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Canadian sikhs are used as an example to follow for other immigrants because we keep our traditions and values and still are able to intergrate well into canadian society

@ MisterrSingh Veer Ji i think u were talking about Jagmeet Singh. He's an MPP. Navdeep Bains lost in Browntown last time and Tim Uppal is a Conservative MP so he won't do too much for Sikhs. What's needed is that Jagmeet Singh becomes an MP for the NDP rather than just an MPP.

A lot of Sikhs have a rep for extremists due to the careless allegations of a man called Ujjal dosanjh, he slandered his own community and became the go to man for the media regarding anything related to Khalistan. Also Canadian Sikhs and BC Sikhs in particular were doing the most seva for the cause outside India from protests to the India consulate building in Vancouver which resulted in a mini riot and the burning of the Indian flag. As for the gang problem this is almost exclusively an issue in the bc area. The reason for this is because BC was and still is the first go to province for many punjabis immigrating in Canada and since the mass immigration since the 80s the population exploded however despite what many ppl like to think the white Canadians weren't very welcoming in those days. I have family friends in BC and they would tell me how drunk white guys would drag apne out their cars and beat them and also attack babey at parks. This type of environment forced Sikhs to stay united the fall out to drugs can be attributed a lot to Bindy Johal. Bindy wasn't the first Punjabi dealer there but he was the first to start his own thing he didn't take orders from any of the white gangs he called his own shots. A lot of kids look up bindy and the others after him who also mostly happen to be cousins and end up wanting to get the fast money and what not mix this in with the macho Punjabi culture, segregated demographics your end result is the problem facing Surrey

French eh? You no good seperatist. I'd head on over to timmis myself, but my damn polar bear ran away. Yeah that is precisely why lol. He is probably one of the best young Canadian role models, I'd say. In the past few years he's gotten himself quite a following.

Balkaar Ji, Ajit Poohla the nang was no Amritdhari (but a patit by virtue of his actions). A human being can only be considered a true Amritdhari by virtue of righteous actions towards Sarbat da Bhala. The concept (stated by Preeet) that anybody who claims to be Amritdhari is a bhagat is utterly ridiculous. As Guru Sahib repeatedly warn us to assess a human being on the basis of their actions towards Sarbat da Bhala (rather than simply their spoken words or their external appearance).

Maharaj ???

Pakandi baba, on 01 Jul 2015 - 12:55, said: Yep, you found me out. I'm not actually Balkaar Singh, my real name is Balkaar Raam, I'm an undercover RSS Chela trying to subvert your Sikh panth from the inside. Grow up. Not everybody with a divergent point of view is peddling some hidden agenda. I'l happily refrain from addressing your posts.

Not true lol. Born and raised in Canada makes me Canadian, ethnicity is Punjabi. Leaves no room for anything "indian."

Your argument that people are born into a certain race or caste due to karma is false and against Gurmat and Sikhi. Given that there is an obvious correlation between the darker one's skin and the greater that person's level of suffering worldwide on a per capita basis, you are effectively arguing that racism is justified (as a supposed result of it's karmic justification) and this same lie is used in Manu Smriti to oppress dalits. Sikhi is the only force that can liberate the dalits and other oppressed people of India and the Sikh Panth does have a responsibility to free not only itself but also others throughout India (and globally) from unjust rule (in the fullness of time as our demographic numbers will allow). Karma in Sanskrit refers to the actions of "this" life as opposed to supposed previous lives as you infer. Where did the first generations of humans get their karma from? How will the final generation of humans live out their accrued karma when our Sun disintegrates (or sooner)?

I'm not even sure where to start picking this post apart. First of all, Indian is a nationality, its like saying all Americans or Canadians have the same DNA, its impossible. India as nation began to exist in 1947, prior to that it was the British Raj, prior to that well you have Maratha Empire, Mughals Empire, Sikh Empire, can you show me on an old map where the "Indian Empire" is? Obviously the land we now call India existed, but not the Republic of India. Yes, Sikhs born in India, raised in India are Indian by nationality, but not all 30 million of us are born and raised there. Oh, and I'd love for you to show me scientific research showing all 1.2 billions Indians have the same DNA/genetics. Those Sikhs also made mistakes sacrificing their lives for India, Udham Singhs kin live in utter poverty no? Baghat Singh had 2 of his kin killed by Indian forces during the 80's, look how they repay Sikhs. Indian hero, Jagit Singh Aurora, was not even honored upon his passing, the Congress/Hindu mobs in Delhi, even tried to kill him. I'd be filled with joy if India collapses, barring Punjab of course.

Baba farid was a k@njar. According to muslims at that time, after n present. He sang songs about god, with music, which is considered work of the kuffar (non-believers). He, like kabir, both born in muslim households, yet rejected practically everything muslims r supposed to believe. Rejection of 7 heavens/hells, god bein in 1 direction (mecca), hajj, fasting, halal slaughter, circumcision etc. Baba farid, wasnt even allowed into mosques, and denied a muslim burial too. He was about as muslim as benito mussolini. Baba bulleh shah, anotha man, who used music/dance/singin to praise god, was also called a k@njar, and considered a kuffar. Nusrat fateh ali khan - 'Je tu rabb nu manona' "nach nach ke, yaar manaalaiy ye, paave lok, aakun pehri ka@njari eh"...convince ur lover via dance, even if ppl call u a worthless prostitute. "nach nach ke yaar manalaiya, paave k@njari bann na peh jaaveh"...convince ur lover, even if u have to become a prostitute. "Paave k@njari, je bulleh vangu, ghunghru tu paah"...even if like bulleh shah, u have to wear ankle bracelets, like a prostitute. Theres a reason y sikhs n sufis have, n had a great relationship, as we both agree on singin gods name, with music. So much so, that, pre-partition it was marasi/sufis that did kirtan in our gurdwaras, without any hesitancy.

In that case America isn't needed. Write to their ambassador and tell them their desire for self-determination was a mistake and just a big misunderstanding as they were a bit unsure as to what was actually needed and what was not. Tell them they need to go back to being ruled by Britain. And so obviously India isn't needed either. Write to Modi. Tell him the Indian desire for self-determination was a mistake and just a big misunderstanding as they a bit unsure as to what was needed and what was not. Tell him India needs to go back to being ruled by a foreign colonial power. You're not gonna do any of that though are you ? No. Because your line of thinking is that only India and Indians need and deserve self-determination. Every other group are low down scum who are thoroughly undeserving of this basic human right. So, I'm a bit confused as to how you define the word 'need' and 'needed' as you used them widely in your argument. Why is it that the people you support 'needed' it but the people who you disagree with should stop asking for it because they don't 'need' it ? You have this viewpoint because you allign the word need with India's wants. That is one of the reasons Sikhs want to and will break away from you Indians. As you've demonstrated, Indians have no respect for basic human rights, desires and needs of anyone but themselves (Indians). That, among so many other things, makes Indians inherently backward, uncivilised, barbarians. So the real question is why on earth would Punjabis (who don't belong with India in the first place) want to be assocated with such neanderthals ?

An adopted child can also adopt the religion of his new parents, Sikhism is a universal universal religion afterall, confining it to only being dharmic is somewhat odd. Obviously I'm not saying that. You're being a tad narrow minded here like It says in the lavan the whole point is to find a companion who can also join your journey to god, sure this can be done alone, but Guru sahib put an emphasis on finding god within the confines of your own home/community, Marriage is an integral part of that . Reproduction is utterly meaningless, your child could easily be swayed by bad sangat to abandon Sikhi. As for your second point, giving an orphaned child a home is an extremely noble thing to do. If you think it's horrible and atrocious then good for you, but giving a small child who has no one a home and then raising them as your own. That there is one heck of a good deed. Waheguru's light is alive in them too. Again if you read the Lavan they tell you otherwise. You don't need to have a child, that's not your goal in life. You're goal in life is to join Akal Purkh Waheguru ji. The purpose of marriage IS finding someone who has the same mission and can also join you in this quest. This is a concept accepted almost universally in our faith (at-least all the Sikhi sites are saying this). Tricky question to be fair. I'm entirely not sure if I am or not. I pray Waheguru will guide me to the truth. The reason im bothering to respond to things like this is purely because when it comes to homosexuality Punjabi (and indian people in general) are very ignorant of it at times. NOt all mind you, but a vast number. They enter a frenzy of hate and pure anger that would make even Lions flee. In most cases they treat it like a disease, a curse, the person involved is evil and almost hinting in extreme cases should die. I find it sad, even comical at times as most of them have probably never met a gay person before. You've clearly not met a gay person here haha. A gay person isn't filled with lust. That's a stupid myth. They desire men (or in the case of lesbians woman) the same way a heterosexual would desire the opposite sex. By saying their trying to take advantage of Kaam and moh while being "dharmic" you need to accept the same is true for heterosexual people. Or are Heterosexual people just filled with such love and devotion that they could never look at a man/woman in such a way :laugh2:

You are the one who is writing BS. If you don't like the content of this thread then don't contribute to it. The existence of people like you in the Panth who can't handle the fact Sikhs along with the rest of society are waking up to the danger of Islam is depressing.

Who deemed it un-natural and lustful lol. It's about as lustful as heterosexuality and just as "un-natural" . That should be your answer lol. If Guru-sahib choose not to address it, it means it's not even worth thinking about as it doesn't affect us morally. You'll get a-lot of conflicting views from Sikhs here and in the community. The main problem is that most sikhs are Punjabi/Indian first then Sikhs lol, since India considers it evil you'll hear the same views from many people. Sexuality is hardly an issue for us as GurSikhs, Gays are persecuted world wide, their outcasts of society and treated like a disease, Showing them sympathy would be almost as insulting as giving them insults. They want to be treated like equals, they want the same opportunities everyone else has. We should stand up to them in that respect.

Some people enjoy my time, what about you? Who enjoys your time?

Sadly, this thread didn't go the way the original poster intended. Let me rescue it by making it Canadian again: So...how aboot them oilers eh? Anyway, enough aboot them, I'm going to Timmies to spend my last loonies on a box of timbits and a large french vanilla. What aboot you?

Absolutely, he must be ruffling some feathers if the Indians are being petty with visas. Probably because he's speaking against Indian abuses? That's brilliant he's using his position to highlight Sikh issues. Plus, he's a good role model for any young Sikhs who assume Sikhi saroop is a hindrance to getting ahead in life.

Lol Nope, no I did not, but I've never before had to reckon with a force like Preeet

Bet you never thought you'd have to type the above sentence in your life, ever! On topic though, the accomplished young Canadian Gursikh gentleman who made headlines a while back for being voted into Parliament, who was that fellow? He seems like a good sort. Wish there individuals such as him in UK politics.

Yeah DTF! You have no right to criticize a paedophile or a murderer unless you first take them out for lunch, have a nice chat and get to know them a little better. (*Sarcasm*) It is also a nonsensical idea that we who degrade people like murderers become their equals by doing so. I simply am better than a child rapist, I think I can claim this much for myself without being unduly accused of hubris.

Preeet, patits can freely be degraded. True Amritdhari's are never degraded but only respected. A person who ceases to be Amritdhari because of immoral actions (a "patit") can be condemned for evil actions. I agree that we should not accord the label of Amritdhari to those who are terrorists targetting the innocent or rapists.

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KKBK Ji, truly good Amritdhari Gursikhs never hesitate to condemn terrorism against innocents. The fundamental guiding ethos of the Khalsa Panth is Sarbat da Bhala. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77072-air-india-flight-182-bombing/

Balkaar Bhai Sahib Ji the motive was not just to incriminate Sikhs in a false flag operation. But furthermore to provide cover (in public relations terms) for the Genocide of Sikhs that Congress were engaged in.

The bombing was done by RAW for the Indian Government. It was only falsely claimed by non-Sikh (outwardly kesdhari) agents working for the GOI in order to malign Sikhs. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77072-air-india-flight-182-bombing/

Muslims also respect force and determination. After 9/11 most Muslims believed that the attack would be seen as so terrible that this would be the end of the hospitality enjoyed by Muslims in the west. In their eyes, if such an attack had taken place in an Muslim country (say in Egypt by Coptic Christians) then Muslims would have massacred all the Copts in Egypt. So they also expected the west to take action against them but then when all the western leaders could do was turn up at the Mosque and give press conferences that Islam is a religion of peace, the Muslims perceived this as weakness and woe betide any country under attack from Muslims which shows weakness. Look at Myanmar, they have forced the Rohingya Muslims out after they raped Buddhist women and yet you don't see western Muslims rushing to their aid. Same for the Palestinians, because Israel takes no nonsense from them although Muslims in the west will support the Palestinians very few would go and fight Israel on their behalf. As Muslims believe themselves that force is right so when force is used against them, they will respect that as they will respect societies that use violence against Muslims in order to protect themselves. Coming to the western societies, because of their treatment of their Muslims with kid gloves, Muslims see this as a weakness and hence the west as weak and ripe for a Muslim takeover. Ironically there were no attacks on the US mainland when George Bush was president but when Obama came in and was seen as weak after his apology tour of the middle east the terrorist attacks in the USA have increased.

Well you know why don't you Johnny Paji? For the economic revenue that brings the Pakistani's from naive Sikhs. Instead of wasting money on pilgrimages (as opposed by Gurbani and Guru Sahib) we should instead use the money wasted on these pilgrimages to Pakistan and Hindutva hotbeds like snow-covered Uttarakhand to first focus on bigger issues like attacking the alcohol, drugs, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer, poverty and conversion problems afflicting east Punjab in Majha, Malwa and Doaba. When Khalsa Raj is over Sri Nankana Sahib in the future ... khule darshan ohda vi ho sakde ne Bhai Sahib.

D = There was no retaliation from Sikhs. The Muslims carried out a campaign of systematic Genocide against Sikhs. 20% of the Sikh population was killed by the Muslims in Pakistan. So imagine 1.5 billion people being killed tomorrow and that's the extent of the suffering that Sikhs endured in 1947 at the hands of Pakistani Punjabi Muslims. In West Punjab the percentage population of Sikhs did not have a critical mass to allow Sikhs to defend themselves. However, in the districts of Majha, Doaba and Malwa fortunately the Sikhs comprised at least 30% of the population of those districts (that currently comprise Punjab). Now when the Muslims tried to ethnically cleanse Sikhs out of Majha, Malwa and Doaba they simply met their match because our population numbers in those districts were broadly comparable to the Muslims. Sikhs fought for their lives because the so-called high caste Muslim communities (Muslim Jatts, Muslim Rajputs etc) were intent on annexing Amritsar, Jalandhar, Ludhiana etc into Pakistan via the 1947 Genocide of Sikhs. D = Nonsense Jagsaw. I find it amazing that you are repeating fictitious claims by Pakistani polemicists. I think what you need to grasp is that if Sikhs did not stand their ground (where our numbers permitted) in the districts of Majha, Malwa and Doaba then east Punjab as we know it today would have been in Pakistan with millions of innocent Sikhs consequently killed by genocidal Punjabi Muslims. D = This an academic lie perpetrated against Sikhs. The actual reality is that Punjabi Muslims were intent upon the annexation of present day east Punjab into Pakistan via the ethnic cleansing and massacre of innocent Sikhs. This is clearly seen by what the Muslims started in Amritsar and elsewhere in order to include Amritsar (and present day east Punjab) into Pakistan. What the Muslims failed to realise was that Sikhs will never surrender or retreat where we have equal numbers or ammunition supply to the enemy. If Sikhs had not bravely defended Sikh Panth from the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947, most members of this website would not be alive to see today. As the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs was over 20 times worse in per capita terms than what the wretched Nehru-Gandhi Empire managed to inflict.

Im confused about how i should feel with the current events surroinding the LGBT community as a sikh. I accept that you cant be gay and be sikh or you can but you have to remain celbate for life, there is no mention of beging gay in gurbani and it is deemed un natural and lustful and part of kaljug and kaam, but does this mean we should be against it? surely sikhi would be against discrimination and inequality, and me being someone who has experienced discrimination bc of being sikh and a minority like many of us probably have its hard to be against it as we feel emepthetic, but, does this mean therefore that we should support it ? im really confused on the opinion i should have tbh lol, and p.s i'm not gay aha, it just something that people have asked me about and what the sikh opinion on it is and i cant really give a difinitive answer on it because i dont know enough, my opinion right now is leaning on the side that we should be nuetral and hence support it as everyone should be free to pursue their happiness and choose their life freely but at the same time understand that a sikh has responsibilities to live in the footsteps of our gurus. and if you are sikh you cannot do things that may be accepted by the rest of the world as 'okay' and normal, like smoking or drinking thats only my take on it tho, i look forward to reading others views and making a solid opinion fromt that and gurbani.

No, the natives won because they died with a good heart. Your idea of conquering is barbaric, do you think Vaheguru would approve of killing and destroying innocent lives in the process of "conquering" a land. And what’s worse is that your compassionate response to the natives is ‘too bad for them’? Is that how a sikh would respond? Or is this okay to you because you are cowardly insulting them behind their back? I’m sure if this was about your own people being massacred, you would be more sympathetic and understanding.

Waheguru Ji ka khalsa waheguru Ji ki fateh. No need for pesh.

What is 'Indian DNA' ? As a Punjabi, there is as much persian, scythian or greek dna in me as there is from hindustan. Does that mean the Iranians and Greece also have justification to occupy Punjab ? Of course India has always existed. I'm perfectly happy that you take joy in acknowledging that fact. But how come you wish to discard from your mind the fact that the Punjab also existed as a totally seperate entity to India ? The ones ethnically from India...i.e bihar, bombay etc are indeed Indian, for they are from India. The ones from Punjab however are from Punjab. Punjab was always part of Persia whilst everything to the south of it was part of India. It was your enemies the mughals that made it part of India. How come you hate everything else about the Mughals but love that part of what they did ? We were then again not part of India as we were our own totally seperate independent nation. We now again find ourselves part of India simply because the blatant false promises the Indians made to us at the all india congress in calcutta 1946 where they begged us to join India. The ones from the NWFP tribal mountains are ethnically pathan. The white ones from california are ethnically caucasion. The black ones in oregon are ethnically black. A man can spend a lifetime drumming it into a Dutchman that he is Swiss. But if you say it long enough it still won't make it so. We, as Punjabis, have never been Indian and never will be. The fact that we now exist as Indians because of pathetic lies and false promises made to us by the Indians says more about the low character of Indians than anything else. You Indians would be very foolish indeed if you think a status quo -or a thing- with such an unethical and immoral foundation will stand the test of time. It can't...and it will crumble.

And the fact that you cannot leave with out be totally cast out of your family and community. It's like the mafia, once you join there is no going back. https://barnabasfund.org/news/British-convert-from-Islam-endures-decades-of-persecution-by-local-Muslim-community

I think you mean 'Sri Preet Maharani Ji', brother. Then again, anything is possible in that universe.

Sri Preet Maharaj Ji is from a dimension above ours where mere mortals such as you and i are not permitted to enter.

Indian DNA? Preeet, how do you manage to access this forum from the alternate dimension where you live, in which a Punjabi belongs to the same race as a bloke from Tamil Nadu? Please reply, your answer could be very beneficial to the scientists of my own universe.

Kira Ji, Pakistan's political elite would secretly be delighted if Khalistan came into being. However, in real terms, they realise an individual Indian state becoming independent would make the independence movements for Baluchistan, Pakhtunwa and Sindh unstoppable (without the enemy of India to hold Pakistan together). Hence, why Pakistan actively co-operates with Delhi to flood east Punjab with drugs in order to financially profit from the human misery of million of Sikhs. Pakistan actively assisted Delhi against Sikhs in the 1980's as we all now know. Note how Pakistan does not do the same in Kashmir and strictly enforces a drugs export ban to (Indian) Kashmir.

An independent nation in the areas of Majha and Malwa (called Khalistan or Punjab) can certainly be viable (though I do not advocate that we should prioritise it as an issue given more immediate problems and dangers facing the Sikh Panth that we need to urgently address first). A rather big impediment to such a nation state existing any time soon is that Sikhs are currently on course to be less than 50% of the east Punjab population by the time of 2021 census. Doaba as we all know (and where many of us have links to) is already an area where Sikhs are in a minority and where a referendum would currently result in a rejection of Khalistan for the Doaba area itself. Non-Sikhs comprising Hindu's, Muslims, Christians, Jains and Buddhists are currently unanimously against the concept of Khalistan. Sikhs falling into the GOI's false classification of so-called scheduled and backward castes and dera followers are also overwhelmingly unsupportive of Khalistan. So-called Jat Sikhs who nowadays only comprise 25% of the east Punjab population (and now also included in the backward castes category) are also pretty equally divided between Badal Dal and Congress camps currently, neither of which advocate Khalistan. Urban Sikhs have always been against Khalistan for business reasons. Thus in all demographic segments a minority support Khalistan. The level of support in east Punjab for the political parties that democratically seek for a peaceful transition to Khalistan was less than even 1% in the recent 2014 elections (garnering only 1% of Sikh votes in Punjab itself). So long as both Pakistan and India remain as undivided centralised nation states the prospects for Khalistan coming into being are very slim, as the major powers favour a united India as a counterweight to China and China itself cares little for the Sikhs (given it's own illegal annexation of Tibet) so long as it can sell its goods to a 1.3 billion population market. Even Pakistan is happily co-operating with India against Sikhs realising that independence movements inside Pakistan such as in Baluchistan, Pakhtunwa and Sindh would only grow unstoppably stronger as a result. Therefore, if we are serious about Khalsa Raj actually being a global phenomenon (or at least capable of turning all of present day India into Khalsa Raj) we need to prioritise bigger immediate issues currently afflicting the Panth in the form of drugs, alcohol, infanticide, caste apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. As the concept of Khalistan in Majha and Malwa is de facto acting as a distraction from allowing us to start addressing bigger, more immediate problems. Until 99% of Sikhs do not refrain from drugs and acohol the prospects for Khalistan are slim due to the Pakistani and Indian drugs flooding Punjab. Instead of chanting slogans for Khalistan we need to actively and physically choke the smuggling of drugs into Punjab from Pakistan and the subsequent sale of those drugs by local dealers. Allowing drug sales to be conducted unchecked should be seen as one of the biggest beadbi's of what Guru Sahib teach us. (We should also realise that saroops being burnt - when our Guru as Shabad Bani is indestructible - is simply a ploy of our enemies to distract our efforts from addressing the bigger issues of drugs, alcohol, female infanticide, caste apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty). Until caste divisions are addressed and matrimonial apartheid within the Qaum are stamped out, there is no real prospect for Khalistan any time soon. A people that don't even pray together in united Gurdwara's pose zero threat to the enemies of Sikhs. Only when each pind and locality has a single united Sangat Gurdwara and matrimonial apartheid is uprooted from our mindset can Khalsa Raj (whether in Majha and Malwa only ... or across all of India as an enlarged version of Khalistan ... or globally) ever begin to be envisioned. Female infanticide results in our demographic oblivion. If we don't realise the importance of Sikh numbers being as large as possible (and accepting all those who have ever been to a Gurdwara as fellow Sikhs) we should at least realise that most minority populations have been unsuccessful at attempts to gain independence if they lack even local area's of predominance in poulation terms. Thus, if we are less than 50% of the east Punjab population by the time of 2021 census via the wholesale removal of all erstwhile Mazhabi and Ravidassia Sikhs from the Panth and their re-classification into Balmiki Mandir and Dera Ballan stooges by our enemies (aided and abetted by our inaction and indifference) then we only have our own ignorance and betrayal of Gurmat and Sikhi (in relation to the abolition of caste apartheid) to blame. Only when literacy rates within the Panth rise close to 100% will we have a populace that is academically able to distinguish what is in it's best democratic interests (as opposed to believing in media lies which malign the Sikh ethos of Sarbat da Bhala - the welfare of all). Poverty and cancer are social issues that we from the Diaspora need to change ourselves by greater investment in Punjab to allow jobs growth and increase healthcare provision as we can hardly expect the poor, the weak and the illiterate to meaningfully campaign for democratic change in their own interests given their daily struggles to survive in the face of a Delhi regime which is backed and supported by America, Russia, the UK, France, Canada etc who are all more focussed on trade deals with a 1.3 billion population country (rather than a 1.8% minority within India which is on course to fall below 50% of the Punjab population by 2021 if we ignore the more immediate problems facing us).

Not saying that bro. At time yes it was needed. And it's done. I'm talking about now. Need to be tactical now. Sometimes education can be the biggest way. What we need now is a different way of thinking. A lion only gets up when things are really bad. Let's everyone deal with it first. That's what I see right now. Nihangs right now have no power. They are surviving.

The reason i find midlands Sikhs interesting is because if you look at demographics you'll notice the same trend happening. Sikhs areas changing ect. Like I said before I live in a part of town which is not the Punjabi hub, however this wasn't always the case but most Punjabis and moved on to better areas. For those of us stuck here it hasn't been all that good due to problems with middle easterners Somalis ect this ppl are new comers and don'to have to go through what previous gen of immigrants had to go through cos the gov basically gives the. Bunch of cash and what not. They think they run the place and are often hostile to anyone who isn't their kind. They mess around with Sikhs a lot. Another incident that happened couple years ago at the nagar Kirtan was a bunch of ppl mostly Pakistanis came high and drunk and started causing trouble they punched a kid in the head but they were dealt with police had to get involved. Funny thing is that the same ppl causing problems in UK (Kashmiris) are starting to do things here aswell they even copy ukers by naming there Crew the Lynx gang

The only two I can think of that were killed with bats happened about 10 years ago, both incidents within a week, same location, same two kids doing it. Strawberry hill just a neighborhood in Newton, you can consider newton to be like SE/NE etc as you guys have in Calgary. But most of these attacks happened in Sikh neighborhoods, usually when white kids find a lone elderly. Maybe some minor revenge, but no one goes out and kills a white elderly. For the last one, apparently the grandsons were trying to find the suspects for some vigilante justice. Cops got to them first. I hear white people on the Island are still quite hostile and racist. In the Vancouver area everyone gets along for the most part. Why do you think Midland Sikhs are more interesting?

British Columbia is the birthplace of Babbar Khalsa International

These so-called moderates are in fact more dangerous than the so-called extremists. The moderates lull the rest of society into thinking that the extremists are just nutcases and most Muslims are just like most other people wanting to get on in life. Meanwhile the moderates actively pursue an agenda of subverting western society into an islamic one. These moderates are no averse to lying in order to present Islam in a good light. Just listen to their calls into radio stations and TV shows, just a few days ago one so-called moderate Muslim women blatantly lied on the Wright Stuff asking Matthew Wright if he knew what the word Islam meant, when he asked her to tell him she lied and said that the 'word Islam means peace'! It means submission btw but that would not have served her purpose which was to lull the tv audience. The difference between moderates and extremists is that the moderates are willing to bide their time and subvert the society whereas the extremists are impatient.

I think you are looking at this from a western perspective. Western society has mostly abandoned religion ie Christianity and anyone who claims to be a Christian is seen as some kind freak. What matters is not belief in God but getting by in society, owning a home, a good job and retiring well possibly in a warm climate, With the secularisation of western society western people have forgotten just how important religion is for non-western people. For Muslims more so, especially as the core belief is that Islam is a religion that trumps all other religions and that Allah has made Muslims the best of people and non-Muslims are basically animals. Now put yourself in their shoes. The family in the picture believes that they are the people chosen by Allah to rule the world and YET everywhere Islam has failed. Muslim states are mostly corrupt basket cases which are one strong leader's death away from anarchy. For this family, the secular west which in their eyes in the lowest form of society and one which is an abomination to Allah is succeeding (healthcare, welfare, peaceful etc) whereas Islamic societies are a failure. So how do they rationalise this. Either they can use their common sense and admit that Islam and its ideas of society are redundant or they can go to the extreme and believe that the failure of Muslim society is not because of their adherence to Islam but because they are not adhering to Islam. So its not a case of less Islam but more Islam and hence the reason that most Muslims opt for the purer form of Islam which is Salafism and not the airy fairy Sufism which has no basis in Islam. So for this family the benefits of living in a western society will never make up for living in a pure Islamic society where Muslims are on top and non-Muslims are oppressed. That society is what they yearn for and at the moment the only place where such a society has been set up is in the aptly named Islamic state. You would think that all the media reporting of rape of Yazidi girls, homosexuals thrown from roofs and beheadings would put them off IS but then we need to understand that this is EXACTLY the type of society they yearn for. Migration called Hijrat also has an important role as Sharia rules that if a Muslim feels that he lives in society where he is not able to practise his Islam and he cannot actively change that society then it is incumbent on him to move to a Muslim area where he will be allowed to practice Islam peacefully. Although in most peoples eyes Muslims have it easy in the UK yet for these Muslims because society is not ruled by Sharia law then it is still deficient. So either this family stays in the UK and attempts to subvert the society and change it into an Islamic one which is not so easy or they move to the ideal Islamic society which is what they have done.

Ignore this poster. Hes been dropped on his head one too many times by his mother.

Good God, the ******* ego this guy has ridiculous! Perfect definition of a "holier than thou" person.