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    Is it me or did it come across as Sunny putting his brother down frequently throughout the article?
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    You are very selective when it comes to Gurbani. Gurbani says God exist and so does Naam and so does heaven and hell. Yet you refuse to accept the last two exist from Gurbani evidence. Gurbani says heaven and hell exist. Heaven and hell are temporary reality as long as creation exist. Gurbani says from one the world came into existence and humans were placed in creation. Suffering of heaven and hell are real as suffering from a lost loved one. You have been watching some videos of hippies wearing white and all high on acid. I recommend you read Gurbani with both eyes open the whole way throughout Sukhmani sahib. You can't close them when you don't like what is being said.
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    This coward sunny didn't write a obituary about his brother. It was about show boating about jagraj's mistakes. He couldn't resist trying to collect a bigger fan base by trying to hurt the reputation of his dead brother. Sunny has no shame.
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    Surely they just need to be educated and informed of the actual history behind the expression.. What would you achieve by giving them a good slap?
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    These girls have got most of there opinion and views from Bollywood which sadly constantly makes funs of Sardar's . instead of making fun of 12 clock joke they should do research and find out the true meaning of 12 clock which was strategic move to attack Nadir Shah's invasion of India.They can do this online but they chose to life in ignorance. As for stereotyping again Bollywood/Indian media has it wrong, Sardar's/Sikhs are not all about Bhangra, shouting balle balle and mostly uneducated , in todays world they are very successful business people, well educated and very charitable, Dehli Gudrawara's feed about 700,00 homeless people per day. in Todays world people should be openminded and doe research and not just judge a faith or there people based once sconce outlet.
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    I wouldnt be surprised if christian missionaries with their drug peddling pastors have a hand in this first getting the youth addicted to drugs via peddlers connected to the churches and then supplying medcine on the basis they convert to Christianity. It seems quite Convenient and strange that these churchs in punjab are funding medical treatment for free to drug users and ill poor people without apparent any sources of income for themselves. Everything costs money so where is their funding coming from? I suspect from either indian govt or from the west in their drive to convert south asia to Christianity.
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    The biggest secret is finally revealed what Christians don't want Sikhs to know!!!! This brainwashed confused punjabi sister who says her mum worshipped hindu idols, buddha and claims to be ex-sikh admitted that her Christian black friends of hers helped give her shelter when her mother kicked her out for being a h0e basically going clubs, drinking and sleeping around staying out late and so her black fiends slowly groomed her to Christianity by "helping her to jesus" and in her instagram post I read says that sikhism is from the devil aswell as other non-christian faiths. Just reading her comments on instagram, twitter and youtube makes for sad reading how deluded she is and shows she is of low intelligence and very easily manipulated by christian groomers the same kinda tactics their abrahmic muslim counterparts use in grooming mentally vulnerable people to their cult. https://www.instagram.com/p/BW-lgUDBidK/?taken-by=emeraldnavey&hl=en https://twitter.com/emeraldnavey?lang=en
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    1. they were walking around with these concepts in their heads to give out to whoever they chose to talk to ... 2.Given that india is 80 % Hindu affiliated religions the most likely faith is hindu . 3. I was responding to the obvious use of bollywood cliches to describe sikhs and mirroring to be ironic my response would be depends on where they are from and what they believe I mean India is numerous cultures and languages in a huge geographical location I wouldn't be quoting bollywood anywhere because they mix and match and shorthand everything. Hindus have varying beliefs on a spectrum to even non-belief in a deity, and from a single formless Creator to the sargun saroop of animals, geographical features and individuals. .
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    It seem like you are the type who keeps getting reincarnated again and again as a fanatic Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Jew and make the same claim everytime that your path is right one. Maybe you have a need to judge or be judged so I guess may take the scenic hell route where entites can't wait to spit their venom back at you like you do on this fourm.
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    These kind of opinions are formed from a slow exposure of anti-Sikh propaganda. To make any Bollywood movies depicting a Sardar they must fall into 1 of 3 boxes. 1. Make the Sardar into a loud comical clown that loves to drink alcohol, eat chicken and dance at the sound of dhol beat. He has to wear comical shiny turban and support a comical beard and be of very low intellect. 2. The Sardar has to be a ultra aggressive hero who is always ready to fight in unbelievable scenarios. This is usually in war film where his national pride is above his faith. 3. The Sardar is a naive terrorist misled by Pakistan and usually supports a full beard with orange gol dastaar. Usually any movies depicting 1984. All of these categories are designed either to make a Sikh to have extremely low self esteem and cut his hair and fade away into the masses or to channel his natural Sikh instincts of being a warrior to fight for Indian national pride and become ultra patriotic. As you can see none of the above promote a Sikh in India to promote his own distinct identity or rich history. This is why any Bollywood movies depicting Sikh History or Sikhs in a true light are never passed by the Indian sensor board or received positively. (Note the movie Black Prince was not promoted by any major Punjabi celebrity or Punjabi singers in India). The same goes for Punjabi music as all the big producers are Hindus in India. The young Sikh singers and song writers are forced into making material which promote drugs, gang culture and promiscuous behaviour. This is because the Punjabi music industry is the only music Industry in India where the Singer has to record and finance his own material and present it to a producer only to be told yes or no if the producer will promote the tape. They are at the mercy of the producer who usually has other motives to once again demoralise the Sikhs. The media I think we are all aware of only show Sikhs as Terrorists. So in short to be a Sikh in India you either have to be a 'Clown', 'Indian Patriot', or a 'Terroist'.There is no other opinion of Sikhs that can exist in India.
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    ਜੇਕਰ ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਜੀਵਨ ਸਾਥੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਛਕਣਾ ਚਾਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਪਰ ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਮਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਕੀ ਕਰਨਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ? ਕਈ ਵਾਰੀ ਛੋਟੀ ਜੇਹੀ ਗਲ ਪਿਛੇ ਜਾਂ ਖਾਹਮਖਾਹ ਹੀ ਬੇਲੋੜੇ ਝਗੜੇ ਕਾਰਨ ਘਰ ਖਰਾਬ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ। ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਬਚਿਆ ਜਾਵੇ। ਇਸੇ ਵਿਸ਼ੇ ਤੇ ਅਸੀਂ ਇਹ ਵੀਡੀਓ ਤਿਆਰ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਆਸ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਲਾਭ ਉਠਾ ਕੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਜੀਵਨ ਖੁਸ਼ੀਆਂ ਵਾਲਾ ਅਤੇ ਸੁਖ ਸ਼ਾਂਤੀ ਵਾਲਾ ਬਣਾ ਲਵੋਗੇ। ਆਪ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਕੋਈ ਸੁਝਾਓ ਹੋਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਸਾਨੂੰ +1-647-771-5359 ਤੇ ਸੰਪਰਕ ਕਰੋ ਜੀ। ਜੇਕਰ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਸਾਡੀਆਂ ਵੀਡੀਓ ਪਸੰਦ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋ ਤਾਂ ਹੋਰਨਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਸ਼ੇਅਰ ਕਰਿਆ ਕਰੋ ਅਤੇ ਸਾਡੇ youtube ਚੈਨਲ ਨੂੰ subscribe ਜ਼ਰੂਰ ਕਰੋ ਜੀ। If your life partner wants to take Amrit and become a Gursikh but you are not ready for it, then what should you do? Many times, if an informed decision is not taken or if unnecessary obstinacy is done, then families can break and other unfortunate events can take place. How to avoid such situation? This is the topic of our video today to provide guidance to ones whose life partners want to move towards his or her religious roots. We hope you will benefit from this video and fill your life with happiness and contentment. If you have any questions or if you have any suggestions, kindly contact us at +1-647-771-5359. If you like the videos, please share them liberally and also don’t forget to subscribe to our youtube channel.
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    Depends on which group of Singhs within the Jatha are doing the seva, in the UK there are some Singhs who lag in the panj pyare who are born in the UK and therefore do speak English but in an Amrit Sanchar the instructions and discussion/questioning is generally done in Panjabi. There is rehat maryada katha available on gurbaniupdesh by Giani Thakur Singh who goes into the maryada of what should happen in an amrit sanchar, only the Puratan Sampardai e.g. DDT observe all of the maryada e.g. holding 3ft kirpan when making amrit, questioning the panj pyare amongst the sangat etc.
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    Good. Use it to your advantage. I wish I still had the same fear of death I used to have. Motivated me to do something with my life and progress in Sikhi. Be grateful you've been blessed with this. Many pass their lives without even thinking of Death..
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    I really struggle to emphasise with what you are saying when you do not reference any particular points or substantiate what you mean. Where in his article does he say amritdhari bad?
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    Wow u got the same hukamnama twice. Thats amazing and such a powerful response too. Trust Gurusahib ji. Dont doubt or worry Also have you ever asked to be cured?
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    This is a really interesting response.. In it you make a number of assumptions as well as illuminate your own prejudices.. 1. they weren't walking around saying anything about sardars, they were stopped in the street and asked a number of questions about them.. They were approached by the interviewers. 2. You seem to have 'implicitly' made a assumption that the people in the video are Hindu.. Whilst there is no actual indication to suggest that they all were 3. The language you use in response re: dancing round trees, disco dancers etc demonstrates how you view people of the Hindu religion.. Which in itself is very interesting. I'm guessing If we were to flip the question on its head and you were asked what you thought about Hindu people that would be your response..
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    That's a bit of a harsh analysis of the video.. How many Sikh people know the history of the 12 o clock statement? Also a number of the people in the video acknowledged that sardars are associated with selflessness and protecting others
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    As a Sikh, I think we just lost some battles, and in the end we will win the WAR (it might take some time, but we will win)! However, that being said, I don't agree with you. Yes, Khalistan movement produced some of the great Sikh Shaheeds of all times, and as you, we all are proud of that. You are right, that it brings lot of Anakh/Pride to Sikhs in diaspora and in some places in Punjab. Still, we cannot deny the fact that we lost, and Hindus make fun of us and remind us that they have killed the "Sikh Spirit". Airport in Delhi is named after Indira, that is akin to naming airport after Massa Ranghar, and one big road in Punjab is named after Jagat Narain. Just a year ago, the DGP of punjab was Saini who killed more innocent Sikhs and raped Sikhs mothers, daughters, and sister than anybody else, even present DGP has innocent Sikh bloods on his hand. Nobody really got punished for Sikh Genocide in Delhi and other parts of India, I personally heard one hindu saying that it seems like you Sikhs have forgot Delhi 84. Many Sikhs who fought against India are still in jail, you get the picture. The point I am trying to make is that because of these past and present injustices, many Sikhs (especially in India) feel no pride and that is reason for the following things: Less and less Sikhs are keeping turban/kesh Drug use among Sikhs. Look at any kaum who has lost they have issues with drugs (native americans, black, etc). Fighting about meat, Dasam Granth, Raag malla, etc. At this point most Sikhs will fight on superficial reasons instead of realizing we are slaves in Hindu India. Hindus are enjoying these stupid Sikh fights. Anyway, I am realizing that I am taking this thread on a different tangent, and I will stop here. Maybe one day when I have more time, and I will start a new topic on this issue.
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    http://sgpc.net/sikh-rehat-maryada-in-punjabi/ p20 Also by Bhai Jeevan Singh (Jaita): ਸਵੈਯਾ ਆਇ ਜਬਹਿ ਅੰਮਿ੍ਤ ਅਭਿਲਾਖੀ, ਪਾਂਚ ਸੁ ਸਿੰਘਨ ਚਯਨ ਕਰੀਜੈ।। ਸਕੇਸ ਕਰਹਿ ਇਸਨਾਨ ਸਬਹਿ ਜਨ, ਨਿਰਮਲ ਸਵਛ ਪੁਸ਼ਾਕ ਪਹਿਰੀਜੈ।। ਨਿਰਮਲ ਕੰਬਰ ਦੇਹੁ ਬਿਛਾਈ, ਸਬ ਤਿਸ ਕੰਬਰ ਆਸਨ ਕੀਜੈ।। ਕੰਬਰ ਊਪਰ ਰਾਖ ਲੋਹ ਪਾਤਰ, ਪਾਤਰ ਮਹਿ ਸਬ ਨਦਰਿ ਟਿਕੀਜੈ।। ਪਾਂਚ ਕਕਾਰ ਸੰਪੂਰਣ ਦੇਖਿ ਕੈ, ਯਾਚਕ ਸਿਖਹਿ ਸੰਮੁਖ ਬੈਠੀਜੈ।। ਜਲੋ ਬਤਾਸੇ ਲੋਹ ਪਾਤਰ ਮਹਿ ਡਾਰਿ ਕੈ, ਛਹਿ ਸਿਖ ਆਸਨ ਬੀਰ ਲਵੀਜੈ।। ਹਾਥ ਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਖੰਡੇ ਕਉ ਲੇਕਰ, ਜਲੋ ਪਤਾਸੋ ਕਉ ਖੂਬ ਮਿਲੀਜੈ।। ਜਪੁ ਕੋ ਪਾਠ ਕਰਹਿ ਸੰਗ ਤਿਹ ਸਿਖ, ਪਾਤਰਿ ਦੂਸਰ ਹਾਥ ਧੀਰੀਜੈ।। ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪ ਸਵੱਯੇ ਚੌਪਈ ਅਨੰਦ ਕੋ, ਪਾਠ ਸੋ ਪਾਹੁਲ ਤਿਆਰ ਕਰੀਜੈ।। ਪਾਉ ਚੁਲੇ ਮੁਖ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਸੁ ਯਾਚਕ, ਏਤ ਹੀ ਨੇਤਰ ਕੇਸ ਪਵੀਜੈ।। ਸਿਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਥਾ, ਭਾਈ ਜੀਵਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ (ਭਾਈ ਜੈਤਾ ਜੀ)
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    Imagine you did say Hindus are a bunch of a silly clay doll worshippers, would that mean you deserve death? No. Nor do their stupid comments.
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    These methods won't work anymore. Use them when REALLY needed. Can't use force to bring someone in the same boat as your mindset.
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    Spot on lol. All airheads, exceot for the one guy.
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    sorry dude, i had to use that tone in reply to the filth he wrote towards me in an earlierr post that you probably missed. His earlier post was>>>>>>>>>>>> and then he rants>> you see what you probably skimmed past????? I mean this kind of guy needs a proper beating. I've repeatedly told him that sikhi is about being GOD-orientated, however, he just wants to justify and blend his twisted sexual orientation>>>>>and frankly, I've had enuff of this rubbish and am not standing for no more.
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    The Gurus realize that food affects our mind as well as intoxicants Meat will make you more animalistic making your body enlarge and increasing sex sleep and anger
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    Farid says rukhee sukhee kaheh keh tanda panee peo Eat simple basic food and drink water, don't look at quality elegant foods
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    What a rant ! I am no gay activist on this forum . If you see my activity here, its more about the panthic issues most of the times. But you have a seriously low case of IQ considering the crrap you write . You think you're a perfect sikh ? Who're you to decide what is within the line of sikhi and what is against it ? You said If people accept gays, it will lead to acceptance of other "fetishes" . Its a common logical fallacy called the "Slippery slope argument".(If we accept something unconventional and taboo-ish, then it will lead us to slowly accept everything worse taboo-ish) . Nope , that doesn't work that way dude ! In every court case around the world decriminalizing homosexuality, the courts have observed that the key word is "consent". Remember , for the mughals , sikhs were a perversion . Idol worship is more heinous to a muslim than homosexuality is . Then maybe you should convert to islam too ? See how ridiculous I sound , right ? You sound the same way to me. BTW, being gay is not a fetish or fantasy btw. Its reality for millions of people around the world, including a fair share of gay , lesbian, bisexual and transgender sikhs. Gurbani says "Purkh main naar, naar main purkha. bujho brahmgiani" and also divine light is inside everyone. So please don't give me your lecture. I don't have a problem if you taunt me as "kaur" . I never mentioned anything about any fetish here. Being gay isn't a fetish , its a written-in-stone congenital reality for millions of people around the globe. I respect kaurs and I think they're 1000 times better than "singhs" (jackals) like you. You're' not only homophobic, you're a misogynist and casteist too, Mr Jatt ! If god didn't want us to be gay, maybe he shouldn't have made us this way. God is quite queer too. Read Jaap sahib .
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    The punishment for slandering the Satguru is hell: ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਮਾਰ ਦਿਵਾਵੈ ॥ But one who slanders the Perfect True Guru, shall be killed and destroyed by the Creator. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੮) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੫ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੩ ਪੰ. ੧੩ ਫੇਰਿ ਓਹ ਵੇਲਾ ਓਸੁ ਹਥਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਓਹੁ ਆਪਣਾ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਆਪੇ ਖਾਵੈ ॥ This opportunity shall not come into his hands again; he must eat what he himself has planted. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੮) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੬ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੩ ਪੰ. ੧੩ ਨਰਕਿ ਘੋਰਿ ਮੁਹਿ ਕਾਲੈ ਖੜਿਆ ਜਿਉ ਤਸਕਰੁ ਪਾਇ ਗਲਾਵੈ ॥ He shall be taken to the most horrible hell, with his face blackened like a thief, and a noose around his neck. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੮) ਸ. (੪) ੧:੭ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੩ ਪੰ. ੧੪ Even such a nindak has the ability to obtain forgiveness: ਜੇ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸਰਣੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਓਹੁ ਆਵੈ ਤਾ ਪਿਛਲੇ ਅਉਗਣ ਬਖਸਿ ਲਇਆ ॥ But if he should come again to the Sanctuary of the Guru, then even his past sins shall be forgiven. ਗਉੜੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੪) (੧੩) ਸ. (੪) ੨:੮ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੭ ਪੰ. ੯ So, if a slanderer of the Guru can obtain forgiveness from the hellfire, why should you as a believing Sikh be concerned? Keep rehit, avoid the 4 bajjer kurehits, and you should be fine.
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    despite the obvious love , the sly digs at sikhs who want true sikhi are there, pity he couldn't hold off .for those holding out hope that something rubbed off , it hasn't Sunny still is playing to his script: amritdhari bad , hippy dippy liberal good . Puritanical? has even got a clue of what they did in the name of God ? burned people at the stake , branded people like animals for crimes. Waheguru please give him peace and true understanding
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    A sad loss to the whole community. Jagraj was very passionate about Sikhism and his youtube videos are very insightful. His contribution will not be forgotten. RIP
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    suprise suprise pedo paki muslim rapist 27 khurram rahi got charged the hunt for 2nd suspect on going. I wonder what the story behind this all is? Seems like a muslim pedo gang taking rape revenge on underage girl once again
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    reminds me of that raj jarett girl video she also was groomed and brainwashed by black christians and taught that there are 10 sikh gods and they are devils as she claimed. Can you imagine a christian convert to sikh going on about how devils and evil spirits and how Christianity was from the devil so thus he converted to sikhism. People would think he/she has lost his mind and Sikhism is to blame for it but in Christianity it seems this sort of behavior is encouraged and promoted to make others believe their former faith was from the devil and jesus will save them. Sikhs should now start to show zero tolerance towards Christianity they been hiding their real feelings of evil contempt for sikhi while converting our brothers and sisters to their vile teachings right under our noses especially in punjab.
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    Found this following beautiful and blissful piece of Gyan from Gurbani by a brother gursikh on the net, which I would like to share it with the Sangat here. The Meaning of Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela: Holy Word as Soul Teacher Bhai Sahib Kirpal Singh Gill* (Malaysia) * World Spiritual Foundation, Kripapuri, 8 Jalan 16/5, 46350 Petaling Jaya. Kuala Lumpur. Malaysia. E-mail: grace@world-spiritual-foundation.ong. The Divine dynamic power or Naam Shabad is the true teacher. The Experience of its Awakening (Surat Dhun) is Discipleship (Chela). This enigmatic yet pragmatic – proverbial statement appears in the Siddh Gosht, Ramkali, Bani of the founding prophet of the Sikhs, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. It consists of 73 stanzas, which mainly embody a synopsis of answers to searching questions put to the Prophet by the premier Yogic Order of the 15th century India. These answers cover a wide variety of spiritual Reality and Truth. It thus lays down in brief the central basis of true Religion and of Sikhism in particular. As a corollary, it puts into proper perspective the prevailing beliefs and notions held by the Yogic cults of the times, who were then toting around some of their misleading views to the masses of India. As such, the Sidh Gosht (Discussion with the Sidhas) is most revealing, inspirational and elevating. It embodies primordial truths of how the Soul, the Atma of man, can claim its high heritage by aligning into rightful resonance with the Param-Atma, the Cosmic Creator. Among a host of other equally mystical and metaphoric outpourings, "Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela", stands out as a cardinal Divine direction, which demands a comprehensive cognition of its true meaning and import. It is a far-reaching, penetrative and all-embracing pervasive pointer, which, when adequately understood and thereafter imbibed, opens the door to ultimate solace and salvation. We shall then need no external Master or Guru, to give us answers to our multifarious daily doubts and difficulties. Such is its importance and value, that the entire teaching of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (S.G.G.S.) can be encapsulated into its mystical allegory. The metaphor employed in it has hitherto defied a thorough and comprehensive comprehension of its true meaning. Let us try to unravel the mystical meaning behind this cryptic directive. Permit me to mention as a prelude, that until and unless one is already blessed with the actual experience and feeling of the profound spiritual states of ecstasy and euphoria in meaningful meditation (Simran/Bhagti), variously alluded to as Vismaat, Rangan, Kheira, Wajjad, Anand, etc., one will never be able to fully grasp and understand the Divine meaning behind this and many other such mystical utterances enshrined in our sanctified Scriptures. Until then, we will keeep on giving only literal interpretations and providing merely academic expositions, thus inadvertently and ignorantly, misleading the masses. Such renderings and dissertations, when wantonly and egoistically continued, can even reach blasphemous proportions, which perforce have to be repaid in unimaginable and hellish after-lives. Hence, it is prudent to be mindful of our present inadequacies and incompetence’s and thus wait for the ripe moment when God, through His benevolence and grace, has eventually prepared us for such an onerous task of correct Gurbani translations. What is Shabad: The first word Shabad depending upon the context in which it occurs, can have four main connotations. They are, (i) The Word, or Teaching of the Guru, which, in its elevated connotation, originates from God. (ii) Through the Teaching of the Guru and /or God. (iii) The all-pervading Divine power which percolates the entire Universe. This is also alluded to as Naam or Naam Kalla which is resident inside of man but normally in a dormant, inert state. "Nau nidh amrit prabh ka naam, theyhee mei is kaa bisraam" (sukhmani) meaning, "The providential Naam which can bestow us with the nine Treasures and is a Nectar, is resident inside of man in a restful, dormant state". (iv) The fourth meaning is, "the process and the actual and a vibratory experience of this awakening of Naam Kala", which under normal circumstances is usually lying sleeping, and dormant but docile in man, as brought out under (iii) above. In the title phrase under review, this first word Shabad carries all the four meanings hretofore enumerated, but more empathetically the connotation at (iii) above, which is Naam Kala (the Holy Life Force). Additionally, it also refers to the hidden aspect of God within us, the Jeev-Atma, which has the potential of manifesting a multitudinal attribute of the Creator. Who is Guru: This second word Guru does not require much explaining: It simply means a Guide, a Master, someone who removes darkness, an Enlightener. But the third and fourth words, Surat dhun need careful study. What is Surat? Just like the words Shabad Surat and also Dhun, reflect many a meaning depending upon the context in which they are employed. Surat can mean. (i) Ordinary Consciousness. (ii) Sub and Superconsciousness, the Budhi. (iii) Inner superior knowledge; knowing. (iv) Attention, Contemplation, profound Prayer/Meditation. There is a cogent quotation from Bhai Gurdas Ji’s Varaan which uses the words Shabad and Surat in the context of the meaning enumerated above: "Raag naad Sabkoe Sunai, Shabad Surat Samjai Veirloee" meaning. "Each and sundry listen to melodious music (practice of praise of the Divine in devotional Bhagti); only a fortunate few can understand (imbibe and feel) the depth of such devotion". As you will note, this quotation of Bhai Gurdas Ji is itself rather enigmatic and is replete with mystical meaning. In the title phrase under consideration, this word, Surat reflects all the various definitions listed above, but more particularly those under (ii), (iii) and (iv). Where Does Dhun Dwell? The word Dhun can also be used in various applications and connotations such as: (i) Sound, Spontaneous utterance or Reaction, as referred to in the S.G.G.S. Ramakali by Guru Nanak," .... Dhun Vaajei anhad ghoeraa..." (ii) Vibration, Trembling, Ecstatic and Euphoric Feeling and Experience. (iii) Echo, Reverberation, Automatic Outcome, Spontaneity. (iv) A Song or Tune’s basic central theme, as in the Science of Music (Sangeet Vidya). In the title phrase under deliberation, this word Dhun manifests all the meanings categorised under (i), (ii) and (iii) above, but more pregnantly that listed at (ii), which is a Feeling, a religious spiritual Experience and Reaction, variously referred to as Anhad Dhun, Shabad Dhun, Akaath Kathaa, etc. Who is Chela: The last word Chela has also here a deeper and more profound meaning than ordinarily attributed to it, which is a Disciple. In the phrase under discussion it is more akin to Discipleship or, better still, Receivership. Having briefly explained the meaning of each word, the correct translation or interpretation of this famous proverbial but pragmatic and pithy passage, "Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela", would read as below : Having laid down the possible meanings of each word in the unique quotation under review, a translation of it is herewith attempted, which perforce may yet require further elucidation: "The potentially powerful and all-pervading Naam Kalla lying dormant within man, is our eternal and ever present Guru and Godly Guide (Shabad Guru). We become the Recipients (Cheilla, Discipleship) of its ever available guidance always from within, when it is awakened into a vibrant, ecstatic and euphoric feeling and experience in effortless spontaneity (Surat Dhun)". The above translation although appearing as a fairly detailed interpretation, would still require further clarification to render it more readable and understandable to an average Gursikh’ most of whom are still neophytes into the deeper spiritual insights of Gurbani. Naam and Shabad – As Manifest Divinity Before we can delve deeply into Gurbani, we must, first and foremost, get established in our minds that on most occasions where the word Naam appears in the Gurbani, it does not connote a mere name of God, but a tangible entity, and a power-house of a tremendously potent and powerful source of all-pervading energy, normally lying still, dormant and inert in man. The following passages from the Sukhamani Sahib will make this point clear. "Naam kei dhaarei agaas pathaal. Naam thei dhaarei sagal akaar. Naam kei dhaarei pureiaan sabh bhavan" meaning :- "All the planets, whole Galaxies and the entire Cosmos is created and subsequently supported and sustained in their proper and precise orbits, by the Divine Power of Naam". Again, it is recorded, towards the end of the formal Sikh Ardaas, "Nanak Naam Chadhthee Kellaah, Terei Bhanei Sarbat Thaa Bhellaa". We have seldom, if ever, suspected that in this daily prayer/ardaas of the Sikhs, that Naam is succinctly defined directly as a Chardee Kalla, a Power House of limitless Energy that is never depleted but is ever in ascendancy, i.e. always self-replenishing and exuberant, which only God, the primordial Creator can actuate. The Awakening of Consciousness: As already pointed out under the third attribute of Shabad above, Naam is also resident inside of man, but normally existing in an inert and dormant state. This can be awakened but only through God’s Grace and Benevolence, after we adopt a stance of total, utter and unconditional surrender / submission to the depths of the Divine within, during our meditation moments in meaningful worship. This is corroborated in the SGGS as follows: Page 268: "Asthir Bhagti Sadh ki Saran, Nanak jap jap jeevai Har kei Charan" - meaning: "The highest form of meditation (Bhagti) is carried out by completely surrendering oneself to God. Nanak liveth by worshipping submissively in a totally surrendered state". Please note that "Saad" here does not mean a Sadhu or a Saint, but God Himself, and since God, the formless all-pervading presence, cannot have any feet, "Har Ke charan" also alludes to surrender in complete submission. SGGS Page 754: "Har Ki Bhagti Sadh rung raatei, houmei vichoen jaallei", meaning "Meditation (Bhagti) actuated by God is always accompanied by a feeling of ecstasy and a reaction (rung raatei) when the egoistic and other such self-willed tendencies are exterminated". The Arousal of Surat(i): When this all important charismatic commodity of the (Naam Kalla) is awakened from its state of slumber (Bisraam), it must leave behind in its wake, a tell-tale sign and an ecstatic experience. How could it be that when this great sleeping giant (Naam Kalla) is aroused and awakened inside of us, that we will not receive any sort of feeling and experience? Surely, we must! If inspite of our many holistic efforts, there occurs none of the prescribed experiences, as copiously described in our Sanctified Scriptures, then we can be certain that it has indeed not yet been stirred into the requisite - and much sought-after -awakening, variously termed as Naam Rung, Naam Rus, Naam daan (Gift of the awakened Naam), Naam Praaptee, Naam melai ("Nanak Naam melai Taan Jiwaan, Tan mun theewei Hariaah") – This is the last sentence in SGGS on Page 1429 meaning: "Only when I received this Gift of the awakened Naam, can I be considered as really alive and living, resulting in my Body/Mind complex blooming in radiance". SGGS Page 279: "Naam rung sarab sukh hoei. Bud-bhagee kesai prapat hoei", meaning: "The experience of the arousal of Naam Power gives complete peace and solace, but only the fortunate few can attain this high state". The dire need for the "Naam Rung", the awakening in ecstasy of this Holy Life Force, is further emphasised in the next quotation which we regularly recite in our morning obligatory prayers, without paying any heed to its importance and, least of all, how to go about imbibing its Truth! SGGS Page 4 (Japji Sahib): "Bhareeai mutt pappaan kai sung. Oh dhopai nawai (naam) kai rung" - meaning: "When our mind and being are polluted brimful by sinful activities, this is cleansed and purified through a vibrant stirring of the awakened Naam power (in meditation)". It is only when the holy word (Shabad) within us has been stirred into an awakening that we are able to communicate meaningfully with the Divine centre, the Shabad Guru within us, which is the direct representative of the Param-Atma, the all-knowing aspect of our Being. He will then provide us with answers and solutions to any question or doubt which we need to pose to it. The modus operandi of such sanctified and charismatic communication is through the vehicle of an ecstatic experience (Surat Dhun), similar to what we may have been used to receiving, in our usual Simran-Bhagti (Meditation) sessions. The more sensitivity we have been gifted to experience, during these mystical higher states of altered consciousness (Surat Dhun), the more accurately will we begin to receive the desired answers. These could manifest into a variety of vibrant and dynamic modes, including physical, mental, visual (visions), auditory (Sunanaa), vocal (Akath Kathaa), Sensory, i.e. through all our other supplementary senses, which our body-mind complex is capable of responding to. Through all these responses we assume the metaphoric receivership role of a Cheillaah. This is how the Master, the Shabad Guru, the motivating Naam Power within us, becomes the internal Guide and how our recipient and responsive aspect, assumes the Discipleship (Cheillaah) through the all important link of a sensitised Surat Dhun. This is similar to the Guru-Cheillaah relationship, where the Guru is the Giver and the Cheillaah, the Disciple is usually the Receiver. We are then able to claim our high heritage bestowed upon us by the Creator, and thence, we do not have to seek any external Guru or Guide, because we have, at long last ,found Him resplendent within our own noble being. Then the search stops, for we begin to become recipients of bountiful blessings of the awakened Shabad, the Divine Guru within us. You may now turn back to the "True Translation" appended above, to grasp and comprehend its fuller meaning and thus appreciate its importance. Sat Sree Akal.
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    Vadee vadi-aa-ee vaday kee gurmukh bolaataa pa-orhee goojree kee vaar mehlaa 3 Pauree: Goojaree Ki Vaar, Third Mehl sabh jag fir mai daykhi-aa har iko daataa. Roaming over the entire world, I have seen that the Lord is the only Giver. upaa-ay kitai na paa-ee-ai har karam biDhaataa. The Lord cannot be obtained by any device at all; He is the Architect of Karma. gur sabdee har man vasai har sehjay jaataa. Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, the Lord comes to dwell in the mind, and the Lord is easily revealed within. andrahu tarisnaa agan bujhee har amrit sar naataa. The fire of desire within is quenched, and one bathes in the Lord's Pool of Ambrosial Nectar. vadee vadi-aa-ee vaday kee gurmukh bolaataa. The great greatness of the great Lord God - the Gurmukh speaks of this.
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    Totally agree, this is from bhai vir singh ji -
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    Excellent point. One can read a book on ''how to swim'' as many times as they want, but it will be of little help to save someone drowning unless they did some actual practice. In the same way, gurbani and especially the 1st ashtpadhi of sukhmani sahib quoted above....is telling us to do the practice of simran in order to swim across this bhavsagar-turbulent world ocean. However, I am aware that some people can also get themselves into states of meditative simran by reciting gurbani. This is usually when they are doing many repeated paaths throughout the day such as countless japji sahib paaths...... or x amount of sukhmani sahib paaths... such that the recitation becomes automatic just like simran jap. .