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  1. Who is the lion and who is coward? Nirbhau, nirvair .. There is no punishment.. Not realising the sweet nectar of truth is no punishment it's a self-inflicted prison called ignorance
    4 points
  2. They also made thousands of Sikhs refugees across the tribal regions of Pak/Afg recently. None the less, the ones that are good are irrelevant. The few that are terrorists overshadow them and are too big of a threat for us to sit here saying "b-b-but not a-all are bad :(." We can't dismiss Islamic terrorism because not all Muslims are bad, it's not a difficult concept.
    3 points
  3. Nope only DDT fanbois can see this "imaginary" flow of the picture. It's not a good precedent, if everyone starting doing this and it is deemed acceptable, the doors are wide open to beadvi. Should Donald Trump , put his picture up like that too if he was ever to visit a Gurdwara for example.. and decided to advertise the fact...
    3 points
  4. It's not the same poster on the poster in the Sikh24 link, Sant jis photo is below the picture of the Sahibsades , not at the same level as it is on the banner. We should remain vigilant of such things in Gurughars and challenge and question all potential beadbis.
    3 points
  5. This is just the same poster but removing the frame containing the dates of the program . and seriously I would have a problem with all the pictures not just levels . In Guru ji's hazoori we should be focus on the gurbani not an artist's kalpana
    3 points
  6. That link you posted does not contain the actual banner that was actually displayed in the Gurdwara diwaan hall. I have attached the actual picture of the banner clearly visible as it was displayed in the diwaan hall. You can clearly see the images at the same level. You think there's nothing wrong with that ?
    3 points
  7. Has anyone seen the actual poster/banner advertising the barsi that the speaker in the video is referring to ? I have seen the picture of the banner which was in display in the Gurdwara diwaan hall. From the looks of it , he may have a valid point, you shouldn't have sants pictures on the same level as Sahibsadez and Gurus.
    3 points
  8. The chaps causing a ruckus in the Gurdwara could have just intelligently answered the questions being levelled by the speaker in the Gurdwara instead of forcefully trying to stop him speaking and causing a scuffle. Are people incapable of intelligent discussion ? Are they not articulate enough to engage in dialogue ? These actions of forcefully trying to stop someone talking is what caused the beadbi of the police entering the database sahib with shoes on and heads not covered...
    3 points
  9. Isn't southall the uks Surrey? Local singhs musta smash d the <banned word filter activated> afterwards
    2 points
  10. Once Muslims population increases in our Punjab there's gonna be guaranteed more problems like drugs gangs grooming of native Punjabi girls ect this happens anywhere there are is a large population of Muslims in non Muslim area
    2 points
  11. Well for someone who recommended to another not to pay me much attention, you flatter me with the attention you yourself have paid me thank you Before I go on may I firstly just bring to your attention.. 21. Kisae dee ninda, chugalee, atae eirkhaa nahee karnee - Do not gossip nor slander, or be spiteful to anyone. The irony... So my post was related to what we know... We know guru sahib made additions to Guru Granth Sahib ji including bani of the ninth master. Pointedly he didn't add any of his own verses. So he clearly saw the ggsj as having supreme authority to which he personally in his humility did not feel the need to add hukumnamas? I find this strange that dashmesh pita in all his wisdom left out something which you believe supercedes it's authority.. Are you genuinely suggesting that ggsj is incomplete? Now may I, in the interest of expanding my own limited knowledge see the sources of your references. I have no personal agenda I just haven't. By which I mean where are the documents of hukumnama with guru sahibs seal.. I personally have seen a hand written hukumnama by guru sahib that is not listed in the 52 you reference. If you can point me in the right direction and show me a picture of said hukumnamas which in this day and age should not be really very difficult.. If you cannot supply evidence then are you not inadvertently saying that guru sahib in all his wisdom and prolific literary output some how forgot to have codified documents that are now being attributed to him? I've digressed the original post asked a simple question.. I provided a opinion, one which is with intelligent, rational, critical arguments I'm open to modifying.. Now just one additional and very interesting observation I made of your statement is that of of you speaking of 'political Sikh ideology'.. I think your language speaks for itself as to who has the agenda? Political being the operative word SSA
    2 points
  12. Not racially, but I am sure religion probably played a critical part.
    1 point
  13. They wouldn't do this their own kind. Should this be treated as racially motivated?
    1 point
  14. Deport the scum back where they belong and never let them in the UK.
    1 point
  15. Yes, that's probably the best way. I think that was how a Singh funded the creation of the Garja Singh statues.
    1 point
  16. Good luck to you my friend.. All knowledge and exploration is of value even if people disagree with the proposition? I'd be happy to make some suggestions and help with any fundraising if you so wished..
    1 point
  17. I apologise for I digressed in my post and responded to a side issue with my thoughts.. I believe any academic research should be welcome and we need more of it.. For me One of the greatest tragedies to befall the Sikh quam was the loss of the library of Guru gobind Singh Ji in the sirsa after the siege of anandpur.. I believe the academic contribution made by Niddar Singh has great value if we approach it agnostically ie. We as individual researchers judge it upon the merits and veracity of the evidence to substantiate any given proposition.. What I can say is that all research should be encouraged without it being politicised.. I think to create a body of work the Sikh community should set up a bursary fund to finance academics to engage in research where the research is totally independent of any political objectives of the financiers.. Within Sikh community many people are really quick to dismiss and denigrate a piece of work not for any rational reason but rather that the intellectual questions that many works uncover challenge our dogmatic assumptions .. More research from a plurality of opinions is what we need so that we can eliminate with confidence all nonsense
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  18. Looks like you want to turn this debate into a gutter and trash talk like you are use to doing. This must be a sign of your mentality resorting to school yard name calling. I wont bother stooping to your low level. This is a forum with many people of knowledge.
    1 point
  19. Y your gettin sarcastic with me, i have no clue, i just simply answered/corrected the brothers comments above. Secondly, after bluestar happened, we went to war with the indian state in a civil war (1985-93ish), which was the only option, as the ask for khalistan became our only option. Either that, or we just sit there n carry on getting shittar from panjab police/bsf/raw etc. Pakistan hating and wanting to destabilise india works in their favour and ours. Who else did u want to fund sikhs with weapons then, which had to be snuck in via various methods across states/borders? U said "We paid with our blood to further their aims"....their aims? Khalistan and the push for it was NOT "their aims", it became a necessity after bluestar. U kno u need to research this topic properly, rather than post rubbish n embarrass yourself.
    1 point
  20. So they used us in an attempt to destabilise Punjab, thus strengthening the Pakistani position versus India? And that's viewed as a positive by us? We paid with our blood to further their aims, even though it was dressed up as support for our fledgling revolution. They played us, and we're grateful for their 5hitty AK's.
    1 point
  21. If the reason we wear turban is because to stand up to the mughals. Also is the turban not an arabic origin tradition? Why copy the arabs. Im not against the turban or Growing of the hair. But Im saying why cant somone be considered a true Sikh without the turban. From what I understand the turban is a cloth used to cover the long hair aw it would look odd to have long hair without a covering of some sort. My other issue is the arrogance that Some Sikhs have just because they wear a turban and think they are better even though they drink and eat meat ect.
    1 point
  22. This is the most foollish and consciousless answer, can a expert in nonsense give like this poster, full of arrogance, ego and wickedness. Verily the sign of a totally corrupted conscience. Well what else can be expected from a cheap chap like you? Better, first you go to the Guru or the panj pyare, to give you a cure for this your chronical disease of foolishness.
    1 point
  23. Just peep silently deep into your heart, you will hear the voice of your conscience, telling you if you have done anything wrong or not. Most of us know already what is right or not, but if ever any doubt, just remember, anything which takes you away from Wahiguru, that is "paap", that is sin, and on the contrary, anything which takes you nearer to Wahiguru, that is "punya" Also, any karam done under the influences of the panj chor: kaam, krodh, lobh, moh and ahankar, is nothing else, but for sure bad karam, and as such, we need to ask for forgiveness from Wahiguru. Sat Sree Akal.
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  24. Ah! No. Am saying halal SHOULD be considered different from jhatka n gave reasons why "Meat is meat" is a complete wrong thing to claim.
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  25. Do both. There was always trouble with the fobs and thugs standing in and outside Glassy Junction and this sometimes led to fisticuffs, which is why it was a relief for all when the use changed to a restaurant. There's a thread elsewhere on here about a white redneck who entered a Gurdwara pissed from a pub nearby and proceed to take it upon himself to try to rape one of the sangat. A Gurdwara's surroundings ultimately affect the sangat. Young Singhs might be able to handle it but we have a responsibility too to protect those that can't.
    1 point
  26. Useless and unnecessary expenditure like the sort you have referred to above is deliberately incurred by sharabi kebabi committee men in return for kickbacks. Straight corruption at its easiest and simplest. They simply look after number one, which is why they can shell out unnecessary £000's, but can't even organise free Sikhi parchar. There was a case at my local Gurdwara where this exact thing happened two years ago under the old committee. Completely useless, unnecessary, and unrequired work was incurred at the cost of £000's for a car park that was going to be built over anyway. Worse still, the dodgy contractor wasn't even paid from the Gurdwara bank account. This is what made this case even more blatant, contemptuous and offensive than the usual embezzlement of Gurdwara funds. The General Secretary instead claimed he made the payment on behalf of the Gurdwara personally. Yeah right. They took sangat for straight fools. This was their mistake. It followed from his claim that he needed reimbursing. Being the man in control, he then easily obtained a cheque for £000's from the Gurdwara Treasurer, which he paid directly to himself. When the sangat discovered this outrage, the dodgy General Secretary was pursued and proof of the alleged expense was demanded. He was asked to provide any sort of document to verify the expense he allegedly incurred, e.g. an invoice, contract with the builders, or receipt. The old bugger was hardly going to supply one was he? He would have simply incriminated himself. So the old committee sat tight and saw their term out. Evidence was never supplied. This incident was the tip of the iceberg. There is a long history of overpayments to the "old boys" network posing as contractors and using vastly inflated contracts with these budday (and that is meant as a matter of fact not an insult). But the opposition from sangat was too strong, determined and active to take no for an answer. We forced them out at the last elections. This is what corrupt Gurdwara committee Presidents and General Secretaries need. These shady types masquerading in the garb of Sikhs, to steal sangat funds and respect they don't deserve, are unafraid of the Guru and don't respond to brotherly advice or dharam. You have to relentlessly and publicly challenge, expose them, warts-and-all for who they really are, and force them out. This is the only way.
    1 point
  27. I have already addressed kosher: "A kosher outlet should get the same reception as halal because the meat is still prepared in the sacrificial fashion, exactly the same as the islamic one." Some people might not be aware of this fact. But that ignorance would quickly disappear if they witnessed a chained animal being slowly and sacrificially murdered in the abrahamic fashion. I'm not preoccupied with being accused of anti semitism just for calling out kosher meat, and rightly so. That would be simply ludicrous as it simply doesn't apply here.
    1 point
  28. With respect, if these Sikh business owners in West Midlands are anything like the ones in West and East London, £150,000 is the sort of sum one would cough out if one sneezed too hard. That the Gurdwara even needed to put out a public appeal speaks volumes about us as a community in the UK. We struggle to achieve Khalistan, and rightly so. We aspire to halemi Khalsa Raj, and rightly so. We demand the return of our sovereignty over our stolen land, and rightly so. But when the time comes to it, we as a 600,000+ strong community in this country are so disorganised we can't even nip something like this in the bud without it going public??? The whole situation is quite frankly a downright embarrassment. The property purchase should have been dealt with discreetly between the Gurdwara committee and a few prominent Singhs alone. It will be a sad indictment of Gurdwara committees in Birmingham in particular and the UK in general if they can't come together to solve this problem and help this particular Gurdwara out in this case. Sadly, knowing what the committees are like, I am afraid that is a distinct possibility.
    1 point
  29. The Gurdwara committee doesn't even need to come up with £150,000, nor do they need to buy it outright. If they can raise even a quarter of that sum, they can easily obtain a commercial mortgage for the rest. The rent from the flat and shop should cover the interest portion of repayments at least. Mortgage rates are at historical rock bottom. They won't be rising sharply anytime soon either, particularly with Brexit and its bloody aftermath up in the air.
    1 point
  30. The fact this is even being proposed illustrates perfectly the problem with Gurdwara committees.
    1 point
  31. This is what baffles me. I tried to find Singh Sabha Gurdwara, Somerset Road on the charity commission website to check its last filed accounts. But in all its years of being open, it appears it has never been charity registered. Why is that? That is shocking if it is the case. The Facebook statement that "the Gurdwara are not currently in a position to undertake either of the above options" makes no sense at all. The property is, subject to due diligence, potentially an investment. It already has rent from the flat above, together with the potential of income from leasing out the shop below, which could alternatively be put to community use. I would like to know the achievable total rent for the property to work out expected yield. At least 10% should be demanded, as I understand this place is on the outskirts of Birmingham rather than the city. However, if that appears viable, it should be bought. I may of course be misreading the entire situation as I do not have local knowledge. If the area is non-commercial, that would have a significant bearing on demand from occupiers and therefore rents. Even if it doesn't make commercial sense, the asking price could always be negotiated, but I see no reason why a potential purchase should be turned down flat. We all know the reserves the bigger Gurdwaras are sitting on. Surely the Council of Gurdwaras in Birmingham should be taking notice?
    1 point
  32. I don't know about that. Paedo gangs in East London have been exclusively the preserve of muslims (mostly mirpuris). Panjabis tend to be moderate, regardless of religion, though you do still get the odd anjem slipping through. My best friends in secondary school were Panjabi muslims and I never had a problem with a single one of them on account of my faith. Let's bear in mind that this was at a time when people had serious beef with pakistani muslims, not least other muslims, and SP was in full swing out here exacting bloody justice. Many Panjabi muslims have respect for us as a religion and a people because they have had a long time to learn and recognise what Sikhs are about and stand for. That should be the case for all muslims, but sadly respect for other religions does not fit with islam. We actually proved our tolerance during the 100 odd years when we ruled Greater Panjab. This was a time when we could have repaid Panjabi muslims for the first two Sikh holocausts in the same coin if we wanted to. However, we operated at a far higher standard. That is fact and you can take the word of revered muslim historians, rather than my own, for that. Tolerance in the form that we demonstrated is impossible and unheard of in islam. The point however remains, and everyone admits this, no matter whether it's a white englishman, black jamaican, or brown hindu. Muslims in general would never seek out, groom and sexually abuse their own children the way they do, with ingrained and remarkable normality, to everyone else's children. There should be no issue with a "Bob the Butcher's" as you put it, though in your defence given how many Sikhs are vegetarian, I can see how that would cause problems. A kosher outlet should get the same reception as halal because the meat is still prepared in the sacrificial fashion, exactly the same as the islamic one. Whatever one's personal practice and belief, vegetarians should not try to impose their beliefs on the halal meat problem. I called for this not to be turned into a meat debate in general. Some people may be unintentionally ignorant of Guru Ji's injunction specifically against halal meat itself, which is acceptable y the extent that ignorance can be corrected. However, if one is deliberately trying to obfuscate, twist and confuse the halal meat issue into one of meat in general, that is not cool. Sikhi says that meat eating is neither banned nor promoted. This is a matter of an individual's necessity and choice. Nihang Singhs have a long and time honoured tradition of Jhatka that dates all the way back to Guru Ji. You can't really believe fairy stories that Singhs survived in the Lakhi jungle just by eating leaves. Halal meat on the other hand is specifically banned in Sikhi. And before anyone jumps in to say otherwise, that is not just by a (respected) rehatnama. Halal meat is banned by the holy hukam of Guru Ji themselves. I have dealt above with the distinction between halal and non-halal meat in Sikhi. There is a long and established precedent for the necessity of sensitivity to religious belief in the United Kingdom. If a halal meat shop has to be opened, it doesn't have to be right next to a Gurdwara. That's the precise problem in this respect. We need to look to Guru Ji's hukams for guidance.
    1 point
  33. Cash rich gurdwarae if they had any brains would buy up this shop. That would prevent any meat shop opening there, job done. Slough Singh Sabha owns a row of houses which they use to house Granthi, can't say why this gurdwara cannot do the same.
    1 point
  34. I hear you. The Jews are an interesting case in point. They have mostly avoided conflict with muslims in the UK up to now simply by residing beyond their reach. In the case of Sikhs, on the other hand, pakistani muslims in particular follow us around like a bloody tramp. I witnessed first hand how Ilford South transformed from a genuinely decent place to grow up, into a filthy muslim ghetto over the last 15 years, with all the antisocial problems that a large and concentrated population of muslims living alongside doe eyed kaffirs naturally brings. Rising property prices in the east end, however, have put paid to erstwhile Jewish complacency. Now previously in poverty muslims can simply sell their right-to-buy council flats to eager hipsters and buy a nice big 5 bedder out in Redbridge. You should just see how this is playing itself out in formerly Jewish majority areas like Gants Hill, Clayhall and Barkingside.
    1 point
  35. This is clearly enough of an issue that the Gurdwara has issued a public appeal over it. As I said, I am outside of this specific area, but from your handle I guess you might know better. You could perhaps kindly enlighten us on what the situation is there between muslims and kaffirs these days. From what I have learnt from elders there that fought muslim paedophiles going back decades, there are rife problems with islamics in Birmingham. Let's be quite frank about this. For a halal meat shop that wants to open right next to a Gurdwara, it's never merely about business.
    1 point
  36. This has got nothing to do with meat in general. Let's not try to pretend otherwise. In the case of halal meat Sikhi is unequivocal that we are banned from going anywhere near meat prepared in an islamic, sacrificial, manner. It is as much an affront to our religious beliefs as pork is to a muslim. Would muslims accept a pork factory in the vicinity of a mosque?
    1 point
  37. *URGENT* Property Sale or Rent: URGENT REQUEST TO ALL There is potential of a halal meat shop opening in close proximity of Singh Sabha Gurdwara Sahib Somerset Road Handsworth Wood. The landlord has been made aware of the offence meat sale at the premises will cause to the Sikh Community which indeed will result in an outright objection by Sikhs across UK who fundamentally condemn this. While he understands this as an issue, he as a businessman has indicated the loss he is making with a vacant property. It is a MIXED USE commercial property with self-contained accommodation above. The property already has a constant rental income for the accommodation. There are 2 urgent options proposed to the Sikh Community: Purchase of the property (Currently on market for £149,995, offers are invited) Letting the property on a long-term lease As the Gurdwara are not currently in a position to undertake either of the above options, *we* *are calling upon anyone that may be interested in pursuing the request* Specifications of the property with both options can be made available upon request. The property is located on Somerset Road, Handsworth Wood, Birmingham, B20 2JG. For further information or to express an interest please contact Mandeep Singh, Committee Member of Singh Sabha Gurdwara, Handsworth Wood on 07584374686 or email any inquiries to singhsabhagurdw ara@live.com. We urge all members of the sangat to spread this advertisement as much as possible. Thank you- Singh Sabha Gurdwara, Somerset Road.
    1 point
  38. I think you mean Bradford. However, legal action is never a gimmie. It is, moreover, costly. If the halal meat seller does buy the property, there would need to be a planning application to the local council for change of use because the shop is currently a beauty salon. As a neighbour, the Gurdwara would have the right to oppose any application, therefore, the first recourse would be to the local council. However, the anticipated success or failure of this approach depends very much on council policy. I am no expert on this specific area. What I do know is that pak muslims have majority influence in Birmingham just through sheer volume of presence through population. Given many of the councillors, and even the MPs, are muslim, I fear that a challenge to a planning application would simply be brushed aside. Let's not be coy about this. It will be the latter.
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  39. I don't want either to win. I've seen enough of pr1cks (like badal and amarinder) that couldn't care less. Opinion polls vary, depending on who you listen to any of the three frontrunners could obtain a majority. Given the lack of clarity I would expect a hung parliament. It will then be up to the party that can rope in the highest number of opportunistic grasshoppers to seek to form a majority. Panjab politics is notoriously fickle. Congress is the party that executed the Sikh Genocide. Badal Dal is the party that tacitly supported it. BJP is the one that demanded it. These three parties have raped Panjab for long enough.
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  41. its war time with these half cut goat beardos
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  42. I don't see any reason for them to ban Turban. or hijab however burqas on the other hand are quite intimidating and show self segregation.
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  43. This man better prey to his disney chracter gods that he doesn't get exposed cos I'm sure a lot of ppl would be willing to take justice into their own hands
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  44. They should just come to canada. We already have better health care,established sikh communities so they don't have to worry about communication ect, and lax immigration rules.
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  45. Lets not wish he dies that'd be too much lets just hope he becomes a vegetable or something
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  46. Whens the last time you heard of a christian strapping a bomb on himself and blowing himself up? There is a problem with Islam and its a threat to all of us.
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  47. I would also believe that while I have not gone through the list above, it is highly unlikely that you will find the names of any Sikh victims on it. The Sikh community, in my opinion, needs to think long and hard about why this is, because this flies in the face of ground reality: From my own experience, whilst I do not even hail from a majority Sikh area (the majority of my neighbours are Pakistani Muslims). At least 50% of the victims of these gangs are Sikh Females of widely differing ages and I can draw a list of around 20 cases that I know of myself. Sikhs really need to take a long hard look in the mirror and think why they are the victims and they don't seek justice.
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  48. This is an excellent initiative and I commend it highly. If it could be formalised (i.e. a website or at the very least a blogspot), I believe such a list could be turned into a powerful database to document evidence of horrific unashamed sexual abuse committed scarily exclusively by members of one community in particular. This would help journalists, lawmakers, law enforcers and groups working for victims better understand why there is a problem with this type of behaviour in a section of the Pakistani Muslim community, and therefore come to a conclusion and develop solutions for what to do about it.
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