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  1. 19 11 2017 1) What costs more than riches but doesn't cost a penny; that's also hard to find yet easy to lose? 2) How can you make seven even? 3) If you have me, you want to share me. If you share me, you haven't got me. What am I? 4) What is so delicate that saying its name breaks it? 5) am free yet priceless, you can't own me but you can use me, you can't keep me but you can spend me. Once you lost me you can never have me back. What am I? Well, the answers are : 1) Friend 2) Drop the S 3) Secret 4) Silence 5)Time
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  2. In Afghanistan, the Persian dialect is known as Dari. This is spoken predominantly by the Tajiks whilst Pathans speak Pashto. There isn't a lot of love between Afghans and Iranians either. The modern Iranian generally have a more olive type complexion than we do. Georgians and Armenians resemble the Iranian more than we do. We as Punjabis ga-ga when we see someone with green eyes and then claim Persian/Greek ancestory when if it really was the common we would not even bat an eye-lid. There is a subtext of what is going on. The reality is that as a subcontinental people for several thousand years we have been invaded, pillaged and plundered. It brings great shame. The only great thing that has come out of our homeland in the last 2000 years is Sikhi. However, having Hindu ancestory brings great shame because we see it as being weak and cowardly. Plus with everything going in the last 4 decades has pushed some of our people to completely disown this part and create this new ancestory. There is an expression, " Yesterday's low caste hindu who becomes today's muslim will tomorrow claim Persian /Arab ancestory " I think that some level we are doing the same.
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  3. What is interesting about Persian is that after the Arab conquests in the 7th century, Persians were not able to speak their own mother tongue and were threatened to have their tongues cut out if they did. You are correct about the amount of arab loanwords in Punjabi. . I think some people think it came from Persian but do not realise that at one time Persian contained one third of it's vocabulary from Arabic but I think that has been reversed some what. Language is more than loanwords, it is grammar and sentence structure too. The reality is the "persian " in the Punjabi language is the result of conquest. There seems to be a degree of inferiority complex by some of our people.
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  4. If I recall correctly, a few months ago I put up a post on this forum highlighting some of the discrepancies in the Suraj Prakash. A mod took it down because he felt it would offend a majority of the forum. I, however, feel that Sikh Sangat is not emulative of it's much maligned reputation i.e. a forum full of fanatics. In the latter spirit, then, I ask that can someone then explain the following passage from another traditional text- Chibber's Bansavalinamah: 'Kahan Singh Trehan from Goindwal and a descendent of Guruji. As a Sardar (chief) Sikh sat at the Bunga (Akal Bunga, Akal Takhat) himself. Sikhs came to the fair (organised by) local residents circumabulating (the Harimandar). A Sikh going in front of them met these Sikhs and embraced them. (4) These Sikhs also hugged him lovingly. They loved him very much. After hugging each other when they departed. Kahan Singh ji saw that particular sikh when all those Sikhs separated. (5) He (Kahan Singh) sent a man to bring that Sikh to him. Kahan Singh ji asked,”O Sikh! Which Sikh are you, what caste are you called by?” Sikh stood there hugely embarrassed. Then Singh ji again said,”What Sikh are you known as?” (6) Then he said, “Sir, I am a Mazhabi Sikh (a sikh originally from a low caste)”. Then Singh ji ordered those other Sikhs to be brought in as well immediately. Those local Sikhs all arrived, The ones who had embraced and hugged this other sikh lovingly. (7) (Singh ji) spoke thus, “Bhai Sikhs, do you know this sikh?” All those said.”Yes sir”. (Singh ji) spoke thus, “Which sikh is he, what is his caste?” They said, sir, landowner sikh and he is known as ‘Sandhu’ (8)(usually a jat surname but occasionally lower castes also may have this surname) Then he was asked in front of these Sikhs. “Bhai Sikh! What is your caste? He mentioned, ‘Mazhabi’ (sikh from low castes ) The local Sikhs were surprised on hearing this. These Sikhs said, “Sir, he has eaten food with us” (9) All of us Sikhs have served him food making him sit in our own kitchen. (persons of lower castes were not allowed to enter kitchen of higher caste persons) Food in (our) plate and water in the bowl was given to him to drink. This sikh (had) said ‘I am landowner sikh and am a local resident of Amritsar” All Sikhs have served him with food in their own homes one by one. (10) Singh ji asked (the ‘Mazhabi’ Sikh), “Why Bhai! Why did you do this?” He said,”Sir, I am sorry. I forgot (went astray)”. (Bhai Kahan Singh)Spake thus,”It is not you who forgot (went astry), it is these (Sikhs) who forgot (went astray). They only saw Guru’s insignia, didn’t see your body (person).” (11) Bhai Sikha! How could you forget? Why didn’t you check for your mother, father, brother, sister or relatives? Those in whose family you were born, grew up and had food together and socialise. How did you forget that (you are from that) family? (12) It is these Sikhs who got misled by just recognising Guru’s symbols. Why did you forget? You seem to be fairly knowledgable. You have done this intentionally. It is these Sikhs who got misled who saw only Guru’s symbols. (13) Following just the Guru’s symbols these Sikhs got misled. So that nobody may repeat this mistake (in the future). A barber was called and his hair were shaved. Making him sit on a donkey was taken around the town. (14) He was hanged by the side of Tunda Sar (a water pond ) And (Kahan Singh) asked this to the local resident Sikhs. “You arrange a Yag (a sacred purification Hindu worship), do Gurpurab, and prepare Parsad”. “You were misled by Guru’s symbols, so you are not stigmatised by this”. (15) “Do not talk about this in the township” “Keep the tenets of Sikhism in your mind”. “The Turks (muslim rulers) are eager to find faults lest some trouble arises” “There should not be any gossiping about this in the township at all”. (16) All the Sikhs said,”Sir, you did the right thing that you punished him”. None would repeat such a thing again. It created such a fear and respect for Sikhism. That even if someone dropped a thing somewhere, it would continue lying there, and no one would take it away. (17) (Fourteenth Chapter of “Bansavalinama Dasan Patshaheean Ka” “Genealogy of ten patshahis”) I don't claim any expertise on Sikh literature/historicity, but Chibber's narration does not fit in with an already established chronology regarding Baba Kahan Singh Ji. The Baba (let's get over his differences with Baba Banda Singh) is said to have catered to the lower castes and raised them to the levels of the higher castes. Initially I asked a Taksali Singh to explain this passage to me. The most he could say was that the text dealt with telling lies although it is evident that Baba Kahan Singh Ji, for Chibber, has the Singh executed for refusing to follow traditional Caste norms. Has the text been corrupted? Dr. Ganda Singh, utilizing the Suraj Prakash as a case study, had the following to say regarding the corruption of historic Sikh texts: 'Some writers allege that the reason for the rejection of Ram Rai was that he was born of a handmaid (Cunningham, p. 62). It would have been preposterous for him, as Narang says. to prefer this claim, if he had been born in that way. Really he had the same mother as Har Krishan. The story of Guru Har Rai having married seven wives, who were all sisters, is found only in one MS of Suraj Prakash and is written on unpaged leaves which are clearly an interpolation. Unfortunately this copy became the basis of the editions nowadays in vogue. Other copies mention only one marriage. Mahima Prakash, which is much older than this book, also mentions only one wife. See on this point the annotation of Bhai Vir Singh on Suraj Prakash.' -Dr. Ganda Singh, Baba Teja Singh; 'A Short History of the Sikhs,' vol. i, pg. 48. The mod in question informed me, last time, that the other thread would only be resurrected when he/she established the veracity of my post. Obviously by begging the question no veracity can be established much less manifested; I pray, then, that this thread be left open for some constructive debate on Sikh literature and/or it's authenticity on some points.
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  5. I used to believe this until I started managing my brother's matrimony profile a year ago who received lots of interest from girls who are looking for non trimmer , vegetarian and religious. My brother being less religious created more problem for him in finding life partner. The main factors that people see in India for marriage is how much a guy earn , how much property his family own and what the status of his family.If by any chance .If by any chance your these factors are on weak side then even super gursikh families won't consider you as rishta
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  6. When a person wants to call Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as their Guru. They break all ties with a human leader and go bow at Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji feet. Ambedkar and his followers wanted to become Sikh but Ambedkar was rejected so HIS 5 million followers and he joined another religion. There is an inherent problem with this poor decision. These 5 million people already have a leader, so how can they join Sikhi? They clearly showed Ambedkar is their leader and they will do whatever he says and not Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. If they had told the fake leader, Ambedkar regardless of your decision, we will join Sikhi. Then they would have been Sikhs by heart and welcomed with open arms. Ambedkar displayed all signs of a cult leader. The cult mentality is what Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji warns us of and tells us to follow the Guru only. If these people had truly had the desire to join Sikhi. They would have done so by making this very decision without and cult leader directing them. Many so called low caste people have joined Sikhi. They broke ties with cult leaders. This was a stunt by Ambedkar to show how much power he has and Krishna tried to show the same in his time. But Krishna failed and so did Ambedkar. Glory always belongs to Vaheguru; when will these foolish people learn.
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  7. Excuse me but Sri Shahid Baba Ravan Ji 1000000000000000000007.
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  8. VJKK VJKF Sangat Ji, please put up your favourite bani panktis as I would like read more bani that I can understand and taste the giaan of. Vaheguru Ji.
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  9. We would also have a far deeper presence in the Gangetic Plains. No British, no East India Company, no Purbia /Bihari army with no mutiny. The last remaining mughals would have been finished off a lot quicker. Awadh, Agra, Lucknow would have fallen into Sikh hands. There would be a link of Sikhi stretching all the way to Patna.
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  10. THIS IS EPIC A man was being interviewed for a post of a commando in the Army... Interviewer : we want a person with a suspicious mind, always alert, ready to attack, acute sense of hearing, detective ability, and most importantly, having a killer instinct ! So do you think you are eligible ? Man: Sir .... can my wife apply ? Made for each other.. Relationship is easy, when spouses know each other Here are 2 classic examples: 1) A husband comes home after attending a club meeting. He tells his wife,“Dear there was a drinking competition after meeting today.” His wife spontaneously..., “Who got the second position?” 2) A wife tells her husband, “Dear there was a letter for you. It’s written on the envelope, ‘Private and confidential.’” The husband casually asks, “What was written inside?" Great understanding of each other.
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  11. I say well done to those guys. The committee sell out above was probably the one who invited him to the Gurdwara. This should happen at every Gurdwara where the Indian dogs come to spy on the Sikhs.
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  12. I would hope that Khalsa empire would have been consolidated with the territories been gained. It would have expanded southward over the Sutlej towards Delhi as there would be no Cis Sutlej agreement with the Brits. The Khalsa Empire would have expanded into Sindh (since there are significant Nanakpanthis in Sindh ). Khalsa Empire would have a seaport since Sindh is by the coast. This would mean that there would be a Khalsa Navy. With coastal trade links, Sikhi would expand across the Indian Ocean. The Sikh population would be larger and I think more Hindus and Muslims would become Sikh. There may have been potential conflict with the Russians as there would no Brits to act as a buffer with the Great Game. With the Industrial Revolution in Europe and Meiji Restoration in Japan in the 1800's there may very well have been some kind of modernisation in industry with the Khalsa Empire. The Punjabi Sikh diaspora would be far smaller because there would be no British Empire to spread the Punjabi Sikh population far and wide. However, we would see Sikhi have a diverse flavour with many different ethnicities being Sikh. In order for the Khalsa Empire to thrive, it would have to transform from being based on some monarchy into something very different. Maybe more panj pyareh orientated perhaps.
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  13. Had it been well administered and Maharaja Ranjit Singh been a far sighted leader, it would have still been a Sikh kingdom.
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  14. I Know, right! Anyway the last Bibi from GOI who tried to outshine Guru ji got told to her face 'you did nothing special by coming here , even if you were to sacrifice your life the number of rom you have on your body then you could never come close to repaying the debt you owe to Guru Maharaj if it wasn't for him you would be reading namaz .
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  15. yeah yeah yeah ....we remember the thousands that are unfairly forgotten by justice and we are atvadi khalistani yadda yadda yadda 'why don't you forget it' and they still burn effigies of Ravan because of sita thousands of years later - idiots Indian establishment has no right to make political headlines within our King's court ANYWHERE ...
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  16. you should make an account penji.
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  18. Quite good, 3 out of five.
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  19. Now , Punjabi police accuse Jagtar Johal of shooting Bambi and JR Ewing.I would laugh if it was not heartbreaking.Free juggy, bring our boy back home
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  20. I said "some" seem to have a "degree " of inferiority complex. It's like English language. It's a Germanic language coming from Angles who were a tribe/people from Northern Germany like the Saxons which is why they call anglo speaking people Anglo -Saxon. If we use the Punjabi language analogy by "some" of our people then all the English people are German. However, if you have ever been to Germany (like Saxony states where Saxons came from) and have a look at the German compared to the average English person then you will notice a big difference. I would say the average German is far blonder, taller and even their features are slightly different. What would be likely is that the Anglo Saxon migration would have a bigger linguistic and cultural impact but a minimal genetic impact. Then we have had the Norman invasion, the word "Norman" comes from the word "Norsemen " who were Vikings that settled in Normandy in Northern France. Since they were French speakers, I am sure that a lot of French loan words were introduced into the English language but I'm sure the English are not French. However, the Brits (people of England,Scotland, Ireland and Wales) are related to Brittany in Northern France which is why Britain is called "Great Britain". Like I said before there is some cultural overlap but it is not simple as we like to think. Another example are the Azeris of Northern Iran. Azeris are the same stock as the Persians who after being run over by the Turkic speaking peoples changed over their language from Iranian/Persian related to a Turkic one. However, they are not genetically Mongols or Turks from Siberia. Same can be said in regards to modern Turkey to some extent.
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  21. Well then why not learn Arabic while you're at it as well. I'll argue that Punjabi has more words borrowed from Arabic than Farsi, words like haq, rabb, dunya, sawaal, jawaab, kitaab, quam, insan, mushkil, mubarakan, maut, qanun, ijat, barkat, shukr, mujrim, qursi - these are just a few of the many that I recall. What I'm trying to get at it is that just because we have borrowed words from other languages, which is a very commonly seen phenomenon in linguistics and is referred to as loanwords, doesn't mean our language has roots in the language borrowed from. Punjabi and Punjabis have no roots in Farsi or Arabic, so I don't know why some of our own claim that. If anything Punjabi has roots in Sanskrit, but it is an apabrahmsha meaning a corrupted version of Sanskrit - like all present day Indo-Aryan languages. You're right in saying that when Sikhs had the chance to spread Punjabi/Gurmukhi, we didn't, and that was our biggest mistake. Honestly, we could have been like the Arabs, we could have spread our culture and language to the ends of South Asia, but unfortunately due to poor leaders we failed to do so. And I reiterate again, learning a new language is a great intellectual pursuit and everyone should take part, but don't suggest that it is imperative that Sikhs learn Farsi or Arabic because we have roots in those languages, that’s simply not true.
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  22. However, it is always assumed influence flows in one direction. Ironically in pre-Islamic Persian empire the lingua franca was Aramaic. Which is interesting because the scripts of Central Asian Buddhism were in Karaghost script which was a script based on the Aramaic one.
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  23. Persian would have influenced Punjabi because Punjab was under the control of Mughals and the likes of Lodhi who were central asians and Afghans where Persian was lingua franca. In the same way English is lingua franca for Modern India.
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  24. 1) WORDS 2)HEART 3)WATER 4)CARPET 5)CABINET
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  25. Dear Pen Jee, very sorry to listen about your unpleasant present situation. Anyhow, please remove the idea of suiciding, that beast of your "husband", just does not deserve your kindness and any feelings. this type of people should be treated, as beasts, means whipping them, to make them drink their own medicine ... Secondly, do not take Amrit as something small or unimportant. It is not like having a guarantee card, that by having it, we shall not have to face our past karam. No. That is not the right attitude. Taking Amrit, is an expression of unconditional love for Wahiguru Akal Purukh. It is to make us consciouss to love Him under all circumstances. To love Him, is also to stay like a faithful kookar, at His darbar, for if we leave His door, there is no anchor for our souls to rest. Yamraj and his doots, are eagerly waiting as criminals to loot us, to pull and drag us to the wheel of 84, so sister, never ever even think of leaving His door. Live with dignity in His bhaana in whatever place your destiny takes you, He is Dayalu, and He will surely shower His daya meher on you. Pen Jee, God bless you. Sat Sree Akal.
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  26. This poster is always arguing against punj pyare leading anything in Sikhi or otherwise. The current set up of worldly people is not working in any country no matter their level of education, including SGPC (which includes their Jathedar's). You can teach these worldly people all the ethics and morals they want but it all comes down to these people cheating, lying and defrauding the voters. He has more faith in worldly people than punj pyare. The punj pyare have a long history of laying their lives for Gurmat because their teachings are engraved in them. They cannot be separated. Yet this poster argues against the very people who have morals and ethics. Some have grown accustomed to slavery that they think its the warm blanket keeping them from the cold. Since he has 1000% doubt in the punj pyare, taking Amrit is a far inconceivable concept for him. But Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji had 1000% trust in the punj pyare as he showed us.
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  27. well done. I had one done some time ago and so did a good friend of mine. I needed it at the time because i was having an identity crisis that was mostly due to my non-punjjabi/non-brown surroundings >>>It 's when i became proud of my ancestry origins and realised that jatts weren a RACE of people and not really a cast>as most sikhs think. Recommend you have a good read read of these books below........ History of the Jats by by Kalika Ranjan Qanungo Ancestral Roots of the Jats: DNA Revelations...by David G Mahal also check the link http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/17669/8/08_chapter 1.pdf You should get a better understanding about the general and distinct physiques and features of jat race. Surprisingly you should learn that jat comes from the word "ajaat" that means "casteless"..
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  28. It's not a complex language, bro. Arabic is a complex language. The grammar is complex. You have different forms for singular, plural, 3 or more people, whether they are present in front of you or not, etc. Pronunciation is difficult for us because there are sounds which we are not familiar with. There are fewer words with which we as Punjabis are familiar. Persian, by contrast, is arguably simpler than Punjabi, because, e.g., it doesn't have grammatical gender. The sounds are easier for us to pronounce (there are only a handful that don't exist in desi Punjabi, but they do exist in urban Punjabi or Urdu, so you've probably already heard the sounds). Many of the words also exist in Punjabi, so that means there's a foothold for us to hang on to while figuring out the meaning of a sentence. Learning Persian for us is like crossing a lake with a paddle-boat. Learning Arabic for us is like trying to cross the Pacific Ocean with a life jacket from the bottom of your airplane seat. Oh, and Arabic is a non-Indo-European language. Persian is Indo-European (like Punjabi, of course).
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  29. Good point. It would be amazing to see a revival of Farsi in our quam though - some oldies rave about it, and I wish I had the himmat to learn such a complex language.
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  30. the true is punjabi women were 4q by persians greeks arabs turks muslims british hindus , what has changed
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