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  1. 4 points
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvD7Ecpzzfh7yk8D1WuXU_A Look what this scumbag pakistani christian is uploading, we need to get youtube to close this anti-sikh hate channel down and others when found. No pastor has been killed in punjab by Sikhs its just inflammatory video with fake title against the viral paramjit singh incident who had questioned a guy whose father was jesus when in bible jesus cried out to his father. I wouldn't be suprised if it is low life evil punjabi chrisitan's going around doing beadhi of SGGS Ji when given commands by their evil pastors.
  2. 4 points
    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Thank you so much for this video. Very nicely presented. Many thanks for proving the innocence of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur ji.
  3. 3 points
    Thesedays you can be labeled khalistani terrorists by a few right-wingers in india for merely saying "Sikhs are not hindus" . Then they will tell you that you hate hindus and you're a khalistani terrorist, then badmouth bhindrawale and so on. The Indian narrative is pushed into media . No one dares question it. No one, except the few sikhs. And a fringe of hindutva people who say bhindrawale was Indira's creation to uproot akalis in punjab but eventually backfired on her .
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    Well, he spoke of deradars, but he didn't directly speak of Dhadrianwale, right? Also, as far as Dhunda Sahib saying that it's OK not to have been married, but it's not OK to say that not being married is some sort of great religious deed: I distinctly remember that at one point Dhadrianwale quoted the line: ਗਿਆਨਨ ਮੈ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਅਰੁ ਧਿਆਨਨ ਮੈ ਧਿਆਨ ਗੁਰ ਸਕਲ ਧਰਮ ਮੈ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਸਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨ ਹੈ ॥੩੭੬॥ Just as the knowledge imparted by the True Guru is supreme of all knowledge, and concentration of mind on True Guru is superb, so is the family life ideal and superior of all the religions (ways of life). (376) ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ : ਕਬਿੱਤ ੩੭੬ ਪੰ. ੪ But then he said, "But the writer of this line, Bhai Gurdas, himself did not marry. So it is OK not to marry." I won't go into whether Bhai Gurdas Ji married or not, but I just want to say that Dhadrianwale strongly advocated that not marrying is OK, so it's interesting that Dhunda is strongly refuting that.
  5. 3 points
    What evidence you have the singh in pic above was beaten at hazur sahib and for the reason you said ? Secondly, just because he objected to hazur sahib aarti maryada doesn't mean he's anti-sikh or anti-panth . Neither does it mean he wanted to do beadbi of Guru sahib. Maybe, like many SGPC people and the singh-sabha reformists (or should I say Originalists) , he might have seen the hindu-style aarti , ringing of bells and conch in hazur sahib as creeping horrors of hindutva. I am not saying the aarti and ringing of bells and blowing of conch in hazur sahib is something original or hindu influence. TBH I have no idea on issue. This warrants creation of another thread lol, but all I am saying is lets not demean our own singhs without understanding the reason behind their actions first.
  6. 2 points
    ਬਾਬਾ ਬੰਦਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸਿਖ ਕੌਮ ਦੇ ਪਹਿਲੇ ਸੁਪਰੀਮ ਲੀਡਰ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਖੁਦ ਆਪ ਇਸ ਅਹੁਦੇ ਤੇ ਸਥਾਪਤ ਕੀਤਾ ਸੀ। ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਪਹਿਲੀ ਵਾਰ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਰਾਜ ਕਾਇਮ ਕੀਤਾ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਸਿਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਰਾਜ ਕਰਨ ਦੀ ਜਾਚ ਸਿਖਾਈ। ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਸ਼ਹੀਦੀ ਵੀ ਬੇਮਿਸਾਲ ਸੀ ਪਰ ਅਫਸੋਸ ਦੀ ਗਲ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਹਸਤੀ ਉਤੇ ਕਈ ਅਣਜਾਣ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਗਲਤ ਇਲਜ਼ਾਮ ਲਾ ਕੇ ਚਿਕੜ ਸੁਟਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ। ਅਸੀਂ ਇਸ ਵੀਡੀਓ ਵਿਚ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਤੇ ਲਾਏ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਤਮਾਮ ਇਲਜ਼ਾਮਾਂ ਦਾ ਖੰਡਨ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਇਹ ਸਾਬਤ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਅਤੇ ਉਚਕੋਟੀ ਦੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਭਗਤ ਸਨ। ਸਾਡੀ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਵੀਡੀਓ ਨੂੰ ਧਿਆਨ ਨਾਲ ਸੁਣੋ ਅਤੇ ਹੋਰਨਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਸ਼ੇਅਰ ਕਰੋ ਤਾਂ ਕੇ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਬਣਦਾ ਸਥਾਨ ਸਿਖ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ ਨਸੀਬ ਹੋਵੇ। ਆਪ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਕੋਈ ਸੁਝਾਓ ਹੋਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਸਾਨੂੰ +1-647-771-5359 ਤੇ ਸੰਪਰਕ ਕਰੋ ਜੀ। ਜੇਕਰ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਸਾਡੀਆਂ ਵੀਡੀਓ ਪਸੰਦ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋ ਤਾਂ ਹੋਰਨਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਸ਼ੇਅਰ ਕਰਿਆ ਕਰੋ ਅਤੇ ਸਾਡੇ youtube ਚੈਨਲ ਨੂੰ subscribe ਜ਼ਰੂਰ ਕਰੋ ਜੀ। Baba Banda Singh jee Bahadur was the first supreme leader of the Sikhs and he was appointed to this position by Guru Sahib jee Himself. Baba jee uprooted the 800 year old foreign rule from Punjab and established the Khalsa empire for the first time. He was the greatest leader that Sikhs ever had but unfortunately, falling prey to the wrong propaganda by the government of that time, some Sikhs place wrong allegations on him. In this video, we refute all the baseless allegations against Baba jee and prove that Baba jee was the greatest leader the Sikhs ever had. Please watch this video carefully and also share it with others so that they too can benefit from it. If you have any questions or if you have any suggestions, kindly contact us at +1-647-771-5359. If you like the videos, please share them liberally and also don’t forget to subscribe to our youtube channel.
  7. 2 points
    and now this? south korean christian extremist tourists in our own holiest shrine trying to preach Christianity and assault baptised sikh women? Sikhs need to wake up we are being attacked by abrahamic's. We need zero tolerance to non-sikh people and faiths in the tiny land mass of Sikh majority indian punjab. We have been welcoming and tolerant for far too long and this is the result the haters of our faith will only grow more emboldened.
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    I stay in maharashtra . Most hindus here are right-wingers . Even the local parties here favor hindutva over secularism. If I ever have a kid, I would tell him never to attempt such questions in exams. If 5 marks go , then be it so . And I will them after they're done school that all of history he read in indian textbooks should not be taken seriously ! They want to teach our kids that our people are terrorists and shame them on being sikhs and also to teach hindus to hate sikhs for assasinating gandhi
  9. 2 points
    Finally, someone has done a good job in defending Baba Ji. Although I think they could have done even more but even a little bit is good in defending Baba Ji. many snatanis will not like this one bit. It is understandable since they have tried very hard to demonize Baba Ji with lies and pure Nindya. But Baba Banda Singh Bahadur is like the moon. Those who try to spit at the moon will soon regret it when their own spit lands back on their face. People do not realize how much Paap they are burdening themselves under by doing Nindya of a Brahmgiani like Baba Ji. We had some Nindaks tried to do the same to Sant Jee but no one listens to them anymore. Same is with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. Baba Jee is very much respected by the Sikh masses as a spotless Sikh personality. And God willing, Baba Jee's memory and prestige will be enhanced even more in future
  10. 1 point
    I have noticed so many Sikhs eating beef. What has happened? And why do mostly jatt people chomp on beef burgers like no tommorow.
  11. 1 point
    Is this hukumnama or a translation of it available to read online anywhere? If not a book where it is written? Thanks Yes please. Thanks. I heard it a long time ago (poss 10 years) but would rather not have to trawl through all my tapes to find it. I never knew that Baaj Singh survived Delhi. Had always thought he was shaheed. If you consider the sakhi of the Sikh boy who was shaheed (even though his mother protested that he wasn't a Sikh) it seems a little weird that Baaj Singh would prefer to survival rather than shaheedi with his comrades. Where are you reading/hearing that 4 of the 5 Pyaras remained with Baba Ji? From what I have been told. at Gurdas Nangal, there was a difference of opinion over tactics. The same scenario at Anandpur Sahib when some Sikhs were of the opinion to leave the Qilla and fight the enemy/escape. Baba Binod Singh Ji was of the opinion to face the enemy and fight whereas Baba Banda Singh wanted to hold out against their seige. Those that wanted to try and escape the seige/fight the turks left with Baba Binod Singh but they were not held back by Baba Banda Bahadur either. He gave all the Sikhs there the choice to remain or chance their luck. Bhai Rattan Singh Bhangu is not the only writer to have written this. BHai Kesar Singh Chibber has written the same in "Bansawalinama". It would be great if someone could. I would like to read them as well. Thanks. If anyone wishes to listen to ongoing katha of Panth Parkash here is the link: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/02_Present_Day_Katha/Nihang_Giani_Sher_Singh_(Ambala_wale)/Pracheen_Panth_Parkash_Katha/Nihang.Giani.Sher.Singh.(Ambala.wale)--Pracheen.Panth.Parkash.Katha.-.Part.01.-.2014-10-01.-.Sri.Guru.Panth.Prakash.01.mp3
  12. 1 point
    True but we shouldn't let our beloved sikh homeland punjab be converted to Christianity. The rot must be stopped.
  13. 1 point
    edited: opps posted in wrong topic was ment for the paki christian fake video titles topic
  14. 1 point
    We should always side with our sikh brothers and sisters unless its proven they were in the wrong. The attackers could be hindu or punjabi christian extremists. The punjabi christians are grown more embolden with hindu or sikh names attacking Sikhs. We need to be very vigilant as a come and make other Sikhs aware.
  15. 1 point
    I would like to know why they were beaten ? Were they beaten because they did something that deserved them to get beaten up ? I doubt they would be beaten for nothing . But then I don't stay in ambala . We should only support apne when they're morally correct. Otherwise it leads to disastrous consequences.
  16. 1 point
    Mata ji had nothing to do with Binod Singh's son being released. That was all Binod Singh doing. The traiters had no real reason for doing what they did so they are tarnishing the name of Mata ji by trying to connect her to their treachery to Baba ji. Unlike Puratan times, today we have a lot of info regarding what happened back then and the lies are finally being exposed. And the so called difference between the two groups has also been disproved by historians and even in the video by the OP. Baba ji was, is and always will be held in high regard by Guru Sahib. No amount of slander will be able to change that. Only thing is, I am concerned for your spirit and how much punishment it will go through for the Paaps it is currently adding up for the slander against a Brahmgiani.
  17. 1 point
    Sri Guru nanak sahib wasnt against eating meat, and thus Sikhs shouldn't be either. Meat as part of a healthy balanced diet is good for the body. Sikhi isn't against eating meat however it is against the ritualised cruel inhumane methods of killing (halal and khoser) an animal in order to get the meat.
  18. 1 point
    Yeah and some should post pages of Dr Ganda Singh's book disproving them
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    It was actually Mata Sundri Ji who negotiated peace with the Mughals. It was Mata who secured the release of Baba Binod Singhs son... Baba Binod Singh was from the family of Guru Amar Das. If Bandai Khalsa were the ones in the right then when Baba Mani Singh placed two pieces of paper in the sarovar at Harimandir Sahib, one for Tat Khalsa & the other for Bandai Khalsa & did ardas to mahraj to show which side were the true sons of Guru Sahib & the upholders of gurmat, mahraj chose Tat Khalsa which was being led by Baba Binod Singh.... Mahrajs hukam went in favour of Tat Khalsa & Baba Binod Singh! You just can't accept you are out of your depth on this one, have made a massive error in judgement & are too spineless to apologise..... at the moment you stand on one side with your opinion.... anything I have said is based on Rattan Singh Bhangu, Hukamnama of Mata Sundri Ji, katha of Sant Jarnail Singh, Baba Mani Singh decision at Harminder Sahib. Anything I have said or implied about Banda Singh is based on the writings/opinions of the above maha gursikhs so how I've done nindiya eludes me. You on the other hand have made accusations about Baba Binod Singh that no mahapursh or any historical granth would validate.... carry on....
  21. 1 point
    Its the same old post with this dolly character. He's been a broken record for 20 odd years. He has not expanded his ability to think since 3rd grade. Always grasping at broken straws to insult the Khalsa Panth. Look at one of his post here where he is trying to imply Baba Deep Singh ji was wrong. It never ends with moni.
  22. 1 point
    I respect Panth Prakash but I don't hold it's writing as infallible. I don't agree with Bhangu on some points besides Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. I don't agree with him that Bhai Mani Singh Jee got Shaheed due to his "sin" against Gurbani. But disagreement doesn't mean PP doesn't hold a special place in Sikh history. PP gives us great info about our Bazurgs even if sometimes it is not accurate on some points but still it should be studied by all Sikhs along with Sooraj Prakash Granth.
  23. 1 point
    What are you talking about? Binod Singh was the only one of the Panj Pyaras who left the councel of the Punj Pyaras and abandoned the Singhs. All the other 4 of the 5 Pyaras remained with Baba Ji including Binod SIngh's OWN SON! Binod Singh had contacts with the Mughals. He then recieved a Jagir from them for his treachery. This treacherous person then uses his influence with his Mughals friends to free his son from death. So this traiter not only broke ranks and disobeyed his leader, he left the councel of the Panj Pyaras, he saves his own son while letting all the other Singh die. On the other hand, Baba Jee was a Bedaagh Shaksee`at (a blot less personality). He was personally handpicked by Gurus Sahib. He lived and for his Guru's commands. He killed the killers of the Sahibzade, he created the first Sikh state and uprooted 800 years of Muslim rule. He gave land to the peasants who were living like serfs. And if that isn't enough, he died such a unimaginable torturous death but did not waver one bit. He had his own son's beating heart shoved into her mouth How can you compare this to the traitor who saved his son and accepted Jagir from the Mughals! I will defend Baba Jee as long as I have swaas in my body. You are doing Nindya of this Brahmgiani Mahapursh. You have no idea how much Paap you are putting on your head by doing this.
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    Today dolly aka moni is saying this about Baba Band Singb. In several years he will take biased and/ alter data to say Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is wrong in some fashion. Panth Parkash is not accepted in totality. Moni only accepts those part that hurt Sikhs. Gurmukhs only accept that is according to Gurbani.
  26. 1 point
    Good question. I don't think there's a "one size fits all" approach. It depends on the child. You've got to be smart enough to know the nature of the child in question before you start trying to fill their heads with things that are a struggle for most adults to process. Some kids are very receptive and have a natural inclination to all things religious and spiritual, whilst others are mentally and otherwise quite fidgety. I suppose it's also important to consider whether you're trying to mould a genuinely aware spiritual being, or a loyal footsoldier who says and does it all without any depth or sincerity.
  27. 1 point
    Why would I respect the person who disobeyed his leader at a critical time, got Jageer from the Mughals and then used his power and influence to get his son freed from Mughal captivity while letting hundreds of Singh's get Shaheed in Delhi. He was a Santa Singh of his time period.
  28. 1 point
    As opposed to the paap you burdened yourself with when you did maha nindya of Baba Binod Singh..... when you was challenged you ran away from this site with your tail between your legs. There's hukamname from Mata Sundar Ji telling the sangat to not follow Banda anymore as he went of the path of gurmat. Rattan Singh Bhangu was from a family of great gursikhs, he's a much more reliable source then any of these other modern 'historians'.
  29. 1 point
    While on the subject of the heretics. A missionary recently went to Takht Sri Hazur Sahib. When the Sikhs according to their tradition were doing aarti with the thaali. The missionary did Beadbi by trying to knock out the Thaali and disrupt the Aarti. The Sikhs in Hazur Sahib are not like the Sikhs in Punjab who tolerate the Beadbis done by missionaries. The Sikhs of Hazur Sahib gave the missionary heretic a severe beating he will never forget.
  30. 1 point
    Degh bna k guru mahraaj de chrna ch ardaas kro k o aap nu naam de naal jori rakhn hamesha..
  31. 1 point
    Mehndi layi a pairan te 😂. You got X-ray vision or wat, lol@chipped nail colour.
  32. 1 point
    Once again at it with the rage, you seem to enjoy getting off on imagining me sitting there having a spastic attack over what I read, sorry to break it to you but I generally remain calm. I answered all your points, yet you're either far too dim to see that or you simply try to use a smoke screen. Honestly if you feel you need everything spoon fed to you then I worry about your supposed intellect. You attacked OP over him saying Sikhs shouldn't be allowed to go to Mandirs periods, I showed you you were wrong. You tried to be Pedantic, that backfired. You accused him of taking Gurbani out of context (don't deny it) and failed there. I don't even know why you keep saying I didn't answer your points, I actually did. Once again you need to learn to read. Ironic coming from someone who in his time spent "learning" about Sikh Philosophy hasn't even bothered to study Gurmukhi at its core. I've already expressed my views, they were outlined in Gurbani. I even gave you a bani to refer to. You simply choose to ignore it. Sorry to disappoint you but my opinions/ideology has changed constantly since I've come to this forum, you're free to scan around if you want. Yet you sit here as a middle aged man who hasn't lifted a finger to follow the very things you preach on here. I think the only person here who's afraid to learn from the very core is you because you fear you'll find out you were wrong or worse come across something you can't handle. In all honesty spend less time coming on here and expressing ill found theories and more on actually learning. I have nothing more to say to you, You've been outed as someone hasn't bothered learning actual Sikhi but are content learning from second hand and mundane sources. I have nothing more to say to you. Thus far in this thread you've tried to have the moral high ground. Please continue preaching down from your perch. You demand evidence on threads yet you'll never present it, You're clearly an extremely lazy man. Enjoy living in your ignorance, perhaps one day you'll learn Gurmukhi and stop reading translations. 30 years you had and 30 years you decided not to. Case and point because you want academic reasoning but you've never bothered doing it yourself. Anyways feel free to continue acting like you possess the moral high ground. Kira out.
  33. 1 point
    That's besides the point. There are plenty of old paintings that show Singhs wearing their kasheras. If things have changed in modern times, we shouldn't ignore our history. This one is the oldest European painting of a Singh.
  34. 1 point
    I'm normally not a violent person but if you was infont of me I'd love to kick your butt. Using sant bhindranwales's pic and saying all those anti-sikh things and advocating non-sikh practices and then to top it off saying your an atheist you weird retard.... how dare you come on a Sikh forum and attack Sikhs and sikhi like this. Now sling your hook, you've been caught out!
  35. 1 point
    Bhangu's Panth Prakash is also a great source on Banda Singh Bahadhur. There is this strong tendency by many apnay to whitewash (essentially rewrite) history to make it inline with some sort of preconceived (usually romanticised) image they have in their head. I think this way of thinking stems from victorian/anglo/protestant christian values from the colonial period (that people have imbibed), because prior to that, indigenous Sikh historiography had no problems with warts and all accounts of Sikh history. After the 'annexation' Sikh historians all of a sudden felt compelled to start rewriting/hiding stuff. After a century of that, we've ended up in a strange position where we are overly suspicious of our own pre-colonial literature and whilst our ancestors had no problem with the contents, people today struggle to accept them.
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    WADEE WADEEAYEE OF THE ONLY ONE BEANT WAHEGURU AKAL PURUKH मारू महला १ ॥ maaroo mehalaa 1 | Maaroo, First Mehla: अरबद नरबद धुंधूकारा ॥ arabadh narabadh dhundhookaaraa | For endless eons, there was only utter darkness. धरणि न गगना हुकमु अपारा ॥ dharan n gaganaa hukam apaaraa | There was no earth or sky; there was only the infinite Command of His Hukam. ना दिनु रैनि न चंदु न सूरजु सुंन समाधि लगाइदा ॥१॥ naa dhin rain n chandh n sooraj sunn samaadh lagaaeidhaa |1| There was no day or night, no moon or sun; God sat in primal, profound Samaadhi. ||1|| खाणी न बाणी पउण न पाणी ॥ khaanee n baanee poun n paanee | There were no sources of creation or powers of speech, no air or water. ओपति खपति न आवण जाणी ॥ oupath khapath n aavan jaanee | There was no creation or destruction, no coming or going. खंड पताल सपत नही सागर नदी न नीरु वहाइदा ॥२॥ khandd pathaal sapath nehee saagar nadhee n neer vehaaeidhaa |2| There were no continents, nether regions, seven seas, rivers or flowing water. ||2|| ना तदि सुरगु मछु पइआला ॥ naa thadh surag mash paeiaalaa | There were no heavenly realms, earth or nether regions of the underworld. दोजकु भिसतु नही खै काला ॥ dhojak bhisath nehee khai kaalaa | There was no heaven or hell, no death or time. नरकु सुरगु नही जंमणु मरणा ना को आइ न जाइदा ॥३॥ narak surag nehee janman maranaa naa ko aae n jaaeidhaa |3| There was no hell or heaven, no birth or death, no coming or going in reincarnation. ||3|| ब्रहमा बिसनु महेसु न कोई ॥ brehamaa bisan mehaes n koee | There was no Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva. avar n dheesai eaeko soee | No one was seen, except the One Lord. नारि पुरखु नही जाति न जनमा ना को दुखु सुखु पाइदा ॥४॥ naar purakh nehee jaath n janamaa naa ko dhukh sukh paaeidhaa |4| There was no female or male, no social class or caste of birth; no one experienced pain or pleasure. ||4|| ना तदि जती सती बनवासी ॥ naa thadh jathee sathee banavaasee | There were no people of celibacy or charity; no one lived in the forests. ना तदि सिध साधिक सुखवासी ॥ naa thadh sidh saadhik sukhavaasee | There were no Siddhas or seekers, no one living in peace. जोगी जंगम भेखु न कोई ना को नाथु कहाइदा ॥५॥ jogee jangam bhaekh n koee naa ko naath kehaaeidhaa |5| There were no Yogis, no wandering pilgrims, no religious robes; no one called himself the master. ||5|| जप तप संजम ना ब्रत पूजा ॥ jap thap sanjam naa brath poojaa | There was no chanting or meditation, no self-discipline, fasting or worship. ना को आखि वखाणै दूजा ॥ naa ko aakh vakhaanai dhoojaa | No one spoke or talked in duality. आपे आपि उपाइ विगसै आपे कीमति पाइदा ॥६॥ aapae aap oupaae vigasai aapae keemath paaeidhaa |6| He created Himself, and rejoiced; He evaluates Himself. ||6|| ना सुचि संजमु तुलसी माला ॥ naa such sanjam thulasee maalaa | There was no purification, no self-restraint, no malas of basil seeds. गोपी कानु न गऊ गुोआला ॥ gopee kaan n goo guoaalaa | There were no Gopis, no Krishna, no cows or cowherds. तंतु मंतु पाखंडु न कोई ना को वंसु वजाइदा ॥७॥ thanth manth paakhandd n koee naa ko vans vajaaeidhaa |7| There were no tantras, no mantras and no hypocrisy; no one played the flute. ||7|| करम धरम नही माइआ माखी ॥ karam dharam nehee maaeiaa maakhee | There was no karma, no Dharma, no buzzing fly of Maya. जाति जनमु नही दीसै आखी ॥ jaath janam nehee dheesai aakhee | Social class and birth were not seen with any eyes. ममता जालु कालु नही माथै ना को किसै धिआइदा ॥८॥ mamathaa jaal kaal nehee maathai naa ko kisai dhiaaeidhaa |8| There was no noose of attachment, no death inscribed upon the forehead; no one meditated on anything. ||8|| निंदु बिंदु नही जीउ न जिंदो ॥ nindh bindh nehee jeeo n jindho | There was no slander, no seed, no soul and no life. ना तदि गोरखु ना माछिंदो ॥ naa thadh gorakh naa maashindho | There was no Gorakh and no Maachhindra. ना तदि गिआनु धिआनु कुल ओपति ना को गणत गणाइदा ॥९॥ naa thadh giaan dhiaan kul oupath naa ko ganath ganaaeidhaa |9| There was no spiritual wisdom or meditation, no ancestry or creation, no reckoning of accounts. ||9|| वरन भेख नही ब्रहमण खत्री ॥ varan bhaekh nehee brehaman khathree | There were no castes or social classes, no religious robes, no Brahmin or Kh'shaatriya. देउ न देहुरा गऊ गाइत्री ॥ dhaeo n dhaehuraa goo gaaeithree | There were no demi-gods or temples, no cows or Gaayatri prayer. होम जग नही तीरथि नावणु ना को पूजा लाइदा ॥१०॥ hom jag nehee theerath naavan naa ko poojaa laaeidhaa |10| There were no burnt offerings, no ceremonial feasts, no cleansing rituals at sacred shrines of pilgrimage; no one worshipped in adoration. ||10|| ना को मुला ना को काजी ॥ naa ko mulaa naa ko kaajee | There was no Mullah, there was no Qazi. ना को सेखु मसाइकु हाजी ॥ naa ko saekh masaaeik haajee | There was no Shaykh, or pilgrims to Mecca. रईअति राउ न हउमै दुनीआ ना को कहणु कहाइदा ॥११॥ reeath raao n houmai dhuneeaa naa ko kehan kehaaeidhaa |11| There was no king or subjects, and no worldly egotism; no one spoke of himself. ||11|| भाउ न भगती ना सिव सकती ॥ bhaao n bhagathee naa siv sakathee | There was no love or devotion, no Shiva or Shakti - no energy or matter. साजनु मीतु बिंदु नही रकती ॥ saajan meeth bindh nehee rakathee | There were no friends or companions, no semen or blood. आपे साहु आपे वणजारा साचे एहो भाइदा ॥१२॥ aapae saahu aapae vanajaaraa saachae eaeho bhaaeidhaa |12| He Himself is the banker, and He Himself is the merchant. Such is the Pleasure of the Will of the True Lord. ||12|| बेद कतेब न सिंम्रिति सासत ॥ baedh kathaeb n sinmrith saasath | There were no Vedas, Korans or Bibles, no Simritees or Shaastras. पाठ पुराण उदै नही आसत ॥ paath puraan oudhai nehee aasath | There was no recitation of the Puraanas, no sunrise or sunset. कहता बकता आपि अगोचरु आपे अलखु लखाइदा ॥१३॥ kehathaa bakathaa aap agochar aapae alakh lakhaaeidhaa |13| The Unfathomable Lord Himself was the speaker and the preacher; the unseen Lord Himself saw everything. ||13|| जा तिसु भाणा ता जगतु उपाइआ ॥ jaa this bhaanaa thaa jagath oupaaeiaa | When He so willed, He created the world. बाझु कला आडाणु रहाइआ ॥ baajh kalaa aaddaan rehaaeiaa | Without any supporting power, He sustained the universe. ब्रहमा बिसनु महेसु उपाए माइआ मोहु वधाइदा ॥१४॥ brehamaa bisan mehaes oupaaeae maaeiaa mohu vadhaaeidhaa |14| He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva; He fostered enticement and attachment to Maya. ||14|| विरले कउ गुरि सबदु सुणाइआ ॥ viralae ko gur sabadh sunaaeiaa | How rare is that person who listens to the Word of the Guru's Shabad. करि करि देखै हुकमु सबाइआ ॥ kar kar dhaekhai hukam sabaaeiaa | He created the creation, and watches over it; the Hukam of His Command is over all. खंड ब्रहमंड पाताल अरंभे गुपतहु परगटी आइदा ॥१५॥ khandd brehamandd paathaal aranbhae gupathahu paragattee aaeidhaa |15| He formed the planets, solar systems and nether regions, and brought what was hidden to manifestation. ||15|| ता का अंतु न जाणै कोई ॥ thaa kaa anth n jaanai koee | No one knows His limits. पूरे गुर ते सोझी होई ॥ poorae gur thae sojhee hoee | This understanding comes from the Perfect Guru. नानक साचि रते बिसमादी बिसम भए गुण गाइदा ॥१६॥३॥१५॥ naanak saach rathae bisamaadhee bisam bheae gun gaaeidhaa |16|3|15| O Nanak, those who are attuned to the Truth are wonderstruck; singing His Glorious Praises, they are filled with wonder. WAH E GURU WAH E GURU WAH E GURU WAH E GURU WAH E GURU
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    Visar naahee ayvad daatay We ask for many things from our Sachay Patshah Akal Purukh, and He bountifully satisfies our desires. This may be our reason of pain and sorrow, and our continuity in the wheel of 84. But Dhan Dhan Satguru Sachaya Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, tells us in His following bachans below, what to really ask from Him. saa buDh deejai jit visrahi naahee. Give me that state of mind, by which I may not forget You. saa mat deejai jit tuDh Dhi-aa-ee. Give me that understanding, by which I may meditate on You. And, when He grants this our sincere Ardaas at His Lotus Feet, something extraordinary takes place within us: saas saas tayray gun gaavaa ot naanak gur charnaa jee-o. I sing Your Glorious Praises with each and every breath. Nanak takes the Support of the Guru's Feet. We start singing His wadeeayee, and get His sarnagatee, by placing ourselves at His Lotus Feet. Sat Sree Akal.
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    A small mahima of beant Wahiguru Akal Purukh.- Aiso Dhanee guvind hamaaraa Raag Bhairao, Panchvee Patshahee Dhan Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj: koit ibsn kIny Avqwr ] kot bisan keenay avtaar. He created millions of incarnations of Vishnu. koit bRhmMf jw ky DRmswl ] kot barahmand jaa kay Dharamsaal. He created millions of universes as places to practice righteousness. koit mhys aupwie smwey ] kot mahays upaa-ay samaa-ay. He created and destroyed millions of Shivas. koit bRhmy jgu swjx lwey ]1] kot barahmay jag saajan laa-ay. ||1|| He employed millions of Brahmas to create the worlds. ||1|| AYso DxI guivMdu hmwrw ] aiso Dhanee guvind hamaaraa. Such is my Lord and Master, the Lord of the Universe. brin n swkau gux ibsQwrw ]1] rhwau ] baran na saaka-o gun bisthaaraa. ||1|| rahaa-o. I cannot even describe His Many Virtues. ||1||Pause|| koit mwieAw jw kY syvkwie ] kot maa-i-aa jaa kai sayvkaa-ay. Millions of Mayas are His maid-servants. koit jIA jw kI ishjwie ] kot jee-a jaa kee sihjaa-ay. Millions of souls are His beds. koit aupwrjnw qyrY AMig ] kot upaarjanaa tayrai ang. Millions of universes are the limbs of His Being. koit Bgq bsq hir sMig ]2] kot bhagat basat har sang. ||2|| Millions of devotees abide with the Lord. ||2|| koit CqRpiq krq nmskwr ] kot chhatarpat karat namaskaar. Millions of kings with their crowns and canopies bow before Him. koit ieMdR TwFy hY duAwr ] kot indar thaadhay hai du-aar. Millions of Indras stand at His Door. koit bYkuMT jw kI idRstI mwih ] kot baikunth jaa kee daristee maahi. Millions of heavenly paradises are within the scope of His Vision. koit nwm jw kI kImiq nwih ]3] kot naam jaa kee keemat naahi. ||3|| Millions of His Names cannot even be appraised. ||3|| koit pUrIAq hY jw kY nwd ] kot pooree-at hai jaa kai naad. Millions of celestial sounds resound for Him. koit AKwry cilq ibsmwd ] kot akhaaray chalit bismaad. His Wondrous Plays are enacted on millions of stages. koit skiq isv AwigAwkwr ] kot sakat siv aagi-aakaar. Millions of Shaktis and Shivas are obedient to Him. koit jIA dyvY AwDwr ]4] kot jee-a dayvai aaDhaar. ||4|| He gives sustenance and support to millions of beings. ||4|| koit qIrQ jw ky crn mJwr ] kot tirath jaa kay charan majhaar. In His Feet are millions of sacred shrines of pilgrimage. koit pivqR jpq nwm cwr ] kot pavitar japat naam chaar. Millions chant His Sacred and Beautiful Name. koit pUjwrI krqy pUjw ] kot poojaaree kartay poojaa. Millions of worshippers worship Him. koit ibsQwrnu Avru n dUjw ]5] kot bisthaaran avar na doojaa. ||5|| Millions of expanses are His; there is no other at all. ||5|| koit mihmw jw kI inrml hMs ] kot mahimaa jaa kee nirmal hans. Millions of swan-souls sing His Immaculate Praises. koit ausqiq jw kI krq bRhmMs ] kot ustat jaa kee karat barahmans. Millions of Brahma's sons sing His Praises. koit prlau Epiq inmK mwih ] kot parla-o opat nimakh maahi. He creates and destroys millions, in an instant. koit guxw qyry gxy n jwih ]6] kot gunaa tayray ganay na jaahi. ||6|| Millions are Your Virtues, Lord - they cannot even be counted. ||6|| koit igAwnI kQih igAwnu ] kot gi-aanee katheh gi-aan. Millions of spiritual teachers teach His spiritual wisdom. koit iDAwnI Drq iDAwnu ] kot Dhi-aanee Dharat Dhi-aan. Millions of meditators focus on His meditation. koit qpIsr qp hI krqy ] kot tapeesar tap hee kartay. Millions of austere penitents practice austerities. koit munIsr muoin mih rhqy ]7] kot muneesar mon meh rahtay. ||7|| Millions of silent sages dwell in silence. ||7|| Aivgq nwQu Agocr suAwmI ] pUir rihAw Gt AMqrjwmI ] avigat naath agochar su-aamee. poor rahi-aa ghat antarjaamee. Our Eternal, Imperishable, Incomprehensible Lord and Master, the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts, is permeating all hearts. jq kq dyKau qyrw vwsw ] jat kat daykh-a-u tayraa vaasaa. Wherever I look, I see Your Dwelling, O Lord. nwnk kau guir kIE pRgwsw ]8]2]5] naanak ka-o gur kee-o pargaasaa. ||8||2||5|| The Guru has blessed Nanak with enlightenment.
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    Found this following beautiful and blissful piece of Gyan from Gurbani by a brother gursikh on the net, which I would like to share it with the Sangat here. The Meaning of Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela: Holy Word as Soul Teacher Bhai Sahib Kirpal Singh Gill* (Malaysia) * World Spiritual Foundation, Kripapuri, 8 Jalan 16/5, 46350 Petaling Jaya. Kuala Lumpur. Malaysia. E-mail: grace@world-spiritual-foundation.ong. The Divine dynamic power or Naam Shabad is the true teacher. The Experience of its Awakening (Surat Dhun) is Discipleship (Chela). This enigmatic yet pragmatic – proverbial statement appears in the Siddh Gosht, Ramkali, Bani of the founding prophet of the Sikhs, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. It consists of 73 stanzas, which mainly embody a synopsis of answers to searching questions put to the Prophet by the premier Yogic Order of the 15th century India. These answers cover a wide variety of spiritual Reality and Truth. It thus lays down in brief the central basis of true Religion and of Sikhism in particular. As a corollary, it puts into proper perspective the prevailing beliefs and notions held by the Yogic cults of the times, who were then toting around some of their misleading views to the masses of India. As such, the Sidh Gosht (Discussion with the Sidhas) is most revealing, inspirational and elevating. It embodies primordial truths of how the Soul, the Atma of man, can claim its high heritage by aligning into rightful resonance with the Param-Atma, the Cosmic Creator. Among a host of other equally mystical and metaphoric outpourings, "Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela", stands out as a cardinal Divine direction, which demands a comprehensive cognition of its true meaning and import. It is a far-reaching, penetrative and all-embracing pervasive pointer, which, when adequately understood and thereafter imbibed, opens the door to ultimate solace and salvation. We shall then need no external Master or Guru, to give us answers to our multifarious daily doubts and difficulties. Such is its importance and value, that the entire teaching of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (S.G.G.S.) can be encapsulated into its mystical allegory. The metaphor employed in it has hitherto defied a thorough and comprehensive comprehension of its true meaning. Let us try to unravel the mystical meaning behind this cryptic directive. Permit me to mention as a prelude, that until and unless one is already blessed with the actual experience and feeling of the profound spiritual states of ecstasy and euphoria in meaningful meditation (Simran/Bhagti), variously alluded to as Vismaat, Rangan, Kheira, Wajjad, Anand, etc., one will never be able to fully grasp and understand the Divine meaning behind this and many other such mystical utterances enshrined in our sanctified Scriptures. Until then, we will keeep on giving only literal interpretations and providing merely academic expositions, thus inadvertently and ignorantly, misleading the masses. Such renderings and dissertations, when wantonly and egoistically continued, can even reach blasphemous proportions, which perforce have to be repaid in unimaginable and hellish after-lives. Hence, it is prudent to be mindful of our present inadequacies and incompetence’s and thus wait for the ripe moment when God, through His benevolence and grace, has eventually prepared us for such an onerous task of correct Gurbani translations. What is Shabad: The first word Shabad depending upon the context in which it occurs, can have four main connotations. They are, (i) The Word, or Teaching of the Guru, which, in its elevated connotation, originates from God. (ii) Through the Teaching of the Guru and /or God. (iii) The all-pervading Divine power which percolates the entire Universe. This is also alluded to as Naam or Naam Kalla which is resident inside of man but normally in a dormant, inert state. "Nau nidh amrit prabh ka naam, theyhee mei is kaa bisraam" (sukhmani) meaning, "The providential Naam which can bestow us with the nine Treasures and is a Nectar, is resident inside of man in a restful, dormant state". (iv) The fourth meaning is, "the process and the actual and a vibratory experience of this awakening of Naam Kala", which under normal circumstances is usually lying sleeping, and dormant but docile in man, as brought out under (iii) above. In the title phrase under review, this first word Shabad carries all the four meanings hretofore enumerated, but more empathetically the connotation at (iii) above, which is Naam Kala (the Holy Life Force). Additionally, it also refers to the hidden aspect of God within us, the Jeev-Atma, which has the potential of manifesting a multitudinal attribute of the Creator. Who is Guru: This second word Guru does not require much explaining: It simply means a Guide, a Master, someone who removes darkness, an Enlightener. But the third and fourth words, Surat dhun need careful study. What is Surat? Just like the words Shabad Surat and also Dhun, reflect many a meaning depending upon the context in which they are employed. Surat can mean. (i) Ordinary Consciousness. (ii) Sub and Superconsciousness, the Budhi. (iii) Inner superior knowledge; knowing. (iv) Attention, Contemplation, profound Prayer/Meditation. There is a cogent quotation from Bhai Gurdas Ji’s Varaan which uses the words Shabad and Surat in the context of the meaning enumerated above: "Raag naad Sabkoe Sunai, Shabad Surat Samjai Veirloee" meaning. "Each and sundry listen to melodious music (practice of praise of the Divine in devotional Bhagti); only a fortunate few can understand (imbibe and feel) the depth of such devotion". As you will note, this quotation of Bhai Gurdas Ji is itself rather enigmatic and is replete with mystical meaning. In the title phrase under consideration, this word, Surat reflects all the various definitions listed above, but more particularly those under (ii), (iii) and (iv). Where Does Dhun Dwell? The word Dhun can also be used in various applications and connotations such as: (i) Sound, Spontaneous utterance or Reaction, as referred to in the S.G.G.S. Ramakali by Guru Nanak," .... Dhun Vaajei anhad ghoeraa..." (ii) Vibration, Trembling, Ecstatic and Euphoric Feeling and Experience. (iii) Echo, Reverberation, Automatic Outcome, Spontaneity. (iv) A Song or Tune’s basic central theme, as in the Science of Music (Sangeet Vidya). In the title phrase under deliberation, this word Dhun manifests all the meanings categorised under (i), (ii) and (iii) above, but more pregnantly that listed at (ii), which is a Feeling, a religious spiritual Experience and Reaction, variously referred to as Anhad Dhun, Shabad Dhun, Akaath Kathaa, etc. Who is Chela: The last word Chela has also here a deeper and more profound meaning than ordinarily attributed to it, which is a Disciple. In the phrase under discussion it is more akin to Discipleship or, better still, Receivership. Having briefly explained the meaning of each word, the correct translation or interpretation of this famous proverbial but pragmatic and pithy passage, "Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela", would read as below : Having laid down the possible meanings of each word in the unique quotation under review, a translation of it is herewith attempted, which perforce may yet require further elucidation: "The potentially powerful and all-pervading Naam Kalla lying dormant within man, is our eternal and ever present Guru and Godly Guide (Shabad Guru). We become the Recipients (Cheilla, Discipleship) of its ever available guidance always from within, when it is awakened into a vibrant, ecstatic and euphoric feeling and experience in effortless spontaneity (Surat Dhun)". The above translation although appearing as a fairly detailed interpretation, would still require further clarification to render it more readable and understandable to an average Gursikh’ most of whom are still neophytes into the deeper spiritual insights of Gurbani. Naam and Shabad – As Manifest Divinity Before we can delve deeply into Gurbani, we must, first and foremost, get established in our minds that on most occasions where the word Naam appears in the Gurbani, it does not connote a mere name of God, but a tangible entity, and a power-house of a tremendously potent and powerful source of all-pervading energy, normally lying still, dormant and inert in man. The following passages from the Sukhamani Sahib will make this point clear. "Naam kei dhaarei agaas pathaal. Naam thei dhaarei sagal akaar. Naam kei dhaarei pureiaan sabh bhavan" meaning :- "All the planets, whole Galaxies and the entire Cosmos is created and subsequently supported and sustained in their proper and precise orbits, by the Divine Power of Naam". Again, it is recorded, towards the end of the formal Sikh Ardaas, "Nanak Naam Chadhthee Kellaah, Terei Bhanei Sarbat Thaa Bhellaa". We have seldom, if ever, suspected that in this daily prayer/ardaas of the Sikhs, that Naam is succinctly defined directly as a Chardee Kalla, a Power House of limitless Energy that is never depleted but is ever in ascendancy, i.e. always self-replenishing and exuberant, which only God, the primordial Creator can actuate. The Awakening of Consciousness: As already pointed out under the third attribute of Shabad above, Naam is also resident inside of man, but normally existing in an inert and dormant state. This can be awakened but only through God’s Grace and Benevolence, after we adopt a stance of total, utter and unconditional surrender / submission to the depths of the Divine within, during our meditation moments in meaningful worship. This is corroborated in the SGGS as follows: Page 268: "Asthir Bhagti Sadh ki Saran, Nanak jap jap jeevai Har kei Charan" - meaning: "The highest form of meditation (Bhagti) is carried out by completely surrendering oneself to God. Nanak liveth by worshipping submissively in a totally surrendered state". Please note that "Saad" here does not mean a Sadhu or a Saint, but God Himself, and since God, the formless all-pervading presence, cannot have any feet, "Har Ke charan" also alludes to surrender in complete submission. SGGS Page 754: "Har Ki Bhagti Sadh rung raatei, houmei vichoen jaallei", meaning "Meditation (Bhagti) actuated by God is always accompanied by a feeling of ecstasy and a reaction (rung raatei) when the egoistic and other such self-willed tendencies are exterminated". The Arousal of Surat(i): When this all important charismatic commodity of the (Naam Kalla) is awakened from its state of slumber (Bisraam), it must leave behind in its wake, a tell-tale sign and an ecstatic experience. How could it be that when this great sleeping giant (Naam Kalla) is aroused and awakened inside of us, that we will not receive any sort of feeling and experience? Surely, we must! If inspite of our many holistic efforts, there occurs none of the prescribed experiences, as copiously described in our Sanctified Scriptures, then we can be certain that it has indeed not yet been stirred into the requisite - and much sought-after -awakening, variously termed as Naam Rung, Naam Rus, Naam daan (Gift of the awakened Naam), Naam Praaptee, Naam melai ("Nanak Naam melai Taan Jiwaan, Tan mun theewei Hariaah") – This is the last sentence in SGGS on Page 1429 meaning: "Only when I received this Gift of the awakened Naam, can I be considered as really alive and living, resulting in my Body/Mind complex blooming in radiance". SGGS Page 279: "Naam rung sarab sukh hoei. Bud-bhagee kesai prapat hoei", meaning: "The experience of the arousal of Naam Power gives complete peace and solace, but only the fortunate few can attain this high state". The dire need for the "Naam Rung", the awakening in ecstasy of this Holy Life Force, is further emphasised in the next quotation which we regularly recite in our morning obligatory prayers, without paying any heed to its importance and, least of all, how to go about imbibing its Truth! SGGS Page 4 (Japji Sahib): "Bhareeai mutt pappaan kai sung. Oh dhopai nawai (naam) kai rung" - meaning: "When our mind and being are polluted brimful by sinful activities, this is cleansed and purified through a vibrant stirring of the awakened Naam power (in meditation)". It is only when the holy word (Shabad) within us has been stirred into an awakening that we are able to communicate meaningfully with the Divine centre, the Shabad Guru within us, which is the direct representative of the Param-Atma, the all-knowing aspect of our Being. He will then provide us with answers and solutions to any question or doubt which we need to pose to it. The modus operandi of such sanctified and charismatic communication is through the vehicle of an ecstatic experience (Surat Dhun), similar to what we may have been used to receiving, in our usual Simran-Bhagti (Meditation) sessions. The more sensitivity we have been gifted to experience, during these mystical higher states of altered consciousness (Surat Dhun), the more accurately will we begin to receive the desired answers. These could manifest into a variety of vibrant and dynamic modes, including physical, mental, visual (visions), auditory (Sunanaa), vocal (Akath Kathaa), Sensory, i.e. through all our other supplementary senses, which our body-mind complex is capable of responding to. Through all these responses we assume the metaphoric receivership role of a Cheillaah. This is how the Master, the Shabad Guru, the motivating Naam Power within us, becomes the internal Guide and how our recipient and responsive aspect, assumes the Discipleship (Cheillaah) through the all important link of a sensitised Surat Dhun. This is similar to the Guru-Cheillaah relationship, where the Guru is the Giver and the Cheillaah, the Disciple is usually the Receiver. We are then able to claim our high heritage bestowed upon us by the Creator, and thence, we do not have to seek any external Guru or Guide, because we have, at long last ,found Him resplendent within our own noble being. Then the search stops, for we begin to become recipients of bountiful blessings of the awakened Shabad, the Divine Guru within us. You may now turn back to the "True Translation" appended above, to grasp and comprehend its fuller meaning and thus appreciate its importance. Sat Sree Akal.
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    It's not unity if Sikhs continue being naive little fools sucking up to muslims, and they don't return the favour. This is just sheer stupidity. They don't even take care of our existing Gurdwaray, let alone make new ones!
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    Look, historically the Muslims have been our enemies because their religion does not accept the validity of other religions. So it will always be the enemy of all other religions. The Hindu or more especially the Hindu elite (bahman-bania) are our enemies at the moment. So should he accept help from or have unity with our historic and natural enemies in order to fight our present enemies? By building mosques these stupid Sikhs are aiding a rival religion to gain a foothold in our land.