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I thought you would have apologized and removed that last line out of your post. However you Intend to justify yourself and act as If you have done no wrong at all. How dissappointing!!!!!

None of them were directed at you. If you want to go and romp with a muzzie guy that's your business, there's no need to constantly spam the forum with all your sexual fantasies. For someone that claims to be concerned about the image of Sikhi Saroop, you're doing an amazing job at demonstrating it (!).

That’s because your last 20% ruined the first 80% and it became 0.1%.

Why why why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why?????????????? Do you have to spit out your abnormal sexual fantasies on a religious site???????? why??????????? Stop it ........STOP IT!!!!! STOP IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!! OH WAHEGURU........... writing the above did take a lot of energy out of me. I hope your bad thoughts get ironed out by the burst of positive energy I have just sent you.

Simple reason is you can’t and you shouldn’t. But that’s only an option if you’ve thoroughly taught your children from a very early age about Sikhi. And I mean sit down and explain everything you yourself know to the children about Sikhi. My parents did this and naturally as I grew I began to compare the religion to other religious systems, and I realized the flaws they had and realized that Sikhi was best for me. Most Sikh youth get swayed by other religious converters because parents didn’t bother to impart Sikhi properly to children. Forcing your child to grow kes isn’t teaching our kids Sikhi. Telling them the meaning, importance behind it, and encouraging them to grow kes is what leads to teaching Sikhi. And if there’s someone who is willing to change religion for marrying someone, then no matter how many threats and fears you throw at the person, like Muslims do, will not make them realize and accept the religion. In fact you will be subjecting that individual to a life of misery and lie. And if someone has decided that religion is not something they want in their life at all, you can’t stop them either. And if someone has decided that God does not exist at all, then you once again cannot stop them. Those last two decisions are extreme and are usually undeterred by any means of persuasion. But by imparting Sikhi to our children, those who are most likely to follow a religion will follow Sikhi and will not be easily swayed to convert. But then again this is all a matter of ethics, morals and perspectives. Someone might rather wish to be gifted 72 virgin females in heaven rather than be absorbed back into the Creator.

Ruined a completely valid point with that ending. Please refrain from sharing such thoughts in future. Bare in mind that your sisters use this forum too.

Why are you even writing your sexual fantasies on here? Nobody else does that. Stop making it all about yourself. We get it you are attracted to other males, but that doesn’t mean others like you go and write their fantasies on a Sikhi website. That’s very immature to do, and makes one wonder why you do it. Sikhni penji is right, can you stop it, otherwise get help with your lustful thoughts that you feel the need to write them all over the forum.

Those who grew up in the 70's and 80's know who Britain first really are, they used to be called the BNP and the National Front before that, they are a fascist group and anyone who thinks they respect or get on with Sikhs should ask the elder generation about their previous incarnations.

Great responses, I worry a little that the new generation in our kaum are not prepared for the ideological competing tsumani's that faces their minds once they have access to the internet and are old enough to decide what to believe in. There was a time where people in our kaum were insulated and isolated from the various religious groups trying to convert them to their religion so they didnt have to worry about their identity or belief system. But now its all in their face if not at school, college or uni then at workplace or on social media and the internet in general. If its not abrahmics trying to groom and convert them then its the sly atheist's trying to put all the blame of crimes of few religioius nutjobs (usually Muslim) on all religions or on God. We do have basics of Sikhi and others who have tried to help combat this propaganda from other ideologies and to stay strong in Sikhi however it I feel is not enough we should not and can not reply on one group on the internet to hold the fort for the Sikh camp. We need ourselves to be the forts to keep Sikhs strong in their faith and to spread it so others may convert also. I say this because low self esteem young people of various backgrounds are searching for what they believe in and are being groomed to different paths by various very slick and sly propaganda campaigns for the soul reason of converting people to their faiths mostly done by christian and islamic groups. In my view Sikhi holds the answers to all the questions that life's great mysteries and questions holds, it is a perfect system and belief system. Yet the knowledge is not shared or weaponised for maximum effect to help sikh minds who may have been groomed to other belief systems. So for example I came across alot of lilly liberal Sikhs who say all religions teach the same thing. So I ask them so if they all teach the same thing converting to anther religion is not a problem right? Then some of them argue and some say yes no problem at all. Then I ask them ok if all religions are the same then why the need for creation of Sikhi? Why the sacrifices of so many heroic Sikhs and our beloved Guru's if all religions are the same and it didnt matter if they converted? They usually dont have an answer then..... and thats where their lack of knowledge of Sikhi has actually for all those years made them think Sikhi was ok with you converting to other faiths... or marrying someone of a different faith was ok.... or worshipping idols/photo's is ok .... or sikhs not allowed to eat meat...or believing our Guru's were God's. It is such misconceptions of Sikhi and ignorance that made them potential easy targets for grooming by other religions for conversion. The people in our kaum in generations past thought converting to another faith was akin to suicide, or so taboo it was unheard of to even think it. But nowadays people are free and open minded thinking everything is possible its all allowed.... because they have not been taught to obey the guru because the guru is the one that will save your soul in the after life. Not the middle eastern white man jesus who died on the cross and couldnt save himself or his followers at the time from being killed by the romans, not profit muhammad who committed countless crimes against women and non-believers that he couldnt save himself from being poisoned by bibi ayesha and wont be able to save himself on judgement day let alot anyone else through intercession and not the man made hindu idols who cant even save themselves from breaking how they gonna help you in your life troubles, not the buddha cos to his theory there was no God not atheism because according to their idiotic ideology and leading figures nothing can come out of nothing so nothing created the big bang and the universe. So Sikhi is the perfect belief system but it needs to be interpreted and message conveyed properly so that our youth are not ignorant and are strong and confident in their belief whenever a non-believer tries to groom them away from the Guru.

Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is one of the most beautiful recitations of Sukhmani Sahib I’ve ever had the pleasure of hearing:

VJKK VJKF, Sangat Ji, daas was blessed to read some sakhis about some gursikhs. I won't go into the whole story as I don't totally remember it but the main taat (essence) of the sakhi was that the ardaas of a Rehitvaan, Amritdhari Gursikh is always heard. I just wanted to know if this was true. I used to take everything I heard about Sikhi as true (mostly I do because I have a lot of sharda for Guru Ji and Sikhi) and I personally believe the taat of the sakhi but I'd rather be safe than sorry when it comes to the truest of the truest paths and when I'm not always sure I know that Guru Ji resides in Saadhsangat and so he will clear any queries so forgive me Ji. Vaheguru Ji.

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You don't happen to have a samagri list for all these Pujas by any chance do you? I wonder if you can get Mr. Muscle Havan Kund cleaner? And Aarti was and should always be done with Divas: https://www.scribd.com/doc/183005595/Arati-Arata-by-Dr-Kamalroop-Singh-Akali-Nihang-pdf

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He sat for many ages in the silence and discovered who He is. Ie Truth Then He created this Khel out if Pure Unconditional Love for us without any expectation of return, for us to discover what He did in a fraction of the time. The Gurus went further in this as per His Will, serving us GGSJi, the gyan of Truth that they discovered and earned through experience, on a plate. They made it as easy as possible for us.

Sorry Big_Tera, a fascist is a fascist, doesn't matter how good their marketing and PR has gotten, this idea that they've changed and are only against muslims now is just as wrong as them being against people of colour. If they said they were against extremism regardless of race or religion it would be one thing but they don't, there's plenty of extremism in the christian community but they ain't saying anything, they are fascists, plain and simple, and this idea that they have praise for Sikhs, they know that Sikhs have battled with Moghuls in the time of the Guru's and made the assumption that Sikhs are the natural enemy of Muslims because of this, someone should send them a press release and tell them that it's actually injustice that Sikhs are against, not any particular religion.

Malaysian-born Inderjeet Singh made university chaplain for Sikh students at University of British Columbia, a first such appointment in Canada https://asiasamachar.com/2017/11/28/16748/

fruitcake has nothing to do with gays

Ask your Muslim associates about the many inconsistencies in logic and various hypocrisies from the accepted account of Muhammed's life. I promise you you'll never again hear a peep from them regarding our Guru Sahibs. The question is do you have the fortitude and anakh to go that far?

Reading your replies to this post, although some of it is true, this topic is not about Britain as a nation, its in regards to Britain First which is an anti islamic group. Main issues in the UK are, girls born into 'Sikh' households with minimum knowledge on Sikhi being 'love' swept and in a lot of cases groomed by suleh. There have been cases where guys have converted aswell, with the majority either being part of gangs or general weirdos who have been brainwashed. In regards to your previous posts where you mention you fancy muslim guys with short hair... I am pretty sure Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj warned us about illicit relationships, particularly with muslims... so maybe you should look into that deeper and think where you stand due to your illicit relations with muslim men?

I thought Mata Sahib Kaur Ji was the incarnation of the woman in the 404th Charitar, not Chandi? as She desired to marry Akaal Purkh, Durga told her to do everything Akaal Purkh tells her to do so Akaal sends her to war against demons, She then prays for Akaal's help so he arrives to protect her and battle the demons. To fufil her desire of marriage to Akaal, She then incarnates as Mata Sahib Kaur Ji and becomes the mother of the Khalsa and "wife" of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Thus Akaal fufils her desire. The story you recounted, I've heard it but the entire thing was slightly different in the version I read. Basically Dusht Daman destroys the demons and Devi promises to serve him in Kalyug, in the form of a Shastar.

Ah, I see. She's probably doing it because it's meaningless and because this one small step is going to bring a whole lot of benefits. I don't believe their baptism is like Sikhi baptism.

The real question is what's not considered Bhamanvaad these days? I'm surprised someone hasn't declared shastar to be Bhamanvaad seeing as Devi Devte used them first. Now that you mention it, the whole concept makes more sense. Certainly cleared it up somewhat for me. Couldn't have said it better myself. Question for you now that you've started this Bhamanvaad, tell me more of the lineage of Guru Sahib i.e. Suryavanshi. I have only read about this briefly and people are reluctant to discuss it. Give us the jist. Chetaavani - you're in a highly Hinduphobic environment.

I did read the whole thing. And I don't see anthing wrong with it (the RSS thing was sarcasm too), in fact I find it more than believable.

Guru's Sikhs weren't Lilly liberal idiots that most Sikhs are today. The Guru's Sikhs of the past knew other religions were false and only Sikhi was worthy of being followed. Yes some of the religious scriptures in books of other religions are not false because they provide historical and religious context of how beliefs evolved but other religions are false because as gurbani said without the guru your soul will not be saved in this world......So we need to ask what has changed? What has changed is what is being taught in our households, online (social media / websites) and religious institutions....from my assessment it seems there's no passion, there is no conviction, no inspiring speeches in English, no fight left in them..... the granthi's and the preachers are too softly spoken like hippys not enough assertive no nonsense and passionate preaching.

Not push but provide assertive guidance. Sikhi is unique from other religions, if you read SGGS Ji you will see Guru Ji rejects the islamic and hindu rituals.... and speaks out against those inhumane rituals and practices and other social ill's of humanity. Is that religious tolerance? Some may say in today's snowflake westernised societies that is not tolerant and that is outspoken teachings and offending speech that may rock the boat.

"Remember that sometimes not getting what you want is a wonderful stroke of luck." "Nothing happens in life by accident, nothing occurs by chance. Nothing takes place without producing the opportunity for real and lasting benefit to you. The perfection of every moment may not be apparent to you, yet that will make the moment no less perfect." "Today I will ask my Higher Power to send me His best, and I will trust that all that is good will come to me. I will remember that sometimes we don't get what we want because God has something infinitely better in store for us." "Everyone has their own path. Walk yours with integrity and wish all others peace on their journey. When your paths merge, rejoice for their presence in your life. When the paths are separated, return to the wholeness of yourself, give thanks for the footprints left on your soul, and embrace the time to journey on your own." "You don't always need a plan. Sometimes you just need to breathe. Trust. Let go. And see what happens." "Your job is not to judge. Your job is not to figure out if someone deserves something. Your job is to lift the fallen, to restore the broken, and to heal the hurting." "You can only give away what you have inside. Become an instrument of love." "Kind words don't cost much. Yet they accomplish much."

I have no problem with turbaned headed men appearing with the EDL, just turbaned headed men appearing with the Congress party.As far as I know, no EDL members Have killed Sikhs, and no EDL members were involved in the Sikh massacre of 84

It is well known around the world that Homosexuality is very high among the muslim world and population. Some estimates put it that almost 40 to 60% of muslim males are homosexual or bisexual. Meaning they are attracted to both woman and man. Even in their religious scriptures rewards in heaven include young boys for them to induldge in their beastaly and depraved fanstasies. Some even say that their prophet Muhammad was a gay as he had a secret affair with another man. "Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic countries.To please the homosexuals among his followers muhamed promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls" Paksitan regulalrly aswell as other muslim nations tops the list of countrys with most internet searches for gay pornography. Meaning there is great amount of proof that they have high number of homos in their country. What could be the cause of this. Is it due to genetic factors caused by rampant inbreeding?

Why is this even important? That's something they should concern themselves with, not us.

No.

http://www.sikhvibes.com/kirtan/Akhand Keertani Jatha (AKJ)/Smaagams-Raaensabayees 2010/13 - Manchester Smaagam - May/01 - Thursday Evening/02 - Bhai Gurpreet Singh (Shimla) - jap man raam naam rasanaa.mp3 ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ਘਰੁ ੩ ॥ Raag Bilaaval, Fourth Mehla, Third House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਉਦਮ ਮਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ਜਿਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਰੇ ਤਿਉ ਕਰਨਾ ॥ Effort and intelligence come from God, the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts; as He wills, they act. ਜਿਉ ਨਟੂਆ ਤੰਤੁ ਵਜਾਏ ਤੰਤੀ ਤਿਉ ਵਾਜਹਿ ਜੰਤ ਜਨਾ ॥੧॥ As the violinist plays upon the strings of the violin, so does the Lord play the living beings. ||1|| ਜਪਿ ਮਨ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਸਨਾ ॥ Chant the Name of the Lord with your tongue, O mind. ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਿਖਤ ਲਿਖੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਸਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ According to the pre-ordained destiny written upon my forehead, I have found the Guru, and the Lord abides within my heart. ||1||Pause|| ਮਾਇਆ ਗਿਰਸਤਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਤੁ ਹੈ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਰਖਿ ਲੇਵਹੁ ਜਨੁ ਅਪਨਾ ॥ Entangled in Maya, the mortal wanders around. Save Your humble servant, O Lord, ਜਿਉ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦੁ ਹਰਣਾਖਸਿ ਗ੍ਰਸਿਓ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਖਿਓ ਹਰਿ ਸਰਨਾ ॥੨॥ as you saved Prahlaad from the clutches of Harnaakash; keep him in Your Sanctuary, Lord. ||2|| ਕਵਨ ਕਵਨ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਮਿਤਿ ਕਹੀਐ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਏ ਪਤਿਤ ਪਵੰਨਾ ॥ How can I describe the state and the condition, O Lord, of those many sinners you have purified? ਓਹੁ ਢੋਵੈ ਢੋਰ ਹਾਥਿ ਚਮੁ ਚਮਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਉਧਰਿਓ ਪਰਿਓ ਸਰਨਾ ॥੩॥ Ravi Daas, the leather-worker, who worked with hides and carried dead animals was saved, by entering the Lord's Sanctuary. ||3|| ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲ ਭਗਤ ਭਵ ਤਾਰਨ ਹਮ ਪਾਪੀ ਰਾਖੁ ਪਪਨਾ ॥ O God, Merciful to the meek, carry Your devotees across the world-ocean; I am a sinner - save me from sin! ਹਰਿ ਦਾਸਨ ਦਾਸ ਦਾਸ ਹਮ ਕਰੀਅਹੁ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸ ਦਾਸੰਨਾ ॥੪॥੧॥ O Lord, make me the slave of the slave of Your slaves; servant Nanak is the slave of Your slaves. ||4||1|| https://gurbaninow.com/shabad/2999/33954

Its probably because they're so deprived of female interaction. Same reason for this stuff going on in East Punjab. Its quite rampant there too.

VJKK VJKF Trust me Ji - heard so many different things from so many different people. Maharaj kirpa, I would say start doing 5 banis nitnem if you already do some sort of paath in the morning. If you don't then start to implement Japji Sahib into your life even if you just listen to it. Do you have any kind of nitnem right now? You don't need to specify what you do if you don't want to just if you have a routine or not. I'll try and help if I can after that. Hope that helps Ji. Vaheguru Ji.

I would not name this stepping into sihkee as "conversion", as it sounds something "missionary". Anyhow if any conversion takes place by practicing sikhee, for sure there is one, and that is a drastic change in one´s life, that is in changing oneself from a slave of the 5 chors and mind, becoming into a pure selfless devotee of Wahiguru Akal Purukh. That´s it. Nothing more, nothing less. And this "change" is most welcome. And for that we have to be most grateful to Him, at each step of our lives,from the very bottom of our being. Sat Sree Akal.

A) Yes, sikhee should be most welcome. It is a blessing of the Almighty, it is an unique opportunity in the human form, to become one with Him, through love, devotion, and His infinite Grace. While in other religons, you have a hierarchy and a multiplicity of gods, goddesses, devtas, etc, which just confuses a person, and derails one from the straightforward highway to the Supreme Lord Wahiguru Akal Purukh, thus keeps the jeevas entangled in the mayavee creation. And unlike other religions, which promise so many things after our departure from this plane of consciousness, in Sikhee, if one is sincere and faithful to Gurmat, one can realize that One supreme being in this very life. I am saying all this not just as a sikh, of which I am proud of being one, but as an human being also. Just see the greatness and the beauty of that One Supreme Lord, in the Mool Mantra, the base of Sikhee. Ik oankar, Sat Naam, Karataa purakh, Nirbhav, nirvair Akaal moorat, Ajoonee, saibhang, Gur prasaad Jap Aad such, jugaad such, Hai bhee such, Naanak hosee bhee such. He is the only One Creator. Truth, is His name. He is the doer of everything. He is fearless, he fears none He is Revengeless, He never dies, neither is He ever born, He is Self existent, His existence does not depend on any other being He is to be realized by the Guru's gift of grace, Meditate on Him. He was True in the beginning. He has been True through all the ages. He is True even now. Oh Nanak He is forever True. Can you see how gracefully, and in simple language, He who is indescribable by any mind, for He is beyond it and the senses, neither can He can be perceived by any tools or devices, yet He has been described in simple words for us humans, by Dhan Dhan Satguru Nanak Dev Maharaj. Once one sees the beauty by understanding what Guru Sahiban wants to convey us in these verses, and the magnificence of that Supreme Being, one just remains speechless, there is nothing more to be added.... B) Age is relatively important,as one does not know when shall one depart from this creation, so it is best to start our own research on this path of love, satisfy the mind and fully devote and engage oneself to His Lotus feet. God bless you. WAH E GURU

Well said Baji, any attachment with Maya includes children family Wife ect is nass waan (limited) Guru Shaib says if you have love for your Family, wife, children you should meet them in Sun Mandal, thats true love according to Sat Guru

Whats So Bad About Lust/kaam? You know something is wrong about it which is why you asked the question, so basically you already have an answer deep within yourself, isn't that a fact why you asked such a question to begin with? Why don't we ever ask "whats so bad about makki di roti, sarso da saag and lassi", because there is nothing bad and we know it. :D :D

^^^ Very nice replies above... Serial killer also enjoys killing people. Robbers also enjoy rob innocent people. Mughals were enjoying what they were doing to sikhs in past. Waheguru ji says that manukh (human) will continue to do things regardless even if it is bad. Only guidance we have is our bani, again and again guru sahib clearly states manukh to follow sikhi lifestyle in order to live our life on correct path.

MokhamSingh ji hit the nail on the head. We have to control kaam. Don't let is control you. There are sex addicts out there that revolve their entire existence around getting off. Their family-life suffers, their work suffers, they can't have any meaningful relationships with anyone. They can't even meditate on the naam because all they think about is sex. I think its impossible to abstain from completely, just don't let it take over your life. Lust is just a biochemical reaction. You see someone attractive and chemicals get released in the brain that make you feel lust. That's all it is. Once you learn to master it, you will see that is just a primal reaction hardwired into our brain. Just like feeling happy, sad, or mad. Don't make it the center of your existence because then you are falling into the trap of Maya. It isn't real. I apologize if I said anything wrong or offensive. EDIT: I would like to add, to all those young boys obsessing over that one girl that they think is so beautiful. Or the girls who feel the same about some guy they think is so handsome. Their looks are not permanent. Eventually, they will grow old and their looks will whither away. Their bodies will become ash after they have departed. What use is it being attached to something that isn't permanent? Finding a partner that has a compatible personality is more important. You will help each other grow spiritually and hopefully you will both become jivan mukht.

Khalsa Ji Physical relations before marriage is forbidden by Guru Ji as stated in Mukti Nama. Kaam can be a beautiful experience if it is our servant , Kaam can be a horrendous experience if we allow it to be our master.

This person is young, in their mid teens, so lets be civil with our respones. Dhanwaad

I read a news article recently that predicts that the muslim population of the UK will tripple by 2050 so at the moment they are about 2-3 million so by 2050 it will be 9 million which is 12% of the population. And as we know by demographics trends of islam once islamic population reaches about 10% then lives and rights of non-muslim host communities start to get trampled on. Already they are not even 5% and they are posing threats to our own different unique ethnic and religious communities. So what can be the possible solutions by those moronic appeasing politicians in european governments apart from drastic solution of banning islam or civil war with muslims which will probably come again like the balkans war of 90s but far worse. Strangely and coincidentally also it seems the A.I singularity is also due in the 2050's meaning A.I robotic machines will surpass human intelligence and most jobs will fall to robots and so the surplus human population stock will not be required for work and thus will be a burden for governments to sustain. This maybe a bit far fetched but plausible theory ....but Is the islamic demographic time bomb the convenient solution ...the convenient fall guy....which will be used to blame for social unrest in society while the elites in their protected and insulated ivory towers enjoy the high life away from the deadly violence and chaos that they know was coming because they planned the chess pieces in place for such a scenario to happen.

And you make sure you do all the pakhands of your loved religion( Hinduism), especially fasting on Karvachauth and doing Surya pooja Chaand pooja and all other poojas Hindus do( arti with lamps etc. etc.)

I'm also wondering if the use of the aad chand has similar origins - one of the other Kshatri lineages are called 'Somvanshi' or 'Chandarvanshi'? Of course I'm just speculating but do you think it's a possibility?

Bro are you an undercover RSS agent? 'Cus I think you just blew your cover. Jai Mata Di

Dusht Daman was a Monarch who reigned near current day Hazoor Sahib during Satyug, deciding to meditate on God he goes to Hemkunt Sahib and starts tapisya there to become one with God, he succeeds obviously. During his time there in a different region of the world Durga is battling demons again, the demons overwhelm her and she flees the battle field, from the katha I heard she became so weak she actually lost her corporeal form. Finding a Rishi doing tapisya she begs him to protect her. That Rishi is Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Maharaj. The Rishi protects her and the demon hoards come to him, demanding he hand over Devi. Rishi Ji is unafraid and prays to Waheguru who sends Dusht Daman to help, Dusht Daman (also being a warrior) razes the demon army along with an army of lions (created by Rishi JI from his lion matt), iirc Durga also takes part in the battle after Rishi Ji restores all her powers. It was during the time of Dusht Daman that Sarbloh Granth was written.