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You can go even further and remind them of the fact that Guru Gobind Singh ji, when they were a very young Gobind Rai, actually threw their gold bangles into a river explicitly saying they didn't want to be a slave of such things. Or the story of Baba Nanak giving a needle to another money horder asking him to return it to him in his next life - but I'd imagine such people would just go quiet upon hearing these things and carry on the same way.

What annoys me is the often implicit suggestion that the people on the receiving end of these political games are angelic, unspoiled victims of chicanery being unwittingly duped by the big bad state. Spend five minutes with them, and you tell me if they think they're foolish and gullible. They aren't victims. They just don't care. That's the truth of the matter. Material gain and worthless trinkets are more important to them than integrity and any long-term welfare of their homeland. We talk about them being brainwashed by the Indian state, and therefore they're unable to realise their mental enslavement, but it's funny how once they arrive overseas they immediately start displaying such amazing political awareness. So where was this knowledge and insight just a few weeks or months previously? Jokers to a man.

More fool the Indian youth for being so easily bought. They had a choice. They could've said no thanks.

Ang 479 Line 7 Raag Asa: Bhagat Kabir ਜੇ ਏਹ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਸਾਚੀ ਹੈ ਤਉ ਗੜ੍ਹਣਹਾਰੇ ਖਾਉ ॥੩॥ Jae Eaeh Moorath Saachee Hai Tho Garrhanehaarae Khaao ||3|| जे एह मूरति साची है तउ गड़्हणहारे खाउ ॥३॥ If this stone god was true, it would devour the sculptor for this! ||3|| Likewise if the depiction of Guru ji was real & intent disrespectful then it would devour the painter for this !

Who knows & cares as long as it's not offensive.

Yes, that's how it is, the whole cosmos is designed perfectly. Akal Purekh created Brahma & gave him the ability to create within what Akal Purekh had already created (maya) Akal Purekh created Vishnu & gave him the duty to preserve what Brahma creates within that which is already created & preserved by him Akal Purekh created Shiva & gave him the duty to destroy what Brahma created & what Vishnu has been preserving. As you can see they all have different roles, attributes & duties that they have been assigned... but what is the one thing that makes them all equal?... it's the fact that Akal Purekh created them all that makes them equal but not the same. Apply this to the whole of creation...including men & women

Yet no Sikh male says "I had a chain round my wife as we walked around guru Granth Sahib during the lavan. Yet you..... Sikh women have done that in the past and no doubt will do so in the future. No Sikh male stops their wife from doing these. Another trait of hers. talk abut women in the panj pyare sewa. get nowhere, no it's onto having babies and leadership roles. Don't be fooled by her serpent tongue.

Just saw the first half of the vid (Tegh Singh's section). I thought it was quite inspiring myself. It was refreshing to see an American not blindly following some twisted notion of patriotism and actually questioning the morality of the wars Bush and Blair started. It was also very interesting to see mention of the psychological effects of finding out you had been lied to about your mission as a soldier.

maybe you should stop talking , your brain is escaping from your mouth , sikhs of Guru ji's time had big families and were vidhvaan of high order as well as warriors Bhai Mati Das's family had so many shaheeds how comes your theory doesn't count them as hooligans too ...