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  1. i really don't understand your intention of using "sheikhyobooty" but maybe its those parts of dasam granth that include pornography? maybe? just maybe. i still wonder why it used to be called bachitar natak first. and of course those foolish sings, how dare they try to evaluate a piece of literature that people are trying to put next to their guru i only study from Guru Granth Sahib. when i feel like I've mastered every principle and idea of my guru, then ill move forward to other works. but thank you for your concern
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  2. i can't understand why the panth is so reckless about these situations. first of all we ONLY have one guru. which is, obviously, guru granth sahib ji. and if someone wants to believe in bachitar natak, AKA dasam granth, thats fine too, but don't try to make it or put it on the same pedestal as our guru. if you feel its authentic then at best its a work of literature of our guru. he didn't make it our 'GURU' for a reason. we only have one guru. this should put the topic to rest. i do wonder if the proponents and opponents of dasam granth have thoroughly studied the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib ji, and then compared the thought process of the two and see what our guru says versus what dasam granth says....probably unlikely...but hey lets kill each other over an issue we don't know nothing about because its fun to take sides
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  3. First unite the various castes and jathe within one ethnicity and religious group that resides within a few hundred mile radius of land, before trying to unite the entire human race of one planet under one religion. Wake up.
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  4. History will look back on this period of time, and the acts of white western leadership, as the longest death march towards self destruction ever seen. If there is anything remaining of this planet in another 500 years, the period from the mid-to-late 1800's right up to now and the next 100 years will be held up as a warning of human folly and absolute ignorance. How will the average man and woman be judged? I think they'll see us as cowards famed for our selfish desires of self gratification, riddled with a plethora of contradictory forces pulling us in all directions rendering us ultimately useless and barely human. We'll probably be considered barely a few levels above apes. Mental enslavement. That will be the defining descriptor of our times. A sweet prison of the mind.
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  5. I think you need to do a bit of both reading, listening and also memorise it and try to do it from memory - if you can.
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  6. Also add to the list, panthpreet sinh was a Hindu and his actual name is preet. Missionaries are all spreading lies.
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  7. True but till this date they have not been able to prove where in Markande Puran or which ever Puran translations are from. Guru Jee writes Chandi Di Vaar and Chandi Charitar from a Gurmat perspective. These Banis give Sikhs our warrior spirit. And that is exactly what the Indian government wants to destroy. It is just a coincident that all the Shaheeds have been full believes in Dasam Bani? Yet why is it that not one missionary who has doubt on Dasam Bani has been to produce even one Shaheed till date. They just like to talk tough but cannot even kill a mosquito.
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  8. royal blue would the color you are talking about (that nihungs wear). but I'm not familiar with tohra. hopefully that was some help lol
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  9. Don't listen the missionary lies. What really happened in Germany, watch this:
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  10. if you're amrithdhari, this would be an issue where you overcome your 'vikars'. what is the reason that you are so drawn to this person? do you find your husband lacking in some places that are important to you? hopefully its not a case of 'the grass is greener on the other side' but that not really being the case when you get to the other side. you need to sit with yourself first and sort out your issues of why this is even taking place, its more than just being impressed so much by another individual, obviously there is a void inside of you that you feel like he can fulfill, which in a way is also a lack of spirituality and or connection to your consciousness. if this is something you can't control i feel like you should have a sit down with your husband and be honest with him and then move forward. without the discussion, the guilt of going behind his back would probably hurt your soul more than the love would make it feel better.
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  11. No Bhainji, Gurpreet Singh is not an RSS agent. This is a huge lie spread by the missionaries on facebook and whatsapp since he seems to be the biggest thorn on the side of their anti Dasam Granth propaganda. They have tried their best but he beats them every time in debates. Now many of them are so scared to face him that they simply run away like that radio guy Harnek from New Zealand. Gurpreet Singh has great knowledge of Dasam Granth plus he has good debating skills which is a deadly combination for heretics to see in their opponent. Missionaries have come up with two stories in regards to their lie of Gurpreet Singh being RSS. a) First lie is that he is a Hindu convert named Neeraj Kumar who became a Sikh and is infiltrating Sikhs. But Gurpreet Singh has shown this to be false with proof of his family background, father, grandfathers, Uncles and extended family that he is through and through a Sikh. b)Then the second lie spread recently by missionary Shivtegh(who was caught with a bibi in a Gurdwara). This pervert Shivtegh claims Gurpreet Singh is a former Nihang who trained under Nihang Cheif Santa Singh. Gurpreet again proved this to be false with documents dating from that time period showing he was in school at the time. Furthermore, he even challenged Shivtegh to meet with him face to face to prove his allegations and said if he is unable to prove his allegations then he(Shivtegh) has to admit he is a son of a Veshva(prostitute) who does not know the name of his father. These missionaries are extremely unethical people. They use all the lies and propaganda at their disposal to do character assassinations against their opponents. Do not believe them As for him being a former Mona. How can that be used against him? how many of us here were former monas as one point of our lives? many... Same way, Gurpreet Singh was a mona at one point but again kept his Kesh and is now doing great Seva in defending Dasam Granth against these heretics. But these heretics are using this point against him.
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  12. wasn't this gurpreet dudi a RSS hireling I've seen him in his mona roop definitely not a sikh
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  14. Wheguru je ka khalsa Wheguru ji ke fateh. A tragic situation made even more tragic by the fact children were killed. Lets hope they are one with Akaal Purekh Wheguru and have gone to a better place. Wheguru ji ka khalsa Wheguru ji ke fateh.
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  15. Plenty of keshdhari guys (sadly) do exactly what you are crying about pendu.
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  16. Nothing wrong with listening jeeo; however make sure your surthee is focused on the nitnem and not something else Bhai sahib. If it becomes background noise then maybe you should re-evaluate the reasons why you're doing nitnem ??
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  17. “Do not create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone. Awake in peace. Stay in peace.”
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  18. The time you spent posting this topic could've been spent doing a handful of Mool Mantars.
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  19. There's valid reasons to vote the Tories out, but terrorism is not one of them. No elected government of any hue will provide a solution to this problem.
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  20. Found this following beautiful and blissful piece of Gyan from Gurbani by a brother gursikh on the net, which I would like to share it with the Sangat here. The Meaning of Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela: Holy Word as Soul Teacher Bhai Sahib Kirpal Singh Gill* (Malaysia) * World Spiritual Foundation, Kripapuri, 8 Jalan 16/5, 46350 Petaling Jaya. Kuala Lumpur. Malaysia. E-mail: grace@world-spiritual-foundation.ong. The Divine dynamic power or Naam Shabad is the true teacher. The Experience of its Awakening (Surat Dhun) is Discipleship (Chela). This enigmatic yet pragmatic – proverbial statement appears in the Siddh Gosht, Ramkali, Bani of the founding prophet of the Sikhs, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. It consists of 73 stanzas, which mainly embody a synopsis of answers to searching questions put to the Prophet by the premier Yogic Order of the 15th century India. These answers cover a wide variety of spiritual Reality and Truth. It thus lays down in brief the central basis of true Religion and of Sikhism in particular. As a corollary, it puts into proper perspective the prevailing beliefs and notions held by the Yogic cults of the times, who were then toting around some of their misleading views to the masses of India. As such, the Sidh Gosht (Discussion with the Sidhas) is most revealing, inspirational and elevating. It embodies primordial truths of how the Soul, the Atma of man, can claim its high heritage by aligning into rightful resonance with the Param-Atma, the Cosmic Creator. Among a host of other equally mystical and metaphoric outpourings, "Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela", stands out as a cardinal Divine direction, which demands a comprehensive cognition of its true meaning and import. It is a far-reaching, penetrative and all-embracing pervasive pointer, which, when adequately understood and thereafter imbibed, opens the door to ultimate solace and salvation. We shall then need no external Master or Guru, to give us answers to our multifarious daily doubts and difficulties. Such is its importance and value, that the entire teaching of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (S.G.G.S.) can be encapsulated into its mystical allegory. The metaphor employed in it has hitherto defied a thorough and comprehensive comprehension of its true meaning. Let us try to unravel the mystical meaning behind this cryptic directive. Permit me to mention as a prelude, that until and unless one is already blessed with the actual experience and feeling of the profound spiritual states of ecstasy and euphoria in meaningful meditation (Simran/Bhagti), variously alluded to as Vismaat, Rangan, Kheira, Wajjad, Anand, etc., one will never be able to fully grasp and understand the Divine meaning behind this and many other such mystical utterances enshrined in our sanctified Scriptures. Until then, we will keeep on giving only literal interpretations and providing merely academic expositions, thus inadvertently and ignorantly, misleading the masses. Such renderings and dissertations, when wantonly and egoistically continued, can even reach blasphemous proportions, which perforce have to be repaid in unimaginable and hellish after-lives. Hence, it is prudent to be mindful of our present inadequacies and incompetence’s and thus wait for the ripe moment when God, through His benevolence and grace, has eventually prepared us for such an onerous task of correct Gurbani translations. What is Shabad: The first word Shabad depending upon the context in which it occurs, can have four main connotations. They are, (i) The Word, or Teaching of the Guru, which, in its elevated connotation, originates from God. (ii) Through the Teaching of the Guru and /or God. (iii) The all-pervading Divine power which percolates the entire Universe. This is also alluded to as Naam or Naam Kalla which is resident inside of man but normally in a dormant, inert state. "Nau nidh amrit prabh ka naam, theyhee mei is kaa bisraam" (sukhmani) meaning, "The providential Naam which can bestow us with the nine Treasures and is a Nectar, is resident inside of man in a restful, dormant state". (iv) The fourth meaning is, "the process and the actual and a vibratory experience of this awakening of Naam Kala", which under normal circumstances is usually lying sleeping, and dormant but docile in man, as brought out under (iii) above. In the title phrase under review, this first word Shabad carries all the four meanings hretofore enumerated, but more empathetically the connotation at (iii) above, which is Naam Kala (the Holy Life Force). Additionally, it also refers to the hidden aspect of God within us, the Jeev-Atma, which has the potential of manifesting a multitudinal attribute of the Creator. Who is Guru: This second word Guru does not require much explaining: It simply means a Guide, a Master, someone who removes darkness, an Enlightener. But the third and fourth words, Surat dhun need careful study. What is Surat? Just like the words Shabad Surat and also Dhun, reflect many a meaning depending upon the context in which they are employed. Surat can mean. (i) Ordinary Consciousness. (ii) Sub and Superconsciousness, the Budhi. (iii) Inner superior knowledge; knowing. (iv) Attention, Contemplation, profound Prayer/Meditation. There is a cogent quotation from Bhai Gurdas Ji’s Varaan which uses the words Shabad and Surat in the context of the meaning enumerated above: "Raag naad Sabkoe Sunai, Shabad Surat Samjai Veirloee" meaning. "Each and sundry listen to melodious music (practice of praise of the Divine in devotional Bhagti); only a fortunate few can understand (imbibe and feel) the depth of such devotion". As you will note, this quotation of Bhai Gurdas Ji is itself rather enigmatic and is replete with mystical meaning. In the title phrase under consideration, this word, Surat reflects all the various definitions listed above, but more particularly those under (ii), (iii) and (iv). Where Does Dhun Dwell? The word Dhun can also be used in various applications and connotations such as: (i) Sound, Spontaneous utterance or Reaction, as referred to in the S.G.G.S. Ramakali by Guru Nanak," .... Dhun Vaajei anhad ghoeraa..." (ii) Vibration, Trembling, Ecstatic and Euphoric Feeling and Experience. (iii) Echo, Reverberation, Automatic Outcome, Spontaneity. (iv) A Song or Tune’s basic central theme, as in the Science of Music (Sangeet Vidya). In the title phrase under deliberation, this word Dhun manifests all the meanings categorised under (i), (ii) and (iii) above, but more pregnantly that listed at (ii), which is a Feeling, a religious spiritual Experience and Reaction, variously referred to as Anhad Dhun, Shabad Dhun, Akaath Kathaa, etc. Who is Chela: The last word Chela has also here a deeper and more profound meaning than ordinarily attributed to it, which is a Disciple. In the phrase under discussion it is more akin to Discipleship or, better still, Receivership. Having briefly explained the meaning of each word, the correct translation or interpretation of this famous proverbial but pragmatic and pithy passage, "Shabad Guru Surat Dhun Chela", would read as below : Having laid down the possible meanings of each word in the unique quotation under review, a translation of it is herewith attempted, which perforce may yet require further elucidation: "The potentially powerful and all-pervading Naam Kalla lying dormant within man, is our eternal and ever present Guru and Godly Guide (Shabad Guru). We become the Recipients (Cheilla, Discipleship) of its ever available guidance always from within, when it is awakened into a vibrant, ecstatic and euphoric feeling and experience in effortless spontaneity (Surat Dhun)". The above translation although appearing as a fairly detailed interpretation, would still require further clarification to render it more readable and understandable to an average Gursikh’ most of whom are still neophytes into the deeper spiritual insights of Gurbani. Naam and Shabad – As Manifest Divinity Before we can delve deeply into Gurbani, we must, first and foremost, get established in our minds that on most occasions where the word Naam appears in the Gurbani, it does not connote a mere name of God, but a tangible entity, and a power-house of a tremendously potent and powerful source of all-pervading energy, normally lying still, dormant and inert in man. The following passages from the Sukhamani Sahib will make this point clear. "Naam kei dhaarei agaas pathaal. Naam thei dhaarei sagal akaar. Naam kei dhaarei pureiaan sabh bhavan" meaning :- "All the planets, whole Galaxies and the entire Cosmos is created and subsequently supported and sustained in their proper and precise orbits, by the Divine Power of Naam". Again, it is recorded, towards the end of the formal Sikh Ardaas, "Nanak Naam Chadhthee Kellaah, Terei Bhanei Sarbat Thaa Bhellaa". We have seldom, if ever, suspected that in this daily prayer/ardaas of the Sikhs, that Naam is succinctly defined directly as a Chardee Kalla, a Power House of limitless Energy that is never depleted but is ever in ascendancy, i.e. always self-replenishing and exuberant, which only God, the primordial Creator can actuate. The Awakening of Consciousness: As already pointed out under the third attribute of Shabad above, Naam is also resident inside of man, but normally existing in an inert and dormant state. This can be awakened but only through God’s Grace and Benevolence, after we adopt a stance of total, utter and unconditional surrender / submission to the depths of the Divine within, during our meditation moments in meaningful worship. This is corroborated in the SGGS as follows: Page 268: "Asthir Bhagti Sadh ki Saran, Nanak jap jap jeevai Har kei Charan" - meaning: "The highest form of meditation (Bhagti) is carried out by completely surrendering oneself to God. Nanak liveth by worshipping submissively in a totally surrendered state". Please note that "Saad" here does not mean a Sadhu or a Saint, but God Himself, and since God, the formless all-pervading presence, cannot have any feet, "Har Ke charan" also alludes to surrender in complete submission. SGGS Page 754: "Har Ki Bhagti Sadh rung raatei, houmei vichoen jaallei", meaning "Meditation (Bhagti) actuated by God is always accompanied by a feeling of ecstasy and a reaction (rung raatei) when the egoistic and other such self-willed tendencies are exterminated". The Arousal of Surat(i): When this all important charismatic commodity of the (Naam Kalla) is awakened from its state of slumber (Bisraam), it must leave behind in its wake, a tell-tale sign and an ecstatic experience. How could it be that when this great sleeping giant (Naam Kalla) is aroused and awakened inside of us, that we will not receive any sort of feeling and experience? Surely, we must! If inspite of our many holistic efforts, there occurs none of the prescribed experiences, as copiously described in our Sanctified Scriptures, then we can be certain that it has indeed not yet been stirred into the requisite - and much sought-after -awakening, variously termed as Naam Rung, Naam Rus, Naam daan (Gift of the awakened Naam), Naam Praaptee, Naam melai ("Nanak Naam melai Taan Jiwaan, Tan mun theewei Hariaah") – This is the last sentence in SGGS on Page 1429 meaning: "Only when I received this Gift of the awakened Naam, can I be considered as really alive and living, resulting in my Body/Mind complex blooming in radiance". SGGS Page 279: "Naam rung sarab sukh hoei. Bud-bhagee kesai prapat hoei", meaning: "The experience of the arousal of Naam Power gives complete peace and solace, but only the fortunate few can attain this high state". The dire need for the "Naam Rung", the awakening in ecstasy of this Holy Life Force, is further emphasised in the next quotation which we regularly recite in our morning obligatory prayers, without paying any heed to its importance and, least of all, how to go about imbibing its Truth! SGGS Page 4 (Japji Sahib): "Bhareeai mutt pappaan kai sung. Oh dhopai nawai (naam) kai rung" - meaning: "When our mind and being are polluted brimful by sinful activities, this is cleansed and purified through a vibrant stirring of the awakened Naam power (in meditation)". It is only when the holy word (Shabad) within us has been stirred into an awakening that we are able to communicate meaningfully with the Divine centre, the Shabad Guru within us, which is the direct representative of the Param-Atma, the all-knowing aspect of our Being. He will then provide us with answers and solutions to any question or doubt which we need to pose to it. The modus operandi of such sanctified and charismatic communication is through the vehicle of an ecstatic experience (Surat Dhun), similar to what we may have been used to receiving, in our usual Simran-Bhagti (Meditation) sessions. The more sensitivity we have been gifted to experience, during these mystical higher states of altered consciousness (Surat Dhun), the more accurately will we begin to receive the desired answers. These could manifest into a variety of vibrant and dynamic modes, including physical, mental, visual (visions), auditory (Sunanaa), vocal (Akath Kathaa), Sensory, i.e. through all our other supplementary senses, which our body-mind complex is capable of responding to. Through all these responses we assume the metaphoric receivership role of a Cheillaah. This is how the Master, the Shabad Guru, the motivating Naam Power within us, becomes the internal Guide and how our recipient and responsive aspect, assumes the Discipleship (Cheillaah) through the all important link of a sensitised Surat Dhun. This is similar to the Guru-Cheillaah relationship, where the Guru is the Giver and the Cheillaah, the Disciple is usually the Receiver. We are then able to claim our high heritage bestowed upon us by the Creator, and thence, we do not have to seek any external Guru or Guide, because we have, at long last ,found Him resplendent within our own noble being. Then the search stops, for we begin to become recipients of bountiful blessings of the awakened Shabad, the Divine Guru within us. You may now turn back to the "True Translation" appended above, to grasp and comprehend its fuller meaning and thus appreciate its importance. Sat Sree Akal.
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  21. This is an laudable effort. This is exactly what we need.
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  22. Firstly baba, I have nowhere to run because I don't run from anybody; what kind of a Sardar runs away ?. And Guroo sahib tells us themselves that they feel pain. Guroo sahib feels pain when we distort the meanings of gurbaanee. Guroo sahib cries when we slander one another. Guroo sahib screams when we forget our rehat and adopt lazy manmukh like habits. Look at how many times in the last year saroops of Guroo sahib have become shaheed and been torn and burnt; all because you and I are too scared to give our own blood, so Guroo sahib stands in the way of the bullet for us, the ungrateful proud sikhs we've become. Btw, somebody making a gandhi video has nothing to do with the avasthaa of panj Sikh. You seem to love bringing up these videos about gays in multiple posts; I'm getting the vibe that you're somewhat jealous of this guy ? (When Guroo sahib gives you a direct hukam to slander and judge another person, then go nuts, as for now, forget about others doing whatever kam they decide to do and build up your kamayee. You're wasting your jawani bruv)
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