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BTW, it would be extremely misleading to say that Gurbani being "silent" on this issue means that a Sikh can either have a slave or not have a slave, no problems, because Gurbani is "silent". Gurbani is also silent on the issue of cannibalism, incest, and a whole host of other things. The thing is, it simply has not ever occurred to a Sikh to tell another human being that "you are now my slave, your fruit of your labor is now owned by me without compensation, and you can't leave me, either". In fact, the word Ghulam (slave) is imported from Arab/Persian lands, just like the word Talaak (divorce). You could say that Gurbani is "silent" on slavery, but slavery is not allowed by Sikhism, which encompasses more than just Gurbani.

The answer is simply that there is no such verse in the way you are asking. But that's simply because Gurbani is not the same as the Koran Sharif or the Holy Bible. These two works have a lot of wordly commands setting up human social systems. Gurbani is simply much more (99%) concerned with spirituality. That said, slavery has never been part of Sikhism. No Guru owned a slave, and neither did any Sikh, then or now. And won't in the future. It is true that the pro-equality and anti-caste verses could be interpreted and extended to be thought anti-slavery. The following verse could possibly be interpreted to be anti-slavery: ਫਰੀਦਾ ਬਾਰਿ ਪਰਾਇਐ ਬੈਸਣਾ ਸਾਂਈ ਮੁਝੈ ਨ ਦੇਹਿ ॥ Fareedhaa Baar Paraaeiai Baisanaa Saanee Mujhai N Dhaehi || Fareed begs, O Lord, do not make me sit at another's door. ਸਲੋਕ ਫਰੀਦ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਫਰੀਦ) (੪੨):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੮੦ ਪੰ. ੧ Salok Baba Sheikh Farid ਜੇ ਤੂ ਏਵੈ ਰਖਸੀ ਜੀਉ ਸਰੀਰਹੁ ਲੇਹਿ ॥੪੨॥ Jae Thoo Eaevai Rakhasee Jeeo Sareerahu Laehi ||42|| If this is the way you are going to keep me, then go ahead and take the life out of my body. ||42|| ਸਲੋਕ ਫਰੀਦ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਫਰੀਦ) (੪੨):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੮੦ ਪੰ. ੨ Salok Baba Sheikh Farid p1380

Guru Nanak Dev ji spoke against Caste system which is through manipulation has become a slave system where people are trapped by accident of birth into remaining at the bottom of the pile - no life, no chance of salvation, no solace of faith as hearing prayers could mean punishment such as hot lead being poured into the ears, or eyes blinded, or even death. Guru ji Not only refuses the janeu as it differentiates between one man and another , and man from women in terms of rights. He actively went to 'lowly' peoples homes and ate and kept their company. Bhai Mardana was a mirasi and that was considered almost like a beggar status , he was a muslim and yet Guru ji embraced him as his brother. Guru ji destroyed the concept of slavery by preaching against the concept both in India and abroad in all the religious centres .In fact the documented visit to the vatican explains that Guru ji told the Pope in no uncertain terms that man has no rights to enslave others as all are one family under Akal Purakh

maybe these are closer to the mark: ਏਕੁ ਪਿਤਾ ਏਕਸ ਕੇ ਹਮ ਬਾਰਿਕ ਤੂ ਮੇਰਾ ਗੁਰ ਹਾਈ ॥: The One God is our Father; we all are the children of the One God (sggs 611). ਸਗਲੀ ਜਾਨਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਮਉਦੀਫਾ ॥: Saglee jaan karo mauleephaa: Let your daily worship be the knowledge that God is everywhere (sggs 1084). ਜੋ ਦੀਸੈ ਸੋ ਤੇਰਾ ਰੂਪੁ ॥: Jo deesai so taeraa roop: Whatever is seen, O God is Your form (sggs724). ਏਕਾ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਜੇਤੇ ਹੈ ਜੀਅ ॥: Ekaa surati jete hai jeea: There is One Awareness among all Jeeva or beings (sggs 24)

but if you follow the rehit of not hurting another's heart as too are God's light then it is near impossible to abuse, misuse or imprison as a slave another person. you cannot honour the godhead in someone and similtaneously treat them less than an animal.

with the advent of invaders it become a problem and Guru ji spoke against both types . He describes in Baburvani the condition of the women taken as slaves irrespective of faith

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖ਼ਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ Manas Ki jaat sabhe ikey pehchaanbo -See all of humankind as one caste (attacking the social ideas of hierarchy) Aval Allah Noor upai kudrat ke sabh banday, ek noor te sabh jag upjay koun bhalle kou manday -The creator has infused each with a diamond (soul), they are all creatures of nature, upon one light the entire play (of life) was created (Can also mean: everyone has the creators light) .. Who is worse, who is better (again giving not just every human equality, but every single organism in the universe equality) ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖ਼ਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ

No one needs to write the Shabad Guru, The Shabad means word. The Word has existed since the start of time since all of creation came from it, The Shabad Guru was there. The Shabad was simply Gupt except for those with the pure hearts. People like Bhagat Prahlad Ji all unlocked it due to their pious nature. Again how do you not know this?

What would I fear? I'm not scared of Durga. Heck, I may as well go out and say it I've had Darshan of her. The fact you don't even know what her name meant yet you consider her Supreme is really hilarious. Calling a Sikh "Amrit Singh" doesn't make him "Amrit" same way calling Durga as Durga wont make her invincible. capish?

According to Guru Sahib it's still ongoing into Kalyug and will still be on going. Read Bachitar Natek for god sake. Chaubis Avatar makes it clear they'll be within Maya as even Nikalki Avatar will fall before her.

great so according to you I should disregard gurbani's arth as incomplete picture of Sat ...wow and I'm doing nindiya by repeating dhan Dhan Guru Amar Das ji's bachan to us. Bani is not influenced by maya unlike vishnu ...SMH

What a load of tosh. He never pays respect to Shiva, never once. Shiva's brahmgyan is limited and narrow. What Brahmgyani calls himself God? I've never heard of it. Never has a Sant said he's God and that we should worship him. Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva are all one of MILLIONS doing that, there isn't 1 of them but billions upon billions. Read the Brahmgyani Astphadi in Sukhmani Sahib, Shiva looks for Brahmgyanis, he isn't one. Devtas are extremely Jealous of human life as it is. Why would Guru Gobind singh Ji (Akaal Purkh himself) pay respect or even bow before any of the trinity. He's so far above them words can't even describe it. Shiva used in that context is referring to "Destroyer Lord" not to Shiva the Yogi. Learn some proper Gurmat before spewing nonsense like this. I already know their role in the universe. How do I know? Because Guru Sahib told me through Gurbani, something you clearly don't read. Where have I bashed them? I said their egotistical, which is written in Gurmat, I said their lost in Maya which they are, as stated in Gurbani. The only Sargun form of Akaal Purkh that ever existed is Guru Nanak Dev Ji, no one else has come even close to it. The Devta have their duties, but calling them the Sargun form of Akaal is the same as saying you and I are. No one's bashed any Devtas. All of us have stated what's in Tat Gurmat. You love to throw the word Nindya around, Guru Gobind Singh Ji refers to Krishna and Rama as being insects. Wow I guess that's Nindya too, Guru Sahib also states that Durga claims to be Ad Bhavani but during the time of true Mukhti she hides her face as she has no power to do anything. Wow More Nindya. I gained my knowledge from Purtan Brahmgyanis, Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji also states that Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva are so far below Guru Sahib its beyond words. The same Devtas you want to smash your head for are the same ones who beg at Guru Gobind Singh Ji's door, the same Devtas are nothing more than his servants. Nindya is stating Falsehood, if stating Gurbani is falsehood then im fine being a Nindaak. The highlighted above is a sign that you have no idea what you're saying. No true Sikh would dare say anyone is Above Guru Sahib in anything.

but bro you just equated Guru Granth Sahib ji as Vishnu a few posts up ... waho wah bani nirankar hai tis jevad avar no koi ang 515 Mahala 3 . Don't contradict Guru ji please ... I don't say from my low position but from what my Guru ji has told me

Yes, I was aware of this. But how can we as a community raise this idea up to the people, the few elites as you say, that can make this happen? Surely, there's something we can do to get Ravi Singh more exposure.

I very much agree with jkvlondon Pen Jee. Sree Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj, clears all our doubts regarding that primal universal eternal Truth, right from the very begining of SGGS, when He states : Ik Oankar Satnam. There is only one Lord Creator, not multiplicity in forms or shapes and sizes, as these gods are along with their spouses and children. And that One Lord is Sat = Truth as eternity in existence, and as Nam, as an Infinite Ocean of formless Consciousness. That´s it. Third Patshahee Sree Guru Amar Das Maharaj tells us in Raag Maajh : ਉਤਪਤਿ ਪਰਲਉ ਸਬਦੇ ਹੋਵੈ ॥ Outhapath Paralo Sabadhae Hovai || Creation and destruction happen through the Word of the Shabad, ਸਬਦੇ ਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ॥ Sabadhae Hee Fir Oupath Hovai || Through the Shabad, creation happens again. So that eternal Truth, is Naam or Shabad, as per Gurbani. Moreover, Dhan Dhan Satguru Nanak Dev Maharaj, tells us in Japji Sahib : Sach Khand vaseh Nirankar. in the region of eternal Truth, resides (Nirankar) the formless Lord, which is as thus: aad Sach, jugaad Sach, hae bhee Sach, Nanak hosee bhee Sach. So we can cleary see through the Bani, it is Shabad or Naam, which is the eternal form of Wahiguru Akal Purukh, as eternal Truth or Satnam. The trinity gods, godesses, devtays, angels and other spirtual beings, are usuallly mistaken as ultimate Truth, by most of the world. These gods/entities, have a purpose, a specfic job, to keep on the mayavee creation, that is it, but never ever are Wahiguru. Our goal is Wahiguru Akal Purukh alone, none else. Sat Sree Akal.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Guru Roop Sangat Jeo, Bhai Gurinder Singh Mann Ji [uK] have done wonderful seva of formatting all the five articles on Sri Charitropakhyan into one beautiful file. Kindly download the attached pdf and please, please, please have a read and/or distribute it around. We need awareness in the panth.. please lets all play our role, no matter how big or small, in defending the honour of our Sri Guruji's pious Bani. Thanks! Gurfateh! SriCharitropakhyan.pdf Useful Links: http://www.sridasamgranth.com http://www.sridasam.org http://www.patshahi10.org http://www.searchgurbani.com http://www.nihangsingh.org http://www.santsipahi.org http://sikh-reality.blogspot.com http://sikhscriptures2english.blogspot.com http://khojee.wordpress.com http://www.scribd.com/khojee-wordpress-com http://www.scribd.com/mokhamsingh http://www.scribd.com/_pjs_ http://www.ik13.com

I don't think theme parks allow weapons, no matter what. Don't think having Khalistan would change that. Can't expect to go to a foreign country and have them bend over backwards to please you.

Well, like I said, the religion doesn't allow it, but people do what they want. So, yeah, someone gets mad at their husband/wife, and goes away. And then files for divorce in the government court. If you believe in the "Sikh panchayat" and actually go to them, they'll just tell you to reconcile, and possibly also counsel the party who is being unreasonable.

Marriage is a dedication of oneself to Akal Purakh in Sikhi not owning another human or dedicating oneself to another. Both partners agree top support each other in this life mission to get union with Akal Purakh that's it. You can't divorce in sikhi because marriage is on a different premise to other faith marriages

Right, people use the word "talaak". Basically, in Islam, marriage is a wordly contract. In Sikhism, as in Christianity, marriage is seen as holy. Of course, people do what they want to. We're talking about the religion.

I don't know, but you can read the Babur bani online here: https://www.sikhs.org/transl12.htm

I know that, Abolishing caste system and granting equal status to women is what sets sikhism apart from other religion.But i'm talking about slavery which is different from caste system.Once a person is enslaved his life no longer remains his.He has to serve his master,fulfill his/her sexual needs.I think now u see my point,there is difference between caste system and slavery.Although caste system is also bad but slavery is worse. So is there any explicit order from any Guru which prohibits slavery ? Or since slavery was not as common in India as was in Arabia so nobody paid any attention to it ?

Erm, wutt? Freedom in the UK, what're you talking about bro? The US has freedom of speech enshrined in its Constitution. In the UK, if you were to be doing katha of certain parts of Guru Granth Sahib or Dasam Granth Sahib, you could hauled up on charges of Islamophic incitement of hatred: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_Kingdom Now, I don't advocate stirring up hatred, but you are free to do so in the US. Not so in the UK. You can call it good or bad, but please don't say "we don't have freedom in the US compared to the UK". UK, the country that has banned hunting, is free? Compared to the US, where hunting is a popular pastime? UK, the country where (effectively) you cannot bear arms, is free? Compared to the country (US) where the right to bear arms is enshrined right there in the Constitution?

Seriously? The US is a jalanda jagat (burning world)? And the UK, which has 53% atheists according to the latest survey, compared to 3.1% in the US, is just a wonderful paradise?

http://www.vidhia.com/Bhai Randheer Singh Ji/Unditthi-duniya.pdf This is Bhai Sahib Ji's words on the topic of the trinity, this is the punjabi translation too. https://www.scribd.com/doc/276107862/Andithi-Duniya-Randhir-Singh-Punjabi This is also Bhai Sahib Ji's words about how the Vedas lack Divinity too. http://www.vidhia.com/Bhai Randheer Singh Ji/Is-bowing-to-Guru-Granth-Sahib-Ji-akin-to-idol-worship.pdf The Punjabi translation is here too. http://www.gurmatveechar.com/books/Punjabi_Books/Bhai_Sahib_Bhai_Randhir_Singh/Ki.Shri.Guru.Granth.Sahib.Ji.Di.Puja.But.Prasti.Hai.by.Bhai.Randhir.Singh.(GurmatVeechar.com).pdf Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji on the trinity being affected with Maya. http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_(Bhindran_wale)/Guru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha/Volume_05_Ang_0347-0462/042--Sant.Gurbachan.Singh.(Bhindran.wale)--Raag.Aasaa--Ang-394%2B395.mp3 I've posted Gurbani and words of Mahapurkhs, They're far above the trinity, far above me . Are they wrong and shallow? My depth of Gurbani comes from them. IN this thread alone you've made accusations on Guru Gobind Singh Ji being less of a brahmgyani than Shiva (who isn't even one in the first place), You said Gurbani isn't Yugo Yug attal. IN this thread alone you've insulted Guru Sahib more times than anyone, yet you'll level the accusation that we're shallow. By your posts you've never even touched Gurbani yet you have the audacity to call others as being superficial. The hell? lmao. So focusing on a non-biased account written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji is suddenly me calling myself all knowing? There's positives in everyone and negatives too. Why should Sikhs ignore the negatives and say they're Divine when that's a load of tosh according to Gurbani. I've quoted the Dasam Granth here. Bachittar Natak is history, why would it be in poetic form? Guru Sahib flat out states it in no small words. That whole argument is ludicrous. NO one's arguing Gurbani isn't vast, but if you're not even looking at it through a Gurmukh lense then you're basically going to draw the wrong conclusions and provide false arths. An athiest can sit and read Gurbani and say that E-On-ankar refers to Nature and not the Divine supreme. Are you going to argue that Arth is fine and God isn't real? You're entire pretext is based on you taking some arths and trying to spin them into Gurbani telling Sikhs something that is not.

calcium supplements are not that easily absorbed better off getting calcium from diet as plants etc have already made it into bioavailable form, load up on magnesium and potassium rich foods too as this will help with bone strength. Guess saag's on the menu with lots of fruit and nuts. To heal connective tissues need silica rich foods , cucumbers, peppers, wholewheat etc

actually this argument didn't originate from Da'wah gangs not that smart but lifted from the Christian missionary playbook, I have heard it from them quite a few years earlier , no doubt helped by the traitorous punjabis who still keep singh as surname and wear turbans although christian.

therein lies a huge problem shisha follows the guru not vice versa

Doesn't work like that, no Western govt is going to deport someone because he hurts the feelings of some Sikhs. Its like Ron saying to deport Pro Khalistanis back to Punjab so they can fight for it there, cause we hurt his feelings. He is a lone loser, with 0 power. He has been discredited. Counter him where need be, that's it. Freedom of speech.

There is another one in NZ, a Mahesh Bindra who is a Member of Parliament for a local populist party. Recently they attempted to have the Kirpan banned. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11903955 Local Hindus have opposed Winston's rhetoric, but how long before birds of feather start flocking together? Bindra, after all, is a member of the RSS; an Indian weekly openly published this fact after verifying it with him. Banerjee, on the other hand, is a born clown who was derived of parental attention because he wasn't planned. See: Anti-Sikh extremists, whatever their credo, should be deported back to the abyss for which they are crusading.

Haha very good idea spending some time in green vegetables garden refresh our mind a lot.

Live in the UK so a bit unwise to American culture but don't you guys have the right to bear arms?

The Oneness without multiplicity of the Supreme Eternal Truth in the Bani tells us: Ik Oankar Satnam: The One Creator Nam, is the only eternal Truth, hence no gods, no devis, no devtays ...... Ekas bin sabh dandh hae : Without this one Supreme truth, everything else is "koor" Jug chare Nam ootam Shabad veechar : Throughout all the 4 yugas, keep in mind, Nam is the highest. Sach Khand vaseh Nirankar : in the realm of Truth, only the formless Lord resides. (The remaining gods, godesses, devtay, can be found in the mayavee creation at locations such as : Shivpuri, Baikunth, Swarg Lok, etc Nam or Shabad, is the difference between what Guru Sahiban, the Bhagat Jan proclaim as the only one Truth, to which they tell us to worship and give our devotion, within. While these other spiritual entities, known as gods....under maya´s influence are mistaken as truths, which is far from real; as they lead the jeevas to idol worship, rituals and external practices, and thus make them wander in the wheel of 84. They have an important role to keep the creation in motion, but it is only by love and devotion to Wahiguru alone, that also by His apaar kirpa, is the way to merge in Akal Purukh, the Highest, and only One, without any second. Just a simple example, Ravan, was the biggest devotee of Shiva, yet he could not erradicate the evilness along with the 5 chor within him. We may ask why? Because he worshiped not the Nam as stated in Sukhmani Sahib : Prabh(Nam, Shabad, Wahiguru) Ka Simran, man kee mael jaae. Remember, Ekas(Satnam, Wahiguru Akal Purukh) Bin sabh dandh hae, sabh mithiya moh, maya. Sat Sree Akal.

your understanding is about Sikhism is about as good as a fundamental Christians. You've openly said that Guru Granth Sahib Ji is wrong about Druv, you said that Shiva was a Senior Brahmgyani (lol btw) to Akaal Purkh's light Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Just how much Nindya will you do. You're so rooted in your own twisted views you'd even call Guru Gobind SIngh Ji's bani as being incomplete? He said those people who abandon the Vedas are the ones who found God. You're the one calling Guru Sahib inferior to others and seem to think you're a Brahmgyani. I congratulate you. This has to be the stupidest thing you've written thus far, Guru Sahib said the Vedas/all texts should be abandoned. No they were never the whole truth, the ones who left them found god. The ones who didn't remained in Maya's grasp. Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji even stated that Vedas lack Godly qualities. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said those who followed it left the grace of God. What more proof do you want? Yes the Vedas said name of God is above all but stating it isn't the same as it being the revealed form of the Shabad Guru. I can write that on a piece of paper, am I right about what I wrote? yes. Is that paper the word of God suddenly? nope. Guru Gobind Singh Ji told sikhs not to follow the Puranas, because they're false. Do you not read Chaupai Sahib? have you not even read Chaubis Avatar?

before Sat was written down for humans in Kalyug , it was known in satyug fully and people/devta worship only Akal Purakh, as Maya's influence and humans/ control over panj chor lessened and they got enticed by the glamour of their appointed positions. Their focus changed onto themselves and this lack of true devotion to Sat spiralled downwards , when they reached the point where the veds were written , there was open reliance on ridhian sidhian of these people and jantra mantras to go against hukham e.g. Holika...that doesn't sound like the actions of bhagats of Akal Purakh. i do not believe there was a total lack of true Bhagats/sikhs of Akal Purakh e.g. prahlad just a steady decrease in their number and quality prior to Guru ji's Prakash

hahaha ... Ram japo ji asey asey Dhru Prahlad japio Har jaise.... Ram is not Ram Chander Har is not Krishna but the one Akal Purakh who is rameiya in shristi , the one Akal Purakh who makes Atma blossom in Humans Are you sure you are not Preeto's kid bro?

Guru Sahib already went through them and corrected them, he also said sikhs should follow them so please. Read Dasam Granth, Bhai Sahib Bhai Gurdas Ji already wrote the story and Vishnu isn't the person Druv worshipped. Seems like you enjoy following Puranas over Purtan Sources. What an amazing Sikh who puts more faith in other Granth than his own religions.

because it gives glory to the created not the creator , Waheguru ji ki fateh

It did he said a while ago that Akaal has infinite forms. He's just outed himself as a troll. Either that or he's really thick. I'll go with the former.

No it wasn't the Vedas. Nice try but Guru Gobind Singh Ji said those who abandoned the Vedas found god. ਜਿਨ ਮਤਿ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬਨ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥ Jin Mati Beda Kateban Tiaagee ॥ जिन मति बेद कतेबन तिआगी ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੇ ਭੇ ਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ ॥ Paarabarhama Ke Bhe Anuraagee ॥ पारब्रहम के भए अनुरागी ॥ Those who abandoned the path of the Vedas and Katebs, they became the devotees of the Lord. That's the Hindu version of the story. Why would you believe that? He gained the Gurmantar from Guru Sahib, no one else. He wasn't an adherent of Vishnu, not by a long shot. He worshiped the Primordial Lord, not someone enslaved by Maya, it seems you've spent more time learning from Hindus than Tat Gurmukhs. Prahlad was saved because God ordered Vishnu to incarnated and save him. Why call the tool that breaks the nut the force behind it?

ohhh dear ...guru ji doesn't have to be in sargun saroop to exist ...or hadn't occurred to you

No it wasn't the Vedas. Nice try but Guru Gobind Singh Ji said those who abandoned the Vedas found god. ਜਿਨ ਮਤਿ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬਨ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥ Jin Mati Beda Kateban Tiaagee ॥ जिन मति बेद कतेबन तिआगी ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੇ ਭੇ ਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ ॥ Paarabarhama Ke Bhe Anuraagee ॥ पारब्रहम के भए अनुरागी ॥ Those who abandoned the path of the Vedas and Katebs, they became the devotees of the Lord. That's the Hindu version of the story. Why would you believe that? He gained the Gurmantar from Guru Sahib, no one else. He wasn't an adherent of Vishnu, not by a long shot. He worshiped the Primordial Lord, not someone enslaved by Maya, it seems you've spent more time learning from Hindus than Tat Gurmukhs. Prahlad was saved because God ordered Vishnu to incarnated and save him. Why call the tool that breaks the nut the force behind it?

They're really nobodies. Average Sikh wouldn't even be aware they exist, they're very insignificant. Sikhs are much more powerful than Hindus in Canada. Our own traitors are more of a threat, as well as the Indian agents who are well hidden behind the scene.

Good idea if you got ways to implement it, there needs to be more people politically aware of canada based hindu extremists. I'm sure canada must have some laws against hate speech and calls to violence all which ron bannerjee has advocated against Sikhs in the past. I'm amazed no canadian Sikh group has got the authorities to take action against him and his racist hindu jewish group of nutjobs. This one man group + a handful of canadian jewish extremists + social media / internet can be quite powerful if you spread hate against your victims to violent ignorants. Remember hitlers mein kemp and views was just that. It was all in the head of one deranged man until he spread his hateful views about jews and others by his book and speeches and soon there was mayhem against minorities in 1930s germany. Ron bannerjee is a very ugly mentall ill hindu bengali extremist but dangerous also because of his ability to spread evil the calls for violence and hate against sikhs, muslims and others.

Yeah but there's still no one more lost than you LoL

That was classic!

Can you please explain what you mean by safety measures that the Gurus have put in place to prevent dogma? Because bani being poetic and musical does not prevent dogma. In fact, in Islam, an Abrahamic relgion, the koran is written in poetic verse. In Christianity, also an Abraham religion, gospels are sung to music. So your argument doesn't exactly hold true here.

I think this thread has gone off-topic. To wrap up the previous argument on my part, I'll say this, I believe that Sikhi is a rule of principles that need to be followed, and therefore it is dogmatic. Now if any of you would like to argue this further, you or I can either make a separate thread for this. I'm hoping that members on this forum can further criticize and contribute to my list. And then eventually, we can collectively come up with a way to put this list into motion and not just talk. I would like many of the things on this list to happen soon, and I would definitely like to be a part of it. So, any suggestions, ideas, criticisms are welcomed.

crochet or knitting ?