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No, they were NEVER excommunicated!!! They were the real GURSIKHS!!

In order to be excommunicated from the Panth, one has to be Amritdhari to begin with. I doubt these Jujharoo Singhs were Amritdhari (from what I've heard/read), however they did fully intend to be blessed with Amrit di daat which the jaalim sarkaar refused (same thing what the angrej sarkaar did to Shaheed Bhagat Singh). I have also read that Srimaan Baba Thakur Singh jee who was then the Mukhi of Damdami Taksal gifted them with cholay, and considering a personality like Baba jee I doubt he would even get near someone excommunicated by Sri Akal Takht Sahib jee. Please correct me if this information is incorrect.

for your information i NEVER EVER have sold a shastar in my 20 years of collecting , due to shortage of money for a seva project i had to sell quite afew to make up for the loss , even tho it was heartbreaking selling them .some shastar were sold for ALOT LESS than i bought them and some for more , they were sold on the price i think is fair on the shastar depends on how rare , value , matierals, costs , how vaartu the shashar is etc ,end of the day the money went to a better cause... p.s i dont even go to public diwans etc... nor do i ever wear any of my shastar , normally a small kamarkassa 1 hidden away nicely under a harzoori! but yeah to be real most of us are pkhand including me. but lets no stereotype everybody , i know some amazing jeevan wale singh who are some of the best shastar around... and still keep their bhagti with shakti. akaal.

*sigh* doesn't nihal have anything better to do?. All he ever seems to do is "debate" about sikhi based issues..

Just in case someone thinks, im have fun at n30 singhs expensive. That is not my intentions at all. I have just heard all of the theories about how Talwinder Singh ji is an agent or double agent. All i can say is take all your theories you came up with and apply them to Sant ji. And with these theories Sant ji is an double agent. The guys at the bottom of government agencies do find the facts in certain cases (but not all due to limited resources and barriers created by the top guys purposely). But the top guys have a whole different agenda and it all about political correctness. Especially for cases like these................what will the canadians say............thats all they think about.....their image infront of the political world. Only people who know the true story about our Gursikhs giving their lives for Sikhi are themselves, the Sikhs that were with them to the last breath, and maybe their families. The rest are just made up theories or what they heard from the the man in the suit, who just wants to go home to his family at the end of the day. Talwinder Singh Parmar stayed gupt for awhile and also stayed gupt inbetween the struggle from the Sikh media world to benefit the Sikh cause. However these gupt incidents can be used by the government to create mistrust in him and then destroy his cause for justice. The governments would have done this with Sant ji as well, but Sant ji was not gupt. He was always in the open and ready to respond to all false allegations against him. Both methods used by Sant ji and Parmar are correct. No doubt that agents could have creaped into Parmar's jatha, but that does not make Parmar double agent or agent at all. When people who are considered experts in the field of terrorism they are presented with data that is biased by their agencies. These experts can't go out and have an interview with the so called terrorist............hey buddy i know where you live.....im come and get a interview with you even though authorities are waiting to rush you once your found.............this only happens in hollywood movies and copycat bollywood films. In the real world they have to rely on what their agencies give them. And from this biased data, they are told to write books, articles, make news reports, make news video reports, etcto explain how so and so is a terrorist. In other words they have to fill in the holes as they have a reputation to protect as academics. So a naive Sikh like me comes along and says.....these Sikh fanatics are calling everyone corrupt individuals working for the government of India......im believe what this expert says. It is such thinking which shows this person does not understand for a second how a human mind works to protect its own needs. People naturally look out for their best interest (to live and have a job) when it comes down to the wire. Only a few like Parmar and other shaheeds leave their best interest behind and look out for their community and the ultimate cause. Its not an easy task to do or even think about doing. Take a look into how many studies have been conducted where humans were expected to behave rationally and morally when presented with a situation where a humans life is at danger and on the other hand they will face losing their job. And these people choose to protect their job. If you still don't believe the studies then walk into the corporate world and there are millions of cases where employers are putting their employees at risk where they can lose their life, but still employers are letting it go on because the employer thinks its not a big problem and/or it costs too much to fix.

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---beware of goats lurking around if you know what i mean.

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Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is a agent, Bhai Sukhdev Singh ji Babbar is a agent, Baba Nihal Singh ji is an agent, Bhai Beant Singh and Satwant Singh ji are agents, Sukha and Jinda are agents, and the biggest agents of them all is Bhai Amrik Singh ji and Bhai Talwinder Singh ji Parmar. There is only one Gurmukh in the 1984 genoicide of Sikhs............and that is Bibi Indira Gandhi. :stupidme: :stupidme: :stupidme: :stupidme: One of the easiest people to fool in this world are Sikhs. Just keep calling all the Gursikhs as agents, lets see how far we get as a people.................you already lost 80% of the people aged between 15 to 36 because you couldn't understand the complex dirty politics that were happening in your front yard. Lets see how high these numbers get even more.........

Bhai Talwinder Singh Parmar was no double agent Veerji. The same lies have been said about Sant Bhindranwale to discredit him that he was a double agent, but are we going to beleive this? No. Bhai Parmar was hot headed, but like most Sikhs in 84 who wouldn't be. Like him or not, but he gave his life for the Panth, he is a Shaheed, while we are living comfortably in the west with our families. It is not befitting of a Sikh to criticize a Shaheed, what have we done for the Panth? nothing! All the so called evidence and arguments that you have presented here against these Singhs have been used by the prosecution team during the trial, but in the end the defense destroyed all the prosecution's arguments and showed them to be hallow and often false. So all the arguments you are repeating here have been discredited in the court of Law.

I suggest a new harmonium! :biggrin2:

ਇਕ ਦਫ਼ਾ ਬਾਬਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਾਸ ਜੀ (ਨਗਨ ਬਾਬਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਸਂਗਰੂਰ ਵਾਲੇ) ਬਚਪਨ ਵਿਚ ਆਪਣੀ ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਕੋਲ ਚਲੇ ਗਏ, ਓਹਨਾ ਦੇ ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਪਟਿਆਲੇ ਦੇ ਕੋਲ ਇਕ ਪਿੰਡ ਵਿਚ ਵਿਆਹੇ ਹੋਏ ਸਨ. ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਹੈ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਘਰ ਓਹਨਾ ਦੀ ਮਝ ਮਰ ਗਈ, ਤੇ ਪੁਰਾਣੇ ਸਮੇਆਂ ਚ ਇਹ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਘਰ ਦਾ ਪਸ਼ੂ ਜਾ ਜਾਨਵਰ ਮਰ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਸੀ ਤਾਂ ਜਦੋਂ ਤੱਕ ਓਹਨੂ ਲਿਜਾ ਕੇ ਦੱਬ ਨਹੀਂ ਆਉਂਦੇ ਸਨ ਉਦੋਂ ਤੱਕ ਘਰ ਵਿਚ ਚੁਲ੍ਹਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਬਾਲਦੇ ਸੀ. ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਘਰ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਓਹਨਾ ਬੰਦੇਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਨੇਹਾ ਭੇਜ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਜਿਨਾਂ ਨੇ ਮਝ ਨੂੰ ਬਾਹਰ ਦੱਬ ਕੇ ਆਉਣਾ ਸੀ. ਓਧਰ ਕੁਛ ਦੇਰ ਬਾਅਦ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਭੁਖ ਲੱਗ ਆਈ ਤੇ ਓਹ ਆਪਣੇ ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਕਹਿਣ ਲੱਗੇ ਕਿ ਓਹਨਾ ਨੂੰ ਭੁਖ ਲੱਗੀ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਓਹ ਓਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਰੋਟੀ ਬਣਾ ਕੇ ਦੇਣ, ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਪਿਆਰ ਨਾਲ ਦਸਿਆ ਕਿ ਥੋੜੀ ਦੇਰ ਰੁੱਕ ਜਾਓ, ਜਦੋ ਮਝ ਨੂੰ ਘਰੋਂ ਲੈ ਜਾਣਗੇ ਫੇਰ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਰੋਟੀ ਮਿਲੇਗੀ. ਥੋੜੀ ਦੇਰ ਬਾਅਦ ਫੇਰ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਭੁਖ ਬਹੁਤ ਲੱਗੀ ਹੈ, ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਫੇਰ ਓਹੀ ਜਵਾਬ ਦੇ ਦਿਤਾ. ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਭੁਖੇ ਹੋਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਜ਼ਿਦ ਕਰਨ ਲੱਗ ਪਏ, ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਸੱਸ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਤਾਂ ਬੱਚਾ ਹੈ, ਏਹਨੂੰ ਕੀ ਪਤਾ ਘਰ ਵਿਚ ਮਝ ਮਰ ਗਈ ਹੈ ਤੂੰ ਏਹਨੂ ਰੋਟੀ ਬਣਾ ਕੇ ਦੇਦੇ. ਪਰ ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕੋਈ ਨਾ ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀ ਹੁਣੇ ਥੋੜੀ ਦੇਰ ਤੱਕ ਮਝ ਨੂੰ ਲੈ ਜਾਣਗੇ ਫੇਰ ਹੀ ਚੁਲ੍ਹਾ ਬਾਲਾਂਗੇ. ਜਦੋਂ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕਿ ਘਰ ਵਾਲੇ ਅੱਜ ਚੁਲ੍ਹਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਬਾਲ ਰਹੇ ਤਾਂ ਓਹਨਾ ਨੂੰ ਗੁੱਸਾ ਆ ਗਿਆ ਤੇ ਗੁੱਸੇ ਚ ਆਕੇ ਓਹ ਮਝ ਦੇ ਕੋਲ ਚਲੇ ਗਏ ਤੇ ਮਰੀ ਹੋਈ ਮਝ ਨੂੰ ਕਹਿਣ ਲੱਗੇ "ਅੱਜ ਤੇਰੇ ਕਰਕੇ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਖਾਣ ਨੂੰ ਰੋਟੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਿਲ ਰਹੀ ਤੂੰ ਫੇਰ ਕਿਸੇ ਦਿਨ ਮਰੀਂ, ਅੱਜ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਭੁਖ ਬਹੁਤ ਲੱਗੀ ਹੈ". ਬੱਸ ਐਨਾ ਕਹਿਣ ਦੀ ਦੇਰ ਸੀ ਮਰੀ ਹੋਈ ਮਝ ਉਠ ਕੇ ਖੜੀ ਹੋ ਗਈ. ਜਦੋਂ ਇਹ ਕੌਤਕ ਹੋਇਆ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਵੇਲੇ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਉਮਰ 6-7 ਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਸੀ. ਉਸ ਵੇਲੇ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਭੈਣ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਤੇ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਨਿਸ਼ਚਾ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਓਹਨਾ ਦਾ ਭਰਾ ਕੋਈ ਮਾਮੂਲੀ ਬੱਚਾ ਨਹੀਂ, ਕੋਈ ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਭੇਜਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਸਾਧੂ ਹੈ.

Here is a quick photoshop sketch of Bhai SURINDER Singh Sodhi, saw some old photos and thought would be nice to do something modern with these images to engage young sikhs into finding out who these people are..... sorry Bhai Surinder singh sodhi - bit dyslexic so words come out with diferent letters soemtimes - apoligies Taran

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh With the blessings of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj for the first time in the UK there will be a 25 Singh Sri Akhand Path Sahib from a larivaar saroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, for the chardi kala of the khalsa panth as per maryada given by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji Maharaj. ... With Guru Sahib's blessings the whole of the Sri Akhand Path Sahib will be recited out loud in the speaker and there will be live Internet broadcasting throughout the whole three days as well as live TV coverage. After the bhog there will be a mahan diwan in which international katha vachak's, ragi's, dhadi and kawishari jathe will attend. A benti to all the khalsa panth to please attend this smagam bringing all family and friend's with you thank you. Jatha's attending the smagam are as follows: Giani Balbir Singh Ji 'DDT' Giani Satnam Singh Ji 'Jogewale' Bhai Sukhraj Singh Ji 'DDT Leeds' Giani Gurjinder Singh Ji 'DDT' Ragi Gurmej Singh Ji 'DDT' Ragi Sukhjinder Singh Ji 'Birmingham' Bhai Kewal Singh Ji 'Mehta' kawishari jatha Jagowale Jatha at Gurdwara Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Britannia Street Tividale, Birmingham B69 2PG pls see poster for more details Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!!!!!!!

correct me if your saying that..kabeer sahib is stuck in karam khand? even after achieving the avastha of? jo bolath hai mrig meen pa(n)khaeroo s bin har jaapath hai nehee hor ||3|| Whatever the deer, the fish and the birds sing, they chant to the Lord, and no other. ||3|| when the sidhs asked sri guru nanak dev jee maharaj wat their shakti was, their path was.. they didnt say sarbloh bhandeh, they said: hau japiyaa parmesaro bhau bhagath sang tharhee layee lost the plot ,too many people going on a hype questioning EVERYONE, not worrying about themselves. big difference between jeevan of guru ke sikhs and osho. the highest sikhi -the sikhi of guru nanak is practised by a brahmgiani. they only become brahmgiani through kirpa of guru nanak dev jee.. all our attempts are just to get the kirpa of guru nanak dev jee maharaj. ideally we shud all do everything maharaj has said, realistically who can? Maharaj themselves. Mahapurkhs that are guru ke sikh have spent countless janams 'impressing' maharaj to get this stage..and yu think guru nanak wouldnt let them into sachkhand? to say that everyones stuck in karamkhand and theres some secret people who followed every bachan of guru sahib is ridiculous. look up karam siddhant, once a person reaches brahmgian karams cease to affect them. mahapurkh pursue rehat for their prem of gursikhi, of the bachan of guru sahib and to teach us...however even if they dont it doesnt matter because they've reached the destination, the passport/criminal record haha doesnt matter anymore. at that stage: eaekaa bakhas fir bahur n bulaavai ||3|| He forgives, once and for all, and never asks for one's account again. ||3|| once maharaj forgives yu, gives their bakshish.. yur notsubejct to lekha jokha.. to get that bakshish how ever much ability maharaj gives us, we all try to impress them by listening and adhering to as much of rehat maryada, gursikhi de sidhant as we can. no one but satguru sahib jee is perfect..but once their bakshish happens then all else ceases and nothing really matters.

Very interesting. first time i ever heard this. thanks. Do you know the history of this? why 25 and how long back is this go? thanks

there is a 7 set series of books called Sikh History, it is published by Hemkunt Press, it is in very simple language as it is aimed at age group 8-14 ish, but they are very very informative. if he/she needs something easy going then something like this.

sarangi.info is a website dedicated to the Sarangi, and it has amazing pieces of Raag played by talented sarangi players. I would request everyobody to go to this site and listen to those raags in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and listen to the beauty of the Raags that Waheguru Akal Purakh chose His Beautiful words to be sung in. chatanga www.sarangi.info

i am reviving this thread, as it has some amazing pics of a fort of Sardar hari Singh Nalwa. This is for all the recent cyber sangat to enjoy. And to think about how to restore it as well. I have seen the previre of the film of Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa ontv, and it seems amazing. films like this will deffo be goood for parchar. we should have done this ages ago.

I vote Consciousness to be jathedar in the panth so that he can make 2012 Sikh Rehit Maryada..!!

they were not excommunicated in any way, as they are now honoured as National Shaheeds by Sri Akal Takht Sahib. they both wanted to take Amrit, but beiman hind sarkar, denied them this, to make them feel that their life purpose was still unfulfilled, but Baba Thakur Singh Ji while gifting them cholay, told them that they would recieve Khande ki pahul from 10th Guru's pavitar hands themselves.

On now on so called BBC (BORING BROADCASTING CORPARTION) Its bout meat and alchol being served in a Sikh community centre. Some clown MP Ram Prakash Labour Scum is now on saying they are extrimest who protested.

I find it is impractical for me too, but that doesn't mean it won't work for someone else. As a girl though, I don't go out of my way to talk to Singhs, and I would expect that most Singhs wouldn't go out of their way to talk to their 'sisters'. This is what is meant by Bhai Harnam Singh, if contact isn't necessary, it the chitchat is trivial, then why bother with it? There's also two ways of looking at the avoidance issue. Firstly, you can confront the 5 chor and fight them that way, although personally, that wouldn't work for me as more times than not, I would fail that task (e.g. moh is something that is a very big problem for me on a personal level, but I can't really avoid my family lol). Secondly, you could try avoid them at first, and build up your jeevan until you get to a point where exposure has little to no effect on you. If Sikhs are meant to partake in the world, why do most Gursikhs discourage watching movies/listening to music? Because it promotes the 5 chor, and thus discouraging that behaviour is pretty much saying 'avoid that which will attract you to dust'. Avoiding eye contact is the same thing, albeit a different approach.

i feel its impractical for me, if a sant does something i dont really care i look to gurbani to guide me. Bani says to control your 5 chor with simran and talk to women as your sisters. Would i look my sister in the eye when i talk to her? yes so this denotes i should do the same. In fact what Harnam singh is actually doing is avoiding a situation where he has kaam but what happens if he comes across a women and meets her eye, this is not controlling but avoidance. Sikhs are meant to partake in the world not hide away

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Our old granths and ithihas is all in poetry. At first I did not know anything about poetry, but If one reads our old granths, the poetry can rub off on you and can make the biggest moorakhs(like me) into poets. By the way, I hope I did not offend you, that was not my intention. But reading your post, the poetry just came out.

Even though your poems accuses me of doing nindya/adharmi karam or doing badnami of sikh which i never intended to... I only wish to state truth nothing but truth how painful it might be for everyone to fathom as guru never hide the wrong doings of sikh to avoid further consequences or negative press ..for satguru gobind singh maharaj its all sam dristhi..its same dristh/rules for all humanity. Despite of all accusations against me and despite of all that, i really like your poem style..!! its lovely man where did you learn it?..let me guess ? soraj parkash??.!! :D :D

Its a personal thing. However you feel your best connected. Or how you want to show your devotion to your Guru Sahib... Some matha tekh n walk backwards before sitting down so they dont put their back towards Guru Sahib. Some do a parikarma... My cousins grandma used to do a 'soorya namaskar' (i think thats what its called). She would lay flat on her face with arms stretched out, hands meeting before Guru Sahib. As kids we used to laugh coz it seemed so odd but that was just her sharda. And for those who laughed and mocked her, she was willing to put up with that. Hope you understand what im getting at lol. Pul chuk maaf ji

N30 Singh Veerji again with this? those planes were downed by the GOI in order to tarnish the image of the Sikhs. We already have 2 SIkhs found NOT GUILTY yet they are still hounded by Sikhs like you. As for Inderjit Rayat, the man just himself admitted to man slaughter charges because his lawyer and prosecution came to a deal that if he admits to this he will be out soon. He took the easy way out instead of spending another few decades in jail fighting this case he thought okay I will admit to these charges and get out soon. People on the inside generally know of this, yet you are still making him like he is the mastermind behind all of this. Common veerji, it's one thing if we have congressi Sikhs or paid media people spreading lies and tarnishing the image of Sikhs, but it's really unfortunate when we have Singhs like you doing it just out of stubbornness(zidh). No Sikhs supports the downing of those planes, even Jhujaaroo Singhs of that times condemned this action. Yet why are you going out of your way to say no it is Sikhs who did this for no reason, what will Sikhs in Canada gain by your Zidh? ਥੋੜਾ ਸੋਚ ਸਮਝ ਕੇ ਗੱਲ ਕਰੀ ਦੀ ਹੈ ਵੀਰ ਜੀ

Gurfateh Sangat ji... Im going to India soon and i want to do the seva of carrying SGGSJ on the palki sahib (there's some thing that like 6 guys hold on there shoulder dont know the name) and someone told me i have to inform the sevadaars there does anyone have any information on this? Or if someone has done this great seva please tell ur experiences Gurfateh

N30S1NGH veerji After 9/11 there were thousands of Americans who were out on the streets and spoke out on national television channels openly demanding that the US bomb and wipe out all Muslim countries. If you think the gorey won't understand such sentiments, I am sorry but you are wrong. Given the kind of scenario Sikhs were experiencing back then is comparable to what the West felt on 9/11. The "call for blood" is only human nature (although not totally human). Where were these gorey when the army and Punjab police were wiping out an entire generation of Sikhs in Punjab? How many of them came forward and stood by our side (except a few of them)? They can't even differentiate between us and Muslims, so its our job to educate them not only about Sikhi (and how its different from Islam) but also on how much Sikhs have had to suffer in India. Its one thing if you don't believe in Sikhs "qualify" to have their own nation, its one thing if you believe that those Singhs who some call "shaheed" are "terrorist", but lets not modify our attitudes only to please someone else who doesn't care about us (like Indian government) or those who don't know and/or don't care to know about us (many *but not all* gorey).

You can talk about it, or you can experience it. I haven't experienced it myself, but I'm assuming there's no A, B, C to it, and no step by step routine....just something one automatically experiences once their kamaai or bhagti has reached a certain level? In other words, jado Maharaj di kirpaa hoyee, udho aapeyi patha lag jaana how rom rom rom simran happens! Correct me if I'm wrong please.

:respect: :respect: :blush2: :blush2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: waheguru waheguru waheguru

My all time favourite - Bhai Gopal Singh Jee Raagi. & Assa Jee Dee Vaar by Bhai Surinder Singh Jee Jodhpuri.

carrying any saroop of guru granth sahib is a privilege

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhrLA6dND9k Enjoy !!!!!!!!!!! :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2:

There is only God and no other. The word Satguru is a synonym for God. So if there is only God find out who 'you' are that thinks that they are separate from God. Then you'll find out that there was never any getting to God because there never was a you. Find out who is seeking. Who are you?

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਾਲ || ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦ || ਚੋਪਈ || ਰਾਮਮਚੰਦ ਇਹ ਜਿਨੈ ਬਖਾਨੈ || ਸਿਵ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਇਹ ਜਾਹਿੰ ਪਰਮਾਨੈ || ਤੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਾਲ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ || ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਕਰ ਬਹੁਰ ਸਵਾਰੇ || ਕੇਤੇ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਅਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾ || ਕੇਤੇ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨ ਸਿਵ ਬਿਸਨਾ || ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਇਹ ਕਵਣ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ || ਪਾਣੀ ਭਰਤ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਦਵਾਰੇ ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਸਭ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਇਹ ਭਏ || ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਕਾਲੋ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਗਏ || ਕਾਲਹਿ ਪਾਇ ਬਹੁਰ ਅਵਤਰ ਹੈਂ || ਕਾਲਹਿ ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਸੰਘਰ ਹੈਂ || ਜੋ ਤੁਮ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਠਹਿਰਾਏ || ਤੇ ਸਭ ਦੰਡ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਘਾਏ || ਕਾਲ ਦੰਡ ਬਿਨ ਬਚਾ ਨ ਕੋਊ || ਸਿਵ ਬਰਿੰਚ ਬਿਸਨਿੰਦ੍ਰਨ ਜੋਊ || ਜੈਸ ਜੂਨਿ ਇਕ ਦੈਂਤ ਬਖਨਿਯਤ || ਤੈਸ ਜੂਨਿ ਇਕ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਜਨਿਅਤ || ਜੈਸੇ ਹਿੰਦੂਆ ਨੋ ਤੁਰਕਾਨਾ || ਸਬਹਿਨ ਸੀਸ ਕਾਲ ਜਰਵਾਨਾ || ਕਬਹੂੰ ਦੈਂਤ ਦੇਵਤਨ ਮਾਰੇਂ|| ਕਬਹੂੰ ਦੈਂਤਨ ਦੇਵ ਸੰਘਾਰੈ || ਦੇਵ ਦੈਂਤ ਜਿਨ ਦੋਊ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ || ਵਹੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ਹਮਾਰੇ || Could anyone please translate it in English Language?

Punjabistan, Sikhistan, Khalsastan. As long as it is NOT India I don't mind. Fascist India out of Punjab.

For Dharam Yudh alot of Bir Rass and protection is needed hence why he used to read it so much, but for those of us who are not in Jang should only read it once a day max. If you have a problem reading this Bani once a day will solve it. If you have some sort of struggle reading this Bani once a day will sort it. Basically any sort of problem this Bani will help you in the world. But the main reason I feel is if you want to become fearless then you should read this Bani at least once a day.

Sodhi Harbhajan Singh wrote a book called “Bhajan Bandagi da Pratap”. In this book he has narrated a very interesting and funny story of an atheist who used to challenge the existence of God. Gurbani says that Vaheguru ensures that everyone gets food or Rozee but this person used to say that there is no God and if a person does not work for food, food won’t come to him. At one point this atheist person must have had a debate with a Gursikh who believed that Vaheguru provides food no matter where one is. Gurbani clearly says: ਸਲੋਕ ਮ: 2 ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਤਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਤਿਸ ਹੀ ਹੇਇ ॥ ਜਲ ਮਹਿ ਜੰਤ ਉਪਾਇਅਨੁ ਤਿਨਾ ਭਿ ਰੋਜੀ ਦੇਇ ॥ ਓਥੈ ਹਟੁ ਨ ਚਲਈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਕਿਰਸ ਕਰੇਇ ॥ ਸਉਦਾ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਲਏ ਨ ਦੇਇ ॥ ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਆਹਾਰੁ ਜੀਅ ਖਾਣਾ ਏਹੁ ਕਰੇਇ ॥ ਵਿਚਿ ਉਪਾਏ ਸਾਇਰਾ ਤਿਨਾ ਭਿ ਸਾਰ ਕਰੇਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਤ ਕਰਹੁ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਤਿਸ ਹੀ ਹੇਇ ॥1॥ Guru Sahib is saying, do not worry, all the worry (to run the world) is with Vaheguru. He creates creatures in water, and provides food to them too. There are no shops in water and no one does farming there. No one buys or sells merchandise there. Over there, creatures are the food of other creatures. He creates creatures in oceans, and provides food to them too. So don’t worry, all the worry is with Vaheguru. This atheist wanted to prove Gurbani wrong and decided to prove that there is no God. He said that God would not put food in his mouth. He decided to hide in such place where Vaheguru would not be able to provide him food. He thought of many places but settled to go deep in forest and hide over there. He went deep into forest and sat there under a tree. Then he thought that if a traveler saw him sitting here, he could offer him food. Thinking this he climbed a tree, and sat on top of a branch. Now he was very satisfied, thinking that there is no way God could provide him food here because no traveler could spot him sitting on the tree. After a little while, some thieves came and decided to sit under that tree. They thought that before travelling further, why not eat some food. They opened their lunch boxes and were about to eat their food when they heard some people coming their way. The thieves thought they were being followed by the villagers from whom they had stolen money. They left the food there and fled. The villagers too went after them and did not notice the food under the tree. Now the atheist was very upset because God had indeed provided food to him, even at such a remote place. He still stayed adamant and thought that if God is there, then he must put this food in his mouth. He was happy after deciding this because he thought that there was no way, God could put this food in his mouth. He thought he was going to win and prove that there is no God. As he was thinking along these lines, he noticed some more people coming his way. Actually these people who were coming towards him were thieves too. They came under the tree and saw food there. They were very surprised to see food there. They thought that there must be someone hiding around there. They looked around and saw the atheist sitting on a branch of the tree. They told him to come down but he refused. Now the thieves thought that this person had added poison to the food hoping that whoever eats it would die and he would steal his or her possessions. The thieves got very upset. One of them climbed up the tree and started beating up the atheist. The atheist was pulled down and badly beaten by the thieves. Then they forced him to eat food but he refused to eat it. He did not want God to win. At this they forced open his mouth and put food in his mouth. When food had been forced into the atheist, he cried out loud, “There is a God; there is a God who feeds even the ungrateful like me.” The moral of the story is that God is there, he provides food to everyone and we should never mess with him.

Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh One time a Sikh had a very strong longing to see the holy charan kamal of Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj. He had heard many stories and praises of the beauty of Guru Sahib from all the people in his village but such were his karams that Guru Sahib hadn't blessed him with darshan yet. One day while the Sikh was in an extreme state of vairaag he was told by a passer that the King of kings, the Saint of saints, Satguru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj was going to pass through Orissa (which is where this Sikh lived) during the next few days. Suddenly the Sikh's heart lit up as he waited impatiently to see Nirankar. Finally the day arrived. So overpowered by the beauty of Maharaj the Sikh, placed his head on the floor and tears of joy began to form a stream of love. The Sikh sat at the feet of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji and listened with complete focus to Dhurkibani. After spending a few days with the sangat Maharaj then indicated that he intended to visit other villages/cities. When Maharaj was about to go the Sikh fell to his knees, began to shed tears again and did a profound ardas begging Guru Sahib to stay with him always. Maharaj looked at his beloved Sikh, picked him up, held him and said, “My beloved, I am much more than this temporary vessel. If you love me then love my shahbad, love my gurmantar and my mool mantar it is that that is my true form. If you fall in love with that form I promise I will never leave you as I will come and reside in your heart and soul forever.” Loose translation from katha based on the sakhi recorded by Bhai Mani Singh Ji in Sikhan di Bhagat Mal Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh

WOW !!!!!

Gurfateh Sangat Jeo, As motorcyclewale Veerji said Sant Ji gave this speech on 20th Sep, 1983 at Diwan Hall, Manji Sahib. Here is complete transcript of the speech: The comment about 'killing 5000 hindus' was not made to provoke attacks against Hindus. Sant Ji were merely replying to an earlier comment made by Indira, something on the lines of 'Sikhs are only handful in number, and when the time comes it would no problem to 'control' them'. What Sant Ji were implying was that Sikhs do not provoke violence against anyone, but if continuous attacks against them are launched again and again, both phsycially and verbally, then Sikhs wont sit quiet. Read/listen to Sant Ji's explanation as to why he used these words: Sant Ji: "Why was the word 'Hindu' used? I do not have any animosity against Hindus. If that was the case then I would not have rescued Hindu's daughter from Jalalabad. Hindu Hukam Chand's daughter was forcefully abducted by a Hindu youth. He (Hukam Chand) came on the stage and screamed and wept in front of a gathering of 10 thousand, and said: "Sant Ji, you are sevadar of Damdami Taksaal. In puratan times Sikhs would rescue abducted Hindu girls. A hindu has abducted my young daughter...". If I had any bias in my heart, Id have said to him, "Get off the stage and tell this to Hindus." But no, because a Sikh's duty is: Nanak Naam Chardi Kalaa, Tere Bhaane Sarbat Da Bhalaa I followed this very principle. I was speaking on stage at 12:00 noon, at Jalalabad, near Fazilka. I said to him, your daughter will come back home before 5pm, but only if what you said is true, and that there is no other reason. And, Mahinder Singh Sayeean Wale was given this duty by daas..., Khalsa Ji, the girl was rescued and sent to that Hindu's home at 4:45pm. There is one shopkeeper named Kailash Chander nearby, his shop had caught fire. Shopkeeper's Union enticed him to name Bhindranwala behind the arson, but he did not. Two Sikhs, and one Hindu, 3 of them came to see me in my room. He started crying. I said, "What is the matter? Why are you crying?" He said, "Ji, my shop has been burnt." I said, "Ask what you want." He said, "If you could give me 100 rupees, that will give me a reason to ask for donations." He was given 500 rupees. A copy of Ramayan caught fire in Kapurthala, the leader of that place was given 5 thousand rupees by Damdami Taksaal. Two hindus got Shaheed on 4th in the 'Raah Roko' work. 10 thousand rupees were given by Akali Dal and Shromani Committee. Then, why do they (Indira, press) say I cause divisions?" Therefore, as Veers above rightly said please listen/read the whole speech and you shall find the real reason behind this misquote. Dhanvaad!

I remember hearing in katha that when Indira Gandhi came to the darbar most of the sangat stood up. Sant jee was doing katha at that time and said, (I'm paraphrasing) "Khalsa jee, you are sitting in presence of kings of kings and yet when this lady worth 2 pennies came in you stood up!" Now that's what called being nirhbau (fearless). Dhan guru payarey! I want to hear him say it as well, hopefully there is a recording out there.

i looked at the title page in my pothi, it says nitnem, das granthi, ate hor banhiyaa, so yeah, its like a super das granthi i guess, haha

Wjkk Wjkf Ji The Dass Granthi Ive got has got Bachittar Natak in it as well..

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! This Shabad is by Guru Raam Daas Ji in Raag Gauree on Pannaa 305 mÚ 4 ] gur siqgur kw jo isKu AKwey su Blky auiT hir nwmu iDAwvY ] audmu kry Blky prBwqI iesnwnu kry AMimRq sir nwvY ] aupdyis gurU hir hir jpu jwpY siB iklivK pwp doK lih jwvY ] iPir cVY idvsu gurbwxI gwvY bhidAw auTidAw hir nwmu iDAwvY ] jo swis igrwis iDAwey myrw hir hir so gurisKu gurU min BwvY ] ijs no dieAwlu hovY myrw suAwmI iqsu gurisK gurU aupdysu suxwvY ] jnu nwnku DUiV mMgY iqsu gurisK kI jo Awip jpY Avrh nwmu jpwvY ]2] Fourth Mehl: One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name. Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar. Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased. Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name. One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind. That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed. Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naa m, and inspires others to chant it. ||2|| vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!