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  1. 14 points
    Not acknowledging Sehajdharis as Sikhs would do more harm than good. We're gonna lose demographics just because of pointless discrimination. There are lots of monas who have immense respect for Guru Granth Sahib, more than many amritdharis.
  2. 13 points
    The Path to a Sikh Renaissance I feel that we are in a dire need of a Sikh Renaissance, where Sikhs will be able to contribute to the world at their zenith. I believe we were heading to that point during Maharaja Ranjit's time but it dwindled from there on. I think that we as a community need a re-emergence, and realizing it and bringing it into reality should be our main and only priority for now. Hearing and seeing the Sikh youth in Punjab being gripped by drugs, and in certain parts of the Western world becoming unmotivated, and failing in life is disheartening to see. I think through the following steps, we can emerge as a powerful force, however it will take extreme strife. Here is what I think is needed: Sikhs need to spiritually reconnect with Sikhi Become entrepreneurial by creating new industries or by taking control of existing ones, as a means of gaining great economic resource which can then be channeled to the Sikh cause, think Bill Gates & Mark Zuckerberg type of entrepreneurial success and economic gain Put the Khalistan movement on the back burner for now, as it is only damaging and polarizing the community, and instead build ourselves up to a formidable level where we have a respected global image and can command power; and then bring back the movement through calculated ways and not martyrdom Refocus on being a Sikh, and not a Sikh-Hindu, and pledge allegiance to the Sikh cause by being a united community - agreeing on our future goals, this can only be done by having more parchariks like Jugraj Singh, and supporting them through economic resources which in itself can only be provided by entrepreneurial Sikhs mentioned in my second bullet point Having to set milestones and future goals such as Sikhs winning Nobel Prizes, Oscars, Pulitzer Prizes and etc. Encouragement for meaningful learning and education ( this is the need of the moment, why is it that most of the Sikh youth hates pursuing education, especially Sikhs from Punjab?); we need more Sikhs aiming for the Rhodes Scholarship Branch out into more reputable fields/industries - i.e. Science, Engineering, Medicine, Politics, Academia, Arts/Media, Technology, Business (this honestly is the crux of the Renaissance and I can see some of it already taking place in the Western world); I say this because most Sikhs join the Indian Army and most go for soldier as an occupation, but we need to step back and stop putting our lives on the line and instead need to focus on educating and securing our community through personal development Evolve and be more open - accept Sehajdari, Mona Sikhs, 3HO Sikhs, Sikh sects as a part of the community, the more the merrier, however gradually, with love, help them correct their ways Immigrate from Punjab to the Western world (however through legal means and with the intent of gaining meaningful education, i.e. studying at esteemed institutions in America/England/Canada and not some merit-less community colleges, and gaining reputable jobs), as this will allow Sikhs more global exposure and opportunity Increase our numbers through procreating more children or adopting children and raising them into the Sikh faith, and marrying out (i.e. bring spouses from other faiths/ethnicities into the Sikh fold through reason and willingness, not force like love jihad) Be clear in our focus, respect other communities, but do not advocate their causes (such as the Sikh Coalition standing up for Muslims and Hindus, this is not benefiting us) Reap the benefits of the system, and do not fight it or challenge it for the meantime, however retain allegiance to the Sikh cause (make use of the IITs in India, and Medical Colleges, and the student scholarships that send worthy students to Ivy Leagues); I think the Parsis have been most successful in this Become role models,and in turn inspire Sikh youth, and establish an encouraging network (often times the Sikhs that do attain success, are extremely averse against helping other Sikhs - this is wrong, as we need to create a community that encourages and supports individual success such as the Jewish people) Stop riding the coattails of our ancestors, and instead create new sagas of success in the present-day Uphold the warrior spirit, but put on a thinking cap so that communal decisions can turn out to be effective ones, and not ones that are conducted in the heat of the moment, which ultimately lead to little gain and more damage Revise Judeo-Christian influenced English translations of the GGS and translate the GGS into other major languages (Arabic, Russian, Chinese, French, Spanish) and Indo-Aryan languages (Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi, Marwari/Rajasthani, Bihari, Nepali) to make Sikhism more accessible and understandable for those interested Removal of caste altogether (it has no place in Sikhism, and any pride on ones caste should be absolutely condemned and derided - more Singh/Kaur surnames, zero gotras, let's get out of this tribal thinking) Although I may have repeated myself a few times, this is what I came up with at the moment. Feel free to criticize, discuss and contribute your thoughts about improving the Sikh community. Apologies in advance, if I've offended anyone.
  3. 12 points
    Haha! I laughed when I looked at his comment and the reactions he got.
  4. 12 points
    @singhbj singh and many others are correct that Sikhs are the ones to blame for the rise of deras. However, I think the right course of action to tackle deras and now is especially a great time to implement this, as there are tons of dera followers that will now be looking for a spiritual path, is to welcome all members back into Sikhi, by not discriminating them through their castes. We've made this mistake in the past, and still are continuing with it, however let's not drag it in to the future. These Sikhs have done a great job welcoming the ex-sirsa dera followers: Let's hope that other Gurudwaras not only in Punjab and India, but the world as well, follow suit.
  5. 12 points
    We Sikhs are #1 enemies of Sikhi today. We do more to harm our own faith than any Hindu or Musalman.
  6. 11 points
    At the moment Sikhism is in its golden period. The next 50 years are crucial for its survival and prosperity. It is a make or break time for the faith. If we continue the way we are going Sikhi as we know it will become a insignificant religion on the world stage confined only to Punjabi people and not like a ethically and racially diverse religion like other faiths. Our time is running out. We must act now for the benefit of the next generations who are counting on us for their future. But we are on borrowed time. Unless drastic steps are taken to take the faith further and expand all around the world. If this is not done within the next 50 years it is game over. There will not be an opportunity like this again. Many if not all will eventually become athiest or convert to other religions. This is actually happening now but will get increasingly worse. The next 50 years is either success or failure as far as numbers go. After 50 years are up. There is no way of turning back the tide. That is why I stress the importance in a crucial period and juncture for the faith. We need huge scale missionary activity throughout the world from tibet to mongolia. Dont expect people to one day wake up and look at a basics of sikhi video on youtube then convert on their own will. Yes we can implement digital technology to reach to the masses but that is only one method. We need boots on the ground. Missionary centres on every corner of the earth to spread Guru Nanaks message. We must lobby our so called leaders to fund these projects. Money and resources need to be poured in for the effort to begin. Dedication and commitment is needed from us all. Sacrafices will need to be made. It will not be easy but we can achieve the goal with the right methods and knowledge. Dont think I am just typing this as a passing thought. I am in the process of setting up one of only in the UK of a Sikh missionary centre. If people are intrested in helping and are from the the east London area. Please contact me on ways you can help and contribute to the project. Any thoughts on this crucial period in time that we must act on? WJKK WJKF
  7. 11 points
    Well said. I suspect the Sikhs in arab and middle eastern muslim countries dont really have a choice. To show their loyalty towards the ruling sheikhs and mullahs and its state religion Islam they have to be kinda meek and subservient. Bit like Stockholm syndrome so they kinda have an excuse for their behaviour. However Sikhs in india have no excuse yet some of those idiots in gurdwara commitee's have done these iftari parties aswell for their muslim neighbours...... I would like to ask these commiteee's would masjids do akhand paath for Sikh families or do gurpurb celebrations? No never... so why do some of our gurdwara committee leaders feel compelled do to anti-sikh antics.
  8. 10 points
    This dude is blatantly some fat 35 year old virgin whose never even held hands with a girl and is type who joins in with the his mummy and auntiyah doing choogliyah. He blatantly has no self esteem, probs has no friends and is a social outcase. Comes on here giving it large, when its blatant this dungar cant step into the real world. Listen bruv, instead of chasing bakra meat, go chase women LOL. Or even better allow all that and look at the beauty of Sikhi instead of chatting baquas as per usual.
  9. 10 points
  10. 9 points
    Having watched the BBC report on alcohol being an issue in the UK Punjabi community, I came to a realization that Sikhs value Punjabiyat (Punjabi-ness) over their Hindu and Muslim counterparts and are for that reason suffering. Muslim Punjabi were willing to separate their state, their language and culture for their religion and did so. The Hindu Punjabis as well have distanced themselves from Punjabiyat, evidenced through their speaking of Hindi. Now Punjabiyat has its goods and bads, however as a whole, the culture is extremely destructive. And I think it was for a reason that Guru Nanak was born in a Punjabi community and not any other Indian community, as the culture needed saving, and Sikhi was just that. To be very honest, Punjabiyat and Sikhi are polar opposites. And unfortunately most "Sikhs" follow Punjabiyat over Sikhi. This is our fault. The ethnic identity of Punjab is actually quite recent, having only emerged fully in the 10th century. It was essentially a mixture of Jats, Khatris, Rajputs, Tarkhans, Brahmins, Sindhis, and Dalits that formed a new identity on the basis of language, and now ethnic. Before this, Punjab was home to Vedic teachings and essentially was a small cog in the mega-Vedic machine which encompassed Sapta Sindhu (NW India + Pakistan + Eastern Afghanistan). It's only a few hundred years older than our Sikh identity, and unlike the Sikh identity it was never truly defined up until recently. In fact, taking a look at the history of the Punjab region (when it was called Punjab and before that), there's not much to be proud of in fact. Yes, it was home to the oldest university of the world, Takshashila, a institution for Vedic teachings, however other than that, it was mostly defeat after defeat by invaders and cowardice until Sikhi. The first time after thousands of years of foreign rule, indigenous rule in Punjab was established only by Sikhs. What I'm trying to convey here is that as Sikhs, we need to learn from our fellow Muslim and Hindu counterparts and ease up on the Punjabi identity, and stress more importance on Sikhi. I'm not saying stop speaking Punjabi and whatnot, however get rid of the customs, which are mostly destructive, such as alcohol consumption.
  11. 9 points
    Congratulations to him, his wife family and all the Sikh kaum. Jagmeet Singh continues to do us proud
  12. 9 points
    @GuestSingh Care to explain why you posted my private info on this site and have been trolling my posts this whole time? Why not meet in discourse as invited? I do not believe your behavior is befitting a Sikh, let alone a Khalsa.
  13. 9 points
    As a politician he doesn't owe to any particular group of people, he owes to his constituents and his constituents are vary diverse group of people. Just because many sikhs may have voted for him or may be part of his party donor list does not mean they will now dictate his personal life. With that being said, he did made his engagement as photo up by inviting media so i guess its fair game if people don't like what they are seeing. They are entitled to voice their opinions. I've seen reactions from wider Canadian audience too both positive and being thrown off comments who invites media in personal family event -very tacky at the very least. As a amritdhari singh if he falls in love with non amritdhari and marries non amritdhari, thats between her, Guru and sikh gyani who administer their anand karaj where she be encouraged to adapt Gursikhi life style and thats up to them since it be done in front of hazoori of Guru maharaj its between him/her and Guru, so again its none of our business as him being regular baptised sikh* (he is not a jathedar of misal, sikh leader) he is not really answerable to fellow sikhs but rather panj pyare and or sikh gyani who administers their anand karaj. So if you have sikhi related issue with him, take it up to panj pyares. He has done tremendous work for wider Canadian community including sikh community, none can take that away from him. *Wonders* if he was a regular baptised sikh not famous canadian politican would he be subjected to this type of scrutiny ? I didn't think so. Now as far being him being gursikh role model goes, is he claiming to be role model. If people wrap their head around personality worship and bunch of human pointers and consider him to be role model thats their prerogative not his. Heck, its not like its emanating from him that he is role model, its not like he is declaring every where he goes that he is role model. I've find people to have unrealistic expectations from others and put them on pedestal and get all disappointed if they don't meet our standards. Would you be guys be satisfied if her fiance waters down amrit like many akaalis and sgpc leaders have done- them and their spouses taking amrit just for sake of getting seat and position in sikh panth. I wish them best of luck.
  14. 9 points
    Too much ‘Krodh’ will your destroy your soul. You should do breathing exercises and do lots of naam simran. This much nindia, hatred and jealousy is not the way of a Khalsa.
  15. 9 points
    When muslims have 50+ countries over 1 .3 billion population and huge rich governments of iran, saudi, turkey, central asian republics, gulf states, etc and muslims and commanded to only give charity to muslim causes via zakat. Why are our very few Sikh charity organisations wasting our very limited financial and manpower resources helping non-sikhs in far off non-sikh lands where the people have no interest in Sikhs or sikhism and would not come to our aid if we ever get in trouble as in 1984 proved. Sikhs 30 million population, no country to our name and struggling religious minority fighting for faith and nation since 1947 due the treacherous dogs of sikh leadership who continually sold the kaum out. christian aid they have 3 billion christian population rich western countries and vatican bank chuch isnt helping rohingya, hindus have 1 billion population they never helped non-hindus charity causes ever. Rohingya will be helped by their muslim breathin eventually there is no doubt about that. Us Sikhs do not need to go off on far off adventures to far off places aimlessly if are not there to help the people embrace sikhi with parchar. Question is why is khalsa aid continuing to pursue non-sikh charity causes when there's plenty of causes within the Sikh community that needs urgent attention and help but no help is given. (ie afghan Sikhs dwindling population due to persecution and discrimination, pakistani sikhs struggling financial hardships, indian sikhs in deep poverty and struggling especially families of Shaheeds killed by govt violence). Whats the agenda? foreign adventures? collecting money? Ravi singh is doing a great job showing he is a humanitarian and at promoting the humanitarian side of Sikhi which is great however, where is his and his orgs priorities? They seem to be lost in my view.
  16. 9 points
    They are too cool and awesome. What do i do, i cant even explain with words. They just break all records of awesomeness! Do you guys agree? 😃 Smash that like button if u agree!
  17. 9 points
    He's not a politician he is an activist who was persuaded by his friends to enter politics and make a real change. There's nothing untrustworthy or sly about Jagmeet Singh. He has never compromised his Sikhi or beliefs along his meteoric rise in politics or his youth. He is truly a lion amongst today's many sheep. "Sava Lakh Khalsa"
  18. 9 points
    The Singhs who dragged Bhai Kanhaiya before Kalgidhar Patshaah sounded very similar to you. "Why give water to some muslim, an enemy, when you could be giving water to a Sikh instead? Shouldn't the Sikhs be a priority?" I shouldn't have to remind you how this turned out for them. When Dashmesh Pitaa asked Bhai Sahib why he had done this, Kanhaiya replied "I saw no Mughal or Sikh on the field of battle Maharaj, I saw only you". Guru Gobind Singh said that of all those present in the group Kanhaiya alone had understood the real message of Gurbani. Bhai Kanhaiya was right. The Singhs were wrong. I believe you are wrong about this too bhenji. Be careful not to become so obsessed with protecting 'sikhi' that you forget what you're supposed to be protecting in the first place. Helping somebody is never a waste of anything, it is not only one of the best things we can do for others, but one of the best things we can do for our own Sikhi.
  19. 9 points
    Satbachan. Will get rid of the down vote. I also believe that it is autobot thingy for all these gupt likes. Will check on that.
  20. 9 points
    Amar singh did the forum upgrade and other technical stuff to improve the forum and been doing for past 16years. He is doing gupt sewa for all this time. We are also also thinking of rebuilding the forum and make it as a more social and spiritual place for everyone. I am tweaking few areas and resetting the fake likes and will look to disable anon likes. One major bug is that auto bots are reporting posts to mods/admins in big numbers.
  21. 9 points
    An indian origin guy goes for a job interview. Interviewer : "Can you please write your name in English on this paper?" Interviewer : "Are you sure this is your name" Man : "Of course, I am sure that this is my name" Interviewer "So your name is...PRETTY RED PANTIES"? Man : "Yes sir, you told me to write my name in English, but in Punjabi my name is "SUNDAR LAL CHADHA" !!
  22. 9 points
  23. 9 points
    I didnt hear any of the Singhs of June 84 eating animals, yet they gave the GOI Army their jawab for 10 days. Where was you the meat expert or your meat eating jatha then? Your claiming your maryada of a warrior, then in that case warrior ji, go hunt sirsa wala, pianara baba, gill baba, the head of rss and the hoodrat suleh groomers down?
  24. 9 points
    Well explained!!
  25. 9 points
    Ooo I sense anger. You are nothing but a computer warrior. Nindak? Is telling the truth nindiya? How can you refer to singing gurujis bachan and praising maharaj nindiya? Waheguru waheguru. Chatka is wrong. It is just an excuse for people to eat meat and call it religious. Silly. Yes that was Ajnala. He spoke like that in gurus jis hajoori. And he has apologised for saying it because he knows he is wrong. That story was made up to degrade dhadrianwale. Dont know what people you talk to but you have no hard evidence or even logic going on there. Anybody takes it from whoever they want but the reason is maharaj. Yes they can be influenced. For example someone may be influenced by Taksal therefore go to Mehta to have Amrit. Does not mean they are only taking it because of Sant Jarnail Singh. Cult leader? So baba deep singh is a cult leader? So bhai randhir singh ji are a cult leader? Baba thakur singh a cult leader? Dhadrianwale do not even call the jatha a jathebandi it is simply a parcharak jatha which you would knkw if you listened to any diwan properly or spent some time with them as oppose to spreading koora on the internet! If you think starting parchar and being the main parcharak of that jatha makes it into a cult then you definitely neef to go and eat a dictionary. Then again you also may be biased and a dhumma chela. Who knows. Savage people.
  26. 9 points
    Don't forget the ritual worship of weapons and people carrying various indo Persian weapons without knowing even how to use them properly. We should stop this ritualistic worship of weapons. Real Shastar puja is done by learning to use them.
  27. 9 points
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  29. 9 points
    I don't think you can read properly. No one said to stop reading bani. The post just made the point that an Amritdhari following nitnem rehat without following the whole martial/military philosophy/tradition that is also embedded in puratan rehat and Khalsa lifestyle is living incomplete. Essentially, they are living a sehajdhari lifestyle themselves.
  30. 9 points
    What actual good is going to come of this question? There are 25 million Sikhs across the planet, as compared to the 1 billion+ adherents of Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism, all three of which harbor malicious designs against Gursikhi, and you actually wanna reduce the number of Sikhs even further. 'Sikh' and 'Singh' were never even considered to be the same thing up until very recently. Those arguing otherwise should investigate historical accounts from the era of the Sikh confederacy/empire and base their judgement on these itihaasic facts rather than 20th century prejudices. In particular the distinction between 'Khalsa' and 'Khulasa' Sikhs. Just as Sikhs are being whitewashed out of the history of India, the contributions of Sehajdhari Sikhs are also being whitewashed out of the history of the qaum.
  31. 9 points
    QUESTION! Where are the Sikh girls? I see no Kara let alone dastaar n "Kaur" being mentioned in names.
  32. 8 points
    What we need to work out who is the true Sikh leaders and who are the fake ones who are hand in glove working with the killers of Sikhs. Many times in Sikh history we have betrayers we did not know their agenda we saw them as upstanding Sikh leaders real heros of the panth. They get elected they get put forward but later we find out they were in the pay and control of foreign non-sikh elements. We can identify these fake leaders as DDT's current leader dhumma, most heads of sgpc and sri akal takht since mid 1990s, akali dal's p.s badal and his family, the late sant longowal, nihung santa singh, the late jagjit chauhan,etc. How do you test if they a real Sikh leader? Well if they willing to put their life and liberty on risk and engage in physical confrontations with enemys and/or oppressors of Sikhs. When anti-sikh incidents occur..... so we recongised shaheed sant fateh singh mid 50s, ajk's shaheed bhai fauja singh, shaheed Sant bhindranwale was no congress party slave/puppet he was a true Sikh leader who confronted the govt on abuse of Sikhs and sikhi, we saw bhai mannochal jathedhar of akal takht as a true sikh leader who fought armed battles with the indian armed tyrants, Shaheed bhai sukha and Shaheed bhai jinda, Bhai hawara and bhai rajoana who targeted, avenged and took out successfully the murderers of innocent Sikhs.
  33. 8 points
    And where are you on a scale of 1-10 on following puran maryada of sri guru nanak dev ji? Are you a better gursikh then jagmeet singh? According to gurbani are you beautiful or ugly?
  34. 8 points
    Guys secretly admire girls with open hair. My husband always used to encourage me to leave mine open. Uncut hair is hard to leave open without it blowing everywhere and getting untidy. I finally told him - they cut their hair to get that look. So yes- being amritdhari does mean that you have rid your feelings for a spouse whose looks match the western ideal stamped upon us by advert after advert about what looks best. Why don't people see it as a positive - as in a cut hair girl actually married a sikh boy When they reject pag vale we complain - do wheres the praise now? An apna married an apna and we are still sad. What do we want and who made us judges by the way?
  35. 8 points
    The Sikh pant? You mean this? You might consider learning how to spell before you come on here telling Sikhs that they don't know anything. Yeah, I'm sure you are furious that Sikhs believe that Guru Nanak ji is higher than your beloved Prophet Mohammed. So touchy about being asked which religion, are we? I don't belong to any branch of the RSS or any other anti-Sikh organization for that matter. If you're not a sheep, you must be weasel since you're not willing to identify which of the 72 mazhabs of the Ummah you belong to. I'm not the one who made this statement originally, but I don't really see what the big deal is, either. He said "symbol". You should be able to understand that. It is often said that "ਪਾਪਾਂ ਦੀ ਬੇੜੀ ਭਰ ਕੇ ਡੁੱਬਦੀ ਹੈ" (oh, should I put that into Arabic script so you can read it, akh?). So the execution of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji represented the summit of evil by Aurangzeb, sometime after the decline of his empire began. It's not the 5 ਭਈਏ, you dolt! How dare you insult the Guru's beloved 5 Singhs in that way. In Sikhism, a major emphasis is put on humility. The point is that if God can humble Himself, man can also. This was also to cement the principle of rule by the 5. ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਰਿ ਚੋਜ ਵਿਡਾਣੈ। ਸੋ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੋਈ ਸਿਖ ਹੈ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਣੈ। ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧੩ ਪਉੜੀ ੧ ਪੰ. ੪ (Did they teach you how to read Gurmukhi in your RSS/jihadi training camp?) When, indeed. There is no such book as the "Surah Prakash Granth". Get your head out of the Koran for just a second so you can make a convincing show of being a Sikh. Oh, you mean your jihadi training camp never took you on a field trip to a Gurdwara before letting you loose? If they had, you'd know what it is. ਸੂਰਜ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ is the granth of which ਕਥਾ is done every evening in every large gurdwara in the world.
  36. 8 points
  37. 8 points
    LOL Your actual country (Punjab) was killed and buried in 1947, and you're here celebrating its murderer.
  38. 8 points
    Being part of the inner circles I know which role this guy plays in the jathas. The head baba sees no wisdom in this guy because he is full of anger, has some mental illness, and can't make decisions. He's the guy they use and abuse, by filling him with hot air. Hot headed and always ready to fight with a pack of his boys. He wants to be accepted as one of the guys but they never fully involve him because they are sick and tired of his anger filled reactions to everything. Hunting was done by Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji because Dasam Bani has stated. However no reason for the hunting is given. I will leave nangs and pakhand kirtani jatha to make up their fantasies here. The strength to fight in wars comes from Gurbani. No one can attain this mental strength from hunting. The American soldiers consist of those who hunt for sport. When they go to war they come back as a total mess. Post traumatic stress disorder hits them and they are a total wreck. Nightmares, regrets, reliving haunting seems of their friends limbs blown off and dying in their arms. Its total chaos. Look up ptsd for soldiers and its a horrible state of mind to go through. Look at Sikhs who fought in the Guru's army. They stayed in chardikala because they read their Gurbani and followed it. They knew not to be scared of anything because Guru Sahib is with them. Then in history we have those who gave up. They hunted and skinned animals but they were still running from battle. Gurbani is the strength behind battle and facing battle after it is over. From Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji time to Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji time the lay of the land is totally different from now. Jungles was the main lay out. Villages were spread apart close to natural sources of water. Its not like now where we can turn on the tap and get water for cooking, drinking, and farming. Dangerous animals lived close by so did the grass eaters. There was no fences separating forest to highways or cities. There was no highways or cities as we have today. Because the lay of the land has changed, so has warfare. No army fights with swords and bow and arrows or spears. Close to the time of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji leaving this world guns and cannons were being used. Cannons and guns have completely revolutionized now. A person can take out a whole village by sitting on the other side of the earth. Even ground troops don't have to face the enemy face to face like with a sword fight. If warfare would break out where these nihangs in urban cities live. There would be no goats to chop up. The local coffee shop, grocery stores, corner stores don't have goats hanging around to be gutted. Only thing these local nihangs would be chopping open is a box of crackers. The land lay out of Punjab is similar, farms of vegetables, villages and cities with scattered garbage. Again no goat running around to be chopped up. Just look at the war between the Indian army and Sikhs in the late 80s. It was urban warfare. The army and long with police forces train to shoot at still targers because the speed of the bullet can't be dodged. Many people watch police videos where the suspect with a knife is able to take cover and approach the cop close enough to strike the cop with the knife. This happens because cops are not trained to kill. They use firearms to stop the lethal action. In warfare its about shoot to kill with automatic rifles. Even if a semi auto is used the guy with a knife will be filled with 20 holes in the same scenario with the cop and knife. Close combat, switch to a 9mm. Fill the head with holes and move on to the next enemy. No need to be pulling swords out of guys or bashing their face in with the handle of the sword. The nihangs will never survive a warfare today with their 17th century thinking. No horse stands a chance against high powered rifles and armoured vehicles. Source of food has changed, lay of the land has changed, weapons have changed. Gurbani is the only thing that has not changed. And this is the source of all strength. So why do these nihangs keep going on about chopping goats and we need to be ready for war with swords and arrows? Because their senior members have brainwashed these younger ones. They tell them romanticized story of how they are getting ready for a big war where a warrior would come to lead them. He will have powers and they will wipe out the enemy. This fairytale only comes out because one of the youth wants to defend in the name of truth but this goes against the plan of these senior members. Most likely they calm the youth down by filling him with lies. When he doesn't, then they team up on him and kick him out. These senior members are only about increasing membership becAuse more sheep's mean more money for the top leader. Conflict only makes it difficult to increase membership and money. They have the youth lost in practices that are practically useless now.The same tactic can be applied to the missionaries. But lets stick to the nihangs. No. real war strength is gained by jhatka and neither is it a source of food in these days in reality. Let's face it nihangs will not be leaving India to fight anywhere. They are stuck fighting amongst themselves and chopping goats heads for their tongue.
  39. 8 points
    Oh shut the f*ck up.... if a battle started right now would you know how to hunt or do jhatka?!!.... if you did somehow manage to jhatka a goat without wetting your knickers would you then know how to skin the animal????.... would you know how to gut the animal???.....would you know where to locate the gallbladder & remove it without bursting it... if it bursts it basically poisons the meat & makes it all inedible.... would you then know what to do with all the intestines & gut lining??? Its because of fags like you & your rose tinted romanticised understanding of war & warriorhood why we have no pride or power left as a community. Get it through your thick heads.... the maryada of a Sant & the maryada of a warrior are not the same
  40. 8 points
  41. 8 points
    You are a puppet my friend.
  42. 8 points
  43. 8 points
    I seriously try reading your stuff but as soon as I get a few words into it quickly starts sounding like this:
  44. 8 points
    This is all cyclic. Once any actual fighting has to be done (in the UK at least), they'll quickly lose their arrogance and act like best pals. What is weird though is that indifference between sehajdharis and amritdharis has reached a level I've never witnessed before in the UK. That all being said, I have noticed apnay (keshdharis and amritdharis) going out of their way to acknowledge me in the last few weeks in London. I think many with brains can sense that things might kick off and know they are vastly outnumbered on all sides - so they'd better get all the help they can. Maybe the majority of the snide, resenting type of amritdhari reside on the internet forums as angry trolls, whilst the rest either don't give a crap about this issue or have more realistic conceptualisations of the wider community? A keshdhari boy from a not so strict family once told me that these people resent others because they feel imprisoned themselves and resent the perceived 'freedom' or laxity they think others have. If people are feeling that way about following their faith - it's sad.
  45. 8 points
    Listening on the radio and one of the worshipper was shocked because he could not believe such a thing can happen in the 21st century and during Ramadan. The cheek of the guy. Bet the Ummah was counting on the kafir to do nothing. Bet it is a shock to their system. They will keep their heads low for a while.
  46. 8 points
    Approx 250 Sikh dharam fauji's who vowed to fight to the death with their sikh brothers in arms with just their turbans and clothes for armour and lightly armed defending the darbar sahib golden temple vs 100,000 enemy brahminwad neo-mughul Indian troops with sophisticated weaponry, Kevlar bullet and blast proof armour and commando trained Elite soldiers. Our kaum's brave lions may have all lost their lives defending our Guru's home but they gave the enemy one hell of a beating. And thus their Indian terrorist operation blue star, their destruction of thousands of Sikh life and Sri Akal Takht laid the foundation stone and for the fight for Khalistan.
  47. 8 points
    For me, there is no more complex a figure in Sikh history, no greater a paradox, no other man that evokes a more diverse range of opinions emotions and feelings within the Kaum, than Maharaja Ranjit Singh. If the Kaum were to properly consider, and with balance, assess the life, successes and failures of this remarkable man, I have no doubt that this would provide great lessons that would help us manage the future. Maharaja Ranjit Singh, for the first time in history, so successfully defended Panjab from foreign invasion that he was able to take the fight against the islamic onslaught into the very regions from which the jihadis emerged. He countered and comprehensively defeated the jihadis of his time, people with the same ideology as modern day islamists, those who can reasonably be said to be the antecedents of the present day ISIS and taliban. This was no mean feat. While assessing his achievements one has to bear in mind that the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Khalsa Raj belonged to the same mindset as the Panth's enemies. Yet, he actually managed to earn their respect, admiration and loyalty, even after he defeated them, to such an extent that they welcomed him. Whether this was the result of his sense of tolerance, his political expediency, or his weakness in excessively pandering to the islamic population to the detriment of the entire region, is not definite. I suspect the answer lies somewhat in degrees of all three. Now, having said all that, it would be a matter of pure dishonesty if one did not provide balance and address the fact that in so doing, he committed the very serious transgressions against Guru Ji's hukams that would eventually consign Khalsa Raj to history. What troubles me the most about the way he went about this is that Khalsa Raj did not belong to Maharaja Ranjit Singh, nor was it his creation, nor was it for him to throw away. In this respect, the speech delivered by General Hari Singh Ji Nalwa, the greatest and most successful General of his time, in response to Maharaja Ranjit Singh's announcement that his son would succeed him, is particularly poignant and relevant. When assessing the life and achievements of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, we must never overlook the fact that Sadde das lakh Sikh fought and died in multiple genocides in order to achieve Khalsa Raj. Khalsa Raj was built on the foundation of these shaheedis of huge numbers of Sikhs over several generations for the cause of Sikhi and out of love for Guru Maharaj. It did not belong to a single family alone. But by choosing to pass on his reign to his son, Maharaja Ranjit Singh consigned the Kaum to a fate that we are still reeling from 170 years later. This nepotism was acted out in an almost nonchalantly shameless and neglectful manner. General Hari Singh Ji Nalwa was entirely correct when he said that Kharak Singh, whilst being his friend and brother, was unsuitable and incapable of shouldering the responsibility of running Khalsa Raj. Yet this advice, which merely repeated what was by then already apparent among sincere Sikhs who cared about the future of the Kaum, had little to no effect on a man that started off his life as a Gursikh in the true sense of the term, and ended it as something quite different, as a creature that sought to ape the myopic rajputs of old. Furthermore, by appointing non-Sikhs and worse still even non-Panjabis to the government, he committed the fatal mistake that made the collapse of Khalsa Raj inevitable. These outsiders had no stake whatsoever in the continuing future as a going concern of Panjab. Even a fool with no respect for Guru Ji's hukams should have been able to see what was forthcoming. Yet, the Maharaja apparently didn't. The result of his non-adherence is plain for all to see. Panjab, the sohni di chirri of our ancestors only a few lifetimes ago, was reduced to dust. The parasitic non-Sikh traitors that Maharaja Ranjit Singh passed control to leached off the Kaum in the same way that the jews profiteered off post-great war Germany. However, the Germans at least identified, opposed and later avenged this treason. We never have, and, due to deliberately planted defects in the transmission of our values to future generations, designed to protect our oppressors, we quite possibly never will. Nobody put a gun to his head and forced Maharaja Ranjit Singh to ignore, neglect, and dismiss Sikhi rehat in the brazen way he did. He did so purely of his own will. And yet, for all of that, I still possess an outstanding admiration for the man, who was at one point, one of the greatest Sikh leaders in history. He is one of the greatest paradoxes I have known. Maharaja Ranjit Singh is for me simultaneously a source of great inspiration and pride, and an object of revile and disgust. Whatever you think about Maharaja Ranjit Singh, and there is much to think about, we could do a lot worse than learn from both the positive and negative aspects of his example, of how to obtain sovereignty, and how to subsequently lose it. In conclusion, when faced with the sobering fact that we have yet to recover our stolen land, there are few better examples to look to in this respect than our own. I have faith that Guru Maharaj has greater things planned for the Kaum than we know at present. And I believe that we were given Maharaja Ranjit Singh to learn from his successes and failures for a reason.
  48. 8 points
    Yet he achieved - admittedly temporal - feats that no other Sikh has managed since those times. If we believe the strength of a people and its nation are recognisable in its successes on the non-spiritual plane, he's one of the greatest Sikhs of all time from a certain point of view. Those worldly victories may count for very little in the kingdom of God, but unfortunately the kingdom of Man is where we all reside whilst we breathe, and on that front Ranjit Singh made his mark not only for himself but for the benefit of our people. That counts for something.
  49. 8 points
    I can guarantee that a devious UK based Muslim is either responsible for that Twitter account, or had the bright idea for that particular tweet, and passed along the idea to the person who eventually posted it. Or it was made by a whitey who's been around Pakistani comrades. I told you this is what will happen if they're allowed to infiltrate positions of notable power.
  50. 8 points
    I might have been wrong about her husband being Amritdhari. But she still represents the best chance Sikhs might have for even just one lone isolated voice at Westminster. Jagsaw would you rather see a Pakistani MP in Edgbaston or a Sikh one?
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