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No problem and yes its a real scandal the real issue is the redaction of information as the old saying goes if you got nothing to hide you don't need to worry as the govt keeps telling people when they bring in new anti-privacy spying legislation. This saying also applies to governments if they got nothing to hide why are they blanking out or hiding the files further to an absurd extent? It shows they are criminally libel and explicit to war crimes allegations and damning allegations of mass murder of Sikhs which will change the relationship in legal terms of how the sikhs view the british state because we can then as a collective body ask for reparations for their unwarranted interference in our religious political affairs aswell as the death and destruction of our people at their very planned hands. Sikhs have been nothing but loyal to the british people and state they aided them in various conflicts in empire days. And Sikhs are probably the most integrated migrant and charitable communities the UK has. What has the british state given sikhs back? aiding in their genocide and destroying their nationhood by creating india and pakistan spliting of punjab. So we have alot of grienvence against the british establishment and its about time the Sikhs got politically intelligent find out who these people are in the establishment who authorised our genocide who authorised our loss of sovereignty for their economic benefit. Just as the jews got reparations for what hitlers nazi germany did to them they earnt back billions of dollors and so Sikhs must bring the british and indian government on trial in every international body and court there is so that they are held criminally liable for their crimes against humanity

Canada does have ALOT of open space which i prefer. When i was small the UK seemed so BIG! Now it's just a island.

Exactly how will you impose a boycott on Indian Army? And if you join the army, you should sort of expect some sort of risky deployment. If you don't want that, don't join then! Protesting is just silly. They join on their own anyways. Plus if a boycott is implemented, that's tens of thousands of Sikhs without employment.

I made some observations several times on this forum and facebook regarding the Islamization of our Punjab and some possible consequences. As we all know, unregulated migrant flow to Punjab of UP Muslims and especially Bangladeshi Muslims has had an immense effect on our demographics. Besides that Gujjars have migrated to Punjab in massive numbers, and being from areas such as Jammu and Kashmir they're close to militants. This is evident from the fact that I had mentioned some years ago regarding recorvery of a huge cash of illegal weapons in a Gujjar Dera in Jalandhar area. These Gujjar deras have become dens for terrorists, just see the following excerpt from the news regarding the Gurdaspur terror attack which re-affirms my view: These Gujjars have bhought a lot of land and well settled with houses and mosques in their Deras. The first incidents started happening a few years back when these Muslim immigrants tried to demolish a Gurdwara in Ludhiana. The once virtually empty mosque of Ludhiana is filled with lacs of sul-lay on friday evenings. The rising amount of acid attacks on cows in Malerkotla to provoke the Hindus. Incidents of communal violence have become much more common in recent years if one keeps a close eye on news coming from Punjab, and its mostly always Hindu-Muslim or Sikh-Muslim (barring the dera incidents). The Muslim ex police officers who are also part of the WAQF board have an active role in re-establishing mosques and regaining the land belonging to these mosques (some 480 mosques have been renovated and are active now). Izhar Alam and Mohd Mustapha are spearheading this movement and have even introduced Sharia Panchayats in our beloved Punjab. They have been actively converting poor Sikh children and other Sikhs as shown in the AISSF complaint to Akal Takht Jathedar some time back. We need to wake up before things get worse.

It really isn't. Devtas cant hope to do what Guru Sahib did, they themselves have a physical form. But what Guru Sahib did was be everywhere at once (omnipresent), only God can do that. Sure Indra, Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu can all travel around the universe but none of them can be everywhere at once. Bro you should check out Ancient Aliens, alot of it is really nonsense but some of it is really interesting. You're right imo. They do exist as ethereal beings too (life forms) but physical ones are also there. Once you open your Dasam Dwar you can see all of them. Really fascinating stuff.

THE SIKH VIEW IS SIMILAR TO HINDU BUDDHIST COSMOLIGY .....THE LINK IS AT THE TOP

lol STAY OFF THE CHURCH WINE HA,HA,HA,HA

That's all very well. But everything you've wrote in there, you've also stated it is a Christian view. Where's the Sikh view? Why should I believe it's true? It would be good if you'd have given a Sikhi view as isn't that what we are aiming for?

Why would Badal make Dhumma sit on the ground and ask for Badal's attention like a good dog?

We can visit the universe travelling just with our soul. Because we don't perform any meditation, we believe our body is all we have. However if we can have an out of body experience then we will realise how fast that type of travel is. You just need to imagine where you want to go and you will reach there. If you get too attached to your body then death will be very difficult as you thought it will just be this lifetime you had. Thus people's souls refuse to move on and the jamdhoot have to beat them and lead them on. However a pure soul will be greeted with divine guidance and will gracefully be escorted to a better place - the place they have been meditating upon to see. There have been references of fallen angels coming to earth and reproducing with men. So the present day aliens can actually be just a mix of dna to create forms with a body and also provide them with demonic powers. Scientists mostly believe that some aliens have no digestive system thus their way if feeding is through the skin. This takes place through placing the body in a tank full of human blood so that they can feed. In order to survive and carry on their works they need human bodies, for which they trade information of how to create loads of high tech equipment. Who invented the laser or the mobile phone? There are many new things with no inventors. These aliens are actually demons which have their homes in the universe. They have used human bodies to create hybrid races. They continue to do so and they need the co- operation of humans. They force human scientists to work under them. Lots of things and knowledge is invented to divert people from God. Delivered from the powers of darkness, is a book where the person describes their activities. He visited many such places until he was delivered. There are places under the sea as well. Therefore it is important to stick to your nitnem prayers and ardaas before you leave home. There are powers secretly working to bring you down especially if you are a bhagat of God. All happenings are not caused by God. These beings have ways of manipulating events. The book forms a very good informative read though it has a Christian basis. It demystifies a lot for us which goes on unseen. The book shows the power of uttering the name of God just once. All evil is taken care of and angels are eent for the protection of such a person . Therefore it is important to say Waheguru as much as possible during the daytime.

ehh what about Life forms on other planets? What would you call them? Your long lost twins? Guru Nanak Dev Ji visited another world andgot prasad from there, along with the son of Pir Dastagir whom he showed, the universe is infinitely vast, are you really going to close your mind to the thought of other people like us out there? Aliens are mentioned in Gurbani, the word Alien just isn't used.

This is exactly what some powers around you want. They want you to stop meditating. Go on with full faith. These visions will keep coming however with time, they will change as your karma which has led you to this will get cancelled out. Keep praying no matter what. God is fearless. Perform mool mantra jap for getting the fearless quality in you too.

The Hindus of Panjab were more stronger in the east. There they forced all the muslims out from areas like gurgaon and such. They certainly did not avoid any violence there. In central Panjab the Sikhs were mainly holding their own. In western Panjab, both Hindus and Sikhs were getting decimated. Speak for yourself. The only problem I have with the killing of Muslims on our side is that we didn't kill enough and made the grave mistake of letting any muslims live in East Panjab as Muslims. The minority of Sikhs that stayed in Panjab had to convert to Islam. Yet in East Panjab, our lot were still reluctant to let the Muslims go, adn then if they stayed , let them stay as Muslims. Today there are more Muslims in Jalandhar district than Sikhs in the whole of Pakistan and Afghanistan combined. Some 95% of the Muslims voted for Muslim League and Pakistan. They were ultimately responsible for partition. Even bhiaris or gujarati muslims, all those who voted for muslim league were responsible for pakistan. Amritsar from the 1941 consensus was 47% muslim. What? If it wasn't for Master Tara Singh and Gyani Kartar Singh, the Sikhs would have taken a hiding ALL over Panjab. Master and Gyani both knew that there would be a huge violent outbreak at partition and prepared for it. Using Master Ji's hindu birth against him is a low act. read about his life and you will see.

What makes you think the parent keeps their kesh because they want to? From my experience the majority of those dad's would cut their hair (indeed many do and wear the dastaar when around family, but not at work or with non family social circles). They only wear a pug because of family pressure/appearances. Their children are free of such pressure so they let them be monah. It's not really an issue anyway because it's what is going on in the head that counts and not outward appearances.

That 'Seven Days in Summer: countdown to Partition' bakwaas programme was so inaccurate it was pathetic. They basically insinuated that muslims reacted in revenge to earlier sikh bombing of a muslim train frm delhi. Yet if these planks did an ounce of research, they would of atleast mentioned, that, jinnah in 1946' had started the war against kuffar sikhs. I find it annoying how, wen sikhs dont study partition n always fink we were slapped around by muslims. Fact is that had sikhs started violence earlier in 46, we would of taken even more of w.panjab, rather than get wat we did in the end. Havin only 15% population of panjab, and all sikh tribes/castes working together like bandits/fauj, we annihilated muslims in central/south/e.panjab, where the population ratio was 50/50, 55/45, 60/40 etc. When u look back on partition, the role of cowardly panjabi hindus, shud never be underestimated. The pr!cks, if they had any meat n 2 veg in their trousers would of joined in n helped sikhs to claim more land from muslims. But they jus sat back like hijras n took shitther. Whilst obviously we dont condone the disgraceful violence our grandparents/g.grandparents did on muslims, if u study partition, it feels like it had to be done. Cud u imagine amritsar ending up pakistan? It would have, since it was 51% majority muslim.

If we really are serious about wanting our own country we need to get away from the mindset of always trying to prove that we gave the most sacrifices for freeing a country which in turn enslaved us and committed genocide against us. You can only shame people who have morals and a sense of justice. The Indians have none of that. By us trying to prove that we were more nationalist then they are we are just playing their game and in the end we will lose. We need to show the coming generations that just as thousands of Sikhs struggled to free India from the British ten times that number struggled to try and gain freedom for the Sikhs FROM India. If we keep on harking back to Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Shaheed Udham Singh whose sacrifices no doubt were great but then we forget that in the 1980s and 90s there were thousands of Sikhs who did no less these two martyrs. We need to develop and propagate our own narrative free from the narrative of the Indian state. Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh's struggle was a diversion away from the main Sikh struggle for Khalsa Raj. Also the game of one-upmanship is an unnecessary diversion away from our struggle. You will notice that no one in the Indian establishment ever counters these figures which can in fact be easily countered by including the tens of thousands of non-Sikhs who died in the Indian mutiny. That has already been promoted as a war of independence. This is because it suits the Indian establishment for Sikhs to be diverted into showing how much they gave for India because they are also showing that wanting freedom from India would be a betrayal of all those Sikhs who gave their lives for Indian independence. Also in the list there is included the Namdhari movement, it is unclear due to the mass of misinformation that has been written firstly by the British who feared the movement as an attempt to bring down their rule and secondly by the Namdhari writers after 1947 who wanted to show the martyrs as fighters for Indian independence and Baba Ram Singh as a precursor to MK Gandhi. It's unclear whether the Namdharis were only against cow slaughter and wanted religious reform or whether they aspired to resurrect the Khalsa Raj in Punjab. The other item on the list - the Akali movement has been included in the so-called battle for independence when it was nothing of the sort. The Akali movement was solely aimed at brining the Gurdwaras under the control of the Sikh community and away from the Mahants. The fact that a solely religious movement was subverted and presented as a political movement owes a lot to the interference of MK Gandhi who tried unsuccessfully to get the Akalis to suspend the agitation for the Gurdwaras and instead join his so-called fight for freedom. Kartar Singh Jabbar who took an active part in the struggle convinced the Akali leadership that if they suspended the agitation until after independence the struggle for the Gurdwaras would be well nigh impossible in a 'free' India ruled by the Hindus. Instead of putting up and sharing lists trying to show how many Sikhs died for Indian freedom why do we not put up and share lists which show how that number is miniscule to the number of Sikhs throughout history who struggled for Sikh freedom? Let's do a quick count. Out of the figure of 3697 take away the Akali movement and the imprisonment for life and you get roughly a figure of 1050 Sikhs who died for Indian independence. Now look at the Sikhs who died for Sikh freedom. First the tens of thousands who died in the 18th century to create the Khalsa Raj. Then the tens of thousands who died fighting to defend the Khalsa Raj from the British in the Anglo-Sikhs wars. Then the main leaders who were exiled for life such as Bhai Maharaj Singh. Then comes Maharaja Duleep Singh and his attempts to get back his kingdom from the British. Then you have the Babbar Akalis who fought a violent campaign in the 1920s against the colonial state. After that the Akali Dal demand for a Sikh state in 1946 and then the Khalistan movement from the 1980s onwards. Let's not place great emphasis on 1050 Sikhs who died for Indian independence when over a 100 times that number gave their lives for Sikh freedom. Those 1050 were a blip or a temporary deviation from the main current of Sikh history which is towards the creation of a Sikh state.

The book is the highly biased " The Sikhs in action" published by the Pakistan government in 1948. The page he was reading was page 30. The whole book can be read here-; https://ia601601.us.archive.org/12/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.71854/2015.71854.The-Sikhs-In-Action.pdf Page 33 is interesting in that it relates to an attack by a Jatha on Qadian. What the propaganda book fails to mention that between the transfer of power on 15th August and the announcement of the Radcliffe award on 17th August Gurdaspur was widely regarded to have gone to Pakistan and as a result in those two days the Muslims of Gurdaspur district attacked the Sikhs and Hindus but when the Radcliffe award gave Gurdaspur to India the tables were turned and the attack on Qadian is the retaliation for Muslim attacks on Sikhs and Hindus during those two day.

Ok so for someone who has had his running battles with both Jagsaw and Daily - Jagsaw for being an Islamophilic dhimmi and Daily for his anti-Jat jihad, I should be loving the last few posts but what I see here is a pointless argument from which we will learn nothing and which just shows how entrenched some views have become among Sikhs.Guru Nanak has said in Gurbani Maas Maas kar Moorakh jhagray - fools argue over meat. The simple fact is that just like the general population some Sikhs eat meat and some are vegetarian. It's not up to me to say who is right and who is wrong. If you are Amritdhari then you need to follow what your Panj Piare told you about the rehat you have to follow. If your Panj Piare told you to refain from all meat then that is what you have to do and if they told you that Jhatka meat is allowed then you can eat Jhatka meat IF you want to. The worst thing you can do is to deride another Sikh who eats Jhatka or as a Jhatka eater a vegetarian Sikh for not eating Jhatka. As an Amritdhari how does the fact that another Amritdhari is eating or not eating Jhatka impacting on your life? This is the most important question you have to consider.

An indian origin guy goes for a job interview. Interviewer : "Can you please write your name in English on this paper?" Interviewer : "Are you sure this is your name" Man : "Of course, I am sure that this is my name" Interviewer "So your name is...PRETTY RED PANTIES"? Man : "Yes sir, you told me to write my name in English, but in Punjabi my name is "SUNDAR LAL CHADHA" !!

I think the Khalistan Movement is a grey area, The basic demand of the Sikh majority was for Punjabi to be the official language of Punjab and rightfully so. But the Indian govt denied the Punjabi public this basic right. My fellow Punjabi Hindu's (I am Punjabi Hindu but I fellow Sikhism more closely and I am Punjabi 1st I shall explain my situation in detail later on ) supported the Indian govt and stated that there language is Hindi which quite frankly is <banned word filter activated> . If they had supported Punjabi language movement this would never have been Sikh vs Hindu issue it would have been a Punjabi vs Indian govt issue and I am sure this would have put more pressure on the Indian govt to make Punjabi the official state language of Punjab instead of spitting Punjab into 3 states. All this dispute lead to the Indian govt shutting off Punjab and not meeting the basic demands of the Sikh's whom did not even ask for a separate state and wished to remain in India at the time . Indira Gandhi who was power hungry who not willing to negotiate with Janrnail Singh Bhindranwale who took arms at the Harmandir Shaib. Again at this stage negations could have happened but instead Indira decided to send The army in and attack the holy place when it was the day of Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji,The temple was packed and as result of the attack many, many innocent people lost there lives. If Indira wanted to killed and capture the militants they could have given enough warning and not attacked the temple on such a holy day to ensure no innocent lives were not lost., The timing and manner of the attack makes it an attack on the Sikh Faith, It was a terrorist attack ordered by Indira Gandhi . There were people who offered to arrest Janrnail Singh Bhindranwale who should have been given a fair trail. THERE WAS NO NEED TO ATTACK THE HARMANDIR SHAIB and was worst is the British had part to play in this . This is where the Khalistan movement gained full momentum . Indira Gandhi had to pay for her action one way or the other. you cannot commit a sin and get away with it. I only wish the Indian public could have seen this instead of thinking Indira was saint. the whole 1984 riots were barbaric and it was not only just a sad day for India but humanity as whole. Yes Hindu's were killed in Punjab aswell but the crimes committed by then Indian govt were far greater. Back to present day I can fully understand the angry so Sikhs and the fact the people like Jagish Tyler have not been brought to justice I fully support Sikhs on this matter. As for Khalistan I am still secular pro and I would want full justice to be done for Sikhs and Punjab given the support its needs. I would like a new Indian govt who is pro secular and not a Hindu/RSS party but if that cannot happen and Indian system cannot change then Khalistan should happen.

delhi sarkar no matter who was in charge mughal, angrez, congress, BJP , RSS has been against the SIkhs because we are free thinkers and revolutionary in spirit compared to aam sheeple ... be careful to not in your broad sweep discount our whole historical experience ...it has been the Brahminvad xenophobes and criminals who have wanted us gone , those who actually have gian , can recognise Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the jot they should follow and have become sikhs

Is it not strange that someone from J&K can move into Punjab and other states yet due to Article 370 no one from other states can move into J&K.Nawaz Sharif the prime minister of Pakistan is from one of these families that were Amritsar Kashmiris.

Jonny is right, you are confusing the Gujjars or Punjab with those of J&K, I have lived in Punjab during the 70s and do not recall seeing an Gujjars like you see today. These Gujjars have been coming to Punjab only in the early 2000s. They have been bought to Punjab as part of a conspiracy and are then settled on wakf board land. The Kashmiris of Amritsar were not Gujjars but traders and craftsmen and were a part of the Amritsar social scene from the 1800s ti 1947. They migrated to Amritsar from Kashmir because of the unsettled conditions during the Afghan rule in Kashmir.

Hindus and Sikhs were part of the fabric in West Punjab. Sikhs were involved in clearing the jungles to create the canal colonies, Sikhs played a large part in Lyalpur (now known as Faisalabad) Hindus dominated a lot of the businesses in Lahore, Sikhs dominated land and business in Sialkot and Rawalpindi. Where are the Sikhs and HIndus now? I don't see what the point of looking is in looking into the past with this pre-partition fetish, those days aren't coming back. Let us focus on the question in hand. Is there really an Islamifisation of East Punjab, if this is the case then they will have to compete with the Christian Evangelisation and Derafication. It would be against the RSS's interests to see Sikhs obliterated from Punjab as these types see us as useful tools, if there are no Sikhs left they will lose their buffer on the western border. They know that the Hindu Punjabi will do nothing and run like cowards which is why RSS has been keen to ensure that any Sikhs being enticed to become Christian should remain Sikh as a Christian Punjab will mean foreign intervention if it decides to break away. Even though I do not trust Hindutva groups, we cannot tar them with them with the same brush as they all have different motivations. RSS is a different animal to the Shiv Sena. Shiv Sena are a bunch of thugs whereas the RSS are more strategic in their thinking. The problem with us Sikhs is that we are too emotionally driven, we need to think more rationally with clear heads and think more strategically.We need to study our opponents and understand the bigger picture. This is part of being a Sant-Sipahi.

The answer is crystal clear Paji. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million plus reparations (in the form of international development funding by the UK Government) ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol (and the surviving victims of the Genocide against Sikhs launched by Indira Gandhi and her son Rajiv) etc ... given the then UK Government's assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. The Sikh Council UK, Kesri Lehar, Sikhs for Justice, Sikh Federation UK etc need to join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years and we can push them on that. If we write in our hundreds to them, then they in turn will consider our input. The Department for International Development regularly doles out billions overseas (around £9billion globally last year) so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try and we effectively lobby for it with one united voice as this is common sense. I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that). Should we not succeed in getting Cameron to commit £100million to help those suffering various problems in Punjab etc we can always play our own part in making 2014 a year of meaningful progression for our Panth to mark 30 years of hurt. With the painful history of 1984 and the subsequent Genocide of Sikhs that occurred ... there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible, if we seriously care about the future of our Panth. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty ... and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu, Swahili, Yoruba and all African languages etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. As JasSinghKhalsa Ji said> let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact our local Sikh organisations and us as normal Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!

UKL = Paji i think that exposes why SAD (Amritsar) are not taken seriously and don't muster 1% of MLA's. By falsely accusing Talwandi, Longowal and Tohra of being complicit in the most anti-Sikh desecration of the 20th Century is a disgrace, when people on the ground and constituents of the aforementioned can see otherwise. Instead of SAD (Amritsar) accusing fellow Sikhs wose life actions for the Panth speak for themselves they should concentrate on what we can all unitedly now do 30 years later to get our Qaum out of the mess we are in since 1984. lsingh, on 07 Feb 2014 - 20:50, said: UKL = We the UK based Sikh Panth should unite and with a 500,000 plus voice demand reparations from the Treasury for the UK Government's complicity in the Genocide of Sikhs. JasSinghKhalsa, on 07 Feb 2014 - 20:55, said: The answer is crystal clear Paji. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million plus reparations (in the form of international development funding by the UK Government) ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol (and the surviving victims of the Genocide against Sikhs launched by Indira Gandhi and her son Rajiv) etc ... given the then UK Government's assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. The Sikh Council UK, Kesri Lehar, Sikhs for Justice, Sikh Federation UK etc need to join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years and we can push them on that. The Department for International Development regularly doles out billions overseas (around £9billion globally last year) so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try and we effectively lobby for it with one united voice as this is common sense. I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that). Should we not succeed in getting Cameron to commit £100million to help those suffering various problems in Punjab etc we can always play our own part in making 2014 a year of meaningful progression for our Panth to mark 30 years of hurt. With the painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!

UKL = We the UK based Sikh Panth should unite and with a 500,000 plus voice demand reparations from the Treasury for the UK Government's complicity in the Genocide of Sikhs. The answer is crystal clear Paji. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million plus reparations (in the form of international development funding by the UK Government) ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol (and the surviving victims of the Genocide against Sikhs launched by Indira Gandhi and her son Rajiv) etc ... given the then UK Government's assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. The Sikh Council UK, Kesri Lehar, Sikhs for Justice, Sikh Federation UK etc need to join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years and we can push them on that. The Department for International Development regularly doles out billions overseas (around £9billion globally last year) so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try and we effectively lobby for it with one united voice as this is common sense. I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that). Should we not succeed in getting Cameron to commit £100million to help those suffering various problems in Punjab etc we can always play our own part in making 2014 a year of meaningful progression for our Panth to mark 30 years of hurt. With the painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!

UK = The dhadi jatha were clearly wrong on their facts Khalsa Ji. If they don't respect Master Tara Singh they shouldn't stoop so low with such an accusation. No true Sikh on the planet will ever dissuade new entrants to the Panth and Master Tara Singh was a sincere Sikh by conviction. He could easily have lived a comfortable life as a Hindu but instead he chose the Khalsa Panth by sincerity of conviction. UK = Don't forget that these jathedars were often British lackeys who chose to define Sikhs in the 1940's Rehat Maryada in such a way as to limit our Panth's population to as small a demographic as possible, which we saw the future consequences of in the Punjabi Suba issue as well as 1984 ... that defining our Panth's population to as small a number as possible (whilst our enemies cleverly do the exact opposite) is the most course of action for the SGPC to take. UK = Simply not true Atwal Ji. The so-called Sikh country in which 87% of the population were non-Sikhs is something the British would never have countenanced given that they gave Sri Nankana Sahib to their Muslim jagirdar friends. The British Empire never gave a damn about the Sikhs and so much is proved by the fact that Sikhs shouldered the majority of the responsibility of freeing erstwhile "British" India (as seen in martyrdom figures and prisoners etc, etc) UK = Some of the mentioned population figures in the link are over-exaggerated but the Jatav community (Mayawati's), Kabirpanthi's, Satnami's Vanjara's, Sikligars etc can certainly bring a combined new Sikh Panth population to in excess of 10 crores. However, are we ready to accept our non-Punjabi brothers and sisters as sehajdhari members of the Sikh Panth or is it important that we follow the RSS orders to define them as Hindu's? UK = Lakhs of Maharashtra Dalitrs did convert to Buddhism. In fact the Buddhist population of India has risen from a few thousand to almost one crore currently on the strength of Dr Ambedkar's conversion alone. Even 10 million extra Sikhs would have boosted the Panth ability to serve humanity for Sarbat Da Bhala to a massive degree. UK = Jashb always makes great points but I disagree with Paji on this matter. As for nationalist politics, I think we need to substantially eradicate drugs, female foeticide, socio-economic and cultural discrimination within the Panth, alcohol, poverty, poor health and illiteracy within the Panth as pre-cursors for being in "shape" to win the freedom from terrorist control that all of us desire. UK = 100% agree with you Paji (as well as great points by Proactive Paji and Jonny Paji as usual) UK = We can start by doing two things - cleaning up our act in Punjab itself (see the threads relating Dhan Dhan (Gur) Ravidas Ji Maharaj and Badal funding the 115cr Valmiki Mandir in Amritsar) and accepting that we need at least 10 crore sehajdhari's for every 10 lakh true Amritdhari's we hope to add to the Panth. So let's stop labelling all those sehajdhari's with faith in Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj as non-Sikhs. The Puratan definition of a Sikh was anyone of any background who bowed down before Maharaj. UK = It pleases me Paji to say that, for once, I wholeheartedly agree with you. UK = I don't believe the allegation against Master Tara Singh Ji. Though I would believe it in relation to Baldev Singh. UK = Sikhi alone, would have been the answer to ending oppression (globally) and it still is. UK = Mehtab Paji i agree with you. However, Sikh leaders should have realised that even if Ambedkar Ji didn't quite fully comprehend Sikhi (as anyone that does only opts for believing it) the millions he would have bought into the Panth could transform the fight against oppression and potentially prevented 1984 from happening had we been numerically stronger. To view non-Punjabi sehajdhari (Dalit) brothers and sisters on the basis of 1940's Rehat Maryada in contradiction to the Puratan definition of a Sikh was a grave mistake to allow Baldev Singh to make (when Baldev Singh did not represent the Panth). UK = In 1947 India, the Arab word Hindu was seen to encompass all those of Sanatan Dharmic faith schools which include Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhi. Clearly, the rise of Hindutva has meant that all now understand that Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains are not Hindu and never will be. Even Master Tara Singh was merely a nominal signatory of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad in the days when Hindu stood for non-Muslim (outside of Punjab). UK = By making all constituents elements of the Panth a minority (for example Punjabi's would have become a minority) it would have encouraged respect for diversity within the Panth. It would have eased the re-integration of tens of crorores of Satnami, Kabirpanthi, Jatavs etc into the Sikh Panth and prevented the splintering funded by RSS and Congress in Punjab's villages (with the aim of making Sikhs a minority in East Punjab by the 2021 census) UK = If our population ever reached 22 crores the Sikh Panth would be the strongest, most united and most "not to be messed with" block within the country. The day would thereafter follow whereby the whole of India would become Khalistan by virtue of a Sikh majority. Right now we are (if we ignore casteism) likely to become a minority in East Punjab by the 2021 census which is only 7 and a half years away. Bear in mind that the Brahmins number 5crores, as do Rajputs, Yadavs and Jatavs similarly. So an individual basis we are not far off matching the biggest non-Muslim communities initially if we can return to the fundamental truths of Sikhi rather than sinking into the drugs, alcohol, caste, illiteracy, infanticide traps laid out by Congress and their RSS allies in the ongoing (silent) Genocide of Sikhs.

How old are you Kid ? Muslims are worst but it doesn't mean we should become Hindustanis . I see Sikhs more safe in western countries then in Asian countries. I dont how many of you know that so many Sikhs are on the hit list of Philippines mafia everyday there is news of Sikh man killed . We should wait and try to do more to make our community strong specially in India . Time will come when Hindus and Muslims will be on street against each other and that time Sikhs should remain neutral and will strike when it counts .

the christians were just numbers for the muslim league. what about the ahmadis? the main guy who debated the pakistan argument was an ahmadi, chosen to rep the muslim league in the 4s0s and now they cant even call themsleves muslims.

ATTARI: Despite Pakistan's government's repeated assurances of instilling a sense of security among its minority communities, the Hindus of Pakistan continue to bear the wrath of fundamentalists and are still being persecuted on the basis of their religion. Though a majority of them are tight-lipped upon arriving in India fearing punishment back home if they criticize their own government, a few prefer to vent their anger fanned by constant humiliation. Daulat Ram is one such person who is fed up of the daily humiliation by radicals in Pakistan and is willing to migrate to India if he finds a business opportunity here. "Nothing is well there. We are forced to live like animals and keep our mouth shut," he said adding that they (fundamentalists) come to their houses and places of work carrying Kalashnikovs and plunder whatever they have. "They take away ornaments, harass the women and there is no one to listen to us," he said. When asked about forced conversions, he said "Don't ask what happens." After spending a major part of his life in Pakistan, Daulat Ram, in mid 60s, said that not only he, but a majority of Hindus were willing to migrate to India. "Let the Indian government provide us with job opportunities and then see how many Hindus will leave Pakistan for good," he said. Another Pakistani Hindu who didn't want to give his name buttressed Daulat Ram's claims. "He has dared to say all this, which is true, but everyone can't speak like him. We have to live there and take care of our families too," he said. He also said that Hindu girls were still being forced to marry Muslims and embrace Islam. However, another Hindu, Manohar Lal, countered their opinion. He said that, "Things have changed now. Earlier there were some problems as Hindus were being subjected to humiliation but not anymore." Asked about the willingness of Hindus extend their Indian visa's validation he said, "We have been given one-month visa of 7 cities and we have to go back. We will not get long-term visa to stay in India" he said. http://www.samachar.com/Pakistani-Hindus-seek-Indian-govts-support-to-stay-back-nkquNNddhbi.html?source=recommended_news

UK = Sangha, Master Tara Singh was more Sikh than you or I could ever be. Would you make the same accusation against Bhai Lehna Ji? UK = Excellently said Jonny Paji (as usual) UK = The sad thing is Mehtab Paji is that the same wretched disgraces who hold such opinions don't realise that they thereby disqualify themselves as Sikhs ... since Sikhi isn't acquired via birth > but by belief and sincere convictions and actions! UK = Sangha let's do some simple mathematics as obviously English is not your forte. More than 20% of the Sikh population was killed off in Pakistan in 1947. In India, during the Congress inflicted Genocide of Sikhs around 1% of the Sikh population was killed off. Even the death of a single Sikh (or any innocent human being) is unforgiveable but according to which Genocidal Criteria do you declare Pakistan to be a better place for Sikhs to have gone to in 1947? It's like saying Nazi Germany was a better place for Jews compared to New York City due to anti-semitism present in NYC in the 1980's. UK = Given that the Punjabi Muslims (who were never your enemies but are your beloved friends in Huddersfield and other wonderful parts of Yorskire like Bradford) killed off 20% of the Sikh population in Pakistan in 1947, you're arguing that the Indira+Rajiv orchestrated Genocide of Sikhs was as bad as the equivalent of 5million plus Sikhs being killed off in 1947 by Pakistani Muslims. UK = 75,000 to 100,000 Sikhs were killed in the earlier vada+cchota Muslim GhalluGhara's of Sikhs when over 50% of our Panth's population at those times was murdered in Genocide by Muslims prior to the existence of the apartheid (Islamic) state of Pakistan. UK = Nobody stands united with the murderers of Sikhs but no I certainly don't hold 99% of innocent Hindu's guilty for the Indira+Rajiv orchestrated Genocide of Sikhs. 99% plus of all Punjabi Muslims vehemently supported Jinnah and the Muslim League's aims to ethnically cleanse all Sikhs from Pakistan (and indeed Amritsar, Jalandhar and Ludhiana too had our Qaum not had the balanced demographics with Muslims that we did in 1947 in Doaba, Malwa and Majha)

correction: Atleast 200,000 Sikhs died in 1947 alone. Many Sikh genocides have occurred at the hands of Muslims. In the 1700s alone about hundreds of thousands of Sikhs were killed through various genocide at the hands of Mulsims. I've known Muslims all my life. I have Muslim friends since childhood. But I've noticed that Sikhs and Muslims get along with each other as long as they are on equal footing or if Sikhs have the upper hand. But if Muslims get the upper hand then they begin to mistreat us. Now the thing with Hindus. Sikhs and Hindus generally get along with each other, many even marry with each other and have rishtedari with each other. Hindus are especially good when they are your co slaves, but if they get power, they will also get drunk with power, they will forget all the sacrifices you have done for them in the past history. Lesson for us and future generations is that if we come across such a situation where circumstances are favorable for us to establish Sikh Raaj, then we need to seize such an opportunity for the sake of future Sikh generations because we've lived under Islamic rule and Hindu rule and both have been a bad experience in which Sikhs have experienced genocide. The best time we had was when we lived under our own Raaj. In fact under Sikh Raaj(in Punjab, Kashmir and NW Frontier) neither Hindus nor Muslims were persecuted by the Sikhs. In Sikh Raaj, there was never any Hindu-Muslim riots nor any Shia Sunni violence as we see today under Hindu and Muslim Raaj of India and Pakistan.

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

Although the best thing for Sikhs would have been their own state. However, some times I do think joining Pakistan would have been better for us. We knew from the beginning that Muslims are our enemy, so we would have never trusted them like Hindus. Chances of us getting massacred by them would have been less because we would have been more prepared. Moreover, we would have never joined Pakistan without getting concessions. Also, these concessions would have been in writing (read constitution ), not what we did with Nehru and Gandhi. And, our population compared to Muslims would have been better percent wise, unlike India where we are less than 2 percent. That is just a thought, still being with Muslims would have been an issue, but Sikhs are better at fighting the enemy they know and not good with the one who act like a friend.

Often, converts are even more passionate for a cause than those who were born into the religion. They have gone out of their way to find this path. I doubt Master Tara Singh was a puppet. Even after independence he still fought for a punjabi speaking state and was arrested numerous times. His granddaughter is a member if the SGPC today. However one thing Sikhs could have benefitted from was having a highly educated politically aware leader. Jinnah, Nehru and Gandhi all went to Oxford/Cambridge and were sly enough. Perhaps Tara Singh was too honest and gullible.

If it wasn't for Mastar Tara Singh, today Punjab would have been part of Pakistan. And for that, most of his family was butchered during partition. Being born into another faith has nothing to do with one's loyalty. Baba Banda Singh Bahadur was born and raised as a Hindu before he converted to Sikhi and became the leader of the Sikh Qaum and established the first Sikh Raaj. Prof Sahib Singh Jee was born a Hindu before becoming a Sikh and becoming one of the greatest Sikh scholars. Besides former Hindus, you will even find many examples of Sikhs who were former Muslims, but lived and died as Sikhs. On the other side of the spectrum, Badal, KPS Gill, Gen Brar, Dayal etc are born and raised as Sikhs, yet we know where their loyalties lie.

Why does the Indian Government and establishment have no objection to Christian Evangelical Networks and Saudi Islamist Networks to try to convert the Dalits but have issue for parchar done by Sikhs. The Indian mentality is an odd one, if it comes from outside and can subvert their population which can be used as a fifth column they are OK with it, but anything which is "Dharmic" that does not fit into the Brahmin Hierarchy they are not happy with it. Even if they are able to profit from it (due to the mercantile mentality), ultimately they will be reconquered again and become slaves once more.

This will all add up. The economy is now doing bad. Some states like Gujarat are doing good while some are doing bad(like the Naxal infested states). Add to this China is increasingly challenging India's territorial integrity and India does nothing to save what little izzat is left. All of Kashmiri Muslims are up in rebellion and are openly shouting pro Pakistan slogans. 2014 when the Americans will leave Afghanistan, that will also have bad consequences for India on the Kashmir front. Pakistanis are increasingly becoming more and more Kattar and Islamised. In India, some places like west Bengal and Kerala have such large Muslim communities, they are already acting like they rule those states. Next Indian elections if Modi will be elected he will probably take a tough approach towards Indian Muslims and Pakistan "to put them in their place". Add to this, since the fall of the Sikh militant movement, Sikhs today are increasingly feeling like Ghulams due to Rajoana case, bluestar memorial, Prof Bhullar, Ban of Sada Haq, injustice of 1984 etc. All these factors are ingredients for a future turmoil in India. Right now, Sikhs just need to focus all their attention towards Parchar. Make the current Sikhs who have become Patit and turn them into Amritdhari Gursikhs and do parchar to non Sikhs. If one can do parchar themselves then do it, if not then give Daswand to Singhs who can and who show results(like the Singhs in Madhya Pradesh). I was reading a book just yesterday "issaee parcharak naal swaal-jwaab"(question answers with Christian missionaries) written by Capt Yaspal Singh. The author has debated and beaten many Christian missionaries in Punjab. Although he has a dislike for them, but he says that even though Christianity is just an imperfect faith full of contradictions, yet still Christian missionaries continue to spread their faith due to their selfless dedication while Sikhs who have the best religion do nothing. He said every Sikh should do parchar of Sikhi. Do parchar to your family, relatives, friends if you cannot go to India and do parchar there. Do anything to bring anyone close to Sikhi. This is our duty.

The lesson to learn is that your selection of a leader is no small matter. No. It is a gravely important matter that will affect your life; your children's lives; your grandchildren's lives; and possibly even your grandchildren's grandchildren's lives. So think carefully before you trust anyone, on whom you have even the slightest doubt about their integrity, or their ability to understand higher level politics, to represent you, st the highest level; like Master Tara Singh/Gadhaar's Baldev Singh/Longowal/Barnala/Badal; and the countless spineless, selfish, pygmy leaders, no doubt to come, who will likewise carry on the tradition, initiated by nehru, of wining, and dining, at the panth's cost. You have a choice to make today. You can't change the past, but you can change the future. YOUR choice, is THEIR future. Very easy question. The answer is four short words. Sant Jarnail Singh Jee. There is a short and quick answer to this question. No. There is no one alive today that possesses the political astuteness; disarming charisma; ability to win over both his foes, and the the masses; exalted spiritual status; exceptional organisational and man-management skills; ability to strike fear into the heart of the enemy; incredible, for this dark age of kalyug, integrity; forthright bravery; outstanding fearlessness; and sheer testicular fortitude that Sant Jee displayed in his short time on earth. Go backwards, and forwards, in world history, and I assure you; you will not find a leader, who did so much, with so little, and so weak, at his disposal; with the entire forces of the world's so called largest "democracy" and the world's fourth largest army dead set against him; with even his own baying for his blood, and possibly the most oppressive government that his community has ever known. Yet, in circumstances that his community's deepest enemies could not have dreamed of; this simple, yet true "mard" made a fool of that very government right under it's nose. A "mard" who claimed nothing for himself, and referred to himself as simply "Jarnail Singh"; yet who became the object of a thousand conferred titles; eulogised to this day, across the world, as the single greatest freedom fighting entity in the world in living history. A jeonda jaagda tasveer of Anakh, Sach, Dharma, Haq, and Insaaf; The living nightmare, to this day, for his community's worst enemies; And last, but not least, a real "Sant", in the deepest sense of the word. If there were a hundred thousand ways to praise him, it would not be enough. "Khudha tumko nahin kehte, magar Shaan-e-Khudha tum ho". I have not seen God; but I have seen the very image of God. Sant Jarnail Singh Jee, 1947-1984.

It is unfortunate for the Sikhs that Churchill lost the election after the war and Atlee's Labour government came to power. The Labour leaders were supportive of Nehru who they thought was a socialist, whereas Churchill made derogatory comments about Nehru and Gandhi calling them 'half men' and 'the naked fakir'. Leo Amery , Churchills minister for India did try and work out a just settlement for Sikhs , the autonomous or independent state that is talked about, however it was Baldev Singh who put his personal interests ahead and rejected the offer after talking to Nehru and Gandhi. Baldev Singh was offered all sorts of positions of power and wealth by Nehru in India, but was only given the job of Defence minister after 1947. Baldev Singh died early and is said to have regretted what he had done on his death bed, but it was to late.

Due to popular media's negative influence, our current thinking is very anti children, and anti family. Women are being taught from a young age to become feminists and our men are being taught to become feminine. Due to this impotent and barren way of thinking, today we think of children as being a burden. Traditionally a Sikh couple had many many children. Not like the current 1 or 2. During olden times, when a holyman or elderly person would bless a woman, the blessing would always be for having more children(ਦੂਦੋ ਨਹਾਓ ਪੂਤੋ ਫਲੋ) because children were rightly thought of as being a bundle of joy. For any community or nation to increase, they must have a healthy amount of children which is a minimum of 3 children per couple. In addition to parchar we ourselves can also do our part by having more kids per couple. Every Sikh child is a future Saint Soldier of the Sikh nation. The more Saint Soldiers to serve the Panth the better.

The population of Vanjaras and Sikligars are highly inflated. The Vanjaras are 3-4 million and the Sikligars about 2 lakh. The Sikligars are Keshdhari Sikhs who due to their illiteracy are counted as Hindus. The Vanjaras are monas but they have a mix of Hindu and Sikh beliefs.The Satnamis are similar to the Vanjaras. It is possible that if we had a concerted effort at doing Sikhi parchar then the Sikh population could double in the next ten years, going from 22 million to 44 million. I have been researching the census figures for Sikhs in India and they seem to highly flawed, especially the 2001 figures which are the latest to be released. Unlike the 1960's, in India language is not as political as religion is. It is possible census enumerators who are politically inspired to count many Sikhs as Hindus but as language is not political they do not misreport the language figures. I was in India during the 2001 census and it is the enumerator who fills in the census form and not the householder. So the enumerator can tick any box and the householder would not be aware of it. Take the figures for Delhi In 1991 the number of Punjabi speakers was 748,145 and the number of Sikhs was 455,657 so making Sikhs 60.90% of Punjabi speakers. But in 2001 the number of Punjabi speakers were 988.980 and the Sikhs were 555,602 making the Sikhs 56.17% of Punjabi speakers. So, between 1991 and 2001 the Punjabi speakers increased by 32% but the Sikhs only increased by 22% ! Put another way, this means that non-Sikhs speaking Punjabi increased from 292,488 to 433,378 which is an increase of 48%! What makes the figures all the more strange is that the tendency to list Hindi as their language is more stronger among Punjabi Hindus than Sikhs, yet the figures above are the exact opposite. The above is just a rough calculation. There is no doubt many Sikhs in Delhi might give Hindi as their language but this would actually make the above figures more unbelievable and the Sikh numbers under counted. The above figures would only make sense if increasing numbers of Hindus were listing their language as Punjabi which would be unbelievable. In 1990 here was a migration of many thousands of Punjabi Hindus from the rural areas of Punjabi to Delhi but this would make little impact on the numbers for 2001.

Ideally, what the Brits should have done is give back the land to the people they took it from. They took North India from the Sikhs and to the Sikhs they should have given it back. Instead they gave it to the Hindus and Muslims to divide amongst each other. One lesson we can learn from 1947 is that no matter how much land the Sikhs own or how rich we become, but in today's world it is demographics which wins the day. The only reason Sikhs don't have their own country is because demographically we are insignificant. Before partition, we did not form a majority in any district even though we dominated Punjab economically and culturally. In the end, half our population was rendered homeless and we lost land which was the birth place of our faith. Had Sikhs even been 1/3 of undivided Punjab's population, that would have made a huge difference. Today all Sikhs should focus on is doing Parchar of the Sikh Dharm. We need to increase our demographic count. If you cannot do parchar yourself, give Daswand to any group which is going parchar to non Sikhs like the Singhs in Madhya Pradesh. Parchar is the only thing that matters most right now.

There is ONLY ONE solution to fight the tyranny of Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan, and that is the Amrit of Sahib-E-Kamaal Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj! I hereby call upon and request ALL those communities who want to live with dignity and honor to become Singhs and Kaurs if they want their future generations to live with dignity and honor. Whether its the Hindus of Afghanistan, or the Hindus of Pakistan (Sindh/Balochistan), or the Kashmiri Pandits, or the Dalits, or any other community suffering humiliation by these two countries. Guru Sahib called out in 1699, He has been calling out ever since! Become Khalsa, unite, and no one will dare to inflict any misery on you ever again. If you don't trust me, read up on history. Read about the Shaheeds of Chamkaur Sahib, they included Singhs from Dalit and Kashmiri Pandit ancestry. See how they became ferocious lions after taking Amrit! Even in ripe old age they stood with weapons in front of 10 million bloodthirsty Mughal troops. That is the power of Amrit. So, take Amrit, become Khalsa, live with dignity.

True, Mastar Tara Singh was not a bad person as some have begun to make him out this way. His intention was always good for the Sikhs. He made the mistake of not insuring any safe guards for the Sikh nation just in case Hindu leaders go back on their word(as they later did). He trusted the Hindu leaders who back stabbed him after 1947. He greatly regretted his decision for blindly trusting them and not taking advantage of keeping political sovereignty while the Brits were there and more than willing to offer it to the Sikhs. Sikhs would later learn that the British were not that bad as the Hindus and Muslims were. Master Tara Singh launched agitation after agitation, went to jail repeatedly after 1947, but all this had little or no effect on the Hindu leaders. But one thing he did do is make sure that whole of Punjab(himachal and haryana) did not go to Pakistan. When Muslims began to demand Pakistan, they expected all of Punjab would go to Pakistan since they were the slim majority of the state. But Mastar Tara Singh said, if India must be partitioned on the bases of religion, then so must Punjab, why should all of Punjab go to Muslims? Muslims tried to "put the Sikhs in their place" by launching direct action day and violent riots directed towards Sikhs in Pothohar. Most of Mastar Tara Singh's family were butchered in march of 1947 and his house was burnt, this was before Sikhs had retaliated in the summer of 47. Jinnah did not condemn the anti Sikh riots(which shows he must have ordered it). After the riots, Jinnah still thought the SIkhs would finally accept Pakistan and stop their demand of partitioning Punjab but by then it was too late. it was a trust issue, Sikhs no longer trusted Jinnah or his Muslim league. Sindh did not have a Master Tara Singh, and despite it being about 1/3 hindu before 1947, all of it went to Pakistan and they were all kicked out anyway. Today Sindhi Hindus are a stateless people scattered all over India. Within a few generations they will assimilate into mainstream India. What little is left of Sindhi HIndus in Pakistan, they live a life of humiliation, their womenfolk are abducted and forcibly married to Muslim men.

It's not about the numbers. Muslims don't give two figs for the lakhs of Muslims who get killed in an earthquake or the Tsunami. It is the potential to create a fifth column of Muslims in the heartland of the Sikhs. To have a large number of Muslims able to cause havoc if there is another Indo-Pakistan war. The Punjab waqf board has an income of 202 million rupees. Giving 99,000 rupees to each of 480 would only be 23% of it's total income.

We need to get our acts together and unify.

Bro if u believe that zakkah tax and jizya were equal then pigs might fly and Muslims might be allowed to eat pork. Jizya was ten times higher than taxes paid by Muslims and thats why all the rich castes were actually the first to convert to Islam. Who needs Sufi's when discriminatory taxes and forced conversions did the main job of converting Punjabi Hindu's pretty effectively? Imagine if African Americans all paid 25% tax and WASPS paid 2.5%. Pretty soon every town+village would have hundreds of Michael Jacksons. And then they could claim they straightened there hair and had nose ops not due to racism but due to the influence of Sufi's

hahaha....read my posts again Bhaji!