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25000 ISIS radicals are on the uk watch list of the secret services, god knows how many more sympathisers.These people believe in violence and slavery for non-believers, like the treatment of yazidis.Sikh groups can not highlight these dangers as it may upset the liberal elite.Who did a great job of news black out on the grooming gangs of Rochdale, Oxford, Newcastle etc

Enough respect to Sikh Youth UK and even to Tommy as he might not be a Sikh, but at least he doing more than most so called 'sikhs' in the war against grooming gangs and a religion who has always wanted to finish us from the days of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. To all the jokers who are saying Sikh Youth and Tommy are the bad ones, then ask those girls whether Sikh or not how they feel after being abused by suleh? ask their families? Ask those families who have lost their daughters after they been brainwashed and legged it with suleh? Ask those apneh mundeh who been attacked by massive groups of suleh in schools, colleges, unis etc? Ask those who have had family members killed by suleh? F*ck your liberal <banned word filter activated>, this is the real world and on street level and reality suleh are and have been doing this <banned word filter activated> in the UK for at least 30 odd years, if not more. I can see problem now developing in Canada (its a fantasy apneh run Canada, they too busy fighting amongst themselves), somalian gangs in vancouver, afghans in toronto, suleh in Calgary are already grooming Sikh girls, in the USA this issue is happening now too. Its time to wake up, we has a nation are already 30 years to late, our own people slated the original Shere Punjab and yet what them mans told the world in the late 80's/early 90s is now being accepted by the world. Wake up, warn and educate yourselves, your family and friends about the dangers of the suleh we are surrounded by.

Please elaborate how I propagate tyranny. Who is the tyranny against?

maya throughout gurbani and sakhian has been called enticer, trickster and other negative names for a reason because she/it keeps the manukh trapped in a delusion instead of remembering Akal Purakh, to forget the true purpose of life , so to name a person after such a force instead of Akal Purakh's gun/names is to dedicate that child to that force. Just because hindus name their children allsorts doesn't make it a valid choice for us ,

Guest lostsingh jee, following are some soothing Sat Bachans on this topic, and its solution also by Guru Jee, pay attention to them and free yourself from this chor, for in the Sat Bachans of Guru Sahiban, is the power of Wahiguru Akal Purukh Himself, the destroyer of this weakness, and as well as all other negative tendencies of the mind : ਹੇ ਕਾਮੰ ਨਰਕ ਬਿਸ੍ਰਾਮੰ ਬਹੁ ਜੋਨੀ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਵਣਹ ॥ Hae Kaaman Narak Bisraaman Bahu Jonee Bhramaavaneh || O sexual desire, you lead the mortals to hell; you make them wander in reincarnation through countless species. ਚਿਤ ਹਰਣੰ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਲੋਕ ਗੰਮ੍ਯ੍ਯੰ ਜਪ ਤਪ ਸੀਲ ਬਿਦਾਰਣਹ ॥ Chith Haranan Thrai Lok Ganmyan Jap Thap Seel Bidhaaraneh || You cheat the consciousness, and pervade the three worlds. You destroy meditation, penance and virtue. ਅਲਪ ਸੁਖ ਅਵਿਤ ਚੰਚਲ ਊਚ ਨੀਚ ਸਮਾਵਣਹ ॥ Alap Sukh Avith Chanchal Ooch Neech Samaavaneh || But you give only shallow pleasure, while you make the mortals weak and unsteady; you pervade the high and the low. ਤਵ ਭੈ ਬਿਮੁੰਚਿਤ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਮ ਓਟ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਰਾਇਣਹ ॥੪੬॥ Thav Bhai Bimunchith Saadhh Sangam Outt Naanak Naaraaeineh ||46|| Your fear is dispelled in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, O Nanak, through the Protection and Support of the Lord. ||46|| Sat Sree Akal.

There is a Sikh girl named Amaya. I would not say that her parents belong to the religious group. People in our community tend to believe that Sikhi gives you options to choose. Well, God has given all the free will to choose between religion and maya and between specifically which religion you would want to follow. However, God is also the one who makes people forget about him and he is the one who reminds people about his existence too. Tudh aap vishoreya aap milaya. We as Sikhs need to understand that God is still in control. Who are we to judge people. A good example is if you met Jagraj Singh before he was a devoted Sikh, would you have the same to say about him 10 years later? You never know who God is going to choose to become a devoted and blessed Gursikh next. Apne karam ki ghat mae kya jaanu, says bhagat Ji. Judging others is wrong. Looking at so and so and criticizing them is wrong. We are supposed to look at our own selves. If we keep looking at others, then we are neglecting ourselves - it is ourselves that we need to improve. Hum nahi change bura nahi koi. Realise that everybody is at a different level - however we will all get there in the end.

Of course I am a right wing bigot. I express and make my own opinions and don't read those publications. I read the Guardian (probably one of your favourite sources) as well as whole host of other various sources from all political persuasions. I will express my opinions and provide my own critical analysis of what I think is happening. It might not be your cup of tea but it is my point of view.

You have given your whole game away. You've provided exactly what I said you were. I have given ample examples, yet you come back with more questions. Which means my assessment was correct. You'll come back I'm sure with asking of an example of the example I have provided.

For starters, it seems that any Sikh orgs that do speak out against what's happening in general that may have "some" shared views with those that seem to be not of the liberal/left persuasion is seen as an abomination by left wing Sikhs. It leads to me to believe that you are clearly on the left of the political spectrum. There is nothing wrong in being on the left of the spectrum. However, the left of the spectrum these days which claim to be tolerant and inclusive except they are very selective as to whom they are tolerant towards. Now with the increase in muslim population has meant an increase in certain crimes such as organised street grooming and terrorism. Now with these happening more often, people are beginning to find patterns for this. A lot of this rooted in Islamic ideology. The fact the likes of SYUK will speak out against this you don't like. The people who support the left of the political spectrum like the Islamists for some reason and tend to walk on egg shells around them. However, people on the left of the political spectrum (like yourself I believe) won't think twice about attacking people who want to stand up to the intolerance. The contradiction I find generally with the left is that they want full rights for gays yet at the same time want full Sharia law for muslims. The irony is that the muslims will attack the gays if given half the chance. Muslims will not show tolerance and the people on the left will not speak out. If someone not of the left points this out, it is pointed out as hate speech and you are shouted down called islamophobic or racist. The left want diversity, just not diversity of opinion. In the Communist countries, freedom of speech is not allowed. The left claims to be liberal but act in the same manner of Communist countries. Communism has it's origins in Marxism and I suspect the left are Marxists in disguise. They might not be in power politically but there is cultural subversion going on. It seems that you are clearly influenced by this type of thought. That is why I suggested that you may be a Cultural Marxist. I provided a link from the Telegraph to show what is happening in universities that has been overwhelmed by leftist though is now doing no platform which means freedom of speech is being curtailed. This is cultural marxism taking over. However, if it is Islamic hate speech it is accepted. Your stance against SYUK seems to suggest that you are accepting of Islamist hate speech but not of people who would fight against it like Tommy Robinson. I think the problem Sikhs on left of the political spectrum is that they think Sikhi somehow is the same as this leftist thought. It is not. They are influenced by the left (which is influenced by Marxism ) more so than Sikhi. That is why I called you a Cultural Marxist. If you feel that is not articulated enough for you I can go on and on and on. The problem with your thought process is that it may eventually lead into a totaliterian system. Totalitarianism is the antisesis of Sikhi.

I have already shown examples. I have even displayed with the video of the stages of this indoctrination but it seems you choose to avoid it.

I apologise for being such a bigot. I should embrace the peaceful Sharia law where I can peacefully accept that women's word is worth half of a man. I should wholeheartedly accept that gay people should be thrown off buildings. Then maybe I will become enlightened.

How does one incite hatred when the animosity was already there well before Tommy came in the scene. The EDL is not what it once was. In regards to Tommy, if you keep tabs on what he is doing has moved on from the EDL. He's writing books, has has death threats against him as actually confronts the groomers, like Bhai Mohan Singh he has a mission. The thing about Tommy is that he is not wrong. Common goals makes strange bedfellows.

especially when they post trash such as this after the whole hollywood paedo/sexual abuse has blown up: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/harvey-weinstein-islam-sexual-assault-rape-womens-rights-a8001521.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sikh-youth-uk-muslim-film-university-tommy-robinson-edl-sex-groomers-islamophobia-racism-a8002526.html Read the above earlier today. It is a total hit piece against the great work done by Panthic organisation Sikh Youth UK. It has quotes from that odious leftie Balwinder Rana of the one man 'Sikhs against the EDL' and the dhimmi Katy Sian who incidentally won the 'heroes' against the Islamophobia awards from the Islamic Human Rights council, an organisation which is an oxymoron in itself. It looks like the liberal sell out fake sikhs can't handle the fact that Sikh organisations like SYUK are making such a huge impact in the community so they have started their character assassinations of this organisation. The Rana <banned word filter activated> has even tried to assassinate the character of Bhai Mohan Singh of SAS because he spoke at the Football Lad's march last month. The left wing sell out one man band organisations like 'Sikhs against the EDL' and 'Turban Campaign' are seen for the jokes that they are in the community and so they want to try and throw some mud on SYUK and see if any will stick.

Thank you for showing everyone here you simply speak out of your rear end and have no evidence to back anything up. But of course you demand others to provide evidence for everything! that rule just doesn't apply to you! Also it's you're* in this context, seriously for a grown ass man you have the literary skills of a 4 year old.

Thanks so much Simran penji.

All our Guru Sahiban have introduce new gurmukh ways of parallel celebrating by rememberance of Akal Purakh for the big celebrations of other faiths e.g. vaisakh, dusshera, diwali ...this lighting of divey is traditional as they used light to represent the chanan that is Guru ji blessing them not to wish lakshmi to come into their homes because Guru Sahiban made it clear that gurmukhs will be served by maya/lakshmi they are sewak of Akal Purakh. Vahim and bharam afflict our kaum because of losing touch of our own history books and reliance on Hindu/christian even muslim commentators

This maybe not what you are looking for, but I found Sampooran katha on Ang 94, of which the above shabad is from. EP 154 ANG 94 - 97 - Sampooran Katha by Giani Kulwant Singh Ji (Ludhiana Wale) on #SoundCloud

Yes I do, but that's not an argument. So please find historical documentation and proof, unless now you'll argue that sikhs in the past were fools who didn't understand Sikhi at all. I'm waiting for that curcial evidence you love to ask for but never give, I can use your daft argument for anything. "Hey I robbed a bank, its ok cuz Ek Onkar" "hey some woman got raped, its ok Ek Onkar. " So i'm repeating once again, find HISTORICAL documentation from Purtan sources that prove your stance. If you're incapable of that then I rest my case, you're nothing more than a dog barking .

Will do the Bani is really fascinating in its textual form too, You can feel Guru Gobind Singh Ji's signature within it but at the same time it echoes back to Guru Nanak Dev Ji's words and writing style. The interchanging form of God being described in both masculine and feminine terminology is really breathtaking. Well not Inder as a name but there was a Gursikh of the highest caliber called Bhai Durga Ji i believe

They are big contributors to the "find new things to get offended at" brigade.

That's epic. You should defo make a thread on your observations and veechaars. If I ever have kids I'll choose one of the 1008 names of Vishnu Ji to counteract this lol. Some may be stuck in their old ways of thinking but they do provide us with some gems. Little tidbits of info to piece together the past. I'm just speculating but I think names which end in deep/preet/inder/meet became more prevalent when the Singh Sabha Movement and Akali Movement were gaining momentum, before then these names were virtually unheard of. Maybe it was an effort to try and create a more homogeneous Sikh identity? Just an example, my Dadi is the youngest of 5 sisters, yet she is the only one with a name which has a suffix like those above. Tbh if I think back to all my Bazurg, none of them had names like that.

Hundal, Sian do lots of community work. Just guess which community they work for.

Sikh Press Association, Sikh Council UK and Sikh Youth UK have issued a press release and response to the independents article. Note how it highlights the grass roots work SYUK carry out in the community directly with families , councils and the police. Note to mention the awards they have won. What community work do the Sunny Hundal, Katy Sian, Rana crew actually do ? What is their contribution to the mission of and ethos of Sikhi ???

Guest Guest Jee, to say Wahiguru whether conscioussly or unconscioussly, is to utter the most sweet name, of our beloved Wahiguru Akal Purukh. If ever anybody has to feel shame, it is only them who forget Him. To have Him present most of the time, is a blessing which many do not understand, so do not worry what others may think of this your blessing, rather be thankful to Him for it, for in the end, others opinions have no value as per our relation with Him. Stay blessed. Sat Sree Akal.

I think it comes from when people weren’t so educated and lived in the type of environment where they wouldn’t know the meanings of names or how to go about choosing a name that had anything meaningful. Going onwards, it’s just a matter of fitting in with the crowd by having the same endings.

I wont sit here and act like a scholar on the the Granth's Gurbani haha, the granth is super mysterious, iv only recently started to read and do my own arths (using a steek), the complexity of it is (imo) as much as that of Dasam Granth, though Mahakaal96 user on here was really helpful in helping me get my head around some stuff. Though I'm going to India soon and I'll be picking it up from there, I'm super excited about it. I've been trying to input the Manglacharan into my Nitnem for some time but the only online version iv found is this one. http://www.sarblohgranth.moonfruit.com/ there formatting puts me off which is really bad I know but i can't help it. well to each his own haha, You're free to doubt it, with good reason too. In all honesty I totally see where you are coming from as I'm a total pessimist myself a-lot of the time. I think its just the might of Kalyug influencing us all, to the point very little things hold any true spiritual meaning.

SWEETNESS OF GURU HAR KRISHAN Guru Har Rai, 7th Patshahee had two sons. The older one was called Baba Ram Rai, and he was very smart. The younger one was called Baba HarKrishan, and he was very sweet with a divine light. Both the boys were reading from the teachings, the Adi Granth and they looked so innocent and so devoted. Someone asked the Guru, “great Guru, both of your children are very handsome, they’re both very intelligent, and both are very spiritual & humble. How can you possibly decide which one will be the next Guru?” Guru ji came with him to where the two boys were, and told him to do a test as the boys were reading from the Adi Granth. “Take a needle to the table where they are reading the Granth Sahib. Try to poke the needle into the wood of that table. If it is read with love everything will become soft and the needle will easily go in.” " And the man replied, "yes Sir, Wahe Guru!" So the man saw the younger son, Baba HarKrishan, reading, “Ik Ongkar, SatGurPrasaad, slok Mahula Panjvaa..." Baba HarKrishan read with great devotion and love. As the boy was reading the man came to the wood table and slowly put the needle there. It went in, smoothly, as if the wood was made out of wax! And the Guru said, "HarKrishan my son, please explain to everyone the meaning of what you just read." Then Guru HarKrishan replied, “Yes father, God is in every heart! Once the heart remembers it’s home it is happy and we are God...” Baba HarKrishan´s explanation filled everyone with bliss. People were blown away. Then the older brother Baba Ram Rai took the seat and started reading the same section, “Ik Ongkar, SatGurPrasaad, slok Mahula Panjvaa...” RamRai read very beautifully and sweetly too. As he was reading the man tried to pull the needle out of the wood... "Let me just, uhhh hummm uhh, it wont come out!" But it was stuck, it wouldn't come out! The wood had gone back to being hard, just like normal. The Guru said, "Ram Rai my son, please explain to everyone the meaning of what you just read." And Ram Rai replied, "Yes father, his section was rather eloquently explaining something you may well want to understand. The chatrik bird is famed for it’s particular behavior......" Baba Ram Rai's explanation was very convincing and everyone was so impressed. Guru ji then asked the boys to read another random section, which they did. Baba HarKrishan started reading, “Ik ­ong kār sat nam karṯa purakẖ nirbẖa­o nirvair akal murat ajuni saibhang gur parshad jap aad sach jugaadh sach hai bhee sach nanak hosee bhee sach". This time the man tried to take out the needle out of the wood, it came out smoothly without any effort, he said, "Huhahah, Wahe Guru! Wahe Guru! How did this happen? It is so beautiful! Wahe Guru!" How did the wood melt? Why did it become soft like wax? Why could the needle only come in or out when Baba HarKrishan read? No one else seemed too sure which of the boys would be the next Guru but a few people now knew. They saw with their own eyes which of the boys had more love. Later it became known that Baba RamRai had spiritual powers. He could read minds, he knew about people’s past lives, he could make correct predictions about when someone would die, he could become weightless & he could make jewels appear out of thin air, he could make himself invisible so one one could see him, and many many other things. Many people were amazed at him and thought he was a great holy man, but they were only looking on the outside, they weren't looking on the inside. Baba HarKrishan’s love was his super power. His miracle was inside. When someone is loving it just melts your heart. HarKrishan’s love melted many people’s hearts, it melted everything around, it melted everything he touched, it even melted wood. Baba Harkrishan became the next Guru, when he was 5 years old. He became Guru HarKrishan, the child Guru. Can anyone imagine a 5 year old boy, being a great leader of people? Guru HarKrishan was truly a great leader. It had to be so about His sweetness and leadership, as He was Wahiguru Akal Purukh Himself. Sat Sree Akal.

Because it sounds trendy and fashionable and they don't know what it actually means. It's like those people who get Chinese writing tattoos on their arms.

Iv asked you to show me it from 18/19th century sources. I'm sure you can mange that, I've not made any assertations here about what Sikhi promotes, you have so back it up. You whine about wanting evidence from others so follow your own wants, I wait with eager breath of your your sources, your own hand drawn translations abd so on. How would you know what it promotes. You can't even read the source material so who told you it did? ?

Let me tell you one thing. I went to boarding school when I was young. I learned a lot of swearing because I was in the Sangat of students who swear in almost every other sentence. Even though I do not wanted to use bad language but it will rub on you if you stay with them. They were very nice friends. In your case, Do you need to cut them off? Probably not. I agree with sikhinthemaking but do not get habit of swearing and see if you can bring change into their habit by suggesting them to speak mitha (sweet language). No matter what you do, please keep hanging with the little girl who went thru so much that nobody can even dream of going thru that terrible terrible stage. I would suggest you to become a regular friend of her but don’t become a friend because of pity. Consider this as sewa given to you by waheguru ji.

I don't think that I have been disparaging about you. You are clearly someone who believes is following the Sikh way but the reality is that you are clearly indoctrinated to think like a Cultural Marxist. It is clear that you dismiss any Sikh organisation that does not follow the left wing line. It seems your mindset it based on what this KGB guy. You seem to display some of these symptoms:

Sunny For starters you naturally assert or insinuate that Tommy Robinson is a bigot without actually hearing what he has to say. In this free democratic country we should listen to all points of view. The fact that you do not like this, particularly from your political end of the spectrum is very similar to the Communist era where people are dismissed without hearing what they have to say because it does not suit your narrative. The problem with universities these days is that have become no platforms for freedom of speech (particularly since they are very much on the left) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/19/universities-told-must-commit-free-speech-new-plans/amp/

Tommy Robinson is going to be right about a lot of things. It's cultural Marxists like yourself that are going to be proved wrong in the years to come. Are you Sunny Hundal in disguise by any chance?

She'll probably get "triggered" and need a "safe space"

Don't waste your time, she is just the sort of lefty snowflake who will claim she has been threatened if anyone emails her and challenges her on her idiotic views.

I watched enough his videos to try to understand this person. People don't like him because he is a working class white guy who sounds like a chav. People automatically think he is a racist. He is not under any government services nor is he an agent as far as I can tell. In fact he gets harassed by various organisations whether it is by police or other security services. With the current climate and Tommy's relentless campaigning, eventually the mainstream media will start to see him in a different light when they realise which way the wind is blowing. I reckon the vast majority of Sikhs actually tacitly support and sympathise Tommy but overtly will not show him any support or sympathy. He represents a particular element of the gorah community that lives in a highly multicultural area and amongst high population of muslims (he is from Luton) that he has developed an instinctive understanding of muslim like many Sikhs do. Which is probably a reason why he resonates with many Sikhs. The mainstream media in their arrogance are very slow to pick up on the trends. It takes them 5-10 years to get to the stage where everyone else is. Parts of the mainstream media already vilifies Sikhs and vast majority of us will do bugger all and carry on as before. There is always this fear with some Sikhs that somehow after the muslims, the gorreh will come after us. I don't see how that will necessarily be the case.

Might be to do with muslim shareholder of the Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/online/the-independent-saudi-arabia-investor-shares-sultan-mohamed-abuljadayel-evgeny-lebedev-control-a7866836.html

For the UK media Muslims are the protected species, any wrong they do has to deflected onto the wider Asian community but if some Sikhs or Hindus do something wrong then their religion is highlighted in the headlines.

The Donkey and the Load of Salt Long ago there lived a merchant. He used to deal in salt. He had a donkey to carry load. He used to sell his salt loaded on the donkey. He had to cross a stream to go to other village. Once his donkey fell into the stream and much of the salt was dissolved in water. The donkey easily crossed the stream due to the light weight of salt on his back. The donkey was happy. The donkey on his next trip knowingly fell into the stream. The merchant suspected the animal's intention. On the other day too the donkey intentionally repeated the same trick. His master was now sure about the animal's evil intention. The merchant next day loaded the donkey with a lot of cotton. The donkey once again repeated the same trick. He fell into the stream. This time his load became very heavy. The donkey carried the heavy load. It was very tiring for him to move on. The donkey now realized his mistake. He stopped falling down into the stream any more. He thought that it was not good to play tricks. The merchant had taught the donkey a good lesson. Moral: You can befool a person a few times but not always.

ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਸਗਲ ਪੁੰਨ ਜੀਅ ਦਇਆ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥ Athasath Theerathh Sagal Punn Jeea Dhaeiaa Paravaan || Be kind to all beings-this is more meritorious than bathing at the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage and the giving of charity. Sree Guru Arjan Dev Maharaj

CLEANLINESS We clean up our vehicles, machines and tools on a regular basis. Minds and thoughts are great weapons and tools that can change the world around us. Let's make an effort to clean our mind, thoughts and our vision, on a regular basis also. Let´s sprinkle some forgiveness and wipe out the mistakes of others. We will see a clean picture of the world in front of us. Doing it periodically brings peace within us and therefore to the world.

PROBLEMS IN LIFE MOST OF THE PROBLEMS IN LIFE COME BECUASE OF 2 REASONS WE ACT WITHOUT THINKING AND WE KEEP THINKING WITHOUT ACTING. RELATIONS MAKE A MIND WHICH NEVER MINDS MAKE A HEART WHICH NEVER HURTS MAKE A TOUCH WHICH NEVER PAINS MAKE A RELATION BASED ON RESPECT AND TRUST THEN WHICHEVER RELATION YOU MAKE WILL NEVER END. RESPECT RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES FEELING´S EVEN IF IT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU FOR IT COULD VERY WELL MEAN EVERYTHING TO THEM

GOOD RELATIONSHIPS DO NOT DEPEND ON HOW MUCH WE UNDERSTAND SOMEONE BUT IT DEPENDS ON MUCH ON HOW WELL WE MANAGE THE MISUNDERSTANDING