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I am going share an experience. Today i was listening to chopai sahib very carefully, at the verse before the verses in which date, place is mentioned in the end...i got a very strong shiver in me. I felt all my hairs of body were so much in energy. I felt extreme energy in me (without any reason). I was dumb struck.i got water in my eyes.i can still feel a shivering not of fear but of something xtra ordinary.it was brilliant & still is. The only word from my mouth in shaken voice came out after getting normal was - " waheguru,waheguru,dhan dhan guru gobind singh sahib " every inch of it is true. It was just about half an hour ago. No words for the feeling which i am still feeling.that thing was extreme.i never share things so easily on net but this time i am.the feeling cant be described.no joking.plz forgive this lowly person for any wrong thing. I swear to god, i felt it...i seriously felt it. Oh! Waheguru ji! Bhul chuk muaf! Sri akal sahai!

Singh 1-7 I dont really understand what you mean, but names I have mentioned are credible beings, with experience etc..why? Because they have followed marayada of seva etc..nihang samprada you have to do a lot of seva before even wearing bana(though it is different now), in nirmala samprada you have to do at least 12 years bhram khoj before being a kathavachak..in taksal you have to read and contemplate on 9 granths(maybe more) before even starting on guru granth sahib ji..this is the standard of representing the highest of bhram vidiya...thats khalsa.... again my point being nowadays people start doing katha etc with no kamai, this leads to many disapointed cheleh... yes defo star striker..khalsa raj is to come...

After listening to the recording you can see this is similar to gaini thakur singh case. Everybody wants it to be a smear campaign but deep down you know its not becauseof the evidence. The recording are graphic enough to get a conviction if the police are involved. He admits wrong doing countless times. The most convincing part was when Harinder Singh says close to the end.....what's wrong with your phone. This takes all doubts of anyone fabricating this call. The phone call losing volume and sounding fabricated is the phone being put on speaker phone and losing a strong signal at times. Listen to the recording as a neutral party and its evident Harinder Singh messed up big time.

I am going share an experience. Today i was listening to chopai sahib very carefully, at the verse before the verses in which date, place is mentioned in the end...i got a very strong shiver in me. I felt all my hairs of body were so much in energy. I felt extreme energy in me (without any reason). I was dumb struck.i got water in my eyes.i can still feel a shivering not of fear but of something xtra ordinary.it was brilliant & still is. The only word from my mouth in shaken voice came out after getting normal was - " waheguru,waheguru,dhan dhan guru gobind singh sahib " every inch of it is true. It was just about half an hour ago. No words for the feeling which i am still feeling.that thing was extreme.i never share things so easily on net but this time i am.the feeling cant be described.no joking.plz forgive this lowly person for any wrong thing. I swear to god, i felt it...i seriously felt it. Oh! Waheguru ji! Bhul chuk muaf! Sri akal sahai!

I have no idea which surrey jagsaw is talking about. There is no ghetto anywhere. There are no public housing 'projects' like you have in US and neither are there any council estate or high risers like you have all over UK ! Any welfare funded families and communities are integrated amongst the rest of us.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5r8rDeSf1jU

Jagsaws agenda is to cover up tundeh grooming by talking bout gangsters in canada

This is the kind of protection we can expect besides Bapu Surat SIngh's family have been arrested and threatened and Surinder Singh of talking Punjab has also been arrested ...this is the mark of a protective state ...protective of its agenda ...to push Sikhs to extinction .. or rebellion

Sorry veereh, this is my tutti footi english....and I m uk born..so extra embaresment..lol

It would be very sad if the alleged abuse was true... it seems so unreal but we have to keep an open mind and listen to all sides of the story It is a shame but NKJ should admit their wrong doing if true and face the consequences

I think we need to step back and let the Council do its work. there is a council?

That can always be a possibility. But not in this case because there is no pause of him speaking and going right into the wrong things he has done. Tone of voice does not change. Editing the convo with the wrong things added would be easy to detect because tone of voice would change. Mouth to mouth naam simran.....honestly i laughed when he said this. Hes been brainwashed by elders and deep down he actually believes in this non sense. slapping guys private parts is funny because it sounds like a boys club messing around. But he makes it some kind of spiritual experience....mega lol. Sikhi is very simple. He should stop ddenying it and hopefully the sangat takes on the characteristics of forgiveness as Akal Purakh will, if he accepts his wrong doing.

If you must do parchar have deeper impluse towards doing parchar yet not deep rooted/self abidance in your real self/ non dual shabad gian, then you might as well just stick to just youtube channel to do parchar, have proper full time job, don't even interact with real life parchar or sangat, because sooner or later one lets their unguarded thoughts take control and screw up (very high profile rishi manuis screwed up in the past, so never be surprised if one gets drawn to maya and screw up) either that or some crazy obnoxious vile extremely jealous individuals or group will try to entrap you..either way if parcharikh is not deep rooted in their real self or shabad gian effortlessly this will have major psychological affect on parcharik state of mind not to mention break sharda of individuals and destroy victim life. However if shabad gian fully consumes one according to guru's kirpa takes hold of one fully then through an parcharik-sat-shabad gian does parchar, then there is no worry for down falls then despite of nindaks countless attempts, there is not even worry for parcharikh if body gets burned, torn apart to pieces by nindaks, not whole world destruction infront of their eyes can affect their natural state of being- pure stillness in shabad. Regarding this case specially, i m glad victim went to police this should be encouraged yet lets see the legal outcome. Everyone should know their rights and follow legal means. Usually in these cases, chelas regardless whoever it is will try to throw victim under the bus-supress the victim but on same hand, manipulative vile nut jobs will exploit alleged victims as well to set up an entrapment open ended questions to trap high profile parcharikhs as well. Be very cautionary. Lets be neutral and wait for full investigation to be done- including trial outcome etc.

I don't even know what's going on I'm here searching for answers! I just don't want to see we as a whole jump to a conclusion without hard evidence. I feel we should all look at this with a cleared head with no bias....

Well the police are currently investigating so i guess we'll see but until then, reserve judgement. Some seeeerious allegations here...

I humbly apologize in behalf of other members if it has cause offense to you. Awal Allaah Noor Upaaya Kudrat Ke Sab Bande Ek Noor Te Sab Jag Upjaya Kaun Bhale Kaun Mande Our Guru's and saints were also very close with many muslim saints. Here is famous sakhi of one our very famous sikh saint-sant karam singh hoti mardan and muslim saint:

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Mr. Anand should be more concerned with his status in the Guru's Court. Sending a PDF to China and having hundreds of saroops printed (which, per some sources, he refused to acknowledge actually were printed) and then having them shipped in a container with no Maryada that has been clarified and no authentication of the contents is a dangerous proposal. If this is allowed, the RSS would be allowed to print "Saroops" with who knows what alteration. Think of the consequences of this case...they are severe.

This young couple sbhullar and her Gusikh husband to be should definitely marry this year (in Canada if it has to be). Is your wife also Jatt like u 1469 bro as that probably helped u with gaining ur parents consent most likely? Parents haven't found any fault with the Gursikh guy the Singhni wants to marry. Apart from the fact that he is from a certain background + society will be upset that they as parents did not enforce the idiotic hindu caste system on there daughter. Instead of being happy that the Gursikh in question clearly loves there daughter and isn't a druggie they are opposing Gurmat + Rehat because of society but I hope the father will support it but u would have had u hindu caste system supporters not been led away from the worst excesses of your pathetic beliefs by Guru Sahib. the only choice u had in life was to marry a Jatt girl from India because u are Jatt

Dear Sister, I really hope u marry this Gursikh. Even if u were my blood sister, I would be happy for u to marry a guy like u have described. Out of respect for your parents please keep trying to convince them this year but if they put society and hindu caste system ahead of there daughters happiness and future then remember that 95% of Sangat support u and will do as if u family to us. U can ignore the usual hindu caste system supporters as they dont support Gurmat or Rehat Maryada which says no sanjog can be stopped because of hindu caste system. Non-physical friendship is not paap its a blessing that u found such a good Gursikh. I am proud of u and I support u both and I know 95% of Sangat do too The choice is between Sikhi (marrying your husband to be) and the hindu caste system society supporting fools

how the heck has she let her parents down? her parents dont care about Sikhi as they believe in the anti-Sikh caste system. her husband to be is a Kesdhari and they haven't done anything before marriage except develop a friendship. admit it u support the parents because they are going against Sikhi and Gurmat and cuz of caste of course. a typical Jagsaw Jatt post. u cudn't stand it that Sikhs from different backgrounds mixing in marriage to created a unified Panth. so u resort to cheap bs + hidden insults for a young sister going thru a difficult situation when she has done no wrong.

Some people feel that if they attend diwans or make a journey to see some mahaursh...that their sins will be forgiven and that all the 'sukh' in the world will manifest. ? From what we know about washing your mind starting at amrit vela with HIS simran.... the only person that can wash your mind is the 'antarjami' (inner-knower) within you and your own efforts. Yes ,being in the company of high avastha gurmukhs... gurbani says that fragrance of sandalwood(chandan) spreads and permeates the nearby trees... But a nearby tree is there for good and associates with the chandan for much longer than a moments darshan.. Taking the long term refuge of sadh sangat is for sure going to have a more positive impact than a few moments here and there. We are manmukhs and there are also plenty of ultimate manmukhs... that repeatedly sin, do nindya, rip people off in business..etc... and they keep repeating this and then going to shrines to bathe, having darshan..etc... ....I hope you understand that this is NOT gurmat. Talking about darshan,,, the real darshan is the satguru. The satguru that is the living guru right here and right now....the SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI ! Many of us sikhs foolishly ignore this deep within our minds. Some of us attend some diwan to get some darshan and gyan from some sant ji... and in our minds we put Sri Guru saroop to one side and show internal igorance.... we do this without even realising ! Get the darshan,do ardas, plead, love the Sri Guru Granth sahib satguru saroop as often and as much as you can. Then,, if by his kirpa any more darshan are to follow of akaal purakh jyot..... then they will by his grace.

Well done Singh ji for getting it together to gather some strength. There has been some excellent contributions and advice on this thread; which I have only read today! Getting up at amrit vela is a good start.. I can't explain exactly why or how it helps but a few lines in gurbani struck me a few years ago which most of us read every day.. ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥ Fer kė agai rakẖī▫ai jiṯ ḏisai ḏarbār. So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court? ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ Muhou kė bolaṇ bolī▫ai jiṯ suṇ ḏẖare pi▫ār. What words can we speak to evoke His Love? ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ Amriṯ velā sacẖ nā▫o vadi▫ā▫ī vīcẖār. In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness. At the time that it struck me, i had not started any serious simran or bhagti. ...... I saw these lines as a simple question of '' What can I do for you, waheguru... so that I can be forever embraced in your arms?'' and Guru Nanak ji gives the answer of ''Get up at amrit vela daily so that you can start washing your mind of the days negatives and filth that have gathered in this mind'' Personally speaking, I can say that when we want to make that start... then this is one of the 1st things we should aim for. ...and read the bani followed by simran....even if it's just 10 minutes at first. Slowly, and in sehaj you will begin to notice how the simran is in fact washing your mind......You will begin to gain some better control over your own weaknesses......you will start to understand and feel the hukam....the security of waheguru everywhere within you and without....and then slowly and surely many things and events will unfold and you will gain some better gyan and start acknowledging chardikala in a natural way.