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  1. Jai guru sahib di beadbi ho rahi hai te puri dunia wich ek we singh jeunda hai oh uss paap wich unna hi hisse dar hai jina baki sarre. Main taan ji bahar betha Akal takth nu kuch karna chahida jai main india hunda ek we nahi chadna see akali dal karva rahi hai congress da hath hai SGPC toon kuch nahi hona GOI de agent hai Main kar ki sakda Rab appe sajja dayega Jo karega oh bharega Eh saab bhane hai hor kuch nahi ... Main we te appan sarre jai guru de sikh khande han te beadbi hon de bad we jeunde han ... sarre beadbi wich brabre de haak dar han ... Dhan hai oh sikh jo ghato ghat jagga te taan ponchde ... baki sare bhane baaj aa ... te bhane we sirf appne app nu honsla deen layi ke jai beadbi hoyi hai wich mera koi kassor nahi ... Gussa saab nu ayyea par jisde akh wich athru we ayyea beadbi diyan khabran sun ke ... Farak sirf ussnu peya hor kissi nu nahi ... maan te chaut sirf usde waji ...
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  2. Only Waheguru knows the end of the world. No man, woman can even know the times. Speculation is all that we can do.
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  3. SANT DHADRIANWALE ANNOUNCES SOLUTION: STRICT ACTION MUST BE TAKEN TO STOP BEADBI – SRI AKAL TAKHT SAHIB NEEDS TO ISSUE HUKAMNAMA 21st September 2011 In the most unfortunate circumstances, persistent Beadbi (sacrilege) of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj continues to happen in villages and towns around India by various anti-Sikh miscreants. Be it the recent Beadbi of throwing 5 Saroops of Guru Sahib Ji down a well in Udhampur Nallan with bottles of alcohol and rubbish, or the burning of a Saroop in Uttar Pradesh. In the meanwhile, as a consequence, Panthic discussions across the world carry on in the hope to find solutions and take action to prevent any future incidents of sacrilege. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is the only living and eternal Guru of the Sikhs. While those with love for the Khalsa Panth cannot sleep as Beadbi takes place, regrettably, the reality remains there is very little action the common Sikh with ‘Panthic Dharad’ around the world can take. The Sikh Nations Mahaan Parchaarak Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Dhadrianwale has not only condemned this intolerable Beadbi, but outlined the most rational and only solution the Sikhs have for the long-term, in the current state of affairs, in order to prevent any further incidents of sacrilege from happening to Guru Sahib Ji in India. Furthermore, the solution proposed has been put into action immediately after its announcement. In what should be a joint-effort by every Sikh, Gurdwara Committee and Jathebandhi across the world (and not just in India), Sant Dhadrianwale have announced and initiated a Panthic lobby to influence the Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib to issue and implement a Hukamnama that will once and for all clarify the solution to this problem. This plan of action was suggested and launched on Wednesday 14th September 2011 at Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara, Sedgley Street, Wolverhampton during the last Diwaan of Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji’s 2011 UK Visit for Gurmat Parchaar, which was attended by thousands of Sikhs across the UK and broadcast live on television that was watched by millions across Europe (and around the world on the internet). It would be a huge and almost impossible task for any individual Panthic Jathebandhi in India to make arrangements for the security of each and every Gurdwara Sahib nationwide, where in many cases there are 4-5 Gurdwara’s in a village and thousands of villages across the states of India. Sant Dhadrianwale have suggested that instead, a Hukamnama issued from Sri Akal Takht Sahib should make clear that in whichever city, town or village, in whichever Gurdwara Sahib a Saroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is present, then the responsibility for the safety of Guru Sahib Ji should lie with the village ‘Panchayat’ and/or Gurdwara committee. If any Beadbi occurs, then the Panchayat and committee will be responsible and they will be summoned by the Panth to explain why Beadbi has occurred. Guarding of the Gurdwara Sahib and the security of Guru Sahib Ji within each village and city would need to be arranged, even if the village Panchayat and committee arrange it on a payroll basis. At present, almost every village of Punjab has security arranged each night to prevent foul behaviour, theft of buffaloes etc. If there are two exits to the village, both are guarded by a number of local village residents who work on a rota basis. Any cars passing through the village at night are stopped by these guards to ensure there is no unusual activity. Sant Dhadrianwale have said that if villages can be guarded in such a way, then members of each village can also guard the Gurdwara’s as well. Once this Hukamnama is issued, then members of the SGPC would need to visit each and every Gurdwara Sahib, one by one, to make sure it has been put into operation and 10-15 people are guarding the locality of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. Sant Dhadrianwale said it would need to be stated and made clear that if local Sangat, Panchayats or Gurdwara Committees are not able to arrange the security for and uphold the Satkaar of Guru Sahib Ji, then the sacred Saroop should be with Sri Akal Takht Sahib without delay. Where Satkaar cannot be upheld and systems to prevent Beadbi from occurring cannot be put in place, then the King of Kings Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj should not have to reside at such places. Sant Dhadrianwale said that when Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji (as Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib) had issued the Hukamnama that no Saroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj should go to Marriage Palaces, that particular Beadbi ceased in India because people fear the supreme edicts of Sri Akal Takht Sahib and will obey them, be it from the inside or as show from the outside. When village Panchayats and Gurdwara Committees know they will be accountable to Sri Akal Takht Sahib if Beadbi occurs, then fortification around the locality of Guru Sahib Ji will certainly take place. The SGPC workers would quickly be able to visit Gurdwara’s in their areas to ensure this is in place at every location where Guru Sahib Ji is present. Sant Dhadrianwale said we can keep discussing and wasting time while further Beadbi could occur at any time, but action needs to be taken and this would be the most fast, immediate and only solution to this problem. In the current times, there would be no other practical solution. Sant Dhadrianwale have said these cases of Beadbi have turned into a play and joke for the anti-Sikh miscreants who orchestrate them. The Satkaar of Guru Sahib Ji is every Sikhs responsibility. Sant Dhadrianwale, at their last UK Gurmat Diwaan when suggesting this plan of action, made a humble request to all Sikhs, Gurdwara Committees and Panthic Organisations (who have done and continue to do a massive amount of selfless service for the Khalsa Panth) throughout the UK and Europe to send letters to the Sri Akal Takht Sahib Ji Jathedar and put pressure on him to issue and implement such a Hukamnama. Sant Dhadrianwale said upon their return to Punjab, starting at the Sangrand Diwaan at Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Sahib, they would be announcing this plan of action on every stage during their continuous Gurmat and Amrit Parchaar Diwaans across India in order to ensure this Hukamnama is issued as soon as possible over the coming few months. After this announcement by Sant Dhadrianwale on 14th September 2011 in the UK, it has now officially been put into action in India and launched during the 17th September 2011 Sangarand Samagam from Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Sahib at which around 70,000 people were in attendance. An appeal has been made to every Panthic organisation in India and around the world to write to the Akal Takht Jathedar in their own capacity and support the release of such a Hukamnama. During the Sangrand Samagam, Sant Dhadrianwale have made it clear that the Sikh nation will never sit down and tolerate such Beadbi. They said strict action must be taken to stop Beadbi of Guru Sahib Ji from happening in the future. It must be noted that Sant Dhadrianwale has no link with the Sant Samaj in its alliance with the Akali Dal and neither have Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji got involved in any discussions with any of the political parties of Punjab to benefit from any such alliance in the SGPC elections. Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Dhadrianwale continue independently in their primary mission of Gurmat Parchaar and Amrit Sanchaar to the Sikh masses. Also listen to following Diwaan (Wednesday 14th September 2011, Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara, Sedgley Street, Wolverhampton): (In particular, see from 1:17:00 to 1:23:30 for some info about this news item)
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  4. It's AmaSingh! Can't wait till it comes out. Hopefully it's historically accurate and portrays the struggle Sikhs have had for humanity in an accurate light.
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  5. Gurdwara khel sahib is not even 2 kms from my house .... and its not a kind of small town or village thing where there are not even a single seva dar in gurdwara ... atleast 7 - 8 people are in this gurdwara all the time ... and also the neighbors ... there are a lot of sikh shops near and adjacent to gurdwara ... the evening attendance is over 50 people everyday. There is no chance of some one going in and doing beadbi. In all the cases it was empty gurdwaras. And out of this blame game and everyone trying to take most of these beadbis and use it (which is the most shameful thing) be it akali dal ... anti akali dal ... sant samaj anti sant samaj or anyone even posters on this forum. Most of which start typing just reading the title. If some dont even have time to read the news then what else to say. The solution was already given in rehat namas ie 5 sikhs in guru sahibs hazzuri all the time. Think about it. Or just ignore it and keep the blame game up on tv news and forums.
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  6. If that is true then Manmohan Singh could indeed be a 100% sell-out and agent of India/Sarna. No doubt this rumour which has been floating around in UK Sikh circles for years could be true! I have also heard rumours that Dadu Sahib Wala Baljit Singh is very close with Sarna and is in regular contact with him - do you have any info about this?
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  7. Good suggestion Pyara in your final para above. Sometimes what may seem like blatant incompetence may actually be the best and sincere efforts of our elders, simply due to the resources they know how to utilize. If we want to change things, we have to grab the bull by it's horns. I genuinely believe that naujawaan too easily walk away when the going gets a bit tough. If the elders mentioned have let us down in the past, it's up to us naujawaan to create the next generation of leaders, which can work collaboratively with the elders, but in the direction we want.
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  8. We've probably got more effective communication on this thread about what's been happening in the background regarding the Dasaar issue than anywhere else in the last 6 months. We need to make sure there are no "chinese walls" in our community which gives rise to the misunderstandings that have materialised over the last few days. And if SCUK are having an AGM on 1 October 2011, a suggestion that all naujwaan now attend and represent themselves at this AGM. It's time for all the passion/energy/skills to be utilised and voices to be heard. Humble benti to SCUK, please advertise this AGM and make it open to the whole sangat. All misconceptions need to be mitigated and bridges have to be established... We can't carry on with these ambiguous opinions of each other.
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  9. The fallacy is that most naujwan are good for nothing hot headed males. Without blowing trumpets, you may not realise the involvement many supposed “hot headed” branded naujwaan have already had over the last 10 years with the likes of Gill, Joga, Chehuru, Dabinderjit, Deol, Sanghera, Rai, Manmohan in the past and why they were eventually siphoned out. Don't think that 2nd Generation Sikhs have not attempted or contributed to a lot of the past campaigns but ask why they eventually lose faith, walk out due to the dirty state of our pendu politics and back biting. Sure, there have been a number of milestones (which we now appreciate and have now seen several times on sikhsangat.com, thanks Aman0001) but have they been babysteps or leaps. SFUK/SCUK genuinely need to openly recruit, encourage and empower the 2nd/3rd Generation Sikhs not just make statements of open doors which are mysteriously hard to push open. Organisations with foresight which have resource, recruitment and retention problems attempt to do something about it, not just sit back and struggle to keep afloat. Give the sangat the confidence that there is competent sincere leadership and direction so that they join. Break the great Sikh myth that our current leaders are useless.
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  10. Gurps you have written your post really well. You should see if you can get a job with SCUK, if you already haven't got one with them! With regards to D Day (Dastaar Day), this has been promoted and advertised as an event as far back as April 2011. In your post you said that Bal started this event to get one over Sangat TV because they won the ratings battle because of their coverage of the riots. Gurps when were the riots??? With regards to Jathebandian using one channel to slag off the other channel, I think it is wrong and very petty! One minute these so called Panthic leaders, including Gurmail Singh from SCUK are on Sikh Channel saying they support the event totally and next minute they are on Sangat TV saying that it is totally wrong! The only people that have made this an issue and a mess are the Panthic/ Pathetic leaders we have running our Jathebadian. As was mentioned last night on Punjab Radio, if all the Jathebadian joined to setup SCUK, then why do they keep on interfering in what the SCUK is doing? I wll tell you why - it is because they are worried that they will lose their status as being a leader!!!
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  11. Its a big shame on Sikh Council for contradicting itself. I think the Sikhs should support this event. Sangat TV was ok when GNNSJ was in control of it, now it has fallen into the control of mindless screwballs, who have no vision whatso ever, who have a habit of shouting out aloud. 90% of the people presenting on Sangat and those managing are characterless people and have a very dubious background not mentioning any names. These are the same people go back 8 months who were issuing statements against each other, calling each other traitors. I humbly request GNNSJ & Bhai Sahib Mohinder Singh Ji take control of Sangat TV before it gets even more out of control. Gurmel Singh of the Sikh Council should resign as he does not know what his doing or what statement he is issuing. Sangat TV has made a joke out of the Panth, as it did during the riots inciting people continuously. I honestly cannot believe what i've heard on Sangat TV over the last couple of nights, i'm surprised they havent recommended Upinder Randhawa for Akal Takhat Sahib Jathedar. Sikh Channel should learn the lesson of working closer with the Sikh Panth and Panthic Jathebandian and form communication ties with them. Stop Sangat TV being driven into the ground CHANGE the MANAGEMENT! Masands out of SANGAT TV!
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  12. when someone especially a Sikh in a position of leadership especially a state or country doesn't necessarily represent Sikhs only. So they have to cater to everyone that is why you see them going to mandirs and mosques or what have you. Simple answer - they don't represent Sikhs only, they represent a wide variety of people. (*not a badal supporter)
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  14. It's a sad state of affairs when all youth can do is tarnish Sevadaar singhs working tirelessly for the panth as being 'Badal da chamchae'. Like I said, after this protest is over, get off your backsides and join these organizations that are doing their best to serve the Panth, or set your own orgs up if you think the incumbents are so tainted with links to Badal. Pyara - agree that Sunday will have a galvanizing effect, but it could have been WAY better if the Jathebandiaan were on board. Remember it is these same currently being maligned Jathebandiaan and Sevadaars that organize the successful '84 rally (with the support of ALL media channels and papers).
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  15. STRAIGHT AND SIMPLE - SO any body pasing by who doesn't knows the CAUSE (or doesn't even know what a SIKH is), can GOOGLE the Keywords and find more details. "1984 SIKH GENOCIDE IN INDIA" "30,000 INNOCENT SIKHS BURNT ALIVE IN JUST 3 DAYS BY RULING GOVERNMENT" "PUTTING TYRES IN SIKHS NECK, LITTING FIRE" "BURNT THEIR HOUSES, LOOTED THEIR PROPERTIES" "NO JUSTICE SO FAR, No SINGLE POLITICIAN/OFFICER BROUGHT TO JUSTICE" "SIKHS DON't HAVE GAS & PETROL, SO THEY DON't have RIGHT TO JUSTICE"?
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