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The reason they didn't tell about their older daughter is they haven't seen her since, and didn't think it was relevant to their daughter's rishta, as they have probably disowned her. And the other reason is because they would feel ashamed about her, and they would have thought if they do, then it wouldn't portray their family in a good light, thus may have negative thoughts towards her other daughter, due to the older one.

Think of it this way, if she was going to run off then she would have already. You have an advantage here, your potential wife here is going to be more considerate because her family had already gone through a lot of hassle already. Bottom line, you shouldn't judge her or her family because of one family member.

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you could try doing this if you want bread and butter pud https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/how-make-bread-butter-pudding-third-fat

look up bread pudding it is made with raisins and spices like cinammon and all spice , we used to make it all the time to use up the bread we couldn't sell at Mum and Dad's shop like this : https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/13355/bread-pudding no eggs you could add some cornflour if you want ...we didn't bother

Wisdom / foresight, humility, and a healthy disposition of mind and body. If a person posseses these qualities they're usually relatively intelligent and decent to look at, unless you've ridiculous demands of aesthetic perfection. Anything else is utterly superfluous and not worth consideration.

Agree.

If there's doubt, then bring this issue to an end amicably and without any form of tamasha. You don't have to burn your bridges. An overbearing female presence was the first alarm. That type of woman usually unwittingly transfers her behavioural patterns to her daughters. If the girl you're interested in, through no fault of her own, believes that's the norm in all families you WILL be dominated and pushed around after marriage. Her initial docility and agreeable behaviour is standard procedure when hoping to attract a partner through the Punjabi engagement framework. It's a facade that will be discarded once the relationship has been solidified. The missing sister admittedly is none of your business at this stage, but now that you know, it's another warning signal. Don't let your male brain lure you into something unsavoury because you find the girl attractive. Whilst it would be unfair to tar all siblings with the same brush due to the actions of one, you need to judge the situation in a manner that goes beyond, "She's fit so she's perfect in every way." Are you capable of adjudging a woman's relative strengths and weaknesses dispassionately? Hopefully you're strong enough to listen to those doubtful voices that moved you to create this topic, but something tells me you're hoping for replies to encourage you to go ahead with the engagement. I hope I'm wrong.

You and your family sound like utter douchebags. If she hasn't already declined the rishta after your mother said she'd be conducting checks on her/ her family, you should decline for her sake. Shallow af. They obviously had an issue in their family which they weren't very proud of obviously, maybe still emotionally hung up about it and there you are like "oh I fancy her, but her sister ran away, should I decline?! Sob." You don't sound like a Singh. And if you are, you need to fix the f**k up. Do you not have a sister at home? Imagine if some prick turns up to your house to check out your sister and then his thick as s*it mother tells you she's gunna do some checks on your sister. I would slap her silly. You ain't ready to get married mate. You don't even know how to respect someones daughter. WT F is it with these men in our kaum these days?! Do you all not have sisters and mothers?!?!

Farid ji was a sufi , he trod the path of sikhi where his focus was Akal Purakh alone , his writings would be considered heretical by his contemporaries unless they believed like he did as he said that akal purakh was rameiya in his creation which 100% contrary to the abrahamic model. By your logic Bro then who was Catholic to visit Rome and the Pope? who was Buddhist to visit Tibet, Ladakh, Leh? who was Hindu and doing tirath to visit Gorakhnath , Benares , Godri etc? truth is Sikhi went to the main centres of ALL the major faiths and Guru ji spread Akal Purakh's message to them .

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Talking about stale bread, I was looking at bread and butter pudding recipes recently, and the amount of butter they use is way too much for what I'd expect .

Ok, I've always said noon, as in midday 12pm, or so. But here's more to add to the confusion: " Is noon a.m. or p.m.? Well, the correct answer may surprise you because it is actually neither. That’s right; technically noon is neither a.m. nor p.m. Although it is common to see noon expressed as 12:00 p.m., it is actually incorrect. So the next time one of your friends sends you an email saying, “Let’s meet at 12:00 p.m. noon for lunch.” you might want to take note." http://writingexplained.org/noon-am-or-pm

Are you crazy, bro? She's tall, pretty, educated, AND her family is quite well off.

If you don't want the rishta because of these doubts, move on. There are plenty of other girls.

What you about. Noon da lagda. Thought you was in USA? Which country are you in?

That's true also. But as life goes on you do get to know them more, which is what happens mostly after marriage. Before, you will only know bits and bobs. @Jacfsing2, by the way, don't you ever sleep over there. When it's our day, you're online then. Chakkar ki a ? ?

@Big_Tera, lol. Don't be so harsh.

@Jacfsing2 "What is it with all these wrong these you are doing?" Hain? Eh ki likh dita ?

yep I've used brown , white, even stale muffins it all works

Is normal bread ok to use ?

needs less cheese then and yet is still as satisfying, maybe moreso judging by the 'hungry wolves' response from the lads , just use staleish bread slices and food process/chop/shred into the grated cheese , mix and spread

Thank you. And? http://www.discoversikhism.com/sikhism/sikh_ardas.html Some nice sakhis of Ardaas shakti: http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,3236

I have never seen a singh bowing to the queen ....not her guards , maybe sometime an award receiver may have ... She will get a fateh from me and like it . I have only one King Guru Granth / Guru Panth , Akal Purakh no one else

you forgot the breadcrumbs as well to add crunch to contrast...

It's quite surprising how you would refer to a 20th century Sikh personality that most Sikhs know as "Bhai Randhir Singh" as "Randhir SIngh". If we can't even refer with respect to our own Sikh saints with respect, who will, Muslims? Near to the end of Gurbani, there's a line that says referring to and addressing saintly Sikhs with respect (by saying "Ji") will earn you freedom from the Messengers of Death: ਤੁਧੁ ਸਾਲਾਹਨਿ ਤਿਨ ਧਨੁ ਪਲੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਧਨੁ ਸੋਈ ॥ Those who praise You gather the wealth in their laps; this is Nanak's wealth. ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੨੮ ਪੰ. ੭ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਜੀਉ ਕਹੈ ਓਨਾ ਕਉ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਤਲਬ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੩॥ Whoever shows respect to them is not summoned by the Messenger of Death. ||4||3|| So let us all refer to Mani Singh, Budha, Gurbachan Singh, Sunder Singh, Randhir Singh, Attar Singh, Gurdas, Kabeer, Puran Singh* and so on as Bhai Mani Singh ji Shaheed, Baba Buddha ji, Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh ji, Sant Giani Sunder Singh ji, Bhai Randhir Singh ji, Baba Attar Singh ji, Bhai Gurdas ji, Bhagat Kabir ji, Bhagat Puran Singh ji and so on. *This is not an ordered list!

I'm sorry but I will have to second what @MisterrSingh said. Yes Guru Sahib is the greatest. And yes, the other religious figures had deficiencies. @MisterrSingh and @Kira both accepted that, so you don't have to say that. What they are saying, however, is to request you not to call other religious names. That's it. The fact that the Holy Bible is not at the level of Guru Granth Sahib ji has nothing to do with what they (MisterrSingh and Kira) are saying. There is no straight line that leads from Guru Sahib being the greatest to calling others names.

I've always felt Sikhism is about quality over quantity.

I think you need to read the new testament, Jesus already said that Christians weren't meant to be following that testament, most of it describes the stuff we see in charitropakhyan. In fact, its just another way to describing the horrors of Kalyug from a different perspective. Bhai Gurdas Ji never called Jesus or anything a traitor, they're about as treacherous as we are, they ended up victims of Maya after she enslaved them, but know this they are above us all in terms of Spirituality in this current state of ours (Rama, Jesus etc), if we follow the lines of Gurbani we can surpass them, but till you do be careful about what you say, they may not hold a candle to Sant Harnam Singh Ji but they are spiritually wise as well. Yes they were imperfect, but calling them those kind of derogatory words will just work against us.

Brilliant news, we can all sleep a little better then but let's be honest here, saying he represent's Sikhs is like saying Kim Jong-un is in charge of a democracy, the guys a middle of the road has been who's career's been hanging by the thinnest of thread's, his wife took him to the cleaner's when he got divorced. As for the smoking thing, I suggest people take a wander out on a Friday night, you'll see plenty of guy's with dastaars puffing away like chimney's. I admire The Collective (most of the time) because they really don't give a crap who they offend, they'll just publish what's going on with no filter.

You aren't them. You never will be the way you're going. The greatest Sikh parcharaks, kathavachaks, and scholars I've heard in my life have never flapped their gums about these figures in the manner that you do. They highlight their deficiencies according to Gurmat. You insult them as if they cut you up in traffic. I'll say it again: you aren't them. There's nothing Sikh about what you're doing. It's demented childishness.

You know why you struggle with focusing on spirituality, curbing Kaam, etc? Because of nonsense like that in bold. You heap such incredible bhaar on yourself without having the kamaai to shoulder such words and opinions. You don't have to agree or like other faiths and their figureheads - i certainly don't when it comes to a few of them - but where do you get the cojones to speak of such figures in that way?

Judaism has 17 million followers compared to our 28 mill, and look how they're running tings internationally! Oy vey, maybe they are the chosen people. ?

I think its more of protecting your own back. Make sure you dont make the wrong move as we know the people in charge get Solicitors involved , make allegations against you , etc.... but they dont see that a Gurudawara is a central hub for sikhs and non sikhs to get enlightened from the teachings of Dhan Dhan sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj , but they dont see that , they see a building and profit. Sadly its all a numbers game, a few of us have been trying since August 2016 to have dialogue with the management , but they dont want to discuss. Back in 2010/2011 ( see thread attached) response was good . People called the gurudawara made their point , Satkaar committee wrote them a letter , held peaceful demonstrations and got them to stop using the hall from 2011 for consuming meat and alcohol . Now in 2017 same this is happening again and response is very poor. I personally believe sangat needs to apply pressure in numbers , bombard them with their presence be it on the phone, letters or in person, hence why i see it as a numbers game .... in order for them to respond. But the sangats views even on this thread is very minimal , which then makes me think , the cause we are fighting for is it a worthy cause .

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Bhai Gurdas Ji's varan and Bhai Nand Lal's writings are unique though. They have the seal of approval from Guru Sahib, they're a special case.

Brother Guest Lost Singh Jee, please keep in mind, if Kalyug is taking over you, it is only, because you are willingly allowing it to control you. Kayug is not something which comes surprisingly and one is not aware of it, and when one comes to know about it, it is late. It is like, someone with the eyes closed is embraced to a tree, and shouting help, help, the tree is binding me .....and then a passerby seeing the scene, tells him, o good man, open your eyes and let off your arms around the tree, it is you who is holding the tree, not otherwise... Funny, isn´t it? Maybe. But, that is our condition. I am sure if we had that love and pull towards Guru Jee, no alarm clocks are needed. When a lover is willing to see or meet his/her beloved, no watch reminder/time looking is needed, it automatically attracts us to our beloved, even before time, nobody has to remind us to go and meet our beloved one. The same is with Wahiguru. If we loved Him as much as little, as we love, or like, our worldly relations, then even that would be enough. Telling you all this, my intention is not to make you feel guilty, but rather to make you aware of, that you have a enormous potential of the wealth of love and sharda for Wahiguru within you, take it, use it, and become spiritually dhanvaant/rich. Now your esteem is low, to regain confidence, take one step at a time and move forward confidently, do not rush to change drastically the situation, because then nothing will happen. When you see kaam approaching you, face it bravely, and give it a hard punch on its face immediately, to knock out it, do not wait to be attacked, otherwise it will defeat you. You have to keep an eye on this wicked vikar, along with that, do ardaas, do bhajan bandagee regularly, keep the company of healthy noble surroundings of gursikhs, that will help you learn to walk again on the path of sikhee. Also keep in mind, you are a sikh of Sachay Patshah, (while kaam is a servant of Kaal), and as such, you have the weapon of His Naam Simran to defeat any such enemy vikaar. You just have to exercise with it regularly, then though you may not be aware, but these dusht vikaars will not attack you, for they know, if they even dare coming closer to you, they will be smashed, with that your weapon of Naam. God bless you. Sat Sree Akal.

Its good to see a SIngh back on track

This taksal is nirmala taksal more hindu oriented then sikhism. They don't know basic facts of the history and they claim they know about who was who in previous birth.

Well with this kind of specification. I am not mocking him but doubting about his writing. You should first think then believe about anybody's writing.