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How can it cause further hatred? In the several thousand mosques in the UK, there are thousands of speeches that denigrate the kafir way of live. Is that not denigrating? Does that not reinforce bad feelings towards the kafir in dar-ul-harb? Jews are called monkeys and pigs, yet does that not cause/re-in force against jews? If muslims do bad things disproportionately to the size of their population, do we not have the right to call out the bad things? I do not think Sikhs will hate any further. All that I can see Sikhs is saying a collective "I told you so!" to the mainstream community.

This myth is actually found in the Gurbilas Patshahi Dasvi. A few months back the controversial Iqbal Deen, Jathedar of Patna Sahib, narrated it from on-stage.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sikh-youth-uk-muslim-film-university-tommy-robinson-edl-sex-groomers-islamophobia-racism-a8002526.html Read the above earlier today. It is a total hit piece against the great work done by Panthic organisation Sikh Youth UK. It has quotes from that odious leftie Balwinder Rana of the one man 'Sikhs against the EDL' and the dhimmi Katy Sian who incidentally won the 'heroes' against the Islamophobia awards from the Islamic Human Rights council, an organisation which is an oxymoron in itself. It looks like the liberal sell out fake sikhs can't handle the fact that Sikh organisations like SYUK are making such a huge impact in the community so they have started their character assassinations of this organisation. The Rana <banned word filter activated> has even tried to assassinate the character of Bhai Mohan Singh of SAS because he spoke at the Football Lad's march last month. The left wing sell out one man band organisations like 'Sikhs against the EDL' and 'Turban Campaign' are seen for the jokes that they are in the community and so they want to try and throw some mud on SYUK and see if any will stick.

I suspect three faith who have a common creation story would have been a pointless exercise ...

Do any of these leftists actually do any positive community work at the grass roots level to assist with issues affecting the Sikh community or do they just stir up controversy by writing biased articles to make themselves seem significant or obtain government funding ? SYUK have several initiatives with volunteers travelling up and down the country to promote and bring awareness of the Sikh faith. They run a helpline to assist members of the panth with any real world issues. What exactly do Rana, Katy Sian, Sunny Hundal etc do at a grass roots level for the faith they claim to represent ??

I used to be so angry coz I got a son who is always doing the wrong thing and got the wrong focus. I would shout and then get terrible headaches. Now I have decided that it is not worth shouting - I just keep quiet and keep busy doing my own stuff. We need to realise that we get angry when we try to do things by our powers. If we leave a little to God, and accept that things are the way they are. If we can learn to be tolerant of others and accept that we are all trying to learn something -( which is the reason why we are on the planet earth), our anger would be reduced greatly. Anger stems from frustration. A good way to control it is to place yourself in the other persons situation and think about it as if you were them... and you committed that deed. Would you be angry with yourself as much if you had done that ? We all make mistakes - and we all have weaknesses. Swearing, bad words, leashing of your wisdom upon others and labelling are not going to do either you or your victim any good. Trying to perform path regularly also ensures that your energies are more focused in the right direction and the cool feeling which you get is not worth being destroyed by the fumes which anger creates. Many of us get caught unawares and we have to learn to alert ourselves before we make a complete fool of ourselves and have to be calmed down by others.

they have also been infiltrated don't be complacent ....

Thanks. Yes that’s the in depth one. I think it’s probably worth reading Se Kineiya also, as Jkv penji has mentioned.

There is one with further explanation.

https://youtu.be/SAK7t2Fvh7Q

Rana is a con man, stirs up trouble for government funding. Turban campaign have nothing to say on turban issues, such as airport issues.

Keep it Calm and say Folks need to control their anger problem. Most people look real immature by releasing their anger online. If something makes you angry, take a break rather than spending whole day fussing about it. Using such nasty language.. phew... Chalo, deleted. Next..

Tommy Robinson is going to be right about a lot of things. It's cultural Marxists like yourself that are going to be proved wrong in the years to come. Are you Sunny Hundal in disguise by any chance?

If someone converted you or introduced you to a new religion, would you want to marry them for it, or would you want to concentrate on practising your new religion?

People are weak, they prefer to do their manmat, than really follow Gurmat. Gurmat though simple and clear, is made difficult by people themselves, but what can the poor people do. Simran and paath to be done as you say, needs much purity of mind, otherwise is quite impossible. Does not the Bani say: ਸੇ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਜਿਨ ਆਪਿ ਸਿਮਰਾਏ ॥ Sae Simarehi Jin Aap Simaraaeae | Sat Sree Akal.

VID-20170930-WA0000.mp4

The Independent like the Guardian /Channel4 and the BBC sits on the left of the political spectrum. They are Cultural Marxists that are in bed with the Islamists. Therefore anyone that speaks our against their narrative is seen as a racist/islamaphobe. Even though this article needs to be rebutted, the circulation of the Independent has gone down considerably and it is a dying paper. They should not be taken seriously.

Strange how the lefty's claim there is no evidence of target grooming against the Sikh community without actually attempting to engage with those who have the evidence. Bhai Mohan Singh of the SAS surely has mountains of evidence and documentation of the status of the grooming cases SAS has dealt with and the demographics and make up of the perpetrators... Im pretty sure it was Katy Sian who at one stage reportedly had a picture of a Palestinian plane hijacker as her Twitter background and was always posting random stuff about the Palestinian issue or other Muslim conflicts, strangely silent about Sikh issues like 1984 , Delhi ethnic cleansing, operation black thunder, operation woodrose, operation shudi Karan, Professor Davinder Pal Bhullar, Balwant Singh Rajoana etc etc... A typical "City Sikhs" network person.. As a community it is our own fault for not having enough educated, articulate Sikhs in positions where they can make their voices heard as a point of reference so the media don't have to go to the type of people mentioned who don't represent the true narrative of the Sikh viewpoint.

Nice to see such great scholars we have...or should I say internet Gianni It was Sant Gurbachan Singh of Binderkala who FIRST said this about the Sahibzade and is available in his mp3 CDs I don't see why Ultra kattar illiterate tunnel vision Sikhs cannot see the relationship between devteh and Sikhism perhaps if you listened to all the CDS you would have some foundation knowledge such as Nanaksar Sarovar helped built by Devteh and Baoli Sahib Well connects to Ganges, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Just giving darshan in the form of Ramachandra, there many proofs of this such as Bhagat being previously devteh BTW ALOT OF MODERN KATHA AND SAMPARDAI KATHA IS TAKEN FROM THE SANT GURBACHAN SINGH CDS

took me a while but I found the book and the passage. Just remember that within Kaal Purkh (the lord) there are millions upon millions of Vishnus, Shivas, Brahmas, Indras and so on.

Tommy Rob is a bell and.. Shame on his apologists

There's millions of devtas around, This was part of a book I read a while ago, I had it lying around so i'll dig it up and upload the extract here.