sikhs, Britain holds a dear place for them, as it has provided a new life for them, but let’s not get too idealistic and forget that Britain was indebted to us, and not the other way around. Anyways, why waste energy on these things at all. Protect the women of our community, and all else from the Islamic groomers and mind our own business. The only problem that we need to be tackling is why are our British Sikh women getting caught up in these Muslim grooming cases in the first place? Why do they even initiate sexual relationships with Muslim men? That is what we need to be tackling. I’m not British, but when I heard news of Sikh women being targeted by Muslim groomers, I never once heard the EDL speaking against it, but now when their own women are being targeted, they’ve suddenly realized what happened to us as well. Imo, the EDL sees us as fodder to be used against Muslims. They plan on using our historical differences with Muslims to fuel our youth into going against Muslims, and I frankly think that energy should rather be spent in educating our children about Sikhi and who they can maintain relations with and working on making your lives better.
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    Sangat/ Members, are cordially invited to participate by sharing/posting riddles, and by answering them also. I wlll be posting some. If anybody anwers correctly, then congrats to them, if not, iafter a few days, I will be posting the answers also. Some of them here they go: 1) I can hurt, I can help, I'm kind, Sometimes I'm not, I can be said, You can hear me, Yet you can't see neither touch me. What am I? 2) There is a word. It has five letters. Its last three letters refer to a skill of creating objects. Its middle three letters refer to one of the parts found at either side of your head. Its first two letters signify a male. The first four letters of it is the ability to use its middle three letters to detect sound. Its whole is found in you. What word is it ? 3) What gets dirtier, the more one washes? 4) I am a word of six; my first three letters refer to an automobile; my last three letters refer to a household animal; my first four letters is a fish; my whole is found in your room. What am I? 5) I am a seven lettered word; my first three letters refer to a place a driver sits in a bus. My first five letters refer to a small room on a ship; my middle three letters is a container people put waste in. My last three letters refer to one which catches fish. My whole refer to a furniture with doors. What am I?
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    1. Islam is a MISSIONARY religion committed to CONVERSION, according to the Koran the world is divided up into 2 parts, Dar-as-Islam (House of Faith) a title which applies to all Islamic countries and Dar-al-Harb (Household of War), land not yet surrendered to Allah, which is the rest of the world. It is the duty of every Muslim to wage Jihad (Holy War) against Kafirs, infidels and non-believers what the Koran calls non-Muslims and make them submit to Islam. Violence against Kafirs is encouraged in the Koran, if gentle persuasion doesn't work. 2. Conversions of Sikh men and women is becoming an increasing problem, hundreds of reported and verified conversions in the last few years. Dozens of cases were reported in October 1995 alone, when the new academic year started also converted. Universities in London, Bradford and Luton are particular problem areas. 3. At the Hizb-ut-Tahrir ( HUT ) conference at the Wembley arena in August 1994, a Sikh was converted on stage in front of 8000 cheering and clapping Muslims. The Sikh girl then proceeded to attack Sikhism making particularly offensive statements against the Sikh Gurus. The audience laughed and continued to cheer. Some of this speech was televised on satellite T.V and on the HUTs pirate radio station. Muslim leaders at the conference called for an intensification of the campaign to bring Sikh and Hindu women to Islam. The same thing happened at HUTs Rally for Islam conference in Trafalgar Square, August 1995. This time 2 Hindu women were converted on stage in front of 2000 cheering Muslims. Again Muslim leaders demanded that Muslims boys try harder to convert Sikh and Hindu girls. 4. The self appointed Muslim parliament of Britain passed a resolution demanding that the British government make it illegal for Muslim women to marry non-Muslim. It also called for the banning of conversions of Muslims to other faiths. Any Muslim who did convert was to be stoned to death according Islamic tradition. Thankfully, the British government did not take their demand seriously, but the event showed the Muslims double standards and hypocrisy. 5. HUT leaders issued a directive in January 1995 to specially selected male members telling them to place Ads in personal columns of national newspapers inviting relationships from Asian women, they were told to write the religion and nationality of the girl were unimportant and be ambiguous about their own backgrounds by for example only describing themselves as Asian. They were further told to form intimate relationships specifically with Sikh girls with the aim of conversion. The expense of any dates were to be paid by the HUT. 6. Certain Muslims have taken to wearing Karas at Bhangra gigs with the aim of specifically seeking to meet Sikh girls. When meeting the Girls, these people identify themselves in such a way that the girl does not realise that they are Muslim, for example by shortening the name Mohammed to Mohan. They form relationships with the girl and begin the slow path to conversion. 7. A Muslim bent on converting somebody, will spin a web of lies. For example girl converts are tricked into believing that men and women are equal in Islam. They are not told that rape victims according to the Koran have produce 4 Male witnesses of good character to say that they were raped or they will be charged with adultery and stoned according to Islamic tradition (hundreds of cases where this has occurred are on file with Amnesty International, contact them for further information). Also according to the Koran, all a man has to do to divorce his wife is say Talaq 3 times. For women of course getting a divorce is much harder. Besides which what woman wants to share her husband with three other women. The new method that they are employing is to change their names by deed poll to Mohan Singh and Balraj Singh , they add surnames on to Gill and Hayer are two of there favorites. Please check the person you are going to marry and there credentials through your parents or close relatives NAMES MEAN NOTHING THERE ARE BEING CHANGED BY DEED POLL IT ONLY COSTS THEM A COUPLE OF HUNDRED POUNDS , SUPPLIED BY RADICAL MEMBERS OF HUT. 8. HUT leadership has instructed its members to specifically target problem groups of conversion. These include young teenage girls, people with social problems, the recently bereaved and victims of abuse as children. These people are considered to be weak willed and easily manipulated once identified the Muslim will try to convince their target that Islam will somehow solve all their problems. Incidentally in 1992 the hut produced an article telling Muslim men to particularly target non-Muslim girls with plain or unattractive physical, facial or body features. These girls the article said would not be accustomed to this attention and thus be easier to lure. It went on to say that the discomfort you may feel in such relationships, especially if intimate is only temporary however the rewards you will receive in Heaven will last for eternity. 9. The HUT has instructed Muslims to work in groups when converting, with one person forming a very close friendship with their target. The group then works to find out the strengths and weaknesses of the person involved and then will work accordingly. If for example, the person loves sport and is very athletic, they boast how Islam actively encourages sport and how some of the world's best sportsmen such as Muhammad Ali, Tyson and Imran Khan are Muslims. If the person has a strongly anti-white attitude, then they will stir up racial hatred against whites even more by talking about past white injustices against them. This policy has been used effectively with Afro-Caribbeans, with whom they talk about the slave trade and give Malcolm X as role model (Muslim groups leafleted black cinema audiences watching Malcolm X when it was released ). Similarly, the hard up have been offered well-paid jobs with Muslim businesses providing they convert. 10. Forced conversions do occur. There have been many documented cases when Sikh and Hindu girls have been taken to Pakistan by their Muslim boyfriends and forcibly converted. Those resisting are passed on to other Muslim men who keep the girl under lock and key, in some remote village without telephones. All the girls money and her passport are taken away. Other cases have occurred when Sikh and Hindu girls are photographed naked by their Muslim boyfriends, and are told to convert or else the photos will be published in magazines and sent to the girls family and friends. Conversions into Islam are are encouraged on those people who have Ignorance or Misunderstanding of Sikhi. Take time to understand your religion and educate others. Be aware of the subtlety of the process of conversion. Depending on the person's ignorance/ knowledge of Sikhi- the progressive undermining of Sikh Religion occurs through misquoting religious texts and falsifying historical events. The HUT and other Muslim groups have said that they aim to make FRANCE, an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC by the year 2015 and Britain by 2025 through CONVERSIONS, IMMIGRATION and high MUSLIM BIRTH RATES. Fanatics are on record as having vandalised books on Sikhism and religious texts such as the Guru Granth Sahib in Council, School, and college libraries. False propaganda and messages are written on covers and pages for the readers of the book. These messages usually attempts to UNDERMINE your faith by MISQUOTING religious texts and distorting reality. Check your local library especially if you live in an area with a history of trouble. Recent events have shown that radical Islamic groups have become increasingly envious of our Sikh prosperity in the West. Certain Islamic leaders have told worshippers to hurt kafir Sikhs economically. The Economist Magazine (June 17th 1995 edition ) reported that no Sikh youths took part in the Bradford riots, only Muslim males. Sikh businesses were attacked. In fact other reports state that older, masked Muslims ( thought to be HUT ) went down the streets ahead of everyone else, and specifically marked out Sikh shops with spray paint, for destruction by rioters following them. The HUT produced and circulated articles in universities, stating that Jewish and Sikh students were dogs and must be removed from higher education. (As reported in the Guardian, 31st October 1995 edition). The Muslims have realised that the power, respect, money and knowledge and influence brings makes us more powerful enemies. The harassment and bullying of Sikh students at schools and colleges (by such acts as the storming of West Thames college in Jan 1995) is part of a wider strategy. Sikh youths must strive to get highly educated as they possibly can. University students should act as role models and encourage younger members of the community to get an education. This will greatly benefit not only you and your family, but help your community. Muslim Youths have been instructed to infiltrate all organisations and positions of authority they can. They have also been told to keep their Islamic fundamentalist secret and subtly remove our community from a position within these organisations. For example, they have been directed to join Student Union bodies, the Media, anti-racist groups community groups, councils and political parties. http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.com/hut.htm
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    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Guru Roop Sangat Jeo, Bhai Gurinder Singh Mann Ji [uK] have done wonderful seva of formatting all the five articles on Sri Charitropakhyan into one beautiful file. Kindly download the attached pdf and please, please, please have a read and/or distribute it around. We need awareness in the panth.. please lets all play our role, no matter how big or small, in defending the honour of our Sri Guruji's pious Bani. Thanks! Gurfateh! SriCharitropakhyan.pdf Useful Links: http://www.sridasamgranth.com http://www.sridasam.org http://www.patshahi10.org http://www.searchgurbani.com http://www.nihangsingh.org http://www.santsipahi.org http://sikh-reality.blogspot.com http://sikhscriptures2english.blogspot.com http://khojee.wordpress.com http://www.scribd.com/khojee-wordpress-com http://www.scribd.com/mokhamsingh http://www.scribd.com/_pjs_ http://www.ik13.com
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    Just had a look. Its amazing. Wish we had a Gurdwara like that in the UK. Amazing design inside out. I liked how plain and simple the decor was. Nothing to overpowering.
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    Mehron is a pind next to moga, there they have a budha dal printing press and the print dasam granths and senchiya
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    when it comes to translating a person is to translate as what the original is saying and not as he see's fit. The latter is the wrong way of translating. If the definition of Aarti was implied from the beginning. When I provided the line of Bhai Gurdas ji, you should have said the candle lighting was implied and their was no need for you to go searching for a different line from Bhai Gurdas ji vaars. Since no other word in the first line I provided would have inferred anything on the word aarti as it clearly implies for you; candle lit aarti. If you had believed from the beginning aarti implied candle lit aarti, then you would have not questioned what ਕਰਿ means in the line you provided of Bhai Gurdas ji vaar. Let me remind you what you wrote: That's the worst comparison I have read. Chaur sahib can't be compared to aarti as you see it, with candles. Again you are making assumptions about the candles being part of aarti. Gurbani directly tells us to wave the chaur sahib over Guru Sahib. One of the Gurus waved the chaur sahib over the other Guru and carried water for him. This is specifically said in Gurbani. Yet in Gurbani there is no mention of aarti being done with lit candles or candles at all. Hence the two cannot be compared and you can't see the difference for some reason. If aarti was clear cut, a Gurmukh would not have had to write in a book to specifically say, do not light candles and do aarti. Bhai Gurdas ji would have been precise because he was writing about what the Gurus, Gurmukhs, and manmukh did. It is no mystery Bhai Gurdas ji vaars provide us with how Sikh practices were done. One example being how charan pahul was administered. Aarti is a very important Sikh practice and Bhai Gurdas ji would have not left it to ambiguous interpretations.
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    Pen Jee, No need to disclose so much about your marital intimacy, but only that much I will tell you, before and above any relation with anybody, we have a relation with our heavenly Father Wahiguru Akal Purukh. Maybe our worldy parents/relations do not reach out at all places we are, but for sure, He, our Mata/Pita, is watching us at times and places, so let us be a bit shameful. Over indulgence, over excercise than normal of what the body needs of sexual relationship between spouses, is called lust, this degrades us to lower levels of consciousness, even below beasts. Sikhee elevates our conciousness inwards and upwards, to those realms of spirituality, while kaam or lust, pulls us downwards and outwards, into maya and vikars. So sister, I think you yourself, and your husband are grown up adults, act wisely and in accordance to the teachings of our Guru Sahiban, through Gurbani. For being gursikhs, is something very high, not just as the verbal level. Stay blessed. Sat Sree Akal.
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    This is something that the sangat cannot say, this is something that you and your partner have to look at. In my opinion what happens between spouses should be between spouses. You guys know best.
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    What karma were we reaping when the Mughals were placing the limbs of our children, like necklaces, around their mothers' heads?? What sins had we committed when we were burned, butchered, and raped in the 80's? I'm not having a go, brother. I have these thoughts myself, but we need to separate the empire-building deeds of the elites, and untangle them from the idea that the average man and woman and the unknowing masses deserve everything that's coming their way.
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    A valuable lesson for a happier life
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    There is a Gurdwara in Dubai. Nishan Sahib is inside (as I think they can't fly it outside), and there are photos on the wall of the ruler (I cannot recall his name) visiting the Gurdwara. Other than that, it was a nice Gurdwara to visit.
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    Have you seen the purpose built Gurdwara in Dubai?
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    That's because it's a matter of interpretation. You're right in saying the translator has added in words but that's because he has also interpreted it as he see's fit. As for no mention of candles, it doesn't have to be mentioned as it is implied in this case. The definition of the word ਆਰਤੀ is enough. Asking for the specific mention of divas would be like asking for the different materials that should be used to make Chaur Sahib, and in what manner one should wave the chaur. Although English translations are often botched, I will still provide it for reference as it seems to fit: Having recited the Sohila and made supplication at night they distribute sacred food (prasad).
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    Thank you finally someone agrees with my point
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    As you will be aware December is quite a sombre time for us as with the shahidees of Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Ji just last month, our Sahibzaday and Mata Gujri Ji. They sacrificed their lives for us, something we can never give back. But maybe in a little way we can show our support. On the night of the shahidee rather that sleeping on a nice comfy bed we could sleep on the floor just to show our respect and support for our ancestors. Do a small ardass and sleep on the floor maybe with a rajai/duvet on the floor and a blanket on top, it is a small gesture I know but well worth it as Guru Ji is always watching and they will bless those who in their own small way acknowledge the sacrifices made by His family.
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    Not from their childhood. He was a different case. As criticism of Islam by Academia and public figures increase so does apostasy and laxity among muslims. All it requires is for people to think critically, and once that begins to happen, all abrahamic religions start to die from the inside out.
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    That's the long and short of it IMO.
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    The remaining unanswered 1 & 5 riddles are: 1) How do you make the number one disappear? Add the letter G and it’s “GONE” 5) Which is the most curious letter? Y?
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    Though I agree that men in general are losing their masculinity. The question still remains, why do Sikh women marry out with Muslims the most? If Muslims are more aggressive than Sikhs, well then Sikhs are more so than Hindus. But you don’t see their women running off with Muslim men at the rate our women do? Though I attribute that masculinity plays a huge part in attraction, I would like to mention that most UK Sikhs I’ve interacted with, like my cousins, are far more aggressive and masculine than their American/Canadian counterparts, so there definitely has to be more variables at play here. I’m also sure that Muslims despise us Sikhs more so than Hindus and thus target our women more than other women. But what really irks me is when you have our women standing up for Muslims, like Katy Sian. I don’t see any Muslim women reciprocating that, so what I’m trying to get at is what instills that feeling of love towards Muslims in our women? I think it comes down to years of our elders demonizing Muslims so much that our children, especially our women, begin empathizing with them. I personally think this is where the issue lies. But then again, our men to need become more masculine. And I don’t only mean aggressive, but also look the part. I’ve seen too many Amritdhari Sikhs that are overweight, unfit, and just look plain soft. These men need to harden up. Also as @MisterrSingh mentioned what the Muslims are doing, why don’t we actively bring womenfolk of other religions into our fold? Why is that we are letting our women marry out, yet ourselves do not marry out to bring other women into the fold. If Khurram can get a Sikh women to have Muslim children through simple attraction, then what’s stopping us. I often hear fellow Sikhs saying numbers aren’t important, but let’s be honest, it’s all a numbers game when the going gets tough.
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    There’s definitely an issue in the way we’re raising our females. Because out of all the girls from the diaspora, it’s Sikh girls that marry out with Muslims the most. This trend is becoming far too noticeable to ignore. Why are our females in the West, especially in the UK, marrying Muslims? I mean if they’re bent on marrying out then why not white Christians, or Punjabi Hindus? Why is it mostly Muslims? I can only attribute it to one thing and that is the parents. I personally think when our elders demonize Muslims, which by the way is rightly done - we have suffered too greatly at their hands, then the Muslim becomes a forbidden thing for the Sikh youth. When a parent tells their child that he/she cannot marry a Muslim at all, they realize that’s what they can’t have. And human psychology works in a way that you want to have what you can’t have, and so their ultimate act of rebellion becomes marrying a Muslim. And I think because of the frequent interactions Sikhs have with Muslims in the UK, and given that Muslims are found everywhere in the major cities of the UK, Sikh parents have to ingrain this rule of not marrying with Muslims sternly. Whereas in the US/Canada, we’re usually told it’s white people we can’t marry, and it’s not so surprising that when North American Sikhs do marry out, it’s usually with a white partner. So what I’m trying to get at is that perhaps parents shouldn’t even bring up Muslims, but that’s hard for us Sikhs, because so much of our latter history is intertwined with them. So how can we prevent ingraining in our children that Muslims are a forbidden fruit, that they have to have. I think it personally comes down to teaching them about the religion’s corrupted morality and the history of Muhammad.
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    Marriage, escorts, online pornography, philandering "with a gori" is not going to improve anything. You're dealing with sexual addiction, and even if you were to marry, and by the way no one should marry just to satisfy their sexual needs, its not going to fix the addiction. In fact I've heard of many marriages get destroyed due to partners being sexually addicted. You need to get to the root of the problem, which is your mentality. Your constantly thinking about sex because you aren't busy enough. Easy way to break away from all of this is to get busy, and I mean real busy. Burn yourself out each and every day, but do it with meaning and purpose. Define a purpose, apart from a religious one, in your life. What do you want to be in 10 years? Work towards that goal. I'm currently working towards becoming a physician, and day in and day out it's what keeps me going. I suggest you find a life goal, a major goal, and work towards it. Get off the Internet, its a great informative world, but its hell as well! Limit your Internet usage, or whatever outlet that you get your sexual material from, limit it and then cut it off completely. You mentioned you were visiting webcams at night, well maybe you need to tire yourself out so you aren't up at night browsing webcams. Go to the gym, work on your body, tire yourself out so that the only thing you're doing at night is sleeping. I'll just end off by saying that you will fail the first few times because you're addicted. And any addiction can't be cut off immediately, it takes time. You're gonna have to gradually cut off the porn consumption, and trust me, when you do that, all those sexual thoughts that cloud your mind will clear out. Put your focus to somewhere productive. And as far as Sikhi and meditation goes, when you feel most vulnerable, read Gurbani. It'll not only distract you but inspire you to control your kaam. Another thing where you said if you "let it out with a gori" is not going to fix any thing. Stop fetishizing white women, blonde women, women in general, and sexual pleasure isn't something that can be satiated, it has to be kept under check. So keep it under check!
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    We do things on our terms, not by linking arms with an organisation who will never be accepted and viewed as anything less than racist. I'm not suggesting all BF sympathisers are inclined towards discrimination based on race and religion. There's enough of us in this country to suggest we don't need to ride on the coat tails of a white organisation in order to be heard. Why allow a corrupt and ideologically corrupted media to dismiss our totally valid concerns when it comes to Islamic extremism because of the company we choose to keep? We need to be heard, not castigated as the bad guys for choosing to team-up with a fringe organisation. I think some of you Sikhs who don't have a visible Sikh identity are mistakenly under the assumption that you're somehow immune from the problems faced by your kesh-toting brethren. In general, we begin to tackle this problem by sitting down with our children, and talking to them. That's only possible by educating yourself on the issues at hand. You don't tackle this issue by linking arms with a group like BF. You'll lose the battle before it's even begun. If talking and dialogue is too much hassle for some of you, then take a leaf out of the Islamic book by scaring and threatening youngsters into compliance. Unfortunately, we've fast become a bunch of soft, middle-class faggots who don't have the balls for anything remotely dangerous unless its fiddling the system for monetary gain. The survival of our people and our faith in the face of an aggressive and dangerous minority is not a cause our lot find to be worth the trouble.
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    What is this "ect ect"? I always thought ECT was a type of psychiatric therapy which essentially uses electrocution to provide relief from mental disorders. It's a therapy I'd heavily recommend to "britain First" supporters. "indian community of Sikhs and hindus" ey? Thankfully, I'm not a part of that community so they can keep their respect to themselves.
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    Informal discussion or not, if I or anyone fails to understand what you’ve written in the first place, then there’s no point in writing at all as you won’t be able to get your arguments across. So whatever pride you take in not editing or making your argument understandable is in my opinion due to plain ignorance. How about instead of calling me an imbecile or fool, you back up your claims with relevant sources. Show me one relevant article that claims Sanskrit arose from Prakrit. You keep on harping about Sikhs in Punjab going through a process of “Sanskritization”; which I disagree with, no ones bringing back Sanskrit, Hindus love their Hindi now, yet I’ve never even lived in Punjab a single day of my life. I was born and raised in the West, so how did I go through “Sanskritization”. To deny that Punjabi comes from Sanskrit is to deny your heritage. Proto-Indo European language split into many languages of which we know there is Vedic Sanskrit and Old Persian. Vedic Sanskrit is nearly 5000 years old with it being spoken around 2000 BCE, where as Punjabi really emerged around 700 AD, so how exactly did Prakrit lead to Sanskrit? Can you please provide sources?
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    Rightly said, without Brahmgian one cannot be a Brahmin. And restricting the flow of knowledge to other people is not reflective of the actions of a Brahmgiani. It is unfair, unjust and reflective of narrow-mindedness.
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    Mind your language and how you refer to Sikh leaders. People like you are only good at writing nonsense.
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    Read about the life and role of one of the greatest Sikh leaders Master Tara Singh before writing nonsense about him.
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    The Path to a Sikh Renaissance I feel that we are in a dire need of a Sikh Renaissance, where Sikhs will be able to contribute to the world at their zenith. I believe we were heading to that point during Maharaja Ranjit's time but it dwindled from there on. I think that we as a community need a re-emergence, and realizing it and bringing it into reality should be our main and only priority for now. Hearing and seeing the Sikh youth in Punjab being gripped by drugs, and in certain parts of the Western world becoming unmotivated, and failing in life is disheartening to see. I think through the following steps, we can emerge as a powerful force, however it will take extreme strife. Here is what I think is needed: Sikhs need to spiritually reconnect with Sikhi Become entrepreneurial by creating new industries or by taking control of existing ones, as a means of gaining great economic resource which can then be channeled to the Sikh cause, think Bill Gates & Mark Zuckerberg type of entrepreneurial success and economic gain Put the Khalistan movement on the back burner for now, as it is only damaging and polarizing the community, and instead build ourselves up to a formidable level where we have a respected global image and can command power; and then bring back the movement through calculated ways and not martyrdom Refocus on being a Sikh, and not a Sikh-Hindu, and pledge allegiance to the Sikh cause by being a united community - agreeing on our future goals, this can only be done by having more parchariks like Jugraj Singh, and supporting them through economic resources which in itself can only be provided by entrepreneurial Sikhs mentioned in my second bullet point Having to set milestones and future goals such as Sikhs winning Nobel Prizes, Oscars, Pulitzer Prizes and etc. Encouragement for meaningful learning and education ( this is the need of the moment, why is it that most of the Sikh youth hates pursuing education, especially Sikhs from Punjab?); we need more Sikhs aiming for the Rhodes Scholarship Branch out into more reputable fields/industries - i.e. Science, Engineering, Medicine, Politics, Academia, Arts/Media, Technology, Business (this honestly is the crux of the Renaissance and I can see some of it already taking place in the Western world); I say this because most Sikhs join the Indian Army and most go for soldier as an occupation, but we need to step back and stop putting our lives on the line and instead need to focus on educating and securing our community through personal development Evolve and be more open - accept Sehajdari, Mona Sikhs, 3HO Sikhs, Sikh sects as a part of the community, the more the merrier, however gradually, with love, help them correct their ways Immigrate from Punjab to the Western world (however through legal means and with the intent of gaining meaningful education, i.e. studying at esteemed institutions in America/England/Canada and not some merit-less community colleges, and gaining reputable jobs), as this will allow Sikhs more global exposure and opportunity Increase our numbers through procreating more children or adopting children and raising them into the Sikh faith, and marrying out (i.e. bring spouses from other faiths/ethnicities into the Sikh fold through reason and willingness, not force like love jihad) Be clear in our focus, respect other communities, but do not advocate their causes (such as the Sikh Coalition standing up for Muslims and Hindus, this is not benefiting us) Reap the benefits of the system, and do not fight it or challenge it for the meantime, however retain allegiance to the Sikh cause (make use of the IITs in India, and Medical Colleges, and the student scholarships that send worthy students to Ivy Leagues); I think the Parsis have been most successful in this Become role models,and in turn inspire Sikh youth, and establish an encouraging network (often times the Sikhs that do attain success, are extremely averse against helping other Sikhs - this is wrong, as we need to create a community that encourages and supports individual success such as the Jewish people) Stop riding the coattails of our ancestors, and instead create new sagas of success in the present-day Uphold the warrior spirit, but put on a thinking cap so that communal decisions can turn out to be effective ones, and not ones that are conducted in the heat of the moment, which ultimately lead to little gain and more damage Revise Judeo-Christian influenced English translations of the GGS and translate the GGS into other major languages (Arabic, Russian, Chinese, French, Spanish) and Indo-Aryan languages (Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi, Marwari/Rajasthani, Bihari, Nepali) to make Sikhism more accessible and understandable for those interested Removal of caste altogether (it has no place in Sikhism, and any pride on ones caste should be absolutely condemned and derided - more Singh/Kaur surnames, zero gotras, let's get out of this tribal thinking) Although I may have repeated myself a few times, this is what I came up with at the moment. Feel free to criticize, discuss and contribute your thoughts about improving the Sikh community. Apologies in advance, if I've offended anyone.
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    By mentality what I meant was that we shouldn't always be thinking like we're warriors, and be prepared to engage in all-out war. What I meant is that we need to think more, be more calculative in our actions and decisions, especially ones about communal interests. But your comment, as well ones posted by other users echoing the same thought as you, has got me thinking that the only reason that Sikhi has survived, and that you or I exist today is due to the warrior spirit of our ancestors, meaning they didn't back down even in the face of adversity and against unfavorable odds. So I've made a change to the list, mentioning that we must uphold a warrior spirit of bravery and courage, but also think about where to apply that spirit i.e. for example all those Sikh jawans laying their lives down for India or our people standing up for Hindu/Muslim issue is pointless imo.
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    Points 2 and 3 did not occur to me at all, so thank you for these great additions.
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    Well, I think its impossible for us to secure a Khalistan in the current predicament that our community is in.We are too scattered, not only in terms of Sikhi, but also in terms of education, and thats why I think it would be wiser to focus our energy from Khalistan to education. Education is the one thing that can propel the Sikh community forward, and its the only thing we aren't focusing on. And by education I mean something that is going to make an uplift on our global identity as well as the basics such as every Sikh knowing Gurmukhi. I'm talking about striving to get to the upper echelons of professional degrees as well as having a learned person in every Sikh household. With education, Brahmanic influences can be removed from Sikhi, this is very evident in the Western world, where educated Sikh Americans do not confrom to pointless Punjabi superstitions, and instead ONLY follow what is written in the GGS. Take for example my extended family living in India. They are "Sikhs" but go and offer donations to some Hanuman temple, which is quite ironic. The reason they do this is because that's what the elders have passed down, who too were uneducated. Had any of my extended family members ever read the GGS cover to cover, they would know this practice is pointless, and would ultimately educate the remaining family members. Education is a NEED for our community, if we hope to survive. Punjab already has some great institutions like IIM Amritsar, Punjab University, Chandigarh, IIT Ropar and etc., however if you check the current students page, its usually a majority of Hindus, and not only Punjabi Hindus, but Hindus from all over India - this is very depressing to see. You can say there is bias and favoritism, however with good merit and marks, you're bound to get in somewhere worthwhile, however most Sikhs don't excel in studies. And why limit ourselves to Punjab, apply to universities in Delhi, Mumbai or heck even the Western world (nothing better than this), why not strive for the Ivy Leagues, Oxbridge, Canadian/AU/NZ unis. Don't limit ourselves to just Punjab Sikh-centered institutions, spread out and become Deans and members of Faculty at reputable unis like in America and help fellow Sikhs get in by creating networks (that's how the Jewish people do it, and clearly its working for them, so why not us). In terms of removing the warrior mentality, what I am trying to say is that we are too often thinking like warriors. If there is any issue, we're all immediately ready to raise our swords and get physical. When in fact we need to instead remain calm, and think strategically, before acting like warriors. I think we should preserve the warrior spirit within us instead, which is exactly what you described: being brave, independent and to add on, standing up for what's right. However, too many times we act like warriors without thinking clearly, and end up getting damaged more than we can sustain- post 1984 is a prime example of this. I'm not saying be cowards, all I'm saying is we need to be calm, collected and should make wise decisions that will be more effective than getting hyper at the drop of every issue. Just my personal thoughts, let me know what you think.
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    Agreed. I've made that change to the list. Could you elaborate on what regions though?
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    Bhaji, you said it, Guru Ji also writes in poetic sense. Yes, they write in poetic sense but the mistake we make is that things we don’t like we say they are poetic, you cannot pick and choose. Where Guru Ji is using poetic sense and metaphors then this can be seen and is beautiful, where Guru Ji gives straight forward references then we need to acknowledge. Dasam Granth Sahib Ji writes about chaubis avatar, are these all metaphors? Each section for each avatar, metaphor? The largest composition is Krishan Avatar, metaphor? There are three chandi dhi vaars, metaphors? Guru Nanak Dev Ji in a shabad talks about Ravan, metaphor? Ang 1410 Without the Guru, there is no spiritual wisdom; without Dharma, there is no meditation. Without Truth, there is no credit; without capital, there is no balance. ||23|| The mortals are sent into the world; then, they arise and depart. There is no joy in this. ||24|| Raam Chand, sad at heart, assembled his army and forces. The army of monkeys was at his service; his mind and body became eager for war. Raawan captured his wife Sita, and Lachhman was cursed to die. O Nanak, the Creator Lord is the Doer of all; He watches over all, and destroys what He has created. ||25|| In his mind, Raam Chand mourned for Sita and Lachhman. Then, he remembered Hanuman the monkey-god, who came to him. The misguided demon did not understand that God is the Doer of deeds. O Nanak, the actions of the Self-existent Lord cannot be erased. ||26|| The city of Lahore suffered terrible destruction for four hours. ||27|| Agreed, devis / devtay hold no significance for a Sikh , they are lower entities and are forms of joons like ours but if Guru Sahib Ji acknowledges their existence then who are we to deny it? It is so easy to call everything a metaphor, rather it is deep down our lack of understanding.
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    Demons have the nature of fighting between themselves bcz of Ignorance(Tamsic Nature Inborn). The Source is the Puratan 10th Patshahi Guru Prakash- this part was explained by Guru Gobind singh ji to Saadsangat while narrating the Story of Shukracharya and Demons. I wonder if Twareekh Khalsa has this Sakhi in it?
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    Mohinder pal So according to the theory above, the Christians, Jews and Muslims (in short the Abrahamic faiths) should not be fighting amongst themselves as they are descendents of the Demons...What's your source for the above?
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    Muslim and Christians Religions Both Originated from SHUKRCHARYA(Guru of Demons).Hindu Religion was Originated from Devtass.(That is Why Muslims and Hindus fight over Kashmir) bcz Kashmir is a Place of Rishi Kapalmuni(Father of Devataas and Demons-Ditti and Additi as their Mothers). Ultimately it s War between Gurmukhs and Manmukhs. and @ the end GURmukhs wins
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    sarbloh .... u can feel the difference ur self ... first hit ur head hard with gold karha .... then with heavy sarbloh karha ....
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    I don't know if I'm reading it wrong but to me 'aarti karke' sounds like something that was performed physically as opposed to only being sung.
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    Lol oh no. Thanks for letting me know